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#1-norm-fan 03-05-2022 05:14 PM

Also, there is a difference between being fired and not renewing your contract. But “fired” sounds worse so it makes sense that you use it in this situation.

#1-norm-fan 03-05-2022 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5529720)
It’s a logical conclusion you’ve arrived at but it’s not conclusive.

You know what else is a logical conclusion? Lio Rush had that exact conversation he said he had with Tony and both sides agreed to not renew his contract leading to him being taken off TV and just quietly leaving. But where’s the fun in that story?

xrodmuc316 03-05-2022 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5529721)
Absolutely. You’re free to treat speculation as fact if it fits your “Tony bad/AEW bad” bias and brush it off if it doesn’t without having to worry about journalistic integrity. Fair point.

Why did Rush suddenly praise Tony?
Why did Rush never appear on AEW again?
Why did Rush get let go?

Why did Tony go out of his way to bury a talent who was "a great wrestler, a great personality, I like her" until she made one statement about racial disparity in AEW?
Why did Tony never apologize even when other people in wrestling thought what he said was not appropriate.
Why did Tony randomly just replace Rush with Lethal without any context whatsoever?

Lethal has no backstory with Dante Martin or Team Taz, nor was he involved with the story of Dante and Lio swerving Team Taz and their contract offer. Tony Aunt Viv'ed Rush (look it up).

Swiss Ultimate 03-05-2022 05:24 PM

Xrod, just don't take an IQ test.

xrodmuc316 03-05-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5529725)
You know what else is a logical conclusion? Lio Rush had that exact conversation he said he had with Tony and both sides agreed to not renew his contract leading to him being taken off TV and just quietly leaving. But where’s the fun in that story?

So Lio Rush knew he was getting "Let Go", yet went on Twitter to state he was looking forward to continuing his work with Tony?!? Because Lio Rush suddenly decided to bite his tongue?

Fignuts 03-05-2022 05:26 PM

Space jam 2 happened!

Destor 03-05-2022 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5529730)
So Lio Rush knew he was getting fired, yet went on Twitter to state he was looking forward to continuing his work with Tony?!? Because Lio Rush suddenly decided to bite his tongue?

i think the point is that even if he made the post to pacify his boss (likely) we have nothing that establishes compulsion (irrelevant of however likely or unlikely.) its unsubstantiated conjecture

xrodmuc316 03-05-2022 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5529735)
i think the point is that even if he made the post to pacify his boss (likely) we have nothing that establishes compulsion (irrelevant of however likely or unlikely.) its unsubstantiated conjecture

Which I did concede a few times already. Besides the fact that it is such a minuscule part of the overall issue.

But apparently I can't dislike Tony Khan for being racist because I already dislike him for other reasons. So he has not actually done anything racist, I am just biased apparently.

Swiss Ultimate 03-05-2022 05:36 PM

Xrod having a meltdown over AEW diversity!

xrodmuc316 03-05-2022 05:37 PM

Here, ill fix this:

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5529657)
And yes, Lio Rush is further evidence.

1. Rush got offended and demanded a public apology from Tony (which never happened)
2. Lio then spoke with Tony Khan and issued a statement, suddenly praising Khan
3. After that Statement, he never used Lio Rush again
4. He then "Let Go" Lio Rush
5. He replaced Lio Rush's in the storyline with Jay Lethal, no explanation given, because apparently all black guys are the same in Tony's mind, interchangeable tokens.

That is not some manufactured wokeness, that all happened publicly in the aftermath of him having his meltdown over Swole.


Fignuts 03-05-2022 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5529736)
Which I did concede a few times already. Besides the fact that it is such a minuscule part of the overall issue.

But apparently I can't dislike Tony Khan for being racist because I already dislike him for other reasons. So he has not actually done anything racist, I am just biased apparently.

An employer forcing an employee to praise him on social media is not a miniscule issue

Destor 03-05-2022 05:44 PM

again id fire an employee outright if they demanded i subjugate myself to them.

Destor 03-05-2022 05:44 PM

bag in hand. have a nice life

Destor 03-05-2022 05:46 PM

kahn is a giant pussy though and cant handle confrontation...so 7 weeks later lilo realizes his job is gone because kahn lacks a spine. seems consistent with how he's handled others

#1-norm-fan 03-05-2022 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5529742)
again id fire an employee outright if they demanded i subjugate myself to them.

Yeah. Tony had a conversation with him and let him finish out his contract. If anything he loves black people TOO much.

Destor 03-05-2022 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5529745)
Yeah. Tony had a conversation with him and let him finish out his contract. If anything he loves black people TOO much.

hey if he had a talk with him then thats points for kahn

Jordan 03-05-2022 05:56 PM

Tony will stamp and growl his way right to ya, the Khanman doesn't back down he will say it to your face and say it loud! Fuck all yall suck my dick. Tony Khan has saved wrestling and he loves all races and genders, binary or not! Fuck off with that Tony Khan hate! We are a group of fans who support Tony Khan and his family! Go away!

xrodmuc316 03-05-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5529741)
An employer forcing an employee to praise him on social media is not a miniscule issue

That is not the issue I am referring to being minuscule. Do I believe that tweet was imfluenced/requested/forced/ghostwritten or whatever else we want to call it by Tony Khan, I 100% do. I conceded that yes, that act itself was not public, Fan was right 100% about that, it was conjecture. The fact that we do not have a public record of that happening is the minuscule part, because everything that followed happened. He was kept off TV and he was "Let Go". I fixed the wording, now no conjecture included, yet the conclusion remains unchanged.

Tony Khan went out of his way to bury a black wrestler who questioned disparity, then did no further business with a black wrestler who had a problem with the treatment of the previously discussed black wrestler.

Swiss Ultimate 03-05-2022 06:08 PM

Get out of here with your creepy race fetish.

Fignuts 03-05-2022 06:37 PM

I think most people agreed the way he handled Big Swole was shitty.

As far as Lio leaving, once again, we don't know why Lio left. He doesn't strike me as someone to hold his tongue, so if Tony fucked him over, I'm pretty sure we would have heard from him about it by now. Lio being a headache to work with is a known issue. So that could have factored into the departure.

As for black talent being treated fairly, no they are not booked very well. Most people aren't, regardless of skin color. Because Tony Khan is a fan who bought himself a wrestling promotion.

Is Jay Lethal replacing Lio tokenism? Maybe? Maybe Tony went " hey another black guy! Perfect!" Or maybe Jay Lethal, as a veteran more experienced than rush, who can also talk was an even better fit for the role. And he just happens to be black. Point is we don't know. So it's not fair to accuse. Unless you're so terrified of tokenism that you believe a role played by a black man can never be portrayed by another black man.

Swiss Ultimate 03-05-2022 07:14 PM

You're a fucking creep.

Mr. Nerfect 03-05-2022 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5529405)
Dives, Dadbods and Debuts live on Dynamite!

I wonder who is going to debut this week? Jeff Hardy’s no compete has to be up now, doesn’t it? He’ll probably save Matt Hardy from Andrade’s betrayal on Dynamite this week.

Mr. Nerfect 03-05-2022 09:24 PM

Oh, and Shane Strickland and maybe the rest of Hit Row at Revolution. So them, Jeff on Dynamite, then maybe Homicide, Hernandez and maybe Tony Deppen and Chris Dickinson to be Chris Jericho’s new Inner Circle in AEW the following week after Jericho refuses to put Eddie Kingston over. I’m a bit worried, because that is only 8 people.

Mr. Nerfect 03-05-2022 09:27 PM

The only question is whether Chris Jericho, Just Dickinson (Chris makes Chris change his name because it’s a no Chris’s club), LAX & Tony Deppen vs. Eddie Kingston, Santana, Ortiz, Sammy Guevara & Jake Hager Blood & Guts or Stadium Stampede?

Jordan 03-05-2022 09:55 PM

The AEW boat is so over capacity that you can start to think about an eventual sinking. We've been through WCW and know what over crowding a roster can do on multiple levels. This ROH purchase may actually be the life boat that AEW needs going forward for years down the line.

ROH has no contacts right now, maybe The Briscoes or Johnathan Gresham but that would probably be it. AEW has an entire other roster on their own roster. This is a pretty incredible deal. Hopefully they are able to get a money deal for an ROH TV show. My hope is they get onto TruTV. Tru is trying to become cooler, they don't have many big shows. ROH isn't huge at all but if the new ROH on cable could get Rampage numbers, I think that would be a comfortable start.

The thing is, will the faithful ROH audience return for the version of their beloved company? There are wrestling fans that are just ROH fans, the reach of their TV caught a lot of random people into their web. It's so exciting to see what will happen.

ron the dial 03-06-2022 01:51 AM

noid you are a f*cking maniac

weather vane 03-06-2022 04:58 AM

No shit.

weather vane 03-06-2022 04:59 AM

wait

Sepholio 03-06-2022 12:22 PM

I guess Bryan Danielson said Vince asked him why he was going to AEW and he said because he was leaving WWE because he wanted to bleed and Vince told him he wouldn't let him do that....I'm sorry but that sounds like brain damage talking to me. That sounds like someone needs to retire.

I have to leave Vince because you won't let me slice my forehead open every night with a razor blade.

Mr. Nerfect 03-06-2022 12:27 PM

AEW sucks. Sometimes the truth just needs to be confronted.

No upstart promotion has ever had more. It can’t even beat 3 hours of deliberately sterile sports entertainment even with the handicap of having an easier night on television. And its fans are in a frenzy about it being revolutionary. Lol, no. It’s bad comedy that pays way more than it makes and is a large part of why we can’t have nice things.

Mr. Nerfect 03-06-2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5530093)
I guess Bryan Danielson said Vince asked him why he was going to AEW and he said because he was leaving WWE because he wanted to bleed and Vince told him he wouldn't let him do that....I'm sorry but that sounds like brain damage talking to me. That sounds like someone needs to retire.

I have to leave Vince because you won't let me slice my forehead open every night with a razor blade.

Lol, is that true? If it is, holy shit. Wrestlers are fucking nuts.

There’s a point to blading, but the gusto that a lot of wrestlers want to go to that place, and the context they put it into, is just fucking nuts.

I think everyone knows Moxley and Danielson are going to exchange bodily fluids at Revolution. They’re going to give themselves wounds and pour another man’s blood into them. Secretly, I had hoped they would have a wrestling match instead of desperately crying for attention and approval they don’t already have.

There is a time to bleed. There is a context behind red turning to green. Daniel Bryan vs. Dean Ambrose in the second match from the top built around the story of them becoming friends isn’t it.

Mr. Nerfect 03-06-2022 12:36 PM

Fuck this company. And fuck people who drink its Kool-Aid too, for that matter. Fucking sick of the apologetics. It’s a sideshow for mutants. Put it in the trash.

xrodmuc316 03-06-2022 12:49 PM

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“I appreciate everything that they do, everything including birthday cakes for guys on their birthdays too." Jake Roberts
Tony Khan is a good boss because he buys wrestlers birthday cakes :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Mr. Nerfect 03-06-2022 12:59 PM

Jake Roberts is a scumbag and is getting paid six figures to add nothing to a product and say nice things about the rich fuck paying him. He still owes people money.

Fignuts 03-06-2022 01:20 PM

Yeah, im pretty sure the act itself of blading isnt what attracted Danielson to AEW. Rather, he was likely bored with the WWE style and wanted to engage in some of the more brutal and violent styles of matches he would sometimes have in roh, which blood often enhanced. The line "I just wanted to bleed" was just a showman making the interview more entertaining.

Evil Vito 03-06-2022 01:33 PM

Yeah I thought that was fairly obvious listening to the interview. But naturally most of the internet will read a sentence and take it out of context.

#1-norm-fan 03-06-2022 01:36 PM

Yeah, not enough ridiculous forced drama in that explanation, Figgy. Doesn’t work for me.

xrodmuc316 03-06-2022 03:11 PM

Didn't Bryan say his first night that he thought Vince was too protective of him, and that it isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he wanted more? While I think that was more about his concussion and neck issues, it certainly could be applied to blading as well. Vince hasn't liked blading for a decade+, so that is not a situation solely for Bryan's health, but it wouldn't surprise me if that conversation happened (even though it wasn't filmed for youtube or anything ;) ).

XL 03-06-2022 03:47 PM

I think Vince was adverse to blading long before that. Didn’t Flair and Savage get fined for bleeding at Mania 8? And Bret/Austin went against policy at Mania 13.

Destor 03-06-2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5530093)
I guess Bryan Danielson said Vince asked him why he was going to AEW and he said because he was leaving WWE because he wanted to bleed and Vince told him he wouldn't let him do that....I'm sorry but that sounds like brain damage talking to me. That sounds like someone needs to retire.

I have to leave Vince because you won't let me slice my forehead open every night with a razor blade.

i highly doubt this.


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