No idea who that is. Name was vaguely familiar...

This show has been pretty great to be honest.
I'm actually surprised at how seamlessly it has continued on from the films, no adjustment necessary.

I wonder if Falcon will get a chance to take the serum and refuse it so he could be Captain America without disappointing the old guy who's name I forget.

I don't think there's any left, not after what Zemo did.

There's always a vial somewhere.

Check under the couch.

Pfft, like I'd spill whether or not I found one there...:shifty:

I'm going to rewatch the whole show as soon as episode six is in the bag.
I think as far as Marvel goes they really may be onto something with their style of espionage and detective work. It's pleasantly grown of old and new, and some of it feels a lot like The Man From U.N.C.L.E

Well...that was both expected and unexpected. A nice cool down episode leading us to the final. And Walker...boof. Poor Walker.

Damn. Some powerful stuff to wrap things up. There's no way they can just end it at one season, right? :(

Also

Hot ending. I like the whole acknowledgment this show did that half the population reappearing would almost be equally disastrous to them disappearing in the first place, if not more. Now imagine this chaos universe wide. #ThanosWasRight

Also, I hear tell that a new Captain America movie has been confirmed.

Thanos wasn't right. Half the population shouldn't have been wiped out to begin with.

I do recall that Walker pocketed one of the vials after Zemo destroyed them all. I honestly thought he would end up using it so it could even out the fight against either Bucky or Carly - Or give it to his ally to try and save him.

The Carter angle semi-surprised me, especially when they showed her place. But they do seem to progressing her as a villain of the future - Perhaps in Captain America 4, though that may be too soon?

It was a really good ending though, closure for Bucky - The one thing I was disappointed for though was a lack of Chris Evans. I thought he would have made a very small cameo at the end as his olden-self just as a nod of approval.

Last point would be, the final battle took place in what looked like it was New York - Was Spiderman on vacation or something??

Walker did take the serum.

I assume Spiderman would have been on the run/in hiding.

Or in Europe?

Oh, believe me, I know the pain of people forgetting hyphens. :mad:

I'm seeing a lot of posts about the multiverse, in relationship to Spider-Man (are you happy, now?), Thor and other Marvel properties; and I can't help but think its going to turn into a giant mess.

This show is one of the best things Marvel has done so far.

Really top class.

4/4

Hoping that Sharon Carter isn't completely evil or something.... like she is deep undercover or something, playing both sides trying to take down some even bigger menace.

Or that she's a skrull.

Skrull is a good shout.

Didn't think of that.

Just watched this. i liked it well enough. Anthony Mackie again proves he's not a leading man (rip altered carbon) but there's enough going on to have a good run. US Agent was a good antagonist.

also i liked seeing Zemo in mask. Bartoc the Leaper was mediocre though

i'd prefer her heel turn to be legit on account of being abandoned by cap, living in peggy's shadow her whole life, hunted by the people she spent her life serving (we saw what that did to walker), became queen of crime out of desperation and necessity and then over time has developed a penchant for it

seems way more intriguing an arc than "lol secret alien"

agreed

that said i have nothing against secret alien arcs

Yeah, it is more interesting but..... I like my comic book heroes to still be heroes I guess... you can gender swap them, race swap them... whatever... just don't alignment swap them on me

I think Anthony Mackie is going to be a hell of a leading man when he gets a proper chance.

I think Marvel is the right place for that.

God, don't get me started on changing alignment. That's one of the things that pissed me off about the X-Men films. HOW DO YOU GET PSYLOCKE WRONG...TWICE?!?!?!

he's had chances (rip altered carbon)

what about when comic book heroes get alignment swapped in the comics, how does that sit with you

also didn't sharon canonically work as a mercenary for a while

not quite an 'alignment swap' but it's not like her doing what's necessary to survive even if it conflicts with her historic values is an unprecedented step

I don't think Sharon did anything villainous. Morally questionable maybe, but she only supported Carly at the beginning because she agreed with her cause. Once Carly started taking more extreme measures however, Sharon joined the fight to stop her.

And yeah, even in the comics, Sharon isn't a superhero. She's first and foremost a secret agent. So it fits her character that she's willing to take measures that the average hero might not be comfortable with.

i thought she fought to stop her because karli stole the serum to start using it for her own ends rather than keep serving as sharon's muscle

it's clear she killed karli to stop her from outing her, as she did batroc

so a little cold-blooded, plus the post-credits scene where she froths over getting to sell state secrets to the highest bidder

as i said, i think that she may have started down this path out of desperation and necessity, but she's not exactly not embracing it at this point

totally understand why she would be mad at the US government and its superheroes though

... especially ones that culminate in wars.

I know everyone's rooting for Sharon to be a Skrull to tie in with Secret Invasion but, I'm not seeing it. This is a logical progression for a character that was flat out abandoned by people she tried to help for 8 years. Yeah sure, 5 of those years were because half the universe got dusted but the point remains.

Also, the chaos wasn't as simple as disappearing and re-appearing. They disappeared and were just GONE for five years. People processed that. Most folks had to come to terms with the assumption that the missing that they loved were dead. They grieved. They moved on. People re-married. They got new/different jobs. They sold their homes or bought new ones. That is a whole different type of upheaval. It wouldn't have been near the same logistical or emotional nightmare if it were maybe up to a couple of weeks or so of folks being missing. How could he be right about a problem he caused?

Often the most compelling villains are the ones who see things their own way, and not just cartoonishly evil for evil's sake. Thanos was a compelling victim... well, Older Thanos, anyway, but that's a different topic in itself. Indiscriminate genocide is still genocide. He had what he thought was a legitimate point... but it wasn't. That's what made it an evil plan. And even the veil of selflessness in it wasn't true at all, because that coin flip didn't include himself. He had planned on being around live out his days smugly believing all of the remainder of known existence would be thankful to him for his deed. And the alternative before his Infinity Gauntlet plan was just physically killing half the population of planets one at a time. This was just a time saver.

I get that being sympathetic to the villain is all the rage nowadays, but this ain't it, chief.