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Simple Fan 10-16-2018 03:50 AM

Alot of people ignore the problems in the United States when they're given something like this in another country to worry about. You're being worked by the media to ignore what's really important.

GD 10-16-2018 04:10 AM

WWE's incentive is money. You can spin it however you want. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-16-2018 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend David (Post 5185057)
You're stretching a bit, TDO. Considering how informed Oliver's writing staff is, I expect a bit more.

shut the fuck up, Dave.

GD 10-16-2018 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5185172)
shut the fuck up, Dave.

Nah man, I think I've given you more time than you deserve. Calling me out for being insecure or unrealistic because some idiot on the writing staff decided to make a lazy joke about pro-wrestling being "homoerotic". You completely disregarded a legit point because of my past transgressions. You are pathetic, TDO. Also, you don't need to remind how fucked up I am. I am very aware of it.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-16-2018 08:02 AM

Pro wrestling is homo erotic. You fucking knob.

GD 10-16-2018 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5185179)
Pro wrestling is homo erotic. You fucking knob.

That is your opinion, dipshit. It's not a fact. It's about you going above and beyond to defend a pathetic attempt at humor. It's cringeworthy in 2018.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-16-2018 08:48 AM

Why are you taking me characterizing wrestling as homoerotic as an insult? It isn't an insult. It's the truth. I don't watch it because of that (OR DO I), but it's two oiled up men in their underpants, in a business largely based on aesthetics rolling around with one another. It's just like how women's beach volleyball is very sexual even though I'm sure volleyball purists watch it for the athletic display.

I just think wrestling fans get very butt hurt about these things. Why would you be offended about someone calling wrestling homoerotic? As I said, it isn't an insult. He didn't even say it as an insult. Your own preconceived notions and sensitivities left you feeling that way. Maybe you just need to get the pacifier out of your mouth and grow up.

Cool King 10-16-2018 09:20 AM

For the record, I wasn't offended by the joke.

I just thought we were past the stage of calling wrestling gay for a cheap laugh. Kinda like how we all used to call each other gay as a joke and I've been seeing it a lot on signs during my 2002 watching on the network.

There's a lot of signs with someone's name on it and then "is gay" after it but you don't get that anymore. I haven't heard a "wrestling is gay" joke for ages now and I just thought that nobody made those jokes anymore.

Cool King 10-16-2018 09:20 AM

But yeah, wrestling can be kinda gay at times.

Cool King 10-16-2018 09:22 AM

Also, I'm sure the Saudi's have paid Simple Fan.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-16-2018 09:33 AM

FTR I know you weren't offended King. I was specifically directing my lambasting towards Dave.

But in regards to what you were saying... wrestling is actually gay. It's not the same as me saying "Hey Cool King, you're gay because your mom packs your lunch". That isn't gay, that's using 'gay' as a negative and implying being gay is somehow a bad thing. And wrestling's rampant homoeroticisim is easy to laugh at because it's so latent while trying to disguise itself behind a veil of machismo-infused hetero-sexuality.

The joke itself wasn't even to highlight how gay wrestling is, it was to actually to highlight how deep in the Saudi's pockets they are.

Simple Fan 10-16-2018 09:40 AM

I wish, Im just don't think the show should be cancelled because of a dead journalist.

Cool King 10-16-2018 10:32 AM

I don't think it's because he's dead.

I think it's all got to do with the way he died. If he died because of a heart attack or something, nobody would care.

He died because the Saudi government actually went out of their way to have him killed. He was interrogated, tortured and then killed. His body was then cut up into pieces and removed from the Saudi consulate.

Saudi Arabia are trying to portray themselves as this progressive nation but progressive nations don't hunt down and kill their own people when they don't like what those people say.

That is why people want the event canceled, because the WWE are getting paid by the Saudi government to basically tell the world how great Saudi Arabia is even though it's quite clearly not because they're hunting their people down and killing them (and in this case, also breaking International Law to do so).

If the WWE do go ahead with the event, some people may see it as the WWE advocating those previously mentioned actions.

Innovator 10-16-2018 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5185190)
FTR I know you weren't offended King. I was specifically directing my lambasting towards Dave.

But in regards to what you were saying... wrestling is actually gay. It's not the same as me saying "Hey Cool King, you're gay because your mom packs your lunch". That isn't gay, that's using 'gay' as a negative and implying being gay is somehow a bad thing. And wrestling's rampant homoeroticisim is easy to laugh at because it's so latent while trying to disguise itself behind a veil of machismo-infused hetero-sexuality.

The joke itself wasn't even to highlight how gay wrestling is, it was to actually to highlight how deep in the Saudi's pockets they are.

Dudes shave their bodies, oil them up to listen, get a pump before grappling each other and trying to make the other submit to their will

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-16-2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 5185197)
Dudes shave their bodies, oil them up to listen, get a pump before grappling each other and trying to make the other submit to their will

that's just like your opinion, man.

slik 10-16-2018 02:40 PM

Vice covering #CancelCrownJewel now too


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Triple A 10-16-2018 02:48 PM

Moved the Saudi Arabia stuff to its own thread (from 101k replies) because there are a lot of posts and it is a "major topic"

GD 10-16-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5185184)
Why are you taking me characterizing wrestling as homoerotic as an insult? It isn't an insult. It's the truth. I don't watch it because of that (OR DO I), but it's two oiled up men in their underpants, in a business largely based on aesthetics rolling around with one another. It's just like how women's beach volleyball is very sexual even though I'm sure volleyball purists watch it for the athletic display.

I just think wrestling fans get very butt hurt about these things. Why would you be offended about someone calling wrestling homoerotic? As I said, it isn't an insult. He didn't even say it as an insult. Your own preconceived notions and sensitivities left you feeling that way. Maybe you just need to get the pacifier out of your mouth and grow up.

I see that you went back to middle school to fetch that insult. "Homoerotic" wasn't used as a term of endearment. The connotation was blatant. I expect a lot more from them. It was a lame attempt at humor and not something that deserves to be dignified in 2018.

#1-norm-fan 10-16-2018 04:19 PM

Gotta agree with Dave here. Regardless of how anyone took it, he clearly MEANT it as an insult. That was the whole joke. It wasn't just a passing reference to wrestling's homo-eroticism. It was "LOL Wrestling's gay! Now let's all have a laugh about it, audience!"

Now... how offended you wanna be about it is up to you. But the context was clear.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-16-2018 07:14 PM

I mean it's a joke about its latent homoerotocism, but that doesn't mean it's an insult. And tbh it was a pretty funny joke particularly as an analogy.

#1-norm-fan 10-16-2018 08:34 PM

Alright, now we’re definitely gonna disagree. He basically said “WWE likes Saudi Arabia as much it’s gay!” A 12 year old could have written that. Lol

Not gonna give him credit for saying it slightly more eloquently.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-17-2018 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5185387)
Not gonna give him credit for saying it slightly more eloquently.

It's all about the delivery and the spin and is largely why Jon Oliver is funny. You can call the material uninspired (I even called it low hanging fruit in one of my posts) but I laughed because it's pretty hilarious how gay wrestling is. Largely due to the "tough guy/ hetero" narrative it tries to portray contrasted with how absolutely over the top and "camp" it is. I mean there's only ever been Darren Young who was gay and a babyface and there was never a storyline about his bravery for coming out. Whereas every other gay character has been a predatory heel who fans booed due to their perceived "gayness".

Then on top of that, wrestling fans (not saying you) lose their shit when you call it gay.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. I wonder if LPGA fans get annoyed when people discuss its association with lesbians.

My point, is similar to literally everyone I played rugby with, we embrace the latent homoeroticism. It's one of the many things that make wrestling particularly quirky. Never mind the amount jobber squash fetish channels on Youtube.

#1-norm-fan 10-17-2018 10:49 AM

The John Cena “You can’t see me” joke after was pretty cringeworthy, too. I’m more offended by the bad comedy than anything.

Also I think you’re adding your own spin to make it funny. You know about Goldust and Darren Young and wrestling’s history of preying on gay stereotypes. I highly doubt he was going any deeper than “lol sweaty men grappling. GAYYYYY.” He was mad at WWE for being pro Saudi Arabia and needed to burn them and that was his way of doing it. By insulting it for being homoerotic. Lol

Low-hanging fruit isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Just... put a new twist on it.

#1-norm-fan 10-17-2018 10:53 AM

And I’m sure there are plenty of LPGA fans and even more golfers who get upset when someone makes a joke about it being for lesbians.

Big Vic 10-17-2018 11:05 AM

TDO called Steve Buscemi 'fucking ugly' then tried to explain to him that it wasn't an insult because it's true.

#1-norm-fan 10-17-2018 11:10 AM

:lol:

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-17-2018 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5185670)
The John Cena “You can’t see me” joke after was pretty cringeworthy, too. I’m more offended by the bad comedy than anything.

Also I think you’re adding your own spin to make it funny. You know about Goldust and Darren Young and wrestling’s history of preying on gay stereotypes. I highly doubt he was going any deeper than “lol sweaty men grappling. GAYYYYY.” He was mad at WWE for being pro Saudi Arabia and needed to burn them and that was his way of doing it. By insulting it for being homoerotic. Lol

Low-hanging fruit isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Just... put a new twist on it.

Not really. I can use specific examples because I'm a wrestling fan, but it is a form of entertainment so laden in machismo it is naturally funny to consider how homoerotic it is. That's not to say you can't display lots of machismo and be flagrantly homosexual, but our initial bias/preconception is to see the funny contrast. Like... from what I've garnered, most outsiders think "look at these big sweaty 'tough men' pretending to beat one another up, but really they just want to touch one another."

It's the same with most sports tbh.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-17-2018 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5185674)
TDO called Steve Buscemi 'fucking ugly' then tried to explain to him that it wasn't an insult because it's true.

"fucking ugly" is a negative descriptor. Homoerotic is not.

slik 10-17-2018 11:14 AM

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Ol Dirty Dastard 10-17-2018 11:16 AM

Me calling Big Vic a dumb mongoloid however is an insult, but is also the truth :cool:

Big Vic 10-17-2018 11:33 AM

Ok, beta-cuck. (Not an insult, just an observation)

Tonya Harding 10-17-2018 11:33 AM

Ok, beta-cuck. (Not an insult, just an observation)

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-17-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5185686)
Ok, beta-cuck. (Not an insult, just an observation)

Mine was better. TRY AGAIN

Big Vic 10-17-2018 11:36 AM

Do you think Boxing and UFC is homoerotic too?

Tonya Harding 10-17-2018 11:37 AM

What about Figure Skating?

Big Vic 10-17-2018 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonya Harding (Post 5185687)
That's the best insult you can come up with for me, mongoloid?

Someone is trying to frame me of being Tonya Harding

Tonya Harding 10-17-2018 11:40 AM

Stop framing me.

Big Vic 10-17-2018 11:43 AM

Sorry Slik

Tonya Harding 10-17-2018 11:44 AM

Sorry Slik

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-17-2018 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5185690)
Do you think Boxing and UFC is homoerotic too?

UFC is. Boxing not so much.


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