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What Would Kevin Do? 03-24-2013 03:04 PM

Yes, but he needs to pass the torch... And forget about Sin Cara, who is just about as injury prone as Mysterio.

I say have Hunico call out Mysterio about choosing Sin Cara as a protege over Hunico. Have a good feud over it. In the end have Mysterio fall to Hunico, respect him, etc. Maybe have Mysterio "pass the mask" onto Hunico, and Hunico can wear it (Call him Hunico Mysterio), or he could turn it down saying "Thanks, but I want to start my own legacy."

Hunico would get put over, plus then there's an easy feud with Sin Cara or Del Rio down the line.

BizarroKing 03-26-2013 12:24 PM

Off topic, but I thought I should remind everyone...Mysterio was #14 at the Rumble this year...

The Curse is real!

weather vane 03-26-2013 12:31 PM

the guy wears a shirt in the ring cause he is so out of shape...

Mr. Nerfect 03-27-2013 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 4154149)
Yes, but he needs to pass the torch... And forget about Sin Cara, who is just about as injury prone as Mysterio.

I say have Hunico call out Mysterio about choosing Sin Cara as a protege over Hunico. Have a good feud over it. In the end have Mysterio fall to Hunico, respect him, etc. Maybe have Mysterio "pass the mask" onto Hunico, and Hunico can wear it (Call him Hunico Mysterio), or he could turn it down saying "Thanks, but I want to start my own legacy."

Hunico would get put over, plus then there's an easy feud with Sin Cara or Del Rio down the line.

I fucking love Hunico. The guy is so fluid in the ring, has impressive strength for a guy his size and isn't atrocious on the mic when he isn't playing such a forced character. Have him interrupt a Rey Mysterio speech about how he doesn't have too much time left in the business and talk about how it's now time for a new Mexican legend to emerge -- the legend of Hunico.

Put Hunico over Rey Mysterio and Sin Cara cleanly and then it's a clear path to Alberto Del Rio and the World Heavyweight Championship. I'm not saying that Hunico should be World Champion, but the man could at least have a really good match with the champion over the title.

Damian Rey 03-27-2013 03:32 PM

Why not just tell the current Sin Cara to fuck off and give that mantle back to Hunico, have him start cutting promos, and build towards mask v mask with Mysterio at Mania.

Innovator 03-27-2013 03:37 PM

For his health, he probably should.

For my enjoyment of his work, fuck no.

Mr. Nerfect 03-29-2013 04:24 AM

Because the real Sin Cara is actually really good and was a massive draw in Mexico because of who he is and the character that he portrayed. The WWE just needs to explain the character better and let Sin Cara continue to feel around the WWE style.

Hunico should be given a shot, but it should be as Hunico. Cut the stereotypes and just make him a bad-ass dude who is amazing in the ring with a massive chip on his shoulder since every time he looks in the mirror he has to remember losing to Sin Cara. They should really have a career rivalry.

Mr. Nerfect 03-29-2013 04:45 AM

How does this sound as a potential scenario for Rey Mysterio and Sin Cara:

Antonio Cesaro remains United States Championship from now until SummerSlam 2013. Heading into the event, Cesaro informs us that when he retains the US Championship at the PPV, he will head into RAW the next night as US Champion for 365 days. No one can stop him. Enter Rey Mysterio. Rey points out that the US Championship is the only title he has never held in the WWE, and he wants a shot. The two fight and Cesaro ends up eating a 619. Also in the build-up, Cesaro attacks Sin Cara and kayfabe hurts Rey's protoge (if Sin Cara isn't actually hurt at the time -- zing!)

SummerSlam has the two working a pretty hot opening match with Sin Cara at ringside. Cesaro earns control of the match, but he can't put Mysterio away. Out of desperation, Cesaro grabs the US Title and takes it into the ring. As it looks like he is about to blast Mysterio with it, Sin Cara hops up on the apron and grabs the belt from Cesaro, who is frustrated long enough to turn his back on Mysterio, allowing Rey to dropkick him from behind and set-up for the 619. Rey connects with his signature move and then comes off the top with a Frog Splash (not his usual Droppin' Da Dime splash, but an Eddie tribute). Rey gets the pin and becomes only the third man to have held every active championship in the WWE.

Rey wants to defend the US Championship against his friend and ally, so the two have a match at Night of Champions which ends when Antonio Cesaro and his selected partner, Kassius Ohno, attack Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara, causing the double disqualification. Over the Limit has Rey and Sin Cara team up to face The Masters of the Universe, Cesaro & Ohno, with the heels stealing a victory there. Hell in a Cell is next, and they maybe do Cesaro vs. Sin Cara or something like that, with Ohno & Mysterio at ringside. Rey and Ohno get into a fight outside the ring, Sin Cara flies out to help Rey, but gets attacked upon re-entering the ring and is overpowered by Cesaro and loses.

Survivor Series has Mysterio & Sin Cara on one team and Cesaro & Ohno on another in a traditional SS Elimination Match. Rey and Sin Cara have a bit of a miscommunication in this match which leads to both being eliminated. This leads to another US Championship match at the December PPV, which in my perfect world would be renamed "Starrcade," but is currently TLC. Rey retains the US Title there cleanly.

Both Rey and Sin Cara participate in the Royal Rumble Match. Sin Cara perhaps has a bit of a marathon stint in there, and a fresh Mysterio comes to the ring later in the match and eliminates his new friendly rival without too much hassle at that point. Rey is later eliminated by some heel they want to look good.

Perhaps between the Royal Rumble and the Elimination Chamber PPV, Rey defeats Sin Cara to earn a spot in an Elimination Chamber of some sorts. Rey doesn't win that, but does his thing.

The challenge is made by Sin Cara through some sort of speaking surrogate who challenges Rey to a US Title match at WrestleMania. The losses appear to be eating up Sin Cara. Rey accepts the challenge, but the match is made "Mask vs. Mask" by some sort of heel authority figure who wants to make this really personal between Rey and Sin Cara. This is where Sin Cara gets his big win, becomes the new US Champion and gets a solid mid-card babyface push with Rey Mysterio's blessing.

XL 03-29-2013 06:07 PM

Rey and Sin Cara, both healthy for 6/7 months in a row? No chance.

Although, that bit about the speaking surrogate gave me an idea of a corrupt interprotater who, instead of translating what is being said, twists the words to cause issues between his client and others.

Or did they do that with Khali/Ranjin Singh?

XL 03-29-2013 06:10 PM

Also, Rey/Sin Cara could always feud with Swagger should they see fit to "demote" Swagger after Mania. Could even get a Hunico face turn out of it.

Mr. Nerfect 03-29-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4158525)
Rey and Sin Cara, both healthy for 6/7 months in a row? No chance.

Although, that bit about the speaking surrogate gave me an idea of a corrupt interprotater who, instead of translating what is being said, twists the words to cause issues between his client and others.

Or did they do that with Khali/Ranjin Singh?

Lol, a heel mouthpiece for a babyface Sin Cara who has no clue what is going on could be gold. "I enjoy decapitating puppies and drowning kittens, and now I'm coming after you, Cesaro." *Sin Cara nods and points*

Mr. Nerfect 03-29-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4158527)
Also, Rey/Sin Cara could always feud with Swagger should they see fit to "demote" Swagger after Mania. Could even get a Hunico face turn out of it.

I've thought of that also. That would be a lot of fun. I've always liked Rey's work with Swagger. It'd be nice of him to return the favour after prematurely taking the World Heavyweight Title off him in 2010. :mad:

They sort of already did Swagger vs. Sin Cara on RAW recently, but Sin Cara did come out of the match injured. Perhaps that is fine reason enough to go further with Swagger vs. Sin Cara. Would be a really big win for Sin Cara.

James Steele 03-30-2013 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4158536)
Lol, a heel mouthpiece for a babyface Sin Cara who has no clue what is going on could be gold. "I enjoy decapitating puppies and drowning kittens, and now I'm coming after you, Cesaro." *Sin Cara nods and points*

It has been far too long since they've used the old Kaientai "EVIL! INDEED!" gimmick.

GD 03-30-2013 05:37 AM

Sin Cara Negro returns and defeats Rey Mysterio in a stipulation match, forcing Rey Rey to retire.

Damian Rey 03-30-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4158134)
Because the real Sin Cara is actually really good and was a massive draw in Mexico because of who he is and the character that he portrayed. The WWE just needs to explain the character better and let Sin Cara continue to feel around the WWE style.

Hunico should be given a shot, but it should be as Hunico. Cut the stereotypes and just make him a bad-ass dude who is amazing in the ring with a massive chip on his shoulder since every time he looks in the mirror he has to remember losing to Sin Cara. They should really have a career rivalry.

Drawing in Mexico doesn't mean anything here. At all. I get he's talented, but it's been over two years since he's signed, and we've gotten one feud with Hunico, and whole lot of nothing. Granted, that's a combination of both Sin Cara being injured often, and the writers likely not knowing exactly how to write him, but the point still stands.

I don't care how they try to explain it, if he can't talk, he's not going to connect. There's zero reason as to why anyone would care about him and his luchador ways if no one knows who he is and what he stands for. Giving a face a mouthpiece seems like a waste to me. The Sin Cara character will never be what they envisioned him to be when they gave out his contract unless he's given a mic and connects with the crowd. If he doesn't speak English and can't do that, he's wasting time and money flip flopping around the ring in gimmick lighting because no one will ever care.

The gimmick could be gold, and Mysterio could close the door on his career by passing the torch via mask versus mask, but if Mysterio is carrying all the mic work, or the match is just random, then it's going to fail and it won't mean a thing. Put Hunico, or someone else who can wrestle a similar style, under the mask, give him a mic and personality instead of a bland, faceless, non speaking hero who can only point and nod, and let them run with it.

Mr. Nerfect 03-30-2013 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 4158984)
It has been far too long since they've used the old Kaientai "EVIL! INDEED!" gimmick.

I was actually this close (assume I am holding my fingers apart slightly) to suggesting Funaki return as Sin Cara's mouthpiece.

Mr. Nerfect 03-30-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4159290)
Drawing in Mexico doesn't mean anything here. At all. I get he's talented, but it's been over two years since he's signed, and we've gotten one feud with Hunico, and whole lot of nothing. Granted, that's a combination of both Sin Cara being injured often, and the writers likely not knowing exactly how to write him, but the point still stands.

I don't care how they try to explain it, if he can't talk, he's not going to connect. There's zero reason as to why anyone would care about him and his luchador ways if no one knows who he is and what he stands for. Giving a face a mouthpiece seems like a waste to me. The Sin Cara character will never be what they envisioned him to be when they gave out his contract unless he's given a mic and connects with the crowd. If he doesn't speak English and can't do that, he's wasting time and money flip flopping around the ring in gimmick lighting because no one will ever care.

The gimmick could be gold, and Mysterio could close the door on his career by passing the torch via mask versus mask, but if Mysterio is carrying all the mic work, or the match is just random, then it's going to fail and it won't mean a thing. Put Hunico, or someone else who can wrestle a similar style, under the mask, give him a mic and personality instead of a bland, faceless, non speaking hero who can only point and nod, and let them run with it.

Yes it does mean something. It means that Sin Cara can be plugged in and connect with audiences. This is why he was signed. Yeah, it's been two years. That's not really too long to learn an entirely new style of wrestling.

You can get people to understand the Sin Cara character through vignettes and hype videos. You have him tell stories in the ring. The mystery of why he never speaks becomes an intriguing character point and not a weakness. If you want to introduce a new masked character that is amazing on the mic, then by all means do it, but don't slip them into the Sin Cara role.

Fignuts 05-24-2019 02:27 AM

Well, that's me told.

DaveWadding 05-24-2019 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5254793)
Well, that's me told.

Tbf, this was before he slimmed back down, stopped wrestling full time and killed it in LU.

Fignuts 05-24-2019 04:22 AM

Yeah but if you would have told me in 2013 that I'd be excited to see Mysterio in 5 years, I'd have slapped your dick off.

Mr. Nerfect 05-26-2019 04:28 AM

Being outside WWE did wonders for him.

Evil Vito 05-26-2019 10:49 AM

Even if he was coming back to WWE, it never should've been under a full-time schedule. His body was inevitably going to break down again, unfortunately.

Jordan 05-26-2019 11:56 AM

Haven't read the thread but I would say to limit Rey to big shows and matches that absolutely have a purpose. I love Rey, but yeah he's getting hurt like he's Mark Henry in the early 2000's.

Mr. Nerfect 05-26-2019 05:00 PM

Starting to already hit him, it seems. A PPV series with Andrade would have been fine.

Sixx 05-26-2019 05:07 PM

He should.

Luigi 06-02-2019 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4144967)
I think so. Dude gets injured when he so much as thinks about wrestling.

He probably should have hung it up 10+ years ago, but who knows what his financial situation is like in real life. Given that the WWE, by ways of technical loopholes, can classify their employees as "independent contractors," it's highly unlikely that many of these wrestlers have a solid savings nest egg once their careers are finished....and hence, forcing them to wrestle well beyond their best before dates.


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