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Triple A 10-04-2021 10:24 PM

The problem for the past couple of weeks though is that the crowd seems really tired and way more quiet for Rampage after being "fired up" on Dynamite, which ends up hurting Rampage

Mr. Nerfect 10-04-2021 11:32 PM

Is Rampage the more important show? I would have thought it was still Dynamite.

I think stretching your content out is just going to have negative effects any way you cut it. There’s only so much emphasis you can place on different things. Interest is a finite resource. Even if you make Rampage more effective, I think that’s going to take away from Dynamite, because it’s just so much content.

Mr. Nerfect 10-04-2021 11:38 PM

I don’t think Dark or Elevation help either. Or Rhodes to the Top, for that matter. Even auxiliary content in different genres is just demanding too much of even a loyal audience.

I don’t know if they HAD to do Rampage. You heard it when the TV deal was upgraded. TNT was getting more content on the cheap. But it feels way too ambitious to me. Focus on doing one show that is your priority content. Once a week. Be firm. Even if you get paid less for it, there’s just more chance for overall growth. Especially in a marketplace that is ALREADY flooded with content. So many people still watch WWE. That’s just more hours a week a fan has to devote.

But I guess they may not have had a choice, which is why I think it was important to be way hotter earlier — because then you have more leverage in those sorts of negotiations. It’s kind of like where Bischoff found himself with WCW. But because Warner owned the promotion, they just had to do it. At least Khan could have had the advantage of owning AEW and being like “No, seriously guys. This is a bad idea. Here are historical examples. Let’s build this show first and if there is ever proper timing for a second show, we can do it then.”

Triple A 10-05-2021 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5485238)
Is Rampage the more important show? I would have thought it was still Dynamite.

I think stretching your content out is just going to have negative effects any way you cut it. There’s only so much emphasis you can place on different things. Interest is a finite resource. Even if you make Rampage more effective, I think that’s going to take away from Dynamite, because it’s just so much content.

More important than Dark: Elevation*, not Dynamite

And yeah I agree tbh... too much content could lead to burn out and/or Dynamite being watered down... It's not as bad as having 3 hours of Raw all at once, but same idea on a smaller scale imo...

Damian Rey 2.0 10-05-2021 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5485213)
The problem for the past couple of weeks though is that the crowd seems really tired and way more quiet for Rampage after being "fired up" on Dynamite, which ends up hurting Rampage (their more important show)

I don’t trust the crowd noise on the taped shows. It’s been brought before that the crowd sounds muted or muffled. It sounds the same on the YouTube shows. For whatever reason AEW taped shows sound like shit.

I see the crowd go ape shit on Dark for Thunder Rosa but I can barely hear them.

Lock Jaw 10-05-2021 01:46 AM

AEW live shows usually sound terrible too.

Before improving any other production aspect they really need to work on that.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-05-2021 02:45 AM

I’ll take the live feed audio over their taped shows any day of the week.

Mr. Nerfect 10-05-2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5485251)
AEW live shows usually sound terrible too.

Before improving any other production aspect they really need to work on that.

This has been an issue from the start, hasn’t it? I don’t get how a company with so much money and some legit legends of wrestling production can’t get this one area right. I’m not even saying that snarkily — I actually don’t understand how there isn’t a money wand that can be waved to fix it.

At least they’re not making the ridiculous directorial cuts WWE makes. It’s a hilarious image to imagine Kevin Dunn actually calling the cuts between two cameras as Drew McIntyre swings a chair down on Shanky or whatever. I want to see that footage so bad.

drave 10-05-2021 08:14 AM

Their sound definitely sucks. Just like WCW's sound sucked too. Definitely don't have the audio ear of Lock Jaw - Reporter Extraordinare, but it is very noticeable. Music never loud enough.

Jordan 10-05-2021 08:21 AM

I really like AEW, by far the best wrestling on TV!

James Steele 10-05-2021 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5485115)
I have taken the absolute biggest break from watching wrestling ever. Can’t remember the last show I actually watched. Probably highlights from SmackDown or something. I watched an individual clip from Dynamite, which was an awkward promo between Omega and Danielson where they kept saying “shit.”

Not very good anymore. And it doesn’t seem to be getting better.

And with all that, I’m still one of the most valuable posters here. Keeping the job squad in line and making sure people’s bad takes don’t get past without a scalding.

...so you admit that you don't watch the shows but still have the need to shit on anything and everything because people like something you don't (even though you don't watch it).

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-05-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5485276)
I really like AEW, by far the best wrestling on TV!

I'm growing to enjoy it more.

Sepholio 10-05-2021 12:52 PM

Dale sighting!

Mr. Nerfect 10-05-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 5485285)
...so you admit that you don't watch the shows but still have the need to shit on anything and everything because people like something you don't (even though you don't watch it).

The shows are unwatchable dude. It’s the shows fault. And there’s evidence in the data that shows this shit ain’t sticky. Which is what I usually talk about.

Does everyone here watch all three hours of Raw. Who the fuck would do that? And why is it cool to shit on WWE but not AEW? It’s only when it’s AEW that people go up in arms about it. WWE has been shit for years and years and it’s fine to tear them apart for it.

Wrestling is bad, which is why people don’t watch. Which is why wrestling fans are frustrated at it. Not that hard to get. This whole “Don’t say anything then, wah!” mentality is all really new.

Jordan 10-05-2021 05:34 PM

No it's not unwatchable for me especially since they started touring again. I look forward to the shows and at least half the time I watch them (pretty much every week) I really enjoy it. Sometimes it's not "the best show they've ever done" but even that kind of show feels a lot more entertaining than any other product out there.

Dynamite is awesome!

Jordan 10-05-2021 05:36 PM

Also the reason the Rampage rating was a little low was cause all us AEW dudes were out Friday night gettin our DICKS SUCKED ON. We had a build up after Arthur Ashe and brother let me tell you that went right on upstate to Rochester and we all got hard for Brodie Lee and we could only stand it but another day before we had let it out and we all have DVR so we set that up from start to finish and went out and got OUR DICKS SUCKED ON.

Mr. Nerfect 10-05-2021 05:58 PM

Everyone knows AEW fans are the sort of people who think the person giving actually blows in a blowjob.

Sepholio 10-05-2021 06:23 PM

Spoken like a man who has never gotten a real blowjob!

#1-norm-fan 10-05-2021 06:26 PM

Yeah that doesn’t sound so bad, Noid.

ron the dial 10-05-2021 06:31 PM

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I'M CUMMING

ron the dial 10-05-2021 06:32 PM

dreaming? they are out of their damn MINDS.

Mr. Nerfect 10-05-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5485379)
Spoken like a man who has never gotten a real blowjob!

Have you ever been to Australia?

#1-norm-fan 10-05-2021 07:49 PM

If they can’t give a proper blowjob, who would wanna go?

James Steele 10-06-2021 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5485343)
The shows are unwatchable dude. It’s the shows fault. And there’s evidence in the data that shows this shit ain’t sticky. Which is what I usually talk about.

Does everyone here watch all three hours of Raw. Who the fuck would do that? And why is it cool to shit on WWE but not AEW? It’s only when it’s AEW that people go up in arms about it. WWE has been shit for years and years and it’s fine to tear them apart for it.

Wrestling is bad, which is why people don’t watch. Which is why wrestling fans are frustrated at it. Not that hard to get. This whole “Don’t say anything then, wah!” mentality is all really new.

It's fine to shit on AEW...if you actually watch it you stupid fucking twat. You admitted to refusing to watch Omega/Bryan. You don't want to give AEW a chance at all. I shit on both products. I was not a very big fan of AEW until recently as their product has improved in a lot of ways and as a result I praise it more than I have in the past and its the same with WWE. It is a whole next level of mongoloid to openly admit you don't watch the product but still shit on it constantly and then whine when people call you out for being a dipshit.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-06-2021 02:48 PM

The guy who doesn’t watch the shows and tells you you’re allowed to like whatever you want is also telling you the show you like is unwatchable and making up claims that people get up in arms when you don’t like AEW, even tho he’s been told countless times everybody criticizes them and it’s not an echo chamber. But facts be dammed for noid trump

Mr. Nerfect 10-07-2021 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 5485534)
It's fine to shit on AEW...if you actually watch it you stupid fucking twat. You admitted to refusing to watch Omega/Bryan. You don't want to give AEW a chance at all. I shit on both products. I was not a very big fan of AEW until recently as their product has improved in a lot of ways and as a result I praise it more than I have in the past and its the same with WWE. It is a whole next level of mongoloid to openly admit you don't watch the product but still shit on it constantly and then whine when people call you out for being a dipshit.

Yeah? And what were comments about Omega & Bryan? I said that I’m not interested enough to watch it. Which I’m not. It’s a wrestling promotion’s job to make their show interesting enough to lure people in. They failed with me. I don’t have to go out of my way to bend my lack of interest to cater to them.

Where does this idea that you can’t judge highlights, clips or how something sounds come from? That’s just plain stupid.

James Steele 10-07-2021 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5485910)
Yeah? And what were comments about Omega & Bryan? I said that I’m not interested enough to watch it. Which I’m not. It’s a wrestling promotion’s job to make their show interesting enough to lure people in. They failed with me. I don’t have to go out of my way to bend my lack of interest to cater to them.

Where does this idea that you can’t judge highlights, clips or how something sounds come from? That’s just plain stupid.

When you go on long-winded rants multiple times per day it is fucking stupid..

Mr. Nerfect 10-07-2021 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 5485940)
When you go on long-winded rants multiple times per day it is fucking stupid..

And sometimes I’m not here for weeks at a time. Because this shit is boring. Be thankful for the Noid wisdom you get.

XL 10-07-2021 04:08 PM

I think there’s definitely some “grading on a curve” when it comes to AEW where it gets directly compared to WWE, and for this audience they get it right more often than WWE. Is it stuff that would bring in this (largely theoretical) casual audience? Probably not.

Mr. Nerfect 10-07-2021 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5486015)
I think there’s definitely some “grading on a curve” when it comes to AEW where it gets directly compared to WWE, and for this audience they get it right more often than WWE. Is it stuff that would bring in this (largely theoretical) casual audience? Probably not.

I agree with this assessment. Except I don’t think the audience is theoretically. They exist, they’re just not interested in this stuff.

Mr. Nerfect 10-11-2021 04:21 PM

They did it! They managed to climb past the overnights and managed to get an estimate of over half-a-million people!

502k for Rampage.

It beat Rugrats Shorts on Nickelodeon by about 9k people. There is a show called “Proof is Out There” on the History Channel that did 676k and 720k in the same slots. Ancient Aliens did 580k at midnight.

Mr. Nerfect 10-11-2021 04:22 PM

Forget baseball and football. The true competition are alien documentaries.

Triple A 10-11-2021 04:23 PM

Congrats bro

Mr. Nerfect 10-11-2021 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5486612)
Congrats bro

I have no stake in alien documentaries, unfortunately. I have probably missed a golden opportunity.

Mr. Nerfect 10-12-2021 04:02 PM

Lol, conversation about this rating has killed AEW discussion in lots of different places. People are running out of excuses.

James Steele 10-13-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5472375)
Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5485115)
I have taken the absolute biggest break from watching wrestling ever. Can’t remember the last show I actually watched. Probably highlights from SmackDown or something. I watched an individual clip from Dynamite, which was an awkward promo between Omega and Danielson where they kept saying “shit.”

Not very good anymore. And it doesn’t seem to be getting better.

And with all that, I’m still one of the most valuable posters here. Keeping the job squad in line and making sure people’s bad takes don’t get past without a scalding.


XL 10-13-2021 11:47 AM

This is going to be a bleak place when the ratings from Friday’s “head to head” come in. Regardless of who “wins” it’ll be 3 days of dissecting how important/unimportant, reliable/flawed the ratings system is with whichever side “wins” going on about it.

drave 10-13-2021 12:21 PM

We already know though don't we?




lolololol.




Just gonna continue to watch what I enjoy and doesn't simulate having a seizure every time a punch is thrown.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-13-2021 02:13 PM

Ratings can be fun discussion but honestly if you enjoy the product who gives a shit how many other people watch? It’s so meaningless at the end of the day for fans.


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