I mean I get what RP is saying. If they thought Joe would be able to get cleared from his injury in a reasonable amount of time they would def have held onto him at least through the remainder of his contract.

Nope. He has moobs, they did everything they were gonna do with him already.

I dunno man. If he had just ok moobs that would be one thing but Joe has a tremendous rack on him.

Pretty surreal that Joe never got a title on the main roster....

He was U.S Champ wasn't he?

Wikipedia says yes. Totally forgot about it. It was even before I stopped watching and everything.

If Joe goes to AEW can he start using the actual Godzilla theme?

Add some no-name low level employee to the pile of releases.

According to Triple H, that person got fired for recently "disrespecting" Mickie James when the real reason was more likely due to WWE trying to save some face from the online backlash after Mickie revealed her "care package" from WWE arrived today, which was just all of her stuff in a garbage bag with a sticker of her name. Her tweet managed to be a top trend on Twitter.

Maria Kanellis revealed the same was done to her stuff after she was released from WWE.

Edit: CM Punk threw a bit of shade at Triple H over WWE firing someone for giving disrespectful treatment to a released WWE talent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Upon learning of the disrespectful treatment some of our recently released talent received on behalf of the company, we took immediate action. The person responsible for this inconsiderate action has been fired and is no longer with <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a>.</p>&mdash; Triple H (@TripleH) <a href="https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/1385385638267166722?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dear <a href="https://twitter.com/VinceMcMahon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VinceMcMahon</a> Im not sure if you’re aware, I did receive my <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> care package today. Thank you. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlwaysBlessedandGrateful?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AlwaysBlessedandGrateful</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WomensWrestlingMatters?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WomensWrestlingMatters</a> �� <a href="https://t.co/PyDC7ZC9lG">pic.twitter.com/PyDC7ZC9lG</a></p>&mdash; Mickie James~Aldis (@MickieJames) <a href="https://twitter.com/MickieJames/status/1385313791131389952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

atleast it is a good trash bag, i guess boxes might have been better. was that mailed to her or was it left outside the next building, i kind of like seeng how they handle fired peoples stuff.

I've read about this a lot today and I totally don't get the issue

A massive Mountain out of a Molehill

Seems its more about how little effort or care WWE gave towards sending someone their stuff back especially for someone with a beloved status like Mickie.

Plus the issue got fueled by a recent tweet and some comments made by Mickie over how her end in the company played out in a less than cordial way.

If it wasn't for Mickie's tweet blowing up on Twitter, WWE probably wouldn't have cared nor offered a public apology over the poor treatment she was given after her release.

Turns out there was a second wave of releases after all like Meltzer initially reported was rumored to be happening. He ended up being off on where it would happen since it wasn't NXT who got affected but instead WWE's office staff.


Edit: Also turns out it wasn't some no-name low level employee who got fired over the recent Mickie James garbage bag controversy and instead was WWE's former Head of Talent Relations who got fired for it according to WrestlingInc.

Holy shit

Lol fuck Carrano

From what I remember most wrestlers strongly dislike Carrano so I don't think he'll be missed.

i guess the male wrestlers are happy they did not have the drawer that the woman wrestlers get so when they get fired wwe don't have to send them anything. why did wwe not pour the stuff from the bag to the box that would save a trash bag? an doing that crap since gail kim.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I feel so terrible. I am so sorry you were treated like this, Ivelisse. ��<br><br>I can’t believe Mickie James took a picture of you without your consent. ��</p>&mdash; �� �� (@The__Realest4) <a href="https://twitter.com/The__Realest4/status/1385382956915625985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah.

It also seems he specifically did the trash bag treatment towards women who were released since other former WWE women joined in saying the same happened to them.

LOL Damn, that's a solid burn :rofl:

fuckin lol

According to PWI, it hasn't been confirmed if Mark Carrano was actually responsible for the Mickie James trash bag controversy but the story going around backstage was him being the fall guy for it and similar past instances with former female talent.

Also seems his firing was bound to happen anyways since he pretty much had no real power in the company after John Laurinaitis took over his job as Head of Talent Relations.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Had some in the company say they wouldn't be surprised if Carrano goes without an &quot;official firing&quot; and instead just has next to no duties, or none at all</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1385421747986567168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

yeah carrano could be the fall guy for something vince might have come up with in his pettyness. good thing orton did not crap in the bags.

Why is WWE so fucking weird? Just be normal. Jesus.

lol at them acting like they are appalled by the trash bag. What is there even to be petty about? Wwe fired them.

Anyways I don’t think it was done out of spite or pettiness, it’s a simple matter of not giving a fuck about people.

they would have been smarter to pour the bag into the box, that would not look as bad. when office workers get let go they get there stuff in a box. surprised a past womans wrestler did not get a pic of the garbage bag sooner like gail kim.

i figured out what chelsea green can do when she is at ether impact or aew. she will be her old hot mess with the torn white dress and add the wwe trash bag have her run around with that full trash bag.

According to Fightful, there is a small chance WWE could end up rehiring Mark Carrano in the future due to him knowing too many of the company's dirty secrets that they wouldn't like to be made public.

Executives certainly sign NDA's

Is this why Michael Cole is still employed?

magal

WERE BACK BABY


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're told that several WWE stars have been informed of their releases</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1456390146522234885?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

must be nxt no news yet

Ember Moon, Scarlett, Morrison's wife, and Lorcan were released.

Scarlett, Franky Monet, Ember Moon released

Franky, I couldnt think of her name!

Scarlett Lmaoooo has Vince not seen her?

Woo boy are you going to feel silly if you click on his Twitter feed right now

Lol he broke a story with no details. We all knew releases were coming, but why tweet BEFORE any names come out? He could have waited 20 minutes, but he wanted to come off like he had sources.

I edited it with the names once they came out, and was gonna let it go, but yeah, I stand by it, he just made a guess before it happened.

Old Vince is no longer a genetic jackhammer.

so when monet goes back to impact i hope she has an orange jump suit. she can say they let me out of jail early i escaped the stanferd penn.

Sean Ross Sapp is literally the best source for anything wrestling on the net. Hands down.

Eva Marie
Mia Yim

Both gone

Nia Jax
Harry Smith
Keith Lee

gone

Wow Keith Lee and Nia Jax are gone

Karrion Kross also

Karrion Kross gone

Karrion Kross
Lince Dorado
Gran Metalik

Gone

Fake account.

Lol Harry Smith didn’t even return to television. Damn.

yeah nvm Fightful retweeted it for some reason

You knew you were wrong and changed your post, but now you’re trying to act like you’re right. Take your L and move along.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fightful has confirmed Keith Lee has been released by WWE</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1456399724043554818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


OH MY GOD

KEITH LEE IS ALL ELITE

nia gone what took so long

Keith Lee deserves his freedom

Hey at least she gave us one memorable moment:

Rock's probably on the phone with Vince saying "The fuck you release Nia for?"

now he has to pay for her upkeep

And these releases happen on the day Q3 financials came out showing they made a shitload of money.

What a morally bankrupt company.

I don't get that criticism

Why should they have to hang onto wrestlers they have no use for?

I consider them morally bankrupt when they still have Kevin "10 million camera cuts a millisecond" Dunn on their payroll

Just because they are making a ton of money doesn't mean they need to keep everyone under contract forever. Morals have nothing to do with it, that's just business.

Damn, Gertner beat me to it while I was typing that post....

your job isnt a charity. get over or go somewhere else

Crazy to think less than 2 years ago Keith Lee got some shine from Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar in back to back Big 4 PPVs

KEITH LEE is an absolute megastar waiting for his moment. Everyone needs to look the fuck out.

Granted I did not see too much of him, but I did not see star potential... certainly not MEGAstar potential...

Honestly, Keith Lee reminds me of Brodus Clay

Because WWE bad Gertner. Vince evil!

Also as I have said before, it's damned if you do damned if you don't for WWE with some people. If he keeps people and doesn't use them then Vince is an evil bastard who is holding talent back just so he can hoard them and keep them from going elsewhere. The instant he does release them the exact same people are like "RAAAAWWRRRR that monster, Vince McMahon!". It's absolutely ridiculous.

Keith being released def surprised me though. Nia too. Ember Moon also a little surprising although tbh I haven't watched much of her stuff since she came back from the really nasty injury she had and went back to NXT.

Nobody’s saying they have to keep people under contract forever. Plenty of people have asked to be released, and I’m all for that.

I’m also all for simply letting contracts expire. “Thanks for your service, we’ve decided not to renew. Best of luck to you”. Easy. No problem with that. The company and talent honored their end of the deal.

Firing is something a company only needs to when there is a need to tighten the belts. The company is churning in ungodly money, so budget cuts doesn’t fly.

They literally just gave one of the talents a new contract a week ago. So you wanted to keep her for multiple years last week and now, nah?

It’s stupid and a bad look.

Who did they give a new contract?

Also, you should be able to fire someone before their contract ends if they aren't performing like you want. You shouldn't have to pay out the rest of their contract just because you can afford it.

i think it was the hit row chick

5 of my guesses were correct:

Keith/Mia/Kross/Scarlett/Nia

Surprised Dana Brooke, Tamina, Jaxson Ryker survived

Would like to see Keith Lee rassle Bryan Danielson, Miro, Adam Page, etc

Prayer Circle to keep Nia Jax away, far away, from AEW...

absolutely

My take on Nick Khan's WWE is:


You won't see things like Mandy or Austin Theory get re-sent to NXT for further development (in Austin's case this was a great thing, his current character is good, early Randy Orton vibes IMO). If they don't click the way WWE wants them to WWE might fidget with them a little but then just 'cut their losses'


We'll probably see more and more callups from NXT 2.0 as time goes on. This means more main roster talent will be cleared out for the 'freshening' of the main roster. I don't think people will stay in NXT as long as the past, at all.


Nick Kahn probably looks at main event talent as 'have they peaked for what we will use them for' and 'how expensive are they if they've peaked' ala Braun/Bray/Nia.


I think Nick Khan is interested in who they can build the company on for the next 5-10 years. You have to keep around the older names people know like Edge, Rey Mysterio, Jeff Hardy, etc, but you cannot build the company around them.


Roman's time as 'the guy' will be over in a year or two. It's just time. Hogan, Austin/Rock, Cena, etc. No one goes a full decade as 'the guy'. His push started at WM31 as 'the guy'. It's got another year or two left, they have to figure out who the next face of WWE will be then.


Outside of Ronda, Brock being Brock, Austin a shoe-in for a WM role, Rock likely for a WM role the year after that, WWE doesn't have anymore rabbits to pull out of the magic hat for surprise returns. Edge was the bottom of the hat. They HAVE TO make new stars/freshen things up.

Nia Jax vs Red Velvet would be fascinating. It'd be a competition as to who injures Red first: Nia or Velvet attempting some kind of backflip move that she has no idea how to do.

On the flip side of my take on Nick Khan's WWE, these tweets are also very accurate, as it once again teaches fans not to bother investing in new characters.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE is a business, and as a business they can do what they want, but they're also putting out episodic television. As a fan it's difficult to get invested in storylines and/or characters when they'll just cut motherfucker's at a moments notice. <br><br>This isn't Game of Thrones. <a href="https://t.co/oym2G8T8wR">pic.twitter.com/oym2G8T8wR</a></p>&mdash; Dicki Bella  (@DickVanKlondike) <a href="https://twitter.com/DickVanKlondike/status/1456407883638259716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is my issue w/ WWE... What's the point of getting invested? It used to be that the folks you watched and got invested in all year would be replaced in top spots by a Brock, Goldberg etc. and now it's like, is this person even gonna fuckin' be here in two months??</p>&mdash; Jim Stansel (@ToddBollocks) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToddBollocks/status/1456405805675290626?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I say Nick Kahn's WWE too because there's talk Vince is in decline. Some people say he doesn't remember what happened the previous week on TV sometimes.

No one can defeat Time. It makes sense. Vince rarely speaks at the quarterly conference calls, spoke 1 sentence when fans were brought back this year, had that BIZARRE rambling speech on HHH appreciation night a year or two ago. Nick Khan is probably the most powerful person in WWE history whose not part of the McMahon family.

Allllllllso, the office cuts this week were said to be people who were Stephanie's people/in her inner circle.

Steph has to be rather stressed these days with Vince...aging, HHH...recovering and Nick Khan gaining power.

No, I edited it when the names started coming out.

I am with Vito on this one. If someone signs a 3 year contract, they should not be released without just cause. The talent cant just decide to go to another wrestling company whenever they feel like it, they have to wait until their contract expires. WWE should be tied to the contract they offered, not just able to end the agreement on a whim with no reason other than we arent using them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEReleases?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEReleases</a> <a href="https://t.co/2CO7hnpR6h">pic.twitter.com/2CO7hnpR6h</a></p>&mdash; Arik Cannon (@arikcannon) <a href="https://twitter.com/arikcannon/status/1456407325871415301?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

just cause includes poor performance. its in the contract.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS <a href="https://t.co/80P3TrJlrE">https://t.co/80P3TrJlrE</a></p>&mdash; BIFF Busick (@_starDESTROYER) <a href="https://twitter.com/_starDESTROYER/status/1456394180498968577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

4 were reportedly released due to being unvaxxed. Or thar it played a big role in it. Nia Jax being one.

This round was pretty much WWE admitting that they'd made some mistakes with guys like Kross and Lee. As a fan of everything but WWE, I've grown to love these mass releases.

You should've grown to love washing your feet and ass by now.

I wash my feet unlike most of you. You guys have fallen in love with my ass though.

Here's me guessing: Kross, Scarlett, Eva Marie

While this is true, it can’t possibly apply to a company that micro managers and scripts every single thing that happens with zero creative input or any semblance of freedom from the actual talent.

In this case, it’s better that Lee and Kross got let go. They can do well/be used far better elsewhere and still make a good living. It’s a good time to get released, tbh.

Lee especially. This is potentially a huge blessing for him. Not to mention he’s prob gonna make a killing in t shirt sales once he can.

Yeah that’s a massive over simplification by Destor. Harry Smith? Hasn’t even been on TV. No opportunity to get over. We all know the deal with Lee, Yim, Kross, Scarlett, given shit to work with.

And this. It’s the out of whack power dynamic that’s the issue. You’re an “independent contractor” signed to an exclusive contract, if you want to break the contract, no chance. If we want to, we will. And then we’ll dictate when you can go elsewhere.

Well, it's nice to see that that massive Samoan circus snatch Nia Jax has now been told to fuck off.....it's what the raging cunt gets for hurting other wrestlers. Piss on her.

As for the others, meh....it is what it is. =P

These all sound like pretty sensible cuts. WWE are monsters if they hire everybody, but they are also monsters if they dare fire anyone they aren’t using or don’t want to use anymore. It’s crazy how quickly people got used to WWE never releasing anyone (even though they should have), and now act like it’s some crazy thing when what is essentially a talent search program cuts people.

I think talent should be able to get out of their deals too, for the record. But acting like WWE are villains in this is a bit much. They gave this talent chances (in their own world) and they didn’t live up to it.

Also, just because your profit margin is huge doesn’t mean you don’t have a budget. I hear Alvarez get on them for that every time this sort of things happen. If you want to cap your talent expenses at a certain amount, that is entirely your prerogative. It’s got nothing to do with your profit margin (other than you being able to afford it).

Samoan Circus Snatch. Ahahahahahahaha.

Karrion Kross is just typical WWE. He's over in NXT, moves onto the main roster with no direction, then gets let go for not getting over.