To be fair, he's not really revealing anything ground breaking new when it comes to Vince being out of touch. Just puts it into perspective all the blame he was getting as a wrestler for Vince's shortcomings and why he was losing passion working there after a while.

Bunch of former writers, employee, and wrestlers have mentioned similar things about Vince's terrible creative habits and work environment for years.

I was going to post this exact same thing but you beat me to the punch. Great post and I completely agree.

I do think there is a lot of truth to this, but I also believe that Ambrose (along with many other wrestlers) simply weren't maximized to their potential due to improper logistics (i.e. being given scripts that do not match their characters, not having proper creative freedom, etc.). It will be interesting to see how Ambrose does in AEW.

Since I've seen a couple of people posting their opinion on Jon Mox as a worker, star etc... I thought I'd give my two cents. There was always a way to describe Mox as a cross between Piper and Funk or whomever, Pillman, Austin, whomever. But I think we will see that he is really one of a kind. When I've seen him live I swear there is something about him ever time, no matter what bullshit he was booked to do. When I saw him in the ring live he had an electricity to him that I've only really seen from Rey Misterio Jr...

When Mox hits the ropes, or takes a powder, or is laying in punishment or even taking it. There is a charisma there that I can only describe as very (Terry) Funky. He's lucky as hell he got out at this time and had such an amazing impact on AEW on their first show. All of the things he is saying now, it needs to be said by someone who has been there like he has. We all know it but it needs to be said so maybe something can start to be done. Some awareness that Vince is actually ruining wrestling.

Moxley gets a lot of points from me for being a unique character in an era where it's really not very common.

Surely connecting can come from being unique and being creative and maki g yourself stand out. The parallel is there with the man he was talking to. Jericho forced people to take notice of him by constantly being creative and reinventing himself and coming up with ideas and stories for his characters. His angle with Owens was nigh on impossible in current era WWE and he still pulled it off.

It obviously doesn’t mean that anyone can succeed, but it does mean that the chains are gone and that there should be no barriers in working hard and forcing people to notice. Especially with this attention he is getting straight out of the box

I have faith in new Mox, shortcomings in the ring or not. There's a lot of guys who've been worse than him in the ring who've done quite well for themselves.

That's one point people are making that I disagree with completely. Yes he in unorthodox in style, but that is by no means bad. In fact I think that is what makes him better. I've never once doubted his in ring ability, different is a major plus.

There’s things he does I like. Others I don’t. Overall he is solid - just tended to miss during marquee moments where he could have set himself apart. I think he will be much more clutch in AEW.

I love Dean Ambrose and he was horribly misused. He has me very interested in AEW by himself.

For all the things he complained about, I think he lost his real push after how bad he came across in Austin's WWE Network interview. He was getting a great push, MITB, cash in, Smackdowns first draft pick when the brands split, win the triple threat to keep the WWE Title around his waist and on Smackdown, when they carried him on their shoulders.

Then the Austin interview happened, and he kind of biffed his own push, so much so that they took the title off him they next month.

Had he not botched so badly that interview, where he came across as very mid card, he probably wouldn't have been pigeon holed into the glory crazy guy.

Lol The Austin interview had nothing to do with anything. He got the same half-assed push everyone who gets a title run nowadays gets.

I’m tempering my expectations for AEW but I have full faith in Moxley. He has... something. There’s an aura there that is rare nowadays.

He does he just sells like Brody without the size so it plays...wrong

His rebound clothesline got slower and clumsier every time he did it. Like RVD's stepover spin kick.

Like, it's so slow now that it's comical seeing his opponent just watch him bounce off the ropes and wait there for the clothesline.

It looked fucking awesome when he first did it though.

Also, selling is a WWE problem rather than an Ambrose problem.

I'd say the majority doesn't sell. Which makes me wonder whether it's the wrestlers themselves or if it has something to do with who is plotting out their matches.

It might be a company philosophy, but it might also be largely that some people just can't do it well nor see the importance in it. It's not really en vogue on the indies. It's probably a multi-faceted problem where the company is to blame for a lot of it, but the wrestlers also have their share in the responsibility, and many of them probably couldn't sell even if they wanted to.

This.

Some of it may have to do with how unmotivated he was as his run kept petering out.

I remember feeling so weird when he signed with WWE in the first place. This is a guy who had made a name for himself working a lot of violent, deathmatch-style matches and his promos, while brilliant, were far from PG. Lots of F fucking bombs.

Like, he deserved to be signed but it shocked me that they had interest in him but it seemed like they were destined to have a clash of ideas.

They were actually going to reference this. He was supposed to be Mick Foley's "last feud ever" in 2012 with Dean blaming Mick for a generation of fans mutilating themselves via deathmatches and backyard wrestling. No idea how they'd have pulled it off in a PG climate which is probably why it got axed in the first place.

Probably for the best, Mick probably would've felt the need to take one last big bump despite being 47 years old at the time.

And to that, he referenced in his podcast with Wade Keller how he took pride in being one of "Vince's guys" until he realized how that was actually a bad thing. There could be certain habits (this is PURE speculation) that Vince could be directly responsible.

Couldn't you imagine Vince telling Mox he's throwing that clothesline to fast and he needs to "SLOW IT DOWN, PAL" so the audience can take it all in?

I think that video of Moxley confronting Foley was the first time I’d ever seen him. I actually thought it was legit at first because I thought he was just some indy guy. He was fantastic in it. It’s sad to look back on. Hopefully he can bring that fire again.

Is this interview online?

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The interview starts @ 17:36 for those interested.

Keller sucks with these ads every 3 minutes

Holy fuck these ads no wonder it's 2 hours.

I found the interview on YouTube. Had I think German ads you could skip thru. Trying to listen otherwise is a fucking chore.

What did Moxley say about the Austin interview and why it was so shit?

He said the producers wanted him to talk shit about his family and it pissed him off and he said absolutely not, then Austin said "something" that pissed him off so he just shut down. He didnt have the ability or time to really shoot with Austin cause he was the WWE Champ and would get fired.

Jericho currently denying rumors that he revealed what was the rejected cancer-line to people who were at AEW's Double or Nothing show.

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0% chance thats true. Theyd never write a line that good.

:lol: well done

I agree.

Finally listened to the Keller pod. Love how in part 1 Mox was pretty well composed, but then in part 2 when WM32 and the Austin pod come up he just starts losing his shit. You can tell how upset he is about the Brock match to this day.

I can't blame him. Brock is very well capable of putting on a good match when he's motivated - but he didn't give a shit about that match. Completely ignored all of Dean's idea for weeks about spots they could do to make it a memorable street fight. Dean was going to be taking all of the bumps and Brock still didn't want to do it. Gotta be frustrating.

The match should have been a Last Man Standing match, and they could have told a really straight forward story of Lesnar as this wrecking machine and Ambrose as a guy that won’t stay down regardless of what’s thrown at him. Oh well.

With the benefit of both hindsight (like his feud with Regal in FCW or folks - myself included - thinking he was going to be the breakout star of The Shield) and the current NJPW G1, I'm inclined to disagree.

He's good, but lots of guys are good

While true, the narrative was going in a "he's only good because of WWE" direction instead of the more appropriate "he's better than he was allowed to be in WWE" direction.