The green tongue and turnbuckle chewing were just stupid. That is Memphis bullshit.

Gertner is there anyone in wrestling that you hate beyond redemption and if so, why?

Lol awwww I love 80s Memphis wrestling. Best weekly television show from the era.

Hmmmmmm, wrestlers that I hate. Watching mid 80s WWF House Shows has cause me to hate Rene Goulet because of his stupid claw hold that he'd do over and over again during matches that would last for minutes at a time.

I was also not a fan at all of Pedro Morales. His matches were just bleh. Hated when he would come on. Plus I'm not Puerto Rican so I never really "got" Morales.

But the wrestler I hate more than anyone is....


Shane Douglas.

I hate his promos, I hated his stupid belly to belly suplex, I hated everything about him. He's just fucking awful.

What were your thoughts on Shane's cousin Dean?

Shane Douglas comes across as a cunt in every interview I've seen. I never cared for him either.

They can both eat my ass

Dude you were not kidding about the Oddities being over. I don't remember that sort of pop. Golga Vs Jeff Jarrett on Heat and the crowd just loses their shit when the intro hits.
I remember ICP and the Oddities but I thought their intro was different. Possibly they dubbed it over.

was there any reaction during the match or just for the intro?

They were pretty into it, it was on Heat in 98 or 99 and the crowd was pretty pissed when Jarrett won via Debra throwing Cartman to Golga who cuddled it until Double J hit the reverse Russian legsweep for the win.

I think they mostly dug the intro though because ICP and the whole gang came out dancing around like lunatics.

They were definitely an over act.

You know who else were crazy fucking over : Too Cool and Rikishi. I don't think people remember how bloody over they were in 99/2000. They were just as over as any face in the company.

I remember how over they were, I was a big fan of their act. I remember being upset when Grandmaster Sexay disappeared and never came back.

K Kwik and Essa Rios used to get big reactions every week on Heat. I really loved K Kwik, I vaguely remember e-mailing Jim Ross at WWE to ask why they let him go but alas he must have been weak from the palsy as no reply ever came.

Hey Gertner, isn't it fucking lame that Wiki removed every wrestler's finisher section from their pages? I wonder why they did that.

Yeah, it's pretty well documented how over too cool/rikishi were. Unfortunately, there was always a shelflife on said overness.

I was just talking about that with someone. Soooooo fucking lame.

Rikishi turned heel and Scotty tore his ACL. That was it.

I still get real and painful pangs of depression and anger when I think about Bob Backlund Vs Bret Hart and how much that storyline asked of Bret who had already been fucked around by WWE so many times before. Losing to Yoko then watching Hogan beat him was bad news, but putting old Bob Backlund's pasty white tits over only to watch Diesel beast him is my worst wrestling memory.

I think I am a Bob Backlund "mark" in that I actually hate him for that. I really mean it.

Just writing that made me rub my forehead and sigh.

Fucking Backlund.

It's proof that a heel can be too good and an angle too raw. Bret Hart played the "put upon" hero so brilliantly I still hate Owen a bit.

I love that Mr. Backlund character so damn much lol. The whole finish to the Bret vs Backlund match was so great. Owen was such a little shit lol

I'm sure Bob Backlund would be quite proud that a grown man occasionally gets really upset about something he did 25 years ago.

I can't be the only one who he got to.

Lol I've talked to Backlund on facebook a few times. Very cool guy.

Random thing I just heard. WCW in 2000 was heavily rumored to be bringing in Don Frye, Mark Coleman, Mark Kerr and align them with Rick Steiner and Tank Abbott and call the group "The Knockout Club"

I enjoyed the Mr. Backlund run. Having been just a bit under 1 yr old when his first WWF Title reign ended the Mr. Backlund run was my introduction to him.

Which is the best PPV name?

I always liked Starrcade.

If you were starting up a wrestling promotion, what color scheme do you brand yourself with? What color ring ropes do you use?

I liked WCW's black cable ropes better than anything the WWE has done

I'd actually do Black and White.

I’m in agreement there. :y:

I know you’re not much for the current product, but if you had to book a main event for Mania next year, what would it be?

Hmmmmmm. I dont watch at all, but I do keep up on the results.

Braun Strowman vs Daniel Bryan. I'm booking Strowman as a heel vs Bryan as a face. I wish they did heavy heat angles because there's a lot they could do here. I don't think they've wrestled each other before, so it would be a fresh match up and such an easy storyline to book.

Watching the November 26, 1984 Madison Square Garden show. 1984 is so good. Newstead and I have talked about doing a 1984 WWF podcast together where we watch and review every piece of 1984 WWF footage in order. I found someone with some equipment, so this might be a go. Such an interesting time in the company.

Throw Seanny into the mix and we could produce something great.

I've been wanting to do that for so long

Also reading out Droford posts in a sad voice

I remember that Rikishi turn being really bad. I figured it could've worked because "big guy gets mad" seemed easy enough to portray.

I haven't watched that in a while. Did he cut more really bad promos after admitting he did it for The Rock?

A big problem with those sorts of turns is that you lose everything about the performer that drew people in. Rikishi was just a fat guy after that.

Who’s your pick for shit wrestler with a great gimmick and great wrestler with a shit gimmick?

1. The Boogeyman. Lol I loved that gimmick so much, but man was he bad.

2. The Red Rooster. Terry Taylor was so good in Mid South as a heel and he gets saddled with this. He never recovered.

Oh man, I fucking hated The Boogeyman.

Name wrestlers who do moves better than guys who are known for their delivery of that move.

Bradshaw does a better Lariat than Stan Hansen.

Mark Kerr was going through some serious drug abuse and rapid physical decline around that time which lasted years and ruined him. Try and find a documentary called The Smashing Machine, it's the most honest account of MMA drug abuse that there is.

He does a better Powerbomb than pretty much anyone I can think of too. I'd say Taker but I dunno, I seem to remember him nearly killing a few guys with it when they slipped while he was trying to hitch them up right at the end for the final elevation.

Bob Holly had a sweet dropkick but I think that's an acknowledged fact among his peers.
I always thought Shawn Michaels had a poor super kick too. I preferred Stevie Richards' Stevie Kick. It does what it says on the tin.
I remember running around the playground at school throwing "Seanny kicks" in his honour.

Saw that 2 years ago. So good!

I was gonna say Chris Adams did a better Superkick than HBK

Because of his name I always thought he must have actually been a gentleman. Then I found out he was a complete maniac. I like the crazy ones.

Yokozuna also did a great superkick.

Look at that. He didn't even end Brett's career or anything.

Someone should have shown Bill Goldberg.

In a seriousness how can anyone justify that kick not being a match ender. What's the point in little HBK doing it if Yokozuna does a better one at that size.

I have the same complaint about the superplex. How is a superplex less powerful than every finisher?

I hate it when guys hit a superplex and no sell it.

It was Bob Orton jr's finisher

lies.

Gertner exaggerates for effect a lot.

JBL does throw a mean lariat though.

It's better than Hansen's

your mom

YOU'RE ALL DEAD TO ME

I would say Bradshaw hit the best clothesline too because every second clip I see of Hansen throwing the Lariat looks sloppy as shit and liable to take the poor bastard's torso off. He threw that thing at the back of guy's heads too.
It's weird because he honestly looks like he could run a nice little diner at the side of the road nowadays.

Bradshaw can't lace Stan Hansen's boots

Nobody threw a better Lariat than in shape Acolyte Bradshaw.

Who do you think was the most dangerously sloppy or stiff worker?
Hansen broke Sammartino's neck, Vader's nose, popped Vader's eye out in the same match and I've never heard him referred to as much worse than stiff and blind.

I watched Shamrock/Vader from 97 last night and that was a stiff match but pretty safe until Vader suplexed Shamrock from the ring to the floor outside... he drops him ten feet onto his knees. Looked terrible.

lol my favourite moment in that match (well I think it's everyone's favourite moment) is when Vader finally has had enough of Ken, and FUCKING SMASHES him with that clothesline in the corner. Fuck it was funny.

also the classic "EASE UP"

Surprised Ken Shamrock has never done anything more with WWE. Like, he’s old now, but they have seemingly just forgotten him. Maybe it’s because they think he’s too rattled in the head?

Every time I think "bad wrestler, great gimmick" my mind automatically defaults to Deuce 'n Domino. I loved that team way more than I had any right to just because of the over the top gimmickry.

And to be fair, Domino wasn't bad especially based on his indy run later. Deuce though might've been one of the worst guys they ever had under contract. I dunno if he had something wrong with him physically or if he was just lazy but he flat out refused to bump and would constantly grab the ropes on the way down. And considering they spent months working a fiery babyface team in London and Kendrick, not being able to bump and feed throws off the pacing of everything.

Lol a 300 pound blind Texan. A receipe for disaster.

They talk about It 5 minutes into the video

Hahaha I knew I remembered hearing them complain about him somewhere. Wanna re-watch that whole shoot now cause I remember it being hilarious.

Brian Kendrick tells a story about literally pissing on John Cena.

I think that’s the shoot where Paul London literally says he’ll be happy when Vince is dead. Lol

I still freakin' love London. The guy was pretty ahead of his time. If he came around now, it's easy to imagine him getting the same sort of treatment as a Johnny Gargano. Well, whatever that is worth. An independent leader at the time. Buuuut, the more time that passes, the more I wonder if the dude was just literally insane. He seems to make a lot of sense some of the time, but other times, he really seems "out of it."

A bit sad to hear him say that he and Kendrick hadn't spoken in over a year at one point. That was around the time of the CWC.

Actually, was just about to make a thread about ROH. I would not be opposed, providing he is still in shape, for London having a "comeback run" in ROH. They need something.

Paul London has wrestled for a company in LA a friend of mine worked for. I haven’t actually talked to him but from what my friend has told me based on hours of conversation, Paul London is the Noid of the indy wrestling world. Just constantly talking about how shitty modern wrestling is. You’d love him.

:love:

He goes hard on Triple H, which I love. I'm not really in on the whole "Triple H is the future mind of wrestling" thing. I think he's playing hipster brew-maker right now for his own ego. He knows what happens on the main roster, and he's not putting any of them over him up there. They're his kids down there, but there's a difference between touch footy in the backyard and the big NFL game, where he is going to book himself like the Patriots.

Why don't you go blow Sal Sincere in somebody else's awesome thread you dweebs

Seanny read your rep

Cool, thanks!

I’m down for blowing Deuce ‘n’ Domino if you’d find that less offensive.

They’re probably in my top 5 favorite 2000s tag teams for the gimmick alone. Also, top 5 best themes of all time.

Fucking hated Deuce N' Domino for ending London & Kendrick's reign.

Remember when Deuce moved to Raw and became Sim Snuka and tried to get into Legacy? I think he beat Rey Mysterio on Raw.

Sim Snuka and Manu lol

Member when Deuce almost broke the Undertaker’s neck at Wrestlemania?

My grandmas cat was named Minew, so Manu reminded me of my grandmas old dead cat.

Funny enough Domino retweeted that yesterday was the 12 year anniversary of them winning the titles. So for shits and grins I looked the match up.

It wasn’t even a tag match lol. London took himself out with a missed moonsault on the outside which led to Kendrick getting the shit beaten out of him for 10 minutes before getting pinned.

What a lame way to start a title reign. And that basically was it for Londrick as they got sent to Raw to rot not long after.

Lol they got the shit kicked out of them by Orton, Cody, and Ted Jr and then they were both released within a few months.

Even WWE recognized that they were shit.

Still think it’s bullshit that they never did anything with Domino. He was far and away the better of the two and as it was discovered a few years later on Colt’s podcast, he was fucking hilarious.

Could’ve gone more Andrew Dice Clay with the gimmick and been an Elias-type heel if nothing else.

Their finisher was lame

Lol, “Crack ‘Em in the Mouth.” I can’t remember too many people having shorter, less memorable runs than Manu. Eric Escobar?

Remember when they brought up Ryan Braddock and Scotty Goldman to Smackdown and did zero with them.

Don’t forget Kizarny!

Lol Colt Cabana has been told he was going to keep the Colt Cabana name and be the Santino of SmackDown.

Then a week later on the day of his debut he gets told he’s gonna be Scotty Goldman. God that must’ve sucked.

Frankie Kazarian, Gunner Scott, KC James and Aaron the Idol Stevens.

Smackdown is littered with guys who had really short runs.

A VERY young and unrecognizable Tommaso Ciampa as Muhammad Hassan's lawyer.

Remember Braden Walker?

Whose brains was he gonna knock out? Armando Estrada?