You should cut a CM Punk style shoot promo on your last day, sitting Indian style on top of your desk.

And DAMNiNATOR WTF?? Teddy Long must have some huge secret on Vince because that guy having a job is beyond a joke. He lost his appeal when he was just a manager of Jazz and that other bloke. Didnt the Undertaker kill him a while ago??

Shhhhhh. Don't bring that guy back in here. He's clearly out of his fucking skull.

Yeah that was awesome but the tornado tag from raw was ten times better again and that was pure wrestling with no big spots to hold the crowds attention. Im not saying WWE is better BECAUSE it is broadcast worldwide, it is better and THEREFORE is broadcast worldwide. WWE has reached mainstream which allows other smaller companies to attempt to grow

Would definitely be down for some CM Punk in NJ.

This whole deal is pretty much awesome in every way. Heated angle. Punk gets time away from WWE / can go do what he wants / door is open for a return. Punk vs. Cena is always good. I'm all for anyone trashing Johnny Ace. Good stuff.

I cant stress this enough but FUCK emo kids. Thos little tight ball hugging jeans they all got on look like shit and testiclewise, they make zero sense.

:rofl: Rodney Mack.

DAMN iNATOR still has a few glitches in his software that need tweaking.

100 points to you sir, he wasn't worth a google but my goodness he blew

Rodney Mack was also John Cena's bodyguard for a hot second. Perhaps he'll have some involvement with the Punk feud? Makes perfect sense, really.

A good amount of talent is needed or else you'd end up with a mess or ramble of a shoot similar to Vince Russo's shoots in late WCW or when TNA references WWE in random promos.

Punk's promo does manage to stay within the idea of the universe because the main focus of his complaints were that everyone just accepts whatever the universe dictates which explains why he never gets to be on weekly programs or appreciated a lot more. R-Truth actually has been attacking this idea a lot with his "little Jimmys" promos but never at the level of what Punk did last night.

The reaction of the crowd was also a bit special since they didn't start booing him as if they sort of agreed to what he was saying but didn't want to break the idea of the "universe" by cheering him.

If Punk brings in Rodney Mack, B2, Carlito and Jesus then i will track you down and personally wash your house, car and/or testicles

Oh, I'm sorry. Are we not friends anymore because you're no longer King of The Forum? Well too damn bad. I serve a new king and that is NerF. You don't like it, kiss my ass, because with "friends" like you who needs enemies?

When you call all of the titles "imaginary", I don't think that's working within the confines of the universe. Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from Punk, as he is obviously a performer of many talents, but I think it's much easier to cut a promo like he did last night than it is to make something like a Kane/Edge program feel believable, for example.

So with Punk, Truth and to a lesser degree Mark Henry are we seeing a change in WWE's strict PG rated, ignore all sense and logic philosophy?

You didn't just say that. Tell me you did NOT just say that.

Don't forget, he also managed D'Lo Brown, Mark Henry, Rosey, Chris Nowinski and the "Reflection of Perfection" Mark Jindrak. And that's all from the cranium too, didn't need Google or Wiki.

You are aware that not every ROH match has big spots? Wrestlers in ROH rely on these 'big spots' no more than they do in DragonGate or TNA. No-one criticised Kurt Angle for jumping backwards from a cage during that god-awful match with Jarrett last month, but they jump on the bandwagon whenever ROH is concerned.

It's the same way people dismiss CZW as garbage wrestling without giving it a second glance. There are some very good wrestlers and events, but because the Tournament of Deaths receive more attention than anything else it does, CZW will never get any recognition.

Depends on what you define as 'better'. As a wrestling company, one would assume this means wrestling, but it doesn't. The WWE got big through clever marketing, Vince's aggressive takeover strategy in the 80's and Hullamania. None of those things, particularly the third item, have anything to do with good wrestling.

Yeah, actually I did...SUCKA. :|

I remember the black lads getting a helping hand but cant remember the last two though i admit i haven't really watched smackdown much since the brand split (watched every raw bar 4 though). Your knowledge of Teddy Long and his merry men is pretty fucking good. How many did anything of note in WWE tho? Mark Henry is the longest serving and he's been around so long, doing so little, that his credibility is almost non existent.

Well if you say company after wrestling you have to look at $$$ and then Vince wins hands down. I agree WWE focuses less on wrestling than other companies, whether it be stupid skits, XFL, Tough enough etc but they have the money, money talks and the best wrestlers will want the big paycheck so you have to assume the majority of the best wrestlers are in WWE. ie better matches

In all fairness, there are some really fucking good wrestlers in WWE.

And some we don't know are good because they only get 3 minutes a week to show us. It's an embarrassment of riches really.

Im sure many of us wouldn't lose any sleep if we never saw Mysterio, Kane, Chavo (until recently) etc again but they are as good as it gets in the ring to the point that they are almost flawless

someone is gonna post about Michelle and Layla now right?

LOL, well Nowinski isn't black and neither is Jindrak. Nowinski was the Harvard elitist guy on RAW c. 2003. He never lasted long. Jindrak didn't either but he was the last guy Teddy Managed before becoming GM of SD! in like July of '04.

Kane? really?

Derp :) i mean i remember Teddy helping Rodney, D-Lo, Henry and Rosey but not when he was in charge of Chris and Mark. I really enjoyed Nowinski when he was around but he's quite the bitter ex-wrestler now sadly. Jindrak had a good look but his in ring ability left a lot to be desired. I think he was only hired cos of Vince crushing on big men

For which part? That he's excellent in the ring or that we wouldn't miss his character? I think he's an excellent wrestler especially for his size. Its kinda nice that he's still there but i think he's been around the block enough times now and since the unmasking he's lost a little something that he'l never get back. Not even the unmasking, it might be just the shaved head. He kinda looks like a giant baby at times with that big cueball

HEY!!! We agree on something. So emmm, i dunno, you wanna maybe go out sometime? :)

So does all this positive response prove that people prefer edgy and that this recent PG strangleholds suck? I haven't really payed much attention to WWE since May but this CM Punk "worked shoot" was good stuff, RAW wasn't even that great.. but Punk made me put the volume up and look away from my laptop for 10 minutes.

Not saying I'm gonna go out of way to catch RAW if I have plans, but he did something great last night.

Im pretty sure the entire population over the age of 11 prefers edgy over PG. I suggest you stick to your other plans next monday night, you are way way too cool to be seen watching lame old wrestling

Threads like these are the reason I blocked HBPunk months ago. My life is much more enjoyable because of it.

:rofl:



Where does this "Punk's contract actually ends in September" stuff come from?


The Rock did the same thing and people here ate it up. Different rules for different fools?

If i wanted to i could change IP address, different name etc. Just chill out man. If you read the thread you will see i was spot on with everything i said. Plus this is the most entertaining thread in weeks outside of the Raw ones. Come here and gimme a hug :yes:

1. It was mentioned months ago that his contract was up in the autumn.

2. The Rock is the biggest name in the history of wrestling, i said this in a thread months ago that he has now surpassed Hulk Hogan. I guess its just bias on some people's part. I think Punk's promo easily tops what Rock said on his return. Hell, even Cena's rap responding to Dwayne was better than anything Dwayne said

And when you pull your head out of your ass and listen instead of getting all trolly we can find common ground too :)

Seriously though, what the fuck is this shit?! I get banned 1,001 times and this asshole is accepted?!

Ditto Daddyo

God you are such a tool.

I'd never break plans to watch RAW. Especially a taped RAW. I'd never break plans to watch any TV show in general.

At least he doesn't abuse mod pow-*gets mic cut off*

:rofl: at BDC actually assuming the Indian style position!!!

Aww i know man, Monday at 9-11 is easily the most hectic time of the week for partying. You seem like such an awesome, cool guy i almost feel bad for you that you cant ever get a break what with all your plans. So many plans all the time, you must never rest. TV is only for losers aint it? How do you even get time out from all your crazy hectic plans to come to this site and type anything? Your probably way behind on all your plans for today just for coming here to tell us all about your plans.

I love this angle, it makes it seems like anything could happen. The idea of an ECW 97 style ROH Invasion plagues my mind... Punk, Bryan, perhaps The Kings of Wrestling, fuck the Nexus that is a stable to dominate WWE.

The difference between ROH and ECW was that Heyman was a consultant, and I'm sure that played a HUGE part in getting help from Vince. Plus they had the common enemy in WCW.

Can we help this poor guy? Maybe one of us could volunteer to help him with all his plans? He might never see Raw again even though he's a little too cool to watch it anyway. I know we all have no life so thats why we are free most MONDAY nights but this guy has just too many plans. He could only just lift his head from his laptop for ten mins to watch CM Punk this week, probably making so many plans at the time that he couldn't even watch it properly but he did turn the sound up so at least thats something.

And an ROH invasion would fall flat as 99% of the crowd would be going 'who?'. Hell 99% of the crowd say that when Daniel Bryan comes to the ring now and he's been in the WWE for over a year

Oh absolutely that's a great point. Though on the flip side there isn't anything preventing Punk from being that liaison of sorts. We all hear about Punk being "in the dog house" over the years but let us not forget who listened to Paul Heyman and went to ROH to evaluate Punk, Mister Heart Break Kid and The Game.

At least that was a report online many years ago.

Even more possible I think would be just a more forceful stable coming out featuring some of the guys I listed above but seperating itself from ROH, so perhaps not a proper Invasion of ROH, just Punk building a new Straight Edge Army to combat WWE, Vince, Cena, and as everyone hopes for Triple H.

It's all just my fan boy speculation anyway....

It wouldn't matter if nobody knew who they were, they know Punk, Bryan electrifies the crowd anytime he turns it up past 5, and if they do sign The Kings of Wrestling they would get over on impact (no pun intended).

In my fantasy I guess it wouldn't be an "ROH" invasion to anyone who didn't know ROH, but hardcore fans would obviously make a connection. I'd just have WWE sell it as Punk's indie friends, maybe mention ROH another time or two and then call them The Straight Edge Society.

Even better, have Punk lose by getting a screwjob from Vince ala Montreal or something...

Punk returns as a manager with a new stable featuring Bryan and KOW (who work really well with a good manager IMO) all leading to Punk inevitable showdown with Cena, Game, Austin, or Vince..... I'd fuckin die

KOW are not getting a push that big and fast. Danielson I could see. Maybe throw in Nattie as their valet and another current talent to round it out.

I don't think I'm cool, I just lost some interest (again) and if I watch it, okay cool.. if I don't.... big deal. If something interesting happened I'll read/hear about here. I'm not a hardcore fan, never was. I was never super enthusiastic about this product.

Yesterday I was waiting for a friend to come over and I had RAW in the backround while browsing the net pretty much.


I just rather go out after work now than go home and watch TV. I don't see the big deal here.

so um....why was he in a SCSA t-shirt again?

He's a fan

Could be anything.

Signifying that it's his Austin 3:16 speech.

A nod to the Austin/Punk feud.

Could just be he threw it on in hopes of making people talk and just did it for the lulz.

Punk basically can do no wrong... I wonder how the casual Raw viewer feels about him, do they think he's as cool as we do?

I'm inclined to go with this. Reminds me of the Matt Hardy thing years back.

This is fantastic, I know it's a work but it's so fucking good.

I'm sure some do, but for the most part he's the big evil baddy and Cena is the big good daddy.

Almost...feel like watching to see how this plays out....

MB sighting!

The best part of it is that with the ending and with the suspension, it's going to have everyone guessing "will he be on raw, will he be at money in the bank?" and it'll make them watch.

It's a shoot in the sense that it's his true feelings and maybe he did go a bit too far (though that was apparently the plan), but anyone who thinks that it isn't a worked storyline needs to get their head examined.

He had the permission to go out there and say what needed to be said. IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!

I'm actually tempted to order the PPV now. That's how good Punk is.

A thought: What if he wins MITB, loses the title match and "leaves" with the case? Could be pretty cool having the champ always looking over his shoulder, though never really knowing if Punk is even at the arena.

I know it won't happen (I'm not even sure who's in MITB), but it just came to me so I wanted to throw it out there.

Yeah I thought about that. Like you could have one of the seven participants taken out by Nexus or something during the entrance and have Punk jump the rail and steal the case.

Yeah I was thinking he'd Jack Bauer someone's spot like that to enter.

I don't mean seize a distraction to just take the case, I mean actually winning it for a third time.

If that's what you meant and I misinterpreted, my bad.

Imagine he takes the case with him to NJPW or ROH, or even TNA (would be hilarious to see the reactions on the show, especially live).

It would be ridiculous in any promotion really, but I feel like TNA would go completely over the top with it.

Would make for great TV.

Vince wouldn't want his case thrown away on live TV.

LOL, they'd probably do something like they did with Flair's belt in the WWF and just blur it. That would be fucking hilarious.

Or just make it a black bar.

A black "censored" bar.

If you're talking about The Rock's return promos, I don't think those were anywhere close to the same thing as what Punk did. The Rock kept it within the realm of WWE, talking about Cena and things that anybody who had been watching could have noticed. Punk was talking about John Laurinitis and ROH, and I bet a bunch of people had no idea what the fuck he was talking about.

The Rock never broke the 4th wall.

From JBL's Facebook:

"I haven't watched a wrestling program since well before I left WWE 2+ years ago. Heard about CM Punk's promo and watched it this morning-WOW! That was awesome, as good as I have ever seen. I worked with CM when he first became champ-really enjoyed it and really happy to see what a stud he has become. When you can put doubt as to whether shoot or work-you have done your job very well!"

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It's really true.

He never asked Colt Cobana how he was doing either. Rude.

Maybe they'll have Scotty Goldman on Raw next week to respond to CM Punk's question?

I'd also like to say that I think all of these ROH stable theories are absolutely ridiculous. Pull it together, guys.

CM Punk is MONEY. He's awesome, has the potential to become a Superstar, and the company's #1 heel...

...I never understood why the WWE didn't capitalize on his "SES" stable, when he was talking about being "the savior" etc. If you remember, he also had a memorable role on a recent Royal Rumble (can't remember what year), when he had a long promo that was only interrupted by Punk eliminating whoever came in...that was AWESOME, too...so the potential has always been there.

But WWE never did anything with him until now...they had him feud with Rey and lose his hair, which was dumb.

Why was it dumb?

Would you please stop poorly recapping Punk's WWE tenure and make a damn point, Aguakate?

Because he was perhaps the hottest heel at the time and it made him look weak...kinda took some steam off him.

If it was New Japan, they would care less....ROH, not so sure...TNA, definitely make a big deal.

Punk got some serious heat in that fued. The promo with Rey's family, the mask he wore to cover his baldness.

The thing that derailed the SES was fueding with Big Show and losing in Handicap Matches week after week. That was dumb.

Can't wait for Punk to come back to TNA. The turnaround is in full effect.

Haha CM Punk would probly retire than let fucking hogan and bischoff near his career. That rumble match was two years ago when punk was on the mic for most of the first half of the match, possibly my favourite rumble moment after michaels 1995

No worries dude, you are just discovering girls or pubes or something, happened us all. You are way way too cool for wrestling though.

And TV? TV is probly the all time greatest invention, it is so perfect in every way, so informative, so easy to use, its just the dogs bollocks and the bees knees rolled into one...its the bees bollocks

HBPunk, why are you taking the fact that dp doesn't watch weekly so personally?