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Evil Vito 07-12-2018 11:36 PM

G1's gonna be fucking awesome

slik 07-13-2018 08:22 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G128?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G128</a> <a href="https://t.co/aoKIJiAIUh">pic.twitter.com/aoKIJiAIUh</a></p>&mdash; LARIATOOOO!! (@MrLARIATO) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrLARIATO/status/1017654188954804224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G128?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G128</a> <a href="https://t.co/yhY5lx8NHb">pic.twitter.com/yhY5lx8NHb</a></p>&mdash; LARIATOOOO!! (@MrLARIATO) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrLARIATO/status/1017654629457424384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G128?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G128</a> <a href="https://t.co/KEC7JGBBE7">pic.twitter.com/KEC7JGBBE7</a></p>&mdash; LARIATOOOO!! (@MrLARIATO) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrLARIATO/status/1017654007307948032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G128?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G128</a> <a href="https://t.co/3KuvccWnEc">pic.twitter.com/3KuvccWnEc</a></p>&mdash; LARIATOOOO!! (@MrLARIATO) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrLARIATO/status/1017653399914012673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Innovator 07-13-2018 09:45 AM

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Fignuts 07-13-2018 03:46 PM

Sanada looking like a straight pimp.

Jordan 07-13-2018 04:34 PM

Love that there is such a cool sense of style amongst the NJPW roster. Minus Suzuki lol, bad ass mother fucker.

Evil Vito 07-14-2018 11:26 AM

Holy shit Rocky mentioning that Juice Robinson and Tanga Los are former FCW Tag Team Champions.

Emperor Smeat 07-14-2018 02:36 PM

Jay White must have studied some WWE tapes recently since that low blow to Okada was worthy of Nakamura's seal of approval.

Vastardikai 07-14-2018 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5146241)
Jay White must have studied some WWE tapes recently since that low blow to Okada was worthy of Nakamura's seal of approval.

Or he just learned from Yano.

Evil Vito 07-14-2018 02:50 PM

I based my Survivor pick on the night 1 Main Event unfolding the way it did. Now I find it doesn’t start until tomorrow, and there’s a very real chance he doesn’t eat a pin the rest of the way.

I fucked up.

Purgatory 07-14-2018 04:09 PM

This NJPW stuff is incredible. I've just recently started getting into it.

When the did Juice win that title? Didnt Jay White have it?

Emperor Smeat 07-14-2018 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purgatory (Post 5146253)
This NJPW stuff is incredible. I've just recently started getting into it.

When the did Juice win that title? Didnt Jay White have it?

At last weekend's G1 Special in the US.

Purgatory 07-14-2018 04:34 PM

oh ok. I must not have watched that one. I usually catch their shows on allwrestling.org.

slik 07-15-2018 06:59 AM

<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1531652369"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/8z0ci3/g1_spoilers_kota_ibushi_vs_zack_sabre_jr/">[G1 Spoilers] Kota Ibushi vs Zack Sabre Jr.</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle">r/SquaredCircle</a></blockquote>
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slik 07-15-2018 07:10 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No one scouts an opponent for counters better than <a href="https://twitter.com/zacksabrejr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@zacksabrejr</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G128?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G128</a><br><br>➡️ <a href="https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk">https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk</a> <a href="https://t.co/gqOc4OldvY">pic.twitter.com/gqOc4OldvY</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/1018409257539076096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/zacksabrejr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@zacksabrejr</a> setting the pace. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/G128?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#G128</a><br><br>➡️ <a href="https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk">https://t.co/8n90d75Nfk</a> <a href="https://t.co/u18ey3Rvkf">pic.twitter.com/u18ey3Rvkf</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/1018408127807590400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Evil Vito 07-15-2018 10:52 PM

Sabre/Ibushi and Omega/Naito were outstanding.

Evil Vito 07-15-2018 10:58 PM

I need a fucking cigarette. My god.

slik 07-15-2018 10:59 PM

Compare that with Extreme Rules tonight...

NJPW was night and day better

Jordan 07-16-2018 12:13 AM

ZSJ is quickly becoming my favorite wrestler. He's so unique, odd, comes off so effeminate but always a serious threat to put anyone down for a pin or submission. He is one of a kind for sure.

Jordan 07-16-2018 12:14 AM

NJPW's roster comes off like the early Tekken roster. It's so fucking alive I love it.

Jordan 07-16-2018 12:15 AM

Okay the "CAN'T STOP LOVING" t-shirt is really cool. I'd wear it.

Emperor Smeat 07-16-2018 01:45 AM

Kind of funny when you think about it on how Japanese chairs are pretty much the opposite of Japanese tables. If Japanese tables have the rep of being almost indestructible, Japanese chairs are the complete opposite with how easy it is to break one.

Even with the soft shot by White to Tanahashi during last night's G1 event, the chair still broke apart. Suzuki pretty much goes through chairs like Jarrett does with guitars.

Jordan 07-16-2018 01:56 AM

Yeah tbh they shouldn't really worry about unprotected shots that shit doesn't hurt.

Fignuts 07-16-2018 02:32 AM

Good finishing stretch on Yoshi vs Makabe.

Fignuts 07-16-2018 05:28 AM

Mutoh didn't win the 91 G1 Kelly, you hack.

Jordan 07-16-2018 08:56 AM

Fignuts has no room for error on historical reference! Brutal!

Fignuts 07-16-2018 01:48 PM

Its literally one of the most important matches in NJPW history, figger it out

slik 07-16-2018 01:51 PM

Fignuts has CENA NUFF

...wait that doesn't work in this thread

Fignuts says OKADA BE KIDDING ME!

Fignuts 07-16-2018 01:53 PM

brutal

Fignuts 07-16-2018 09:26 PM

Damn. Already a lot of great matches, as well as unfolding stories. Really liking the Jay White/Chaos stuff. Firing Squad using OG Bullet Club tactics is also cool. Okada 0 for 2 is crazy.

Evil Vito 07-16-2018 10:20 PM

THANK YOU FALE *clap clap clapclapclap*

Evil Vito 07-16-2018 11:28 PM

I thought Okada starting 0-2 had an outside shot of happening simply because I could see him now ripping off 6 or 7 in a row to get to the finals anyway, that's got Gedo's fingerprints all over it.

Suzuki starting 0-2 on the other hand kinda shocks me. Definitely figured he'd go over Makabe who's done a whole lot of nothing this year.

Malfeitor 07-16-2018 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5147148)
ZSJ is quickly becoming my favorite wrestler. He's so unique, odd, comes off so effeminate but always a serious threat to put
anyone down for a pin or submission. He is one of a kind for sure.

I can watch his matches all damn day. He always busts something out that I’ve never seen before.

Evil Vito 07-16-2018 11:48 PM

I'm actually batting 1.000 on watching the full show so far. Having said that, I'm probably gonna be skipping the opening tags fairly soon since I'm not going to have three hours to burn every night.

They're an asset because they build the story for the next set of Block matches, but at the same time they're also pretty formulaic.

Mr. Nerfect 07-17-2018 06:22 PM

I'm about to watch Omega vs. Naito. Kenny not looking like an asshole with his facial expressions.

Emperor Smeat 07-17-2018 06:29 PM

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Mr. Nerfect 07-17-2018 07:01 PM

My thoughts. If you don't want to read them don't read them. They're not positive:

SPOILER: show

* Kevin Kelly doing his best to add to the conflict. Good stuff. Then he goes into the Meltzer scale. These guys are equally matched -- there's a good point there. Don't need to hear "5 and 3/4 stars" being uttered seriously though.

* Who is the third person on commentary? They fucking suck.

* Callis bringing up "7 stars." Fuck off. The goal of wrestling is not to have a good match. Your goal is to hype the product, sure, but hyperbole can make things inaccessible too. "The greatest match of all-time." It wasn't. Get people expecting that and they will be disappointed.

* "Is Kenny Omega the greatest IWGP Heavyweight Champion of all-time?" Fucking hell, Callis is awful.

* Naito charismatic as hell, by the way.

* "You can't escape." That's lame.

* Fuck, he did it twice. Hahahaha.

* Omega's doing the faces now.

* This has been very WWE style so far. Lots of spots that happen for the sake of doing the spots. Naito spat in Omega's face and then turned away. Omega holds up the mats so Naito can jump into him. It's lacking that fight psychology that I'm a huge fan of.

* Kenny with a springboard crossbody into the crowd. It feels like they've done this so many times before though. And indeed commentary points that out. Is there a secret to emotionally investing in this?

* I saw a move I really liked. Omega hit this delayed gutwrench powerbomb. Then that third dick on commentary has to make sure he inserts it's called "The Dr. Wily Bomb" and Callis is such an ass-crawler that he adjusts his call.

* I just can't understand how these string of moves doesn't feel repetitive to people in 2018. This is my exact problem with WWE.

* My thoughts keep going to Ziggler/Rollins. If that match happened in New Japan, it would probably be better. Or if Omega/Naito happened in WWE, it would be considered about on par with that.

* Callis finally makes a good call when he sees Naito's foot hooking the turnbuckle.

* You mean one finisher didn't do it?! No way! Destino is a silly move, by the way. Looks more effort to hit than a normal Reverse DDT.

* Why keep going for a move where you put yourself on the guy's shoulders for his move?

* Hahaha, Naito tried his silly finisher again and got dropped on his head. Maybe he's learnt a lesson?

* I think what bothers me about this spotty style is that when you know the moves are safe, as presumably the audience secretly does, then just doing a move and getting a two count is arbitrary. Anyone can do it. The artistry in a false finish is in knowing when and how to do a move that would normally get a three count yet doesn't. I don't think Kenny Omega has ever won a match with the Jay Driller. Maybe he has, but I don't expect that to be the finish of an Omega/Naito match. This would be like The Rock beating Austin with his Samoan drop.

* If I had to rank the match, and I use a cinematic 1-4 scale, with 4 being great, 3 being good, 2 being average, 1 being bad, and 0 being awful, I'd probably give it **. It really did feel like an "average match" by today's standards. The execution was good, and it did get the crowd into it, but the psychology and the story were just not there, despite Kelly trying to introduce it at the start. There was nothing from Naito or Omega that really added to that.

* I don't think modern wrestling is for me. It feels like TNA's X-Division has taken over the main event and is presented like serious drama instead of popcorn filler. I've watched a bit of 90's Japan recently, and the emotion and the drama hooked me instantly. It felt like there were great stakes. You hear that Japanese crowds are quiet. Not so when watching the stuff they really care about. None of that drama was mined here. This was a WWE-style match with WWE-style commentary. The presentation was great. It felt like they wanted it to have a sporting environment, but the sporting psychology was just not there. Most of the things (not everything) they did was crisp, but I just can't get into guys hitting obscure drivers and then being surprised when they don't get the win when there hasn't been at least two finishers in 2018. I really want New Japan to succeed, but it feels like more of the same. I don't think it's for me.

Innovator 07-17-2018 07:22 PM

Callis’s whole gimmick is being an Omega fanboy Noid

Innovator 07-17-2018 07:23 PM

I want Fale to win everything

Vastardikai 07-17-2018 09:12 PM

My thing with Naito is that he is what Omega thinks he is: a cool heel.

That said I want to set Jackyl on fire, figuratively. Or be meaner and lock him in a cage with Suzuki.

Mr. Nerfect 07-18-2018 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 5148059)
Callis’s whole gimmick is being an Omega fanboy Noid

Oh, I can get that with the horrible backstories he gave him. It doesn't make it bearable.


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