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dronepool 08-30-2011 02:04 AM

http://www.fastcompany.com/1775787/d...?partner=gnews

It's the most iconic title in the DC Comics canon. When the original Action Comics #1 debuted in 1938, it featured the first appearance of Superman and is regarded as the first superhero comic. It's also the most expensive--last year, #1 commanded $1 million on the auction block.

On Sept. 7, DC Comics will launch the revamped Action Comics, written by veteran comics auteur Grant Morrison--hot off his lauded new book, Supergods. Morrison has the superhuman task of reinventing one of the comic world's--and popular culture's--biggest characters for the 21st century, and, in the process, trying to write a new chapter for the struggling comic book publishing industry.

"I felt the weight of history with this one," says Morrison in his soft-spoken Glaswegian lilt. "I wanted to do something that was as much a part of these times as when (Action Comics) first came out. Superman has always been the champion of the oppressed. I wanted to move away from the standard superhero tales and in the direction of folk tales in the vein of a Paul Bunyan."

In the revised version, featuring art by Rags Morales (penciling), Rick Bryant (inking), Brad Anderson (color) and Patrick Brosseau (lettering), Morrison pares down the convoluted narrative that began overshadowing the Superman myth. "It had become a pro-wrestling contest between characters-- who was stronger, faster, bigger," he says. "I wanted to evoke a more universal human Superman, who was less of a costumed figure representing patriotic authority, and more about struggles on the street."

The exclusive page 18 panel shown above is the first major shot of the Man of Steel transitioning to alter ego Clark Kent--sans his trademark horn-rimmed glasses--after thwarting trouble in Metropolis. Superman's fighting crime, of course, but the authorities are suspicious of his powers. He's misunderstood. He's different.

The Action Comics overhaul is part of DC's 52-title, issue 1, day-and-date publishing reboot that kicks off Aug. 31 with Justice League by writer/DC Entertainment Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns and artist/DC Comics Co-Publisher Jim Lee. The remaining titles will be released throughout September as a way to combat an overall trend in waning comic book sales and attract a new generation of readers through modernized characters and storylines.

The first six issues of the new Action Comics delve into the origin and evolution of Superman's costume from a makeshift blue jeans and "S-emblem" T-shirt to the blue bodysuit, redesigned by Jim Lee and the source of much fanboy hand-wringing. The one constant is the red cape: "It came with him from his home planet and is indestructible," says Morrison. "No one's depicted it as a security blanket before, protecting him from all harm. It gives it a fairytale feel, before his powers fully develop."

For all of his current enthusiasm, Morrison was initially apprehensive about taking on the assignment when DC Comics Co-Publisher Dan DiDio called at the beginning of this year.

"I wasn't too sure about it," he says. "I was already doing Batman. But I had some ideas about Superman's early years that I'd never had a chance to use. He's initially more of a blue collar, rough-and-ready character who has to grapple with developing superpowers and what it means to be Superman. He's the son of brilliant scientists from this other planet, but he grew up baling hay and working in a convenience store, which is where he gets his morals."

Just as the first Action Comics premiered against the backdrop of the Great Depression, imminent technological advancements like television, and the rise of Nazi Germany, Morrison wanted to tap the zeitgeist of current economic and global turbulence, as well as infuse his foreigner's perspective of America to into Clark Kent's alien acclimation to humans.

"I'm definitely aware of the current atmosphere, and have addressed that, not in drawing from the headlines, but symbolically dealing with combating a sense of existential terror," says Morrison. "Sometimes a perspective from the outside enables you to see the best of what America has to offer."

Serendipitously, Morrison's work on his memoir/cultural history of superheroes, Supergods: What Masked Vigilantes, Miraculous Mutants, and a Sun God from Smallville Can Teach Us About Being Human (Spiegel & Grau), helped codify Morrison's thoughts on Superman.

"The original Action Comics is a piece of art in its own right and way ahead of its time," says Morrison. "It helped me to use the concept of superhero to change the idea about self and culture from doom and pessimism to hope and possibility."

Rammsteinmad 08-30-2011 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 3615841)
Doomsday sucks. Get over it.

No, you get over it.

Nowhere Man 08-30-2011 05:43 PM

So Superman is basically Spider-Man now (fighting street-level bad guys, misunderstood by the authorities, bitches and moans about how his powers make him different), only with a security blankie for a cape. No thank you.

LuigiD 08-31-2011 09:24 AM

First reviews for JLA are coming in. They tend to be generally positive. Some disappointment since the media hyped it up so much but in general appears to be a decent read.

Lock Jaw 08-31-2011 11:36 AM

Man of Steel pictures:



WTF is this shit? Just terrible.

LuigiD 08-31-2011 11:41 AM

lol reminds me of Spider-Man.

Kalyx triaD 08-31-2011 12:38 PM

I like it. Sorta addresses my issues with the lack of yellow. Also seems like a reserved Micheal Turner variant, which is A-OK to me.

I like the suit.

Funky Fly 08-31-2011 01:53 PM

Well, fuck. I really wish they'd stop fucking with certain costumes "just because". Like, I can understand with X-Men because they change costumes all the time, but fucking hell, Green Lantern, Superman and Spider-Man have iconic costumes. Leave them alone, plz. [/rant]

Kalyx triaD 08-31-2011 02:25 PM

Compared to GL and Spidey, Superman lucked out. Spidey looks weird and GL was a fucking mess.

Fox 08-31-2011 02:25 PM

I just don't know. I'm going to reserve total judgment until I see it on film. But I still hold to my original sentiment that removing the red underwear is an unnecessary change. I'm also not a big fan of the look of his "belt" either, considering it doesn't even connect all the way around and isn't actually doing anything other than being a design element.

Again, I'm sure it will look awesome on screen, but right now, I'm in the "WTF" group at Snyder's decision to change the suit so drastically.

Reavant 08-31-2011 07:18 PM

damn a jacked superman in film

Kalyx triaD 08-31-2011 08:35 PM

Yeah, impressive... form.

Captain of Fun 09-01-2011 01:35 AM

That costume looks stupid.

Eveything in the last few pages of this thread looks stupid, in fact.

Reavant 09-01-2011 08:43 AM

your not being very fun there captain

Captain of Fun 09-01-2011 01:23 PM

You're not being very reavantist.

Whatever that is.

Reavant 09-01-2011 01:35 PM

yawn

Jura 09-01-2011 01:38 PM

Captain Planet could take Superman.

McLegend 09-01-2011 02:00 PM

Please I could beat Captain Planet.

Not just because he is a fictional character, but all is what I would need to do is literally throw my trash at him. He wouldn't stand a chance.

Jura 09-01-2011 03:08 PM

That pretty much how it is for Superman and kryptonite.

Nowhere Man 09-01-2011 03:09 PM

Yeah, but it's a lot easier to find litter than Kryptonite.

Jura 09-01-2011 04:18 PM

They sell them at the supermarkets these days.

Kalyx triaD 09-02-2011 12:19 AM

http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uplo...03-450x704.jpg

Lock Jaw 09-02-2011 12:19 AM

Terrible

Kalyx triaD 09-02-2011 01:01 AM

The Dark Knight Rises is probably gonna run laps around The Avengers box office wise, but sometimes I wonder what could have been if WB was happy with Superman Returns and Green Lantern wasn't a hack job and Joss Whedon got to do Wonder Woman. We'd probably have a proper Justice League by now, even earlier than Avengers.

And screw that mess they tried to pull years ago. That's not how team-ups work.

Nowhere Man 09-02-2011 01:17 AM

Superman: Ribbed for Her Pleasure!

Also, Clark's giant crotch bulge now really emphasizes the need to put a pair of shorts over that thing; he seriously looks naked without them. And what's the point of having a belt buckle if you don't actually have a belt to go with it? It's like they realized they need something in that region to break up the monotone blue tights, but couldn't bring themselves to put the trunks or belt back on, so they tacked on a non-fucntional belt buckle as a placeholder.

Oh, and while I'm at it, he's got Wonder Woman bracelets now, and the whole suit has the texture of a golf ball. Your new hero, ladies and gentlemen.

Lock Jaw 09-02-2011 01:56 AM

He's also got a bad haircut. :shifty:

Rammsteinmad 09-02-2011 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 3619131)
And screw that mess they tried to pull years ago. That's not how team-ups work.

What's this all about?

Lock Jaw 09-02-2011 10:48 AM

They had a live Justice League movie in the works a few years back.

LuigiD 09-02-2011 10:53 AM

Are you talking about this one? :rofl:
<iframe width="420" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_oBe9m9Q5eU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Lock Jaw 09-02-2011 11:25 AM

No, more recent attempt.

LuigiD 09-02-2011 11:39 AM

I know. I was just messing.
The new one sounded like an epic clusterfuck. Just..was being terribly planned. Glad it flunked to be honest.

Lock Jaw 09-02-2011 06:17 PM

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

Justice League #1

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The story takes place "Five Years Ago". It seems as if superheroes are pretty new and people don't trust them yet.

Batman runs around being chased by the police, while chasing somebody. Green Lantern shows up and behaves like an arrogant smug asshole, while Batman acts like a gritty arrogant superior asshole. Seems like the first time they have ever met. Batman naturally owns Green Lantern in like two seconds with a feat that would have been impossible in the old DC Universe.

Then they decide to go fight Superman because he is an alien.

All in all, pretty terrible debut for this new universe.

Also, not sure how this "Five years" thing is going to work. Because five years is a short time for in the present having all the history of Green Lantern and Batman intact. Batman averaging around a Robin a year or something.

Captain of Fun 09-03-2011 05:20 AM

Batman sounds like his All Star counterpart.

Don't know why they didn't just expand that universe.

The Destroyer 09-03-2011 08:42 AM

I read it, it was alright.

Everyone seemed like an arsehole though.

Rammsteinmad 09-03-2011 01:52 PM

I've read a lot of DC comics over the years, but I'm certainly now expert when it comes to the Distinguished Competition: don't DC do stuff like this every few years? Reboots? Some kinda 'Crisis' etc? 'Starting over'? That kinda thing...

Captain of Fun 09-03-2011 02:08 PM

Not this drastic.

Nowhere Man 09-03-2011 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain of Fun (Post 3620115)
Batman sounds like his All Star counterpart.

Don't know why they didn't just expand that universe.

Because All-Star Batman was garbage.

Nowhere Man 09-03-2011 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 3620303)
I've read a lot of DC comics over the years, but I'm certainly now expert when it comes to the Distinguished Competition: don't DC do stuff like this every few years? Reboots? Some kinda 'Crisis' etc? 'Starting over'? That kinda thing...

They do tend to use their big 'event' stories as an excuse to clean house a bit, retconning an origin here or there, but they've only done a mass reboot like this once before, back during the original Crisis on Infinite Earths. And even then, they all at least had pretty much the same costumes post-Crisis. This is the first time they've gone out of their way to do a complete clean break from the established DC mythos.

Lock Jaw 09-07-2011 02:13 PM

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

Action Comics #1


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Wow. Just wow. How someone can get Superman so WRONG is beyond me.

Once again, this comic takes place in the "past". Superman only appeared six months ago.

Our first introduction to Superman comes with him bursting into a room-full of businessmen and proclaiming "Rats. Rats with money. And rats with guns. I'm your worst nightmare."

He is drawn as a shadowy figure who has perpetual glowing red eyes. He proceeds to intimidate one of the businessmen into a confession of using illegal cheap labour.

Meanwhile, the police are trying to get Superman to stand down/bring him in. Superman ignores them and tells them that they should "deal with the real criminal scum in this city, and then you won't need me to do it for you".

Rest of the issue is largely spent with him running away from the police and then the military/Luthor.

Generally, the whole issue feels like Superman trying to be Batman.

Absolutely terrible.

dronepool 09-07-2011 02:26 PM

I can't wait to get my copy, I know you don't like the way he's writing him, but remember this is still an early, naive Supes... and I love Morrison so I know I'll dig it.

Lock Jaw 09-07-2011 09:38 PM

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

Batgirl #1


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Alright. Gotta admit, I liked this one.

Barbara Gordon is back in action. The Killing Joke is still in continuity, and she was still in a wheelchair. Thanks to "a miracle" she is now up and walking again. Naturally, she puts back on the Batgirl suit (which looks kinda armored now. Not the best, but not the worst either).

We see that she is rusty, and that the psychological effects of being shot still get to her. Especially now that she is putting herself in the line of fire again.

All in all, a good read.


Justice League International #1

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Another one I enjoyed. Always liked books/characters with an international feel to them.

The team isn't quite there yet, but shows potential for growth. Feels like it could be a "fun" book. Enjoyed it much more than regular Justice League.

Biggest nitpick is that Booster Gold's redesign is pretty lame. Plus no sign of Skeets, his robot pal.


Swamp Thing #1

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So this seems to be one of the titles that did not get a reboot at all. Seems to pick up pretty much where Brightest Day and the Brightest Day Aftermath series left off.

Alec Holland is alive again and trying to move on with his life, but of course it seems that he can't. Meanwhile, other mysterious stuff is happening. Also, Superman shows up for a conversation and pisses me off with the way he looks.

Not that much happens in the issue, but it is just enough to keep me interested.


Detective Comics #1

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Pretty good. Not much to say about this one. Pretty "shocking" ending. Definitely has my interest.

One thing I am noticing, between this and Batgirl, Commissioner Gordon seems a bit younger. No white hair anymore. Or maybe he got some Just For Men.


Stormwatch #1

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A bunch of characters from the now defunct Wildstorm universe are being introduced to the DC Universe with this one. Despite the Stormwatch name, the characters within seem to be more from The Authority rather than any Stormwatch I am familiar with (which, to be fair, is not much).

In fact, I am not really familiar with these characters at all. So I was kinda confused reading the issue. Not really a good intro for anybody who doesn't know these people already.

Only character I am familiar with is Martian Manhunter, who is apparently part of the team. He has a pretty "meh" redesign, but it is still better than his "One Year Later" redesign. His personality seems like it is more "cold" and uhhh... "gritty".

Anyways, I feel like I can't really judge this series yet. It seems like it could go either way.


O.M.A.C. #1

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Pretty much what you would expect it to be. The series that no one asked for. Featuring a pretty lame re-imagining of the Cadmus Project. Seems like the gist of this series is dude gets periodically transformed into a robot by Brother Eye, and does its bidding. Definitely gonna be one of the first on the chopping block.


Animal Man #1

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Pretty great actually. Probably my favorite of the bunch so far. Really interested in this series and where it goes. I don't even mind Animal Man's new costume. For those not familiar with Animal Man, what made him great is the family dynamic. He is a married man with two kids. Seems like nothing much has changed in that regard.

Kalyx triaD 09-08-2011 11:03 AM

Just a note, not a reply to anybody in particular:

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 3623915)
If you are going to put pictures in here... Can you please put spoiler tags on it? Now in the [any specific movie] thread you can do what you want, because that's the thread and if I go in there and I procede at my own risk

And it is law.

LuigiD 09-08-2011 01:03 PM

Got the chance to read some of the DC books..
Liked JLA..it is interesting. While the hardcore fans of Superman are angry, I kinda like what they are doing with the character. Perhaps it will evolve as some have pointed out. I feel like he was given the "edge" he was always missing to me.

Nowhere Man 09-08-2011 01:49 PM

That's the whole fucking point of Superman. He's not an angry 'badass' character like everyone else. He doesn't break in, insult people, and threaten them with his death-ray eyes. He's the guy you can actually trust, the guy you want leading the team because you know he's going to do the right thing.

I guess I should reserve judgment til I actually read it, but the idea of him just being Batman with a different costume really, really annoys me. DCnU's got too much Batman as it is.

LuigiD 09-08-2011 08:01 PM

Don't get me wrong, I understand why people like the old Superman the way he was. To me tho, that is not enough. I don't believe that there is "good guys" for the sake of being good. I am interested to see where the character goes. Who knows, maybe at this point he is just "immature".

Lock Jaw 09-08-2011 08:09 PM

I get the point that it is a young and brash Supes in Action Comics, but still... For Action Comics #1... for any kids just getting into it... their first impression of Superman should not be dark and gritty.

dronepool 09-08-2011 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3624336)
I get the point that it is a young and brash Supes in Action Comics, but still... For Action Comics #1... for any kids just getting into it... their first impression of Superman should not be dark and gritty.

I love it, but yeah I see what you mean but Morrison always wanted to write Golden Age Superman and this fist arc is his chance, after issue 6, it'll be up to modern times and we'll probably get a similar Supes, just maybe a bit more gritty because his parents died earlier now... I guess it's all depending on writer, but anyway, isn't dark and gritty all the rage for kids these days?

Maybe the regular Superman title will be more like the Clark we know? We'll see.

Nowhere Man 09-09-2011 03:10 AM

Okay, so my morbid curiosity finally got the better of me. Rather than just take other people's word for it, I went out and actually grabbed a copy of Action 1. After what Lock Jaw said, I went in fully expecting to hate it.

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And I ended up really, really liking it.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't start off well. If there was a great big list of Things Superman Should Never Ever Say, "I'm your worst nightmare" would be right up at the top, along with calling people "rats" and threatening them with his laser eyes. That really rubbed me the wrong way.

However, once I got past that initial bit where Morrison apparently forgot he wasn't writing Batman, things do start to find their groove. Since the first arc of Action Comics is apparently them doing Golden Age-era stuff, I liked a lot of the nods they made to it, like referencing him roughing up a wifebeater and knocking around Nazis (well, Neo-Nazis in this case). The fact that Clark Kent's working at the Daily Star instead of the Daily Planet is another nice Golden Age homage, and it sets up a nice rivalry between Clark and Lois Lane, as well as some interesting stuff for Jimmy Olsen, as he works with Lois but has been best friends with Clark since he moved into Metropolis.

The comic itself moves at a really fast pace, but still manages to put in a lot of detail, hitting the major points of what's been going on in Clark's life and what Metropolis is like. Rags Morales' artwork is solid on the whole, but some of the faces look a little weird at points (Luthor's face is way too round IMO). And while the dialogue can be really grating here and there (again, "I'm your worst nightmare"....ugh.), the way everything's laid out still makes it a good read.

I still don't like the whole T-shirt and blue jeans look, but it does make sense if Superman's just starting out, and doesn't have access to the Fortress of Solitude or anything to make a proper suit. He seems a lot more utilitarian, and to be honest, it does make a little more sense that he'd be able to just hide the shirt under Clark's everyday clothes. I'm still hoping that he'll be wearing the proper tights and trunks at some point in between his 'mean streets' look and that stupid fucking armor Jim Lee made.

Character-wise, Superman's a little rough around the edges, again, more like he was in the late 30s and early 40s. It's actually a nice way to add some of those 'flaws' that so many non-fans complain about him needing, without making him a whiny selfish bitch like he was in Earth-One. Superman's cocky, overconfident, and has a pretty nasty temper, which is getting him on the bad side of the law and the military, and bull-headed enough that he'll charge right into whatever situation without knowing or even caring that it's a trap. That said, he's still going out of his way to save innocent people without needing some selfish motivation to do it, so at his core he's still Superman. Again, not exactly the Big Blue Boy Scout, but I'm assuming over the course of the comic we'll see him grow up and become a more genuine hero.

Keeping in line with the Golden Age stuff, his powers are pretty limited-- he can't fly yet, and his invulnerability hasn't really kicked in, so he's only just 'really goddamn tough.' I've stated time and time again that I don't like watered-down Superman; I like my Superman big and ridiculous and over-the-top, having to solve even bigger and more ridiculous crises. However, for the purposes of starting a new ongoing series, I do think it's a step in the right direction for them to ratchet that down a bit and have him grow back into it over time. If anything, it'll be a way to silence non-fans who bitch and gripe about how he's "too powerful."

I really liked the use of Lex Luthor in this issue, too, the way they're already establishing him as a major player in Metropolis and as a credible threat to Superman. It was also really refreshing to see Lex manage to incapacitate Supes without immediately resorting to Kryptonite or red solar rays.

All in all, I ended up reading Action Comics #1 three times today. The first time was me poring through it as the outraged fan looking for things to nitpick and get angry at. The second time was when I'd calmed down a bit, digested what I'd read, and then came back to it a little more objectively. The third time I read it just because I liked it so much the second time that I wanted to read it again. No, it's not the Superman that I've read and loved for years......at least not yet. But it is an entertaining comic, one that has an awful lot of potential to grow into a genuinely great series.

I wanted to hate this comic, I really did. I wanted to be mad and outraged and offended by how badly they got everything wrong, and therefore be justified for hating the DCU reboot from the word go. And from the reviews I've read of some of the other books, I'm still not sold on DCnU as a whole. But at the very least, Action Comics has sold me on it. It may be Superman For People Who Don't Like Superman, but instead of trying to turn him into something he never was (Smallville, Earth One), Morrison's instead brought back the spirit of the original Superman and put him in a modern setting. It's like watching one of the old Max Fleischer Superman cartoons, just with new clothing. It's not quite the iconic demigod character I wanted, but it is quite a bit of fun.

I still hate the fucking costumes, though.

Captain of Fun 09-09-2011 05:13 AM

http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/...ysnatchers.jpg

LuigiD 09-09-2011 09:40 AM

Interesting story:
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/r.../news/?a=46098

Religious comic store owners are boycotting Action Comics #1.

dronepool 09-09-2011 12:55 PM

lol, "GD" could mean anything. Out of all the 'blasphemous ' stuff other comics tend to have, this is nothing. This is just a gimmick to get their store a 'plug'.

Nowhere Man 09-09-2011 11:10 PM

I thought it was just him grunting.

Lock Jaw 09-11-2011 02:25 PM

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

The remaining Week 1 titles:

Batwing #1

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When announced, I immediately thought this series as superfluous as and and as screaming desperately "HEY EVERYBODY!! LOOK HOW DIVERSE WE ARE! LOOK!".

I did actually enjoy it though. I don't see this book lasting, but it could be cool for awhile.


Green Arrow #1

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Seems really different. Ollie seems younger, and less "world weary". New costume isn't bad. I don't mind him losing his trademark beard and stache either.

He seems to have a support team of tech people. He also still has some sort of job with Queen Industries.

He makes some comments in the issue, that make me question whether his origin has changed some or not.

Overall, not a terrible book... but not great either. Perfectly average.


Hawk & Dove #1

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To be honest, I have never really cared for these characters. The Rob Liefield art in this book certainly did not help. Nevertheless, it was not terrible.

Continuity is confusing though. For some reason, Hawk does not really like Dove anymore. He misses his brother, the previous Dove, who died during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. So, I guess that story still happened in some way.

Brightest Day also seems to have happened in someway, because the Dawn and Deadman thing is present.

Anyways, not a terrible book. Still, I just don't enjoy these characters.


Men of War #1

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Pretty meh. As the title suggests, this is an "army comic". Main character seems to be a descendant of Sgt. Rock.

Pretty much jumped the shark as a war comic already, when some flying, super fast, and super strong Metahuman appeared. Was hoping for something more "realistic" out of this book.

It could still turn out to be good, I guess, but I don't see it lasting.


Static Shock #1

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First of all, his new costume is pretty terrible looking. Second, I admit to not being TOO familiar with Static but... he seems to have changed.

Seems less awkward and nerdy and more "I'm a genius, but I'm also in high school".

Anyways, did not really care for this issue.

Lock Jaw 09-11-2011 02:32 PM

Ranking the First Week:

1) Animal Man
2) Batgirl
3) Justice League International
4) Detective Comics
5) Swamp Thing
6) Batwing
7) Action Comics
8) Justice League
9) Stormwatch
10) Green Arrow
11) Hawk and Dove
12) Static Shock
13) O.M.A.C.
14) Men of War

The Destroyer 09-11-2011 02:41 PM

I can see several of this week's titles being cancelled pretty quickly.

Boondock Saint 09-11-2011 05:00 PM

Animal Man was definitely the best of the ones I read (Action, Stormwatch, JLI, JL, Detective)

I've read really good things about Swamp Thing so I'm probably going to pick that up. I do like Scott Snyder, his Detective Comics was great and am looking forward to his new run on Batman.

Lock Jaw 09-14-2011 07:30 PM

Lock Jaw "Reviews" The New 52

Week #2

Superboy #1


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Overall, a terrible first issue. He has lost every piece of character development he has ever had and is starting off fresh. As in freshly cloned by something called N.O.W.H.E.R.E.

Instead of attempting to make him interesting, Superboy lives in a tube/lab and is all alienated and non-human acting.

In the end, looks like they are gonna sick him on the Teen Titans.

I guess this book could improve down the line, since it is literally a blank slate right now.

I just don't get why they used Cadmus in the OMAC book and not for this one.


Batman and Robin #1

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Hmmm... I have to say... Something feels "off". I just don't like the interaction between Bruce and Damien as partners. I think Damien was a much better foil for Dick Grayson. I have faith that I will grow to like it though.

This did get me thinking though... once again about the confusing continuity. If Batman only appeared five years or so ago... how could Damien even be that old? Unless in the new continuity he was conceived while Bruce was around the world training.

Anyways, the whole Batman Incorporated thing seems to still be in continuity as well.


Deathstroke #1

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Whole issue is basically to set up that this guy is a badass. And it works. Might be even a bit too badass for my liking. Also has some mystery going on, that leaves you wanting to know more. On the surface of it, his costume redesign looked very bad, bulked up with armour and spikes, but in action it kind of works in the new tone. I don't really think it was necessary though.

Overall, of course, I think the character was better before the reboot... but was not complete garbage now either.


Frankenstein - Agent of S.H.A.D.E. #1

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I have never really cared for the Frankenstein character or, the whole S.H.A.D.E. thing. Anyways, this comic is basically all about monsters and creatures.

I still don't really care for S.H.A.D.E. and the return of the Father Time character who I really did not like. This time Father Time seems to be a little girl though. Whatever.

Only thing that is really keeping me interested in this book is that Ray Palmer is in it. Apparently he has not become The Atom yet, but he IS an expert in shrinking stuff, and science in general.

Also, the writer is a good writer, so he might be able to sway my opinion on the book.


Suicide Squad #1

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Slutty Harley Quinn. Terrible redesigned Deadshot. King Shark. Some new(maybe) characters. The concept is pretty much the same. Villains in jail do time on the Suicide Squad to reduce their sentences.

Other than all the terrible redesigns (including a young and skinny, possibly slutty, Amanda Waller), it could be "decent".


Resurrection Man #1

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I really enjoyed this one. Gist of it is that Mitch Shelley resurrects every time he dies. Each time he does so, he comes back with a different power, and a compulsion to do something. He seems to be hunted by one or more groups, because his soul is "overdue" or "powerful" or something. Yeah. I liked it. Makes me want to read the original series from the 90s. Same writers. Plus I heard good things about the 90s series. Looking forward to more of this one.


Legion Lost #1

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A bunch of Legion of Super-Heroes members follow some baddie back in time and wind up stuck there. They could have at least given them one of the bigger names of the bunch. I bet the rest of the Legion are sitting in the future, chillin', not even noticing that half these guys are gone. Anyways, nothing special. Not terrible, but nothing special.


Green Lantern #1

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Unaffected by the reboot at all. Continuing directly from War of the Green Lanterns. I guess as one of the men in charge of the reboot, Geoff Johns can do whatever he wants. I'm not complaining though, Green Lantern was "the goods" before the reboot. Just absurd how it is the only one that doesn't change a SINGLE THING.


Red Lanterns #1

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I do not really see the point of giving the Red Lanterns their own series, but here it is... and it is good. Once again, picking up from War of the Green Lanterns. Atrocitus is already getting more fleshed out rather than just being ANGRY DUDE. They seem to be going in the direction of making him into a Spectre-type character. Vengeance and all that. I hope the other Red Lanterns get some more personality as well.


Grifter #1

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Another character coming over from the Wildstorm universe, that I know nothing about. This seems to be an origin story at least. Cole Cash is a con man, or "grifter", if you will. Something mysterious happened to him and now he hears voices in his head and the people whose voices they are are trying to kill him or something. Ok. Didn't really find it anything special, but I will give it a chance.


Done for now.

Nowhere Man 09-15-2011 07:59 PM

And now the second opinions from NM:

Batman and Robin-
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Y'know, I really don't like Damian as Robin, especially not while Bruce is Batman. With the proper Batman back in the cowl, you really need a foil to lighten the mood. Damian worked while Dick was Batman, because you had the interesting role-reversal of Batman being the lighter character with Robin as the brooding violent sociopath. Now you've just got the brooding violent sociopath and the other brooding violent sociopath. That, and if they're really going to keep Batman's whole continuity basically unchanged except for compressing time, then that means he's gone through 1 Robin basically every year or two, and that really doesn't look good for him. The plot wasn't much to speak of, as this was basically just them showing how the new Dynamic Duo works.....but to me, the new Dynamic Duo doesn't work. Perhaps it'll grow on me, but I'm seriously missing Tim as Robin right now.


Superboy-
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I'm iffy on this one. I quite liked Red, and the portrayal of Superboy is interesting. Very nice character piece, but like SJ, I think they're trying too hard to plow through his development to shove him into the Teen Titans. Also, the N.O.W.H.E.R.E. organization really should have been Cadmus, and I believe they would have been if DiDio hadn't called dibs on them for OMAC. And I'm a little confused on the continuity-- in Swamp Thing they alluded to the fact that Superman already died and came back, but Superboy was a pretty integral part of the Return arc. So, Death of Superman happened, but Reign of the Supermen didn't, I guess?


Batwoman-
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I've never read Batwoman before because I have never given a tinker's damn about Batwoman (you've already got Batgirl, who's more famous, more interesting, and has a much better costume to boot), and this didn't really do anything to change my mind. Very talky book, without much to make her stand out from the more interesting Bat-characters.


Deathstroke-
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The artwork is very nice, and the supporting characters were actually fairly entertaining (which makes it all the more disappointing that they're casually killed off at the end). Unfortunately, as hard as they're trying to make Deathstroke super-cool and badass and whatnot, he's actually the least interesting character in his own book. Grimace, say a 'badass' one-liner, kill some people, continue grimacing. He's Batman with a body count and without character development.


Green Lantern-
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I didn't read Brightest Day or War of the Green Lanterns, so I'm a little lost as to how Hal's ring ended up on Sinestro. However, once you get into it, it's actually quite entertaining. The 'down-and-out Hal' stuff may be trying a little too hard to dump misfortune in his lap in order to make him more relatable than his usual self, but honestly it works. And Sinestro is as awesome as ever, so that's nice. While I'm a little annoyed that folks like Superman are getting rebuilt from the ground-up but the convoluted and often difficult-to-follow GL mythos is left completely intact, this is as good a place as any to jump on.


Red Lanterns-
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I don't really get the point of the Red Lanterns getting their own book, but at least they're trying to make it work. Atrocitus is basically the Spectre in space now, using his rage powers to become an instrument of vengeance, but the rest of the Red Lanterns still seem to just be snarling monster-people with very little to differentiate themselves from the Sinestro Corps.


Frankenstein, Agent of S.H.A.D.E.-
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I'd never read Frankenstein before, but this one did hook me. It reminded me an awful lot of Hellboy, and I loves me some Hellboy. This should be a very entertaining creature comic.


Demon Knights-
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Pretty mediocre title, to be honest. They do an awful lot of name-dropping and just kind of expect you to already know who most of these people are, which isn't good if you're a new reader or just never paid attention to DC's sword-and-sorcery stuff. Not as bad as Hawk and Dove (at least the artwork's decent), but definitely one of the weaker books I've read so far.


Legion Lost-
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I know next to nothing about any of these characters, and they didn't do a good job explaining who any of them were, what they could do, how they ended up here, or really anything to get me to care about what was going on. It just expects you to have already read Flashpoint (or their tie-in, more likely) without anything to clue you in on the proceedings. So, yeah, I couldn't bring myself to care about this book at all; it just felt like padding so they could bring the list of books up to the magic '52' they were looking for.


Grifter-
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Interesting premise, a con-artist being stalked by some sort of demons that possess people to attack him. His costume looks like a D-list Image hero, though. Overall, not a bad comic, but I'm not sure if it's solid enough to keep me coming back for more.


Mr. Terrific-

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Pretty entertaining comic, does a good job of setting him up as a solo hero instead of just "that guy who's on the JSA." I'm a sucker for super-science heroes, and he's definitely one of DC's better ones. I didn't really fall in love with it, but I liked it just fine.


Resurrection Man-
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Very cool comic, one that I hope sticks around. This is how you get people hooked on a character they haven't read before.


Suicide Squad-
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There is absolutely no excuse for Harley Quinn to have been redesigned that badly. Seriously, she looks like a biker's tattoo; whoever green-lit that should be ashamed of themselves. Overall, the comic doesn't really do anything new, but I guess sets up the basics of how the Squad works. The writing's serviceable, but I can't get past how trashy Harley looks, and when that's the most memorable thing your book has to offer, you're in trouble.


All in all, Week 2 of the New 52 was pretty weak compared to Week 1. A lot of comics that just felt unnecessary, and comics that expect you to have read everything leading up to the 'reboot' to understand what's going on (which, again, is counterintuitive to the whole premise of the new universe) Some surprisingly good books in it, that I'm sure will be sleeper hits, but overall I felt a lot of what came out this week was just padding.

Captain of Fun 09-16-2011 12:51 AM

I don't understand how some character continuities changed and others haven't. How does that work?

Lock Jaw 09-16-2011 01:10 AM

A wizard did it.

Or some lady in a red cloak who appeared in Flashpoint #5, and has thus far appeared in every New 52 comic somewhere lurking in the background of a panel.

Fox 09-16-2011 03:13 AM

Not to be a dick, but isn't this thread supposed to be about DC "movie" news? Not DC Comic book news? \\

Just saying.

Juan 09-16-2011 03:41 AM

I think that ship sailed about 40 pages ago

Captain of Fun 09-16-2011 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox (Post 3629756)
Not to be a dick, but isn't this thread supposed to be about DC "movie" news? Not DC Comic book news? \\

Just saying.

(insert hilarious "deal with it" gif here)

Lock Jaw 09-16-2011 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox (Post 3629756)
Not to be a dick, but isn't this thread supposed to be about DC "movie" news? Not DC Comic book news? \\

Just saying.

I have said multiple times that this, and the Marvel Movie News thread, should have their titles changed. No one listens. So I discuss more than movies anyways. I AM A REBEL.

XL 09-16-2011 01:14 PM

I second Lock Jaw's Mission To Change The Thread Names.

Kalyx triaD 09-16-2011 02:10 PM

DC Comics Thread

Marvel Comics Thread

4yrs strong.

Lock Jaw 09-16-2011 02:12 PM

As the original poster, can you not change the thread title?

Kalyx triaD 09-16-2011 02:21 PM

Not after this long. You can change titles for a few days after you start a thread than it's locked. Only a mod can change them at any time, and TPWW mods are suspect.

Lock Jaw 09-16-2011 03:37 PM

Finishing up my Week 2:

Batwoman #1

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I've been waiting for this one to come out for ages. It was supposed to start sometime last year, but they pushed it back so they could start it now. This is another one with pretty much no reboot. Continues directly from Batwoman's story in Detective Comics, and to someone who hasn't read it, I can see it being confusing. I really liked her stories though, and so am excited to see more. Greg Rucka isn't writing it anymore though.

Still, seems like it may maintain the high quality of the Detective Comics run. Same artist, who I like a lot.

Also, good to see Cameron Chase and the D.E.O. The D.E.O. is like ten times more interesting to me than S.H.A.D.E. has ever been.


Demon Knights #1

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I was doubtful of the idea of Etrigan The Demon having another series. Never been a fan of him as anything more than a supporting character in various stories. They seem to have changed him though. Seems like he almost has some sort of sense of humor now. Also, he does not rhyme all the time.

Joining him seems to be Madame Xanadu, whose personality also seems less "serious".

Series seems to follow their adventures after the fall of Camelot in "The Dark Ages".

There is a lot in this book, to bring me back to it.

The only thing that I really HATE and DETEST is their inclusion of the Grant Morrison version of The Shining Knight. WHO I HATE AND DETEST. The original Shining Knight was an Awesome character and totally did not need to be Grant Morrison-ized at all. Of course, Grant Morrison is not writing this series, so perhaps this new Shining Knight can win me over. It is an uphill battle though, seeing how much I loved the original. Perhaps the original will be on Earth-2.


Mister Terrific #1

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I enjoyed it. Mister Terrific's personality seems to be a bit "looser", and the science and technology he works with has been souped up to the max. I kinda miss his jacket, but his new costume ain't bad.

Karen Starr (AKA Power Girl) is in this book as well. Unclear if she has powers or not in this new universe. No idea how they could justify her powers/origins in the New Universe, so she might not have any.

Lock Jaw 09-16-2011 03:43 PM

Week 2 Rankings

1) Green Lantern (Feel like this shouldn't count though)
2) Resurrection Man
3) Demon Knights
4) Batwoman
5) Mister Terrific
6) Red Lanterns
7) Batman and Robin
8) Deathstroke
9) Frankenstein - Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
10) Superboy
11) Legion Lost
12) Suicide Squad
13) Grifter

Funky Fly 09-16-2011 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 3630054)
Not after this long. You can change titles for a few days after you start a thread than it's locked. Only a mod can change them at any time, and TPWW mods are suspect.

This is gonna be the DC Kalyx likes penis thread if you keep that up.

Kalyx triaD 09-16-2011 06:53 PM

Nah, I think I'll be saying what I want, sorry. And while you're here, care to queue up those new titles from #1866?

Kalyx triaD 09-16-2011 06:54 PM

Please and thank you.

Funky Fly 09-16-2011 07:19 PM

You're welcome.

XL 09-16-2011 07:25 PM

LOL

Lock Jaw 09-16-2011 09:15 PM

Not sure I feel comfortable posting in this thread anymore.

Kalyx triaD 09-16-2011 09:40 PM

Way ahead of ya.

LuigiD 09-18-2011 11:26 AM

LOL at the new thread title..

Nowhere Man 09-18-2011 12:52 PM

Slightly back on topic (the DC Comics part, not the Kalyx Likes Penis part)......is anyone else starting to think the DCU has way too many shadowy organizations? I mean, you've got Cadmus, N.O.W.H.E.R.E., S.H.A.D.E., Amanda Waller and whoever's behind the Suicide Squad, that Briggs guy and the UN cabal running the JLI....just seems like they could really stand to trim it down to just one or two big ones. I mean, Marvel pretty much can trace everything back to SHIELD, and that's worked pretty well for them.

Lock Jaw 09-18-2011 01:48 PM

Don't forget Stormwatch, which seems to be entirely based on the premise of a shadowy organization.

But yeah, even the pre-Flashpoint DC Universe seemed to have this problem.

They had the Department of Meta-Human Affairs (DMA), the Department of Extranormal Operations (DEO), S.H.A.D.E., and Checkmate.... who all pretty much did the same thing. Well, Checkmate did it on an international level, so it can be excused.

The other three seemed redundant, though. C'mon American government, how many organizations do you need that do the same thing?

#BROKEN Hasney 09-18-2011 03:21 PM

Beautiful. I clearly have a lot of moderating to learn :'(

The Destroyer 09-18-2011 03:42 PM

This is how it's done.

Sixx 09-18-2011 03:56 PM

So how about this Kalyx dude?

I hear he likes dicks.

LuigiD 09-19-2011 05:57 PM

Apparently there was a John Stewart cameo by Nick Jones Jr. for Green Lantern filmed but it got cut. Fucking appalled at how much they dropped the ball with the Green Lantern film.

Damian Rey 09-21-2011 06:38 PM

Hopefully, in about 5 years time, Warner pulls a Marvel and reboots Green Lantern all together ala Hulk.

I was super excited at the idea of the movie, until I read reviews.

Nowhere Man 09-22-2011 03:40 PM

Nowhere Man takes on the New 52, Week 3!!!!


Batman:

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Like Green Lantern, Batman's continuity is pretty much unchanged, so there's no 'fresh start' to be had here. What we do have, though, is a really good jumping-on point, showing the awesome gadgets that Bruce is sporting these days, setting up the current status quo, and then throwing a bigass wrench in the works at the very end to get you into the next one. I also really liked the interaction between Batman and Harvey Bullock; it's nice to see Bats chat with cops that aren't Jim Gordon. The art's very nice as well.


Birds of Prey:

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This one was.....mediocre. I mean, the artwork is nice (though Black Canary's new costume is kind of ugly) and it does its job of setting things up, but there's nothing really to make it work. Plus, the framing of the story, constantly switching between flashbacks and the present, was jarring and poorly constructed. And what's up with Barbara being against Dinah forming a new team? I mean, you'd think she would be on board at the drop of a hat, considering she can walk again now. It's nothing offensively bad, but it's also kind of slapped together and ultimately very forgettable.


Blue Beetle:

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Seriously, can we please get Ted Kord back? I've been missing the Beetle/Booster duo for about five years now, and DC's never really done anything to make me like the new kid. It's annoying enough that their version of expanding diversity in their superhero lineups comes not from creating new and original characters that would appeal to the demographic they're meant to represent, but instead by killing off existing characters and replacing them with acceptably 'diverse' ones. It's even more annoying that they continue to shove a character down the audience's throat who has no interesting characteristics beyond his ethnicity.

Also, it annoys me to no end how they feel the need to hammer home the fact that he's Latino by having him speak nearly a complete sentence in English, then pick out one or two random words and say them in Spanish. That just seems cartoony. Granted, it's not as bad as in, say, Assassin's Creed II when everyone's Italian and it's assumed that they're speaking in Italian and the audience just hears it in English so you don't have to read subtitles, but then they'd pick random words and say them in Italian anyway, so it's like they're speaking double-Italian. In Blue Beetle, I can accept them being bi-lingual, even if it comes off as extremely forced.

Anyway, rant aside, this comic was serviceable. It did its job of setting up what the Scarab does, who's out to get it, and why. Plus the art really fits the tone of the comic, methinks. Overall, it's an okay comic, but like Birds of Prey, not a particularly memorable one.


Captain Atom:

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This was an interesting book. I liked that Atom's got a bit more personality than he's usually portrayed, and the angle they're doing with his powers is pretty entertaining. The art seems like kind of a love-it-or-hate-it sort of stylistic choice (I personally did not care for it), but overall it's a solid book.


Catwoman:

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Hey, I don't know if you're in the know on this, but.....are you aware that Catwoman has breasts? Because the writers apparently feel that raising awareness of Catwoman's breasts is a major issue in this day and age. I get that she's supposed to be the femme fatale character who uses her sex appeal to get her way, but I honestly cannot imagine being able to read this comic in public and not feel like an enormous pervert. Also, the ending where she has sex with Batman pretty much came out of nowhere, and seems like they blew their load way too early with that, both figuratively and literally.


Green Lantern Corps:

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I really enjoyed this one. Guy Gardner and Jon Stewart play off each other really well, as both of them have trouble dealing with their 'down-time' and coping with the fact that they're usually redundant when you've got Hal and Kyle around. They also set up a rather interesting new threat for the GLC, one that should make for a very entertaining story.


Legion of Super-Heroes:

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I am absolutely bowled over by how much I don't care about the Legion of Super-Heroes. And like too many of the lesser titles in the DCnU lineup, this comic didn't do much of anything to warm me up to them. Like Legion Lost, there's no real jumping-on point for new readers, so the whole thing feels really inaccessible unless you've already read the Legion before. I didn't actively hate the book, but it completely failed to get me to care about it.


Nightwing:

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In terms of storyline, this one felt very weak, as a lot of it was just Dick putzing around until the last few pages. In terms of character, though, this one was great. Out of everyone in the Batman universe, Dick feels like the most developed and matured character, seeing how far he's come over the years, and it's nice to just follow him around and get back in touch with himself. The ending was a little jarring, though, but it did leave me wanting answers, and that's kind of the point of a detective story. Anyway, even if it did kind of drag its feet, I really liked it.


Red Hood And The Outlaws:

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I've never cared about Roy Harper, and in my opinion the most worthwhile thing Jason Todd ever did was get killed. They played off each other fairly well, though. What really bugged me, though, was their treatment of Starfire. It's like they all sat down, looked at Harley Quinn's trashy new outfit, then went "okay, we're really going to have to apply ourselves if we want to make Stafire even more pointlessly skanky than that," and by gum, they pulled it off. I mean, now she's a flighty slut who doesn't remember any of her romance with Dick or her tenure on the Teen Titans because "human stuff is boring, now let's fuck." It's like she was written by a 13-year-old; nothing beyond pure wank material. And considering she's already boning both Jason and Roy at the same time, right now the only major long-term plot development they've got is when they're going to attempt a spit-roast on her. The art's nice, but the writing is drivel, and reinforces the stereotype that comic-fans are in dire need of getting laid.


Supergirl:

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There isn't much going on here story-wise, although it does have a rather nice action sequence. Unfortunately, since the action sequence takes up the majority of the book, you plow through it really quickly and feel like you've only read half a comic. On the plus side, it does do a good job of making Supergirl rather sympathetic, showing how disoriented and confused she is arriving on an alien planet. A decent showing, and hopefully it'll get better as it goes.


Wonder Woman:

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This one I was not expecting to like, let alone love. And I was wrong. This is one of the most intriguing and exciting takes on the WW mythos I've ever seen. Shifting gears away from being a traditional superhero comic and more towards mythological horror is a big step in the right direction, as it carves out a niche for Wonder Woman to excel on her own, without drawing comparisons to Superman and Batman (plus she can do the regular cape-and-tights stuff in Justice League). Having the Greek gods portrayed as unsympathetic bastards wandering around the real world doing fucked-up things is good too, as it gives Diana a way better cast of villains than her usual stuff, and calls up shades of Neil Gaiman. Wonder Woman's been needing an exciting new take on her franchise to justify her spot on the A-list for a long time now, and this absolutely gets the job done.

Lock Jaw 09-22-2011 07:33 PM

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52 Week #3

Birds of Prey #1

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This book really seems to have lost all of its charm. The only returning character is Black Canary, in a pretty iffy redesign. No idea what her continuity is supposed to be.

Apparently, though, everybody thinks that the Birds of Prey are a villain team (but they are not). Kinda taking a page from Black Canary's first appearances in the 40s.

New character named Starling, who seems kind of really generic, and possibly supposed to be a replacement for Lady Blackhawk, but without any of the charm. Full of tattoos that you just know artists are gonna get lazy drawing.


Catwoman #1

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Selina seems to have taken a swing back towards moral ambiguity big time. It seems that she no longer know who Batman is, so that is at least one thing in the Bat-World that has been retconned. They have had "sex" though. Anyways, interesting enough read. Nothing special, but not terrible or anything. Catwoman seems extra slutty or something in the DCnU.


Green Lantern Corps #1

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Pretty standard stuff here. I enjoyed this before the reboot, and since it has not changed much, I am sure I will enjoy it after. It does not seem to be as heavily invested in following up War of the Green Lanterns. In that nothing from it is mentioned at all.


Nightwing #1

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Was looking forward to this one since I have grown to love Dick. Dick Grayson, I mean. I would have loved if he was still Batman, but this was still a solid read. Was worried that they were going to "mess him up" somehow. Looks like they haven't. I'd still like to know why exactly he stopped being Batman/see the conversation with him and Bruce where it was decided.


Wonder Woman #1

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Kind of starts abruptly, took me halfway through the book, and a second "skim" through the book just to understand what was going on. I like her costume more than her "Odyssey" one, though I am not sure why they didn't just make the silver parts gold like they used to be.


Batman #1

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Not much to say. It was Batman. Mysterious killings and whatnots. Standard Bat-Stuff. EXCEPT FOR ONE THING. The Riddler seems to have been redesigned so that he is bald, save for a "mohawk" in the shape of a question mark. Terrible.


Blue Beetle #1

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Interesting. This seems to be going for a complete reboot, starting with an origin story. Certainly, I imagine Blue Beetle is more popular now due to his cartoon appearances in Brave and the Bold, so I guess they are trying to connect with that audience by starting from the beginning.

A lot of it is really similar, but at the same time, there seems to be slight differences. Hopefully they can get through the origins of the Scarab and the inevitable confrontation with The Reach without repeating the story from the old universe.


Captain Atom #1

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No explanations really as to his origins, or who he is. Luckily, I already know all that. Well, the old version anyways. This version seems to be getting new powers/less human. It is ok.


DC Universe Presents #1

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I assume this is gonna be a series to spotlight various characters who don't have books of their own. The first arc is featuring Deadman. I thought it did a real good job setting up who this character was, what he could do, and created interest in seeing where it would go from here. Definitely has me in for a second issue.


Legion of Super-Heroes #1

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No reboot for these guys. Directly continuing from the last series, it seems. Probably massively confusing for new readers. The Legion is one of those things that I think is very difficult to get into. I only got into the Legion with the Mark Waid reboot, and then Geoff Johns bringing them back in Action Comics. Before that, it just seemed too much to jump in to. That said, I liked this better than Legion Lost. If only because it made more freaking sense.

One thing I did notice is that in both Legion Lost and now this, there were references to "The Flashpoint Effect" in the context of time travel. Braniac 5 even said in this issue that they could not go back in time for Superman's help anymore because of it. Interesting. And confusing.


Supergirl #1

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Hmmm. I actually found myself enjoying this one. Her costume is terrible, though. I wasn't looking forward to them doing the whole Supergirl is new to the planet/confused/alienated thing again, especially since the last Supergirl was just finding her groove. However, it already seems better than the old Supergirl series was early on. Costume is terrible though, and Superman appears on the last page, pissing me off with his costume too. Looking forward to the next issue.


Red Hood and The Outlaws #1

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Wow. Wow. I.... this is the probably the worst thing to come out of this new reboot. They seem to have turned Roy Harper (Arsenal) into a mercenary killer. They have turned Starfire into a massive alien slut. Also redesigning her costume to somehow show even more skin then it already did. But somehow, the old Teen Titans are still in continuity. Even though I have no idea how Roy or Starfire could ever be on such a team.

The only positive I'll give this book, is Jason Todd seems alright. Seems less "serious business" than before. More laid back and relaxed. That said, I still don't really care for him.

But yeah, this book was just horrendous. Worse than Superman's redesign bad.

Lock Jaw 09-22-2011 07:36 PM

Week #3 Rankings:

1) Nightwing
2) DC Universe Presents
3) Green Lantern Corps
4) Supergirl
5) Batman
6) Blue Beetle
7) Wonder Woman
8) Captain Atom
9) Catwoman
10) Birds of Prey
11) Legion of Super-Heroes
12) Red Hood and The Outlaws

Fox 09-27-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperHeroHype.com
Last week it was announced that the next feature-length animated DC Universe film would be titled Justice League: Doom and would debut its trailer at the upcoming New York Comic-Con. Today, TV Guide has a update and a look at the voice cast.

Doom will be based on Mark Waid's "Tower of Babel," a story that ran in JLA #43-46 and that featured Ra's al Ghul stealing Batman's secret files that explain how to defeat each member of the Justice League. Not only does the team have to contend with the onslaught of specially-focused attacks but also the betrayal of their teammate and friend.

Kevin Conroy will return as Batman, Tim Daly as Superman, Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern, Michael Rosenbaum as the Flash, Carl Lumbly as the Martian Manhunter, Susan Eisenberg as Wonder Woman and, new to the role, Bumper Robinson as Cyborg. Cyborg did not originally appear in the comic book version of the tale and appears to replace Aquaman and Plastic Man for the animated version.

Pretty awesome, IMO.

LuigiD 09-27-2011 09:33 AM

TOWER OF BABEL? I FUCKING LOVE IT!:y:

Kalyx triaD 09-27-2011 01:16 PM

Pretty much a DCAU reunion.

Gonzo 09-27-2011 11:24 PM

I'm brand new to comics. I have some friends that are real heavy into them. I picked up a bunch of the new 52, some at their suggestion and others that looked interesting. I will give you my opinions a la Lock Jaw. Don't be pretentious bastards to me:

Action Comics #1

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I don't like the Superman character at all. I never have. Feel like it worked decades ago but is less interesting with time. That said, I liked this book. Superman had a edge to him that was enjoyable.


Legion Lost #1

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Maybe it's because I don't know anything about the characters or world of Legion Lost but I felt this story was kind of "meh". Fairly disjointed. I'll give #2 a go but I may drop this.


Detective Comics #1

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Fucking sweet. Ending was pretty mental. Interested to see how it develops.


Red Lanterns #1

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I thought this book was sweet. I like the art. Don't really know anything about the Lanterns, but I enjoyed the book.


Animal Man #1

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Interesting story. Animal Man is an interesting dynamic, speaking from a character perspective.


Demon Knights #1

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Like Legion Lost, I didn't really understand who all the characters are. The art is fucking awesome in this book though.


I also got some other books but they aren't DC books.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 & #2

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Awesome. Brings me back to my childhood. Story arc so far is good. The nucleus is intact but there are some fresh aspects to it. Interested to see how it goes.


Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates #1

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Book was sweet. I like the characters involved so maybe I'm predisposed to liking this book. Story arc shows promise.


Haven't read Batman #1 yet. I probably will tomorrow.

Kalyx triaD 09-28-2011 12:48 AM

Do Ultimates commentary in the Marvel Movie thread. Good post.

Nowhere Man 09-28-2011 03:17 AM

Rather interesting article regarding some of the more, ahem, "liberated" heroines of the New 52, particularly Catwoman and Starfire:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/0...-superheroine/

Captain of Fun 09-28-2011 03:54 AM

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2011-09-26-math.png

Boondock Saint 09-28-2011 03:10 PM

Sums it up nicely

dronepool 09-28-2011 03:35 PM

I actually enjoyed Red Hood, it was entertaining. Besides the Teen Titans cartoon wasn't Starfire was always a bit 'slutty' just not as blunt? The whole Starfire 'controversy' didn't do much for me. I just read her scenes and went on with the book. Thought that kid taking pics was pretty funny. It just sucks that she has 'no memory', that's pretty lame. Either way, I liked how Jason planned the rescue for Roy and the action scenes are what this book entertaining to me.

I probably read around like 10 books from the 52 and this was pretty enjoyable. Not the best, but entertaining.

Kalyx triaD 09-28-2011 04:01 PM

Starfire was fairly g-rated in the cartoon, if anything you got more fan-service from miss goth onesie (her clothes even got 'ravaged' in a particularly good episode). The difference between her and DCnU Starfire are alarming. Even if the book isn't aimed at kids, some consideration for past characterization should have been taken. I mean, classic ongoing Starfire was also dressed slutty, but shades of her cartoon personality were still present. This Starfire is a blatant sex-addicted whore (I dig it, but I don't have that much stock in her anyway).

That panel with Batman and Catwoman makes me more uncomfortable if anything.

LuigiD 09-28-2011 04:10 PM

I read the stuff and went on with my life. I didn't find out about the "controversy" until I came online and saw all the bitching. I can see why people are "offended" but I personally don't give a shit. Straight and honest answer.

Gonzo 09-28-2011 08:27 PM

Batman #1

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Enjoyed this book. I think I'll enjoy following this and Detective Comics at the same time.


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