Think it was due to a mix of attitude issues and her being outspoken about Bill DeMott's abusive training regime in developmental. Also some alleged homophobic slurs she made during her time there.

Think she also had a similar rep in regards to attitude issues in some other places she's worked in.

Glad Ivelisse and Jazz are in. A bit annoyed they are doing another stupid fucking Battle Royal.

Who's going to bust out the baby oil in this one?

The morbidly obese guy is going to use it to shove the legless guy up his ass.

Really hoping AEW runs NYC this year.

I agree. The first one wasn't well received by anyone why do it again? Aside from that... Two Royal Rumbles , New Japan Rumble, Rumble of Honor, MLW 40 Man Rumble, Casino Battle Royal 1.... TOO MANY GODDAMN BATTLE ROYALS THIS YEAR

Maybe they learned some things from the first and will have a better one this time?

There is no such thing as too many battle royals

I like battle royals. I would say the majority of the casual fan does as well.

Casual fans don't watch wrestling anymore. Hell, look at how quiet these boards are. Hardcore fans barely watch anymore.

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This is coming to my area in a couple of weeks. A few notes:

1. Mikey Gulino's "Three Faces" (We always called the first one Guacamole for some reason, The Creator, and Coach Mikey) were the gimmicks he used around Augusta, which is his hometown (he's a super nice dude).
2. The show name is an obvious homage to "Joey Janella's Spring Break." In and of itself, that means nothing. However...
3. Most noteworthy folks on the poster are Leva Bates and Christopher Daniels.

Speculate away...

Joey Janela's Spring Break went from initially being cute novelty to being ramped up to a level beyond parody, and now it's encouraged spin-offs.

Ugh.

Eli Drake

Yeah that show "won't matter"

Fuck Yes


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Only around 40% of its roster?

Given how many people have already been seen on their shows, that means the roster is fairly gigantic. Might allow them to not have to have the same people wrestle on TV week after week after week, which will help keep everybody fresh.

Jim Cornette is gonna have a stroke is he ever gets near AEW.

I'm not gonna deny that she's kind of a tool, but she is definitely a strong worker and was a free agent.

Interesting. If true, that means their roster is likely around 110 to 115 wrestlers.

I'd assume a huge chunk of the remaining roster are probably just part-timers either as freelancers like Ibushi before he signed a NJPW contract or doing double duty work like Riho with AEW & Stardom.

If not, then AEW is going to quickly run into the same problem NXT has with a very bloated roster and not enough quality time to spread around.

That was inevitable after Spring Break 2 raked in some serious cash for GCW leading to more Janela themed shows and spinoffs happening.

Cody Rhodes seems a little pretentious

Much of the roster consists of small children (credit: Jim Cornette), it appears.

I don’t know how I can take the main event seriously when the rest seems like comedy divisions. Come on, Cody. :(

:y::y:

Orange Cassidy is great on a GCW show or whatever but if he is going to do that gimmick on TV for AEW then honestly IDK. I really like Tony's view on AEW saying he wants it to be a "sport".... but then they signed Orange Cassidy so idk.

Summerslam was pretty good guys!

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Fixed

Hi I'm Jim Cornette, and I hate fun and comedy in wrestling, also I hate cosplay wrestlers. I like my wrestling serious, and serious only and will threaten violence upon anyone who exposes the business. Anyway, here's my world champion wrestling a 4,000 year old mummy.

I wasn't talking about him beyond the wording of his Tweet or whatever it was.

I like Cody. I’m holding off on calling him creative until weekly TV. So far the shows they’ve put on have been a lot of athletic matches with no sign of long-term storytelling, bad comedy and a handful of meaningful gems. So pretty much just mid 2000s TNA.

There's only one man who can get me really invested in AEW.

And that man is Avery Hoke.

It doesn't matter if you have the world's best potato salad on offer if there is also a chance that you're going to get dog shit from another section. People are just going to go to where you don't risk the dog shit.

If I had an extra ticket to the show in DC would anyone want to go for free? I'm debating on whether to buy 1 upper level ticket on the far end for $35 or buy 2 uppers for $21 each but in a slightly better seat view.

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Approx view for 2 ticket seats (ring would be around center Court/stage would be to right)

If anyone's interested I'll go with the two Tix otherwise I'll just buy 1 or try for better seats. I'm not really interested in paying out the nose for better ticket though.

AEW tix between $20-$90

Very reasonable pricing


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">October 16th, <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a> comes to <a href="https://twitter.com/LiacourasCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LiacourasCenter</a> in Philadelphia! <br><br>Tickets go on sale tomorrow at 12pm ET / 9am PT <a href="https://t.co/cxVYqA2DYT">https://t.co/cxVYqA2DYT</a> <a href="https://t.co/AOKVJEJalP">pic.twitter.com/AOKVJEJalP</a></p>&mdash; The Young Bucks® (@MattJackson13) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattJackson13/status/1162092615254155264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Im buying my tickets off a reselling site. I kinda figured Id be paying more for a ticket, but nor really if I can buy a resale ticket for $20-30 which when factoring in Ticketmaster fees might be cheaper than directly buying since the site im using doesnt charge fees.

The black background they use for promos like this fit great. Brandi delivers a great promo here.

The President of TNT on AEW:

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/fal...fx-1203302392/


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I DIG THE MASTER SPLINTER POST. YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT.


Every time I scroll past this, I keep reading it as "Brady Hoke", and wonder WTF he could bring to the AEW table that he couldn't at Xichigan?

Also Jim Cornette has lost it. He's grouping together everything he hates. Somehow he found a way to compare AEW to Trump and the Republican party. I enjoy hearing him shit on AEW and all but his latest podcast was sad.

Cornette’s latest podcast was brilliant.

It’s called a segue, Simple Fan, you simple fuck.

No a segue is when you transition to another subject all together that might tie in. I waited the whole podcast for the damn thing to start. It's not a segue if you jump back and forth between the two subjects at will. He's lost it to the point he's finding anything he can in the things he dislikes to compare.

No, he segued from talking about how stupid AEW is for hiring that guy to how stupid the gun shit is in the US. You’re just too stupid to follow. The only thing that came close was when he pointed out that invisible men are stupid whether they are in the sky or a wrestling ring, which was pretty clever and tied everything together well.

No he didn't. He compared everything from Orange Cassidy to Tony Kahn to the Young Bucks to Trump, the Republican party and guns. He didn't segue from shit, as he just jumped back and forth between the two but its a stupid comparison to begin.

Anyway got my car rented and room booked for All Out. Ready for the show now

I'm pretty sure he was talking about people he would block on Twitter when he began that tirade. There was no real comparison made between Trump and AEW wrestling.

The twitter part was about the Young Bucks because they blocked him. He compared their ability to influence Tony to hire shitty wrestlers to Trump influencing stupid Americans.

Ach well that's a hyperbolic non sequitur. I don't see any reason to take him seriously when he says things like that, especially since he is a wrestling personality and not a political commentator.

I think he just feels intense anger at certain things and when he gets that feeling he relates it to whatever last made him feel that way.
Don't scrutinise the politics in a podcast about wrestling history.

The point of Orange Cassidy is that he's a rich kid waster. He's always either too lazy, hungover or stoned to give a shit about wrestling. Him wrestling with his hands in his pockets isn't "exposing the business" because, when he's wrestling like that, he's terrible - his strikes have no impact, none of the moves he attempts really land, because he's not trying to win the fight.

If he gets serious, he's more than capable of winning, but he rarely does. If anything, that does more to support wrestling as a legitimate fight than if people were selling his hands-in-pockets stuff as serious offense.

But, of course, that would be apparent if people actually watched his matches before criticizing him.

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Crazy!

You get out of here with that type of rational thinking, Vito!

"Exposing the business" in an in-ring sense means to do something that makes it obvious to viewers that the action is controlled or illegitimate. In this sense Orange Cassidy absolutely is exposing the business.

That being said, nobody in a professional wrestling promotion has to worry about kayfabe now because the cat was let entirely out of the bag by the mid 90's.
Jim Cornette knows the cat can't go back in the bag with AEW or WWE so complaining about their wrestlers breaking kayfabe or "exposing" the business is ludicrous. It's even worse when everybody in their right mind knew it was fake for about 50 years before that.

I love Corny but he can't win the war on sports entertainment because it is effectively a stunt show now. Nobody tries to convince anybody it's real nowadays.

So all in all Jim clearly has huge insecurity over his assertion that everybody who saw his shows back in the day believed it. I think somewhere deep in his heart he knows that the average wrestling crowd knew it was a work and even the riots were born out of the audience's desire to misbehave than anybody truly believing it.

Those that did believe it were stupid, naive or deluded.

People forget that riots and dangerous crowd interactions don't mean that people bought it. It just means they wanted their money's worth whether that be in the result or the in ring work. Also, some people just like to stab, punch or kick wrestlers regardless of their authenticity.

You are actually a moron. First it was the Eli Drake fandom, then it was the nationalism, now this. Your analysis on anything should not be trusted.

He pointed out that Tony Khan is being fleeced just like Trump is fleecing people, but they are clearly two separate subjects connected by a theme of stupidity and being influenced. I can’t believe you need a throat-clearing on that.

That is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Yeah, when I am hungover or stoned, the thing I like to do is go into a professional fight I don’t give a shit about with my hands in my pockets and wearing sunglasses over my eyes that someone could smack the lenses into. That is so fucking ridiculous.

And why would someone hire this guy to fight? There’s a fundamental problem in the psychology of paying someone like that to get into the ring. From a marketing perspective to a health and safety one.

But yes, this makes wrestling look more legitimate. Pick a fight with a hungover person and watch them put their hands in their pockets as a defense mechanism. Holy shit, lol.

We’re in trouble when you are making more sense than most other people in a thread. Corny doesn’t believe that people 100% believed it though. He states this constantly, and that people always knew something was up. He just appreciates when there’s logic unpinning everything, and there is a point to the platform for simulating conflict. He also likes it when wrestling attempts to play at your emotions and doesn’t immediately say “Hey, we tried to manipulate you, don’t get too invested though” like The Young Bucks did with the Shawn Spears heel turn.

If you think about it, that was literally the EVPs of a company trying to make you mad telling you not to be mad. It’s actually insane. Only wrestling.

I also disagree that people can’t be worked. Almost half the US voted for Trump. Have you ever heard a rumor get off the ground? There are people who are convinced that wrestling has always used fake blood. There are people who think Jesus loves them or that woman really did cum that many times. Marketing still exists when we know exactly what our needs are.

Working is literally everywhere except wrestling. It’s the weirdest thing.

Imagine not taking your MMA career seriously, so the night before you get smashed and then go into your UFC fight with your hands in your pockets. Come on, Vito, you have to admit that was a ridiculous thing to say.

Hardly. Work in HR as long as I have and you'll find there are people in literally every profession that do the bare minimum of just showing up. I've worked with people like that too - holy shit this guy can be a star performer but he'd rather just come in and coast along. People who show moments of brilliance but who have no interest in applying themselves.

LOL, me and Noid agree.

Ugh

Hell you can find these fuckheads in college all the time too.

"Shouldn't you study for the test tomorrow instead of going to that party?"
"Fuck nah, C's get degrees"

Comparing voting for Trump to a work is egregious. The people knew what they were doing.

Professional wrestling: the only profession in the world where everybody takes their job super seriously 100% of the time

Dude we're talking about a sport where you get punched in the face, a guy with his hands in his pockets will die.

You can't see why having your hands in your pockets in a fight is a bad idea?
Ask Anderson Silva what too much clowning will get you, and he didn't even have pockets.

I can only suspend my disbelief so far

Of course it's a bad idea. Doesn't mean there aren't dumb fucks who will do it.

No worse of an idea than showing up to your job at a manufacturing plant and fucking about. I've seen quite a few workers comp cases in my time.

Orange Cassidy gets told by HR that he'll be fired due to fucking about too much and then turns into a badass submission machine who doesn't take shit from anybody.

gonna try to get hired by AEW to do a Toby Flenderson gimmick

Agreed!

See this would actually work

I kinda like the spot in a match I saw where he did a kip up with his hands in his pockets and the other guy tried with his hands in his trunks and was looking like an idiot rocking back and forth.

We were talking about "exposing the business". We are not talking about "bad things to do at work".
Vito come on. You keep ignoring the literal aspect of it. How can anyone believe in this? I'm not arguing about how fun it is to watch or how valid it is as a form of entertainment either, just responding to your claim that Orange Cassidy is not exposing the wrestling business.

I've already addressed that in my original post. It would be ridiculous if Orange Cassidy to attempt to win a fight by keeping his hands in his pockets and throwing soft slow motion kicks. But he's not expecting to win the fight. He's not trying to win. He does not care.

And his opponents react in kind. They don't sell his weak ass offense. If anything, a lot of them get flustered because they presumably spent time training for this fight only for this slacker to show up not even taking it seriously.

It's not "exposing the business" merely having a guy on the card who is completely phoning it in. People phone it in in every profession.

Fignuts gets it

Some did, absolutely. Some got worked.

Stop using exaggerated extremes. There’s a difference between working in HR and getting punched in the face. Jokes aside. Do you think people walk out into battlefields with their hands in their pockets? Being a coaster might mean getting by on your talent, like a Randy Orton or something (who still works incredibly hard to be an athlete at any sort of professional level). It doesn’t mean going into a fight defenseless, ignoring the fight or flight response and pretending to kick your opponent.

If he doesn’t want to be there, why is he there? Why does Tony Khan employ him? It makes no sense.

Seanny is right and I’m not even going to be snarky about it.?

I cannot believe I am reading this, lol. Not caring if you win or lose is exposing the business. The way he “fights” exposes the business. It’s clearly fake. No one apathetically fights like that, lol. Imagine watching MMA and seeing a guy try that shit. Wtf have you been smoking, Vito?

What’s the point of any of this shit? What is the point of wrestling if the conflict doesn’t matter? And that’s not taking into account that it’d be executed badly if he were a masochist or nihilist or whatever, and had a death wish. This is just a question about the way you frame stories. What is the point of wrestling if not to win?

A trust fund kid might steal a car on a lark, but they are actually going to try and steal a car. And if they spend even a night in prison and are attacked by an unsavory character, they are not going to defend themselves with soft kicks to the thigh with their hands in their pockets.

Holy shit, I cannot believe I am engaging on this ridiculous point.

An Irish whip is "less silly" than an aluminium garbage can used as a weapon.

But here we are now.

Actually I may be wrong there. That was a bad example. I once saw a guy get knocked out with a half empty can of Coke...

I don’t like Bray Wyatt or Undertaker either. At least they try to win their matches too.

Nobody disagrees

This is the above match I was talking about. OC does his schtick early on and then transitions into being a normal wrestler and actually busting out some decent moves and some ring psychology (hooking Starrs leg after having him block a suplex twice)

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He also did it all with a legit looking busted nose very early on.

I like OC

I like his look

I like his gimmick

I think he's a good wrestler too

Lol, you do realize that you are talking about psychology in regards to a guy who “doesn’t try.” It’s nonsense. You don’t start properly working a match ten minutes in or whatever.

And to the people who say “well, it just depends on what your threshold for silliness is,” why are they even gambling with that in the first place? And why test the suspension of disbelief of lapsed fans who suspended their watching because they couldn’t suspend disbelief anymore?

Fact: the more an audience is required to suspend its disbelief the less the show draws.

According to the Observer, Tony Schiavone has recently signed a deal with AEW.

Yeahhhh!

Niceeee

Too true.

I fully expect Joey Janella to last one episode of the TNT show before he sees a camera in his face and decides to yell "FUCK JIM CORNETTE" loud enough for Tony Khan to fire him to save face with Standards and Practices.

How long til he goofs and welcomes everyone to Nitro on TNT

I would love a Tony - Jim Ross - Excalibur commentary team

Locations 4 & 5 will be revealed Monday for AEW's weekly show