Impact from Wade Keller

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Interesting... that's way more than I thought they were doing

thats alot of people putting up with madasons voice. axs screwed up when they let new japan leave, they should have kept them doing what they wanted to do then they would have 2 shows people watch.

Yeah, that they’re making a big deal over such small numbers is pretty funny. This is the sort of reactionary stuff Vince Russo used to do. No effort to understand why things happen the way they do, or what they actually mean.

So, a million people noticed the Bucks vs. Butcher and Blade were wrestling, took 5 minutes to realize it was fucking stupid, and changed the channel? Good on them, I guess. I would have been more impressed if they kept them.

1.970 million viewers for SD

:y:

Bucks vs Butcher/Blade was good

Best Young Bucks match I've seen.

Meltzer said SD's number is likely lower tham this as some FOX stations aired baseball instead of SD and it was counted for SD ratings in the overnight measure:

Here's how the top 4 did this week:


SD - 1.97
RAW _ 1.62
AEW - 845k
NXT - 615k

Yeah, people never think about what the numbers actually mean. Doesn’t occur to people that the people tuning in for The Young Bucks match were AEW fans + people laughing at the silly wrestling. That’s why they didn’t stick around.

OMG!!! Vince McMahon himself is getting in on the idiotic "muh demos" trash too!

"Conversely, TV viewership trends have been negatively impacted by the COVID, obviously, and note the lack of a live audience," he said. "We are still nonetheless the #1 television show on USA [Network] and consistently the #1 broadcast show on Fridays among key demos."

I am in that demo, and I want it to fuck off forever...

Billy Corbin is now on deck.

RAW was able to avoid an all-time low rating against sports, with 1.616 million viewers

Big third hour drop


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Third hour of RAW, which was actually great in terms of in-ring wrestling, hits a brand new all-time low, 1.463 million.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1288204137297924097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Next week could be tougher:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Next week:<br>Lakers vs Jazz (ESPN)<br>Spurs vs 76ers<br>6 MLB games<br>2 NHL games</p>&mdash; Fictitious Fisticuffs (@Rivenblade2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rivenblade2/status/1288213055927652355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WELL, WELL, WELL...

People are going to spin things to fit their agendas. I'm at the point where I can't wait for AEW to fall in the demo so people can just accept that shit fucking sucks.

AEW and NXT both stand strong against competition

AEW - 773k
NXT - 707k


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They really need to figure out the crowd noise shit...

AEW down, NXT up.*

Same 1.5 million people watching each week, although sometimes that number has been dipping.

I have to say I'm pretty surprised both ratings held up so well.

I've also heard this theory that most wrestling fans don't watch sports.

Yeah, the wrestling/real sports gap is probably wider than it’s ever been.

But it's been like this forever. I've only heard people like Bix and Kris Zellner say this so I have no actual proof but it does make sense.

Look at the neckbeards in the audience -- of course they don't watch sports.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW and NXT combined beat the third hour of RAW in viewers this week.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1288929391532113920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yeah, sports hasn't had a drastic effect on WWE for ages. I don't know how you can really compare the two in today's day and age. I can't imagine people being torn between their NFL and New Day comedy segment, let alone their NFL and Orange Cassidy arsing around.

Hahaha, the combined viewership of this "hot" night for wrestling managed to be hour three of the fucking drudge that is Monday Night Raw. That says something about how irrelevant this all is.

1.892 for brand blue

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Here's how the big 4 did in live viewers this week

SD - 1.892 million
RAW - 1.616 million
AEW - 773k
NXT - 707k

RAW went up 100k viewers to 1.71 million

I thought they might crack 2 million for that first hr w/ the hype but nope


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There wasn’t any hype.

AEW toppled both Guy Fieri and Sean Hannity

I think this is the first time they've cracked 900k in a while too. NXT also went up.


AEW - 901k
NXT - 753k


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The taped shows with the extremely sweetened crowd noise seem to have a big effect on the ratings... Seems to be a pattern the past few weeks where the taped shows do significantly better than the live ones with the really quiet crowd... They need to figure that out... shouldn't be too hard to add live "sweetening"... really has a huge effect on how lively the show feels

Possibly the biggest news in ratings this week -

When you combine AEW and NXT they are only 60k viewers lower than RAW.

RAW - 1.71
AEW/NXT - 1.65

AEW beat Raw in people 18-34, 0.29 to 0.28

I don't like the combining thing because there is a big overlap with people that watch both shows, so it's like counting them twice... I assume that's how it works at least

Yeah. People flip back and forth to inflate ratings. Combining them is misleading.

THIS, on the other hand... Oof.

900k! Holy shit! A revolution is coming! :lol:

What number would warrant your praise, Noid? Serious question.

I thought 1.4 million when they started was alright. I don't think I would praise it, per se. I don't think it would be as embarrassing for wrestling. Right now they are within spitting distance of WWE hours six and seven. If WWE is so bad (and it is), then I don't see a reason that AEW shouldn't be doing numbers comparable to a SmackDown when it was on the USA Network.

They have the stars (they should have more, but they goofed themselves out of that), they have the platform and with a billionaire's backing and that platform, there is no reason they couldn't have a comparable immediate promotional reach. If two new shows debuted on USA and TNT next week, they're in about the same amount of homes. There's no reason to assume that one has a distinct advantage over the other. WWE has overall product awareness, but so many people I know still call it the WWF and don't know it still exists. I think the "WWE has been around for ages so it's obviously going to be more popular" angle is bullshit.

So about 2 million people for a wrestling product with Chris Jericho, JR and Jon Moxley that isn't WWE and is apparently good. Yeah, I might be tough on that. But given the apparent buys of the first Double or Nothing, 1.4 million viewers on TV for that audience was pretty predictable, if you take PPV as about 5% of the TV audience. So that hardcore audience showing up for wrestling not WWE is about 1.4 million people. That they haven't built on that at all is actually pretty sad.

What AEW does do well, as I think wrestling does, is that it gets its viewers to watch live more regularly. A lot of shows would only get about a third of their audience to watch every week, and AEW is doing better than 467k. And they actually seemed to convert about 10% of that audience to PPV for Double or Nothing II.

So AEW has a very strong and loyal following (for the moment). But have done absolutely nothing to bring lapsed fans back or create new ones.

I'd be impressed by >2 million people. I think the 1.4 million-2 million range is fine for bad wrestling in 2020. That's still the green zone for me. Below 1.4 million is where things go yellow. Great numbers for AEW, but not really for wrestling. Anything between 467k-934k is orange. That's when that hardcore audience is there between a third and two-thirds in potential number. Below 467k is red. I estimate the bottom for AEW is 420k.

I’m gonna go ahead and stop you at “They have the stars.” Do you mean Jericho? Do you mean Cody? Do you mean Moxley? How do you define a “star”?

Jericho, Moxley, Cody and JR all have a lot of exposure in WWE. I’m not talking Steve Austin or Hulk Hogan obviously.

Best week for SD in a while

1.956 avg


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Big 4 of the week

SD - 1.96 million
RAW - 1.71 million
AEW - 901k
NXT - 753k

I haven't been following this alleged trend as closely as I could, but apparently on weeks when Raw and SmackDown do well, AEW does well. It's not surprising that wrestling has some better weeks than others. The health of AEW is probably pretty intrinsically linked to the wealth of WWE.

WWE - 4.42 million views

AEW - 901k

AEW got some catching up to do.

RAW had 1.72 million viewers this week

Big news of the week is Dynamite beat RAW in 18-34 viewers (Dynamite .29 vs RAW .23)


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW beat RAW all three hours in persons 18-34.</p>&mdash; Bryan Alvarez (@bryanalvarez) <a href="https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/1293280717535719424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AEW hasn’t been on this week. Wrestling fans are almost as bad as wrestling.

I thought the important demo was 18-49. You mean to tell me AEW honks are going to change the "important" demo to fit their narrative?

Who would have EVER guessed?!?!?

:roll:

It means AEW is more appealing to young people already less than a year after its start

More of an explanation about how channel flipping counts in the ratings... so combining the AEW and NXT viewership to compare to Raw does have validity I guess

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Numbers are determined by an average of each minute. So if you watch 50 minutes of one and 70 of the other, you count as .42 of a viewer for the first show and .58 of the second show if you flip back and forth. <a href="https://t.co/5y3cgoZWrC">https://t.co/5y3cgoZWrC</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1293591133499482112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

But they're losing in the key demo to a 3-hour dinosaur.

lol

NXT fell to number 65 this week.

AEW - 792k
NXT - 619k


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AEW DOMINATING NXT

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">.32 to .16 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DemoBurn?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DemoBurn</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DemoGod?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DemoGod</a> <a href="https://t.co/x0kHHtAV8B">pic.twitter.com/x0kHHtAV8B</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jericho (@IAmJericho) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/1294007488392634368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Shit's about to pop off, son!

I can't but can believe Jericho posted that.

Jerichovid-19 loves to troll

So the big news is Raw defeated AEW in the coveted 18-34 demo this week. Lol they didn't reclaim it. Two different weeks.

AEW getting desperate. R.I.P

Anything is possible when you lie.

Meltzer made a ridiculous post not only doing the same thing, but also claiming that TNT must love AEW because they’re not paying much for it and they’re getting 70% of a demo. Which isn’t how demos and TV rights work (even ask BigCrippyZ) but also ignores that AEW has a 50/50 split for ad revenue.

I finally realized what it is.

I enjoy most of AEW for the 2 hours Dynamite is on.

I hate most of AEW the rest of the week.

If they all weren't so damn annoying and "just shut up and wrestled" they probably wouldn't have driven a million people away.

All their bullshit bragging about how they are doing so great after 10 months is a spin.

They lost the majority of their audience in 10 months, that is the truth. It likely happened because they are insufferable outside of the actual television tapings.

AEW, the greatest promotion of all time.

I hate bad wrestling. I don’t have the patience for more bad wrestling just because it isn’t run by a particular rich guy I’ve manufactured an issue with. I’m annoyed at the squandered opportunity and the fandom around them is more counterproductive and off-putting than optimistic.

I’ve tuned out of even having a cursory interest in AEW. I’ll see a headline from Meltzer or the people willing this to be more than it is and you can pretty much be guaranteed it is bullshit. It’s mild fun to dig into “TNT must love AEW because (bullshit reasons).” It’s just sad this is where wrestling is.

Baseball ratings seem to be up, and it appears that younger viewership is on the rise. I'm guessing it's part of the reason viewership dropped this week

"Through the third weekend of MLB action, 39 million unique viewers have watched 59 telecasts (661,017 per game), compared to 26 million over 45 broadcasts (577,777 per game) through the same period in 2019, according to Nielsen data MLB provided to Stephen Battaglio of the Los Angeles Times.

While that shows slight growth, ESPN's national MLB telecasts are averaging 1.2 million viewers, Battaglio notes. That's up 29% from last season's numbers.

Perhaps most encouraging is the rise in viewership among the 18-34 age group. ESPN has seen a 64% increase among men and an 83% uptick among women in that demographic"

The demo breakdowns seem so antiquated. To grab a bunch of people and group them based solely on age in 2020 seems ridiculous. Are these socially adjusted? The experience of an 18 year old kid in Harlem is going to be very different from a 32 year old in Des Moines. Is there a larger amount of LGTB viewers than usual? And do these people spend money?

These sound like some pretty important points of inquiry to potential advertisers, who would be trying to work out if paying for an ad slot that is going to reach only ~200,000 people in a certain “demo” is worth it.

To see a bunch of fans get their panties moist because AEW got a 0.36 to Raw’s 0.4 is just fucking embarrassing.

SD tops the week at 1.978


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Very surprised this wasn't listed as "AEW only 1.2 million off SmackDown."

Also remember, they are basing that on a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the actual viewership. The true difference is about 20 people who actually have a Nielsen box.

Anybody who feels like going back a few pages, I explained it. They are happy about what 20 more people watching represents according to a completely outdated model.

Oh yeah. And I don't even know anyone in the 18-49 demo with cable anymore. They're getting about 400k people in that demo. That seems like an extremely small sample to market to. And what else do we know about these people? What else do they spend money on? Do they just pay for cable so they've got their wrestling and won't spend it on much else?

Sling, HuluLive, YouTubeTV, etc all count as cable in Nielsen ratings.

You don't know anyone who uses services like those...I doubt that.

Holy shit, they count all that and it's still so low?! Oh wow, I thought that was just actual terrestrial cable.

Actually, no, I don't know anyone who uses those services. It's all Netflix, Stan, Disney+, Kayo and Amazon Prime down here. And the UFC and WWE have their apps if you're into them. The one I think we do get is YouTubeTV, but I don't know anybody who uses that.

Drugs and rock and roll records probably.

Looking at the average AEW fan, probably tabletop games and sex chat lines too. Not to shame anyone, but let’s stop pretending that the people in this demo are “cool” and who companies want their products to be associated with.

Well if they’re tabletop game, sex chat line and fatty snack companies, they should be all over this shit.

They probably are.

I figured it would be a tough week for RAW w/ both NBA and DNC and it was

1.64 million


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Doesn't bode well for the rest of the week.

Yeah but look at those demos!!!!

MUH DEMOS!!!!!!

Agreed.

I'm not sure what sports are next week but I believe the RNC begins next Monday as well.

NXT got a bump w/o AEW

853k


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NXT crushes AEW in the Wednesday Night War

I was thinking they wouldn't want to get below 850k without AEW. They landed right about there. Not spectacular for them, but a solid showing.

Saturday night will be interesting because WWE never reveals network numbers and AEW being on a Saturday potentially delayed because of basketball past 6pm start.

NXT already won 850,000-0

I think AEW should do better than NXT. They should get their 600k diehards. The floaters will probably check it out. Then they might be able to snag a few people from the NBA.

Thunderdome gave SD it's best # in a while, 2.168 million


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Guessing we won't know AEW's number until Monday

SD - 2.17 million
RAW - 1.64 million
NXT - 853k

Bray and Braun were/are horrible.

Why 850?

600k loyal NXT fans plus the floaters.

This is higher than I thought Dynamite would do on a Saturday


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> from Saturday August, 22nd - 755k, .31 key demo, #5 <a href="https://t.co/l7OjlcsdCH">pic.twitter.com/l7OjlcsdCH</a></p>&mdash; Will ✊�� (@WilliamRBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1298252080176488449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow, NXT crushes AEW

R.I.P

I'm more shocked they damn near matched UFC.

You know who matched UFC: NXT

Damn Nascar gets a lot more eyes than I thought.

Big increase for post SummerSlam episode of RAW

2.03 million

(last week was 1.64 million)


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The AEW rating is fine. What you’d expect. Probably good they didn’t do much better than what they normally would. Might encourage TNT to move it.

Raw killed it, compared to the shit rating it usually does. But no one will talk about that. The sky is still falling, etc.

824k for NXT


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Eh, pretty much in that same range. This stuff clearly has a ceiling.

Been saying that for a year. A niche audience of a niche audience.

Not too bad for airing on a Thursday - 813k for Dynamite this week


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