If we were posting out of our asses, you're Jim Carrey.

Such an ironic statement.

Aren't you supposed to be banned for a week, btw?:shifty:

You're right, and I'll raise your point with another. I don't think Keith Stone gives a flying fuck about the PG era either. Also, I will bring this up again: t i m e s l o t.

Kiddy shit advertises at kiddy hours.

Beer and condoms at night.

He is now.

Not that I've heard. Granted he's said a lot of things I haven't heard, he always seems to be pretty "respectful" of WWE. Not like he loves it, but he openly says he wishes he could do their numbers.

Seeing that image of DB, and some of the other images that are floating around, they really could make him badass. Why aren't they making him bad ass. He needs to snap.

Hell, just have him head stomp someone to death, that'll make him seem real bad ass real quick.

And for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, it's the second to last move on this video. Not the best version of it, but still, gives you an idea.

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Imagine him feuding with someone like Mark Henry, and busting that out, and the ref stopping the match because Henry is out cold.

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Mowes.

They already HAD lost sponsors. A lot of the adverts on Raw returned only after they softened their image. Which was good, because they were running fifty engine sludge commercials per episode of Raw and it was getting silly.

And despite it being"past their bedtime," there are a lot of kids watching from the audience anyway, so clearly it's not completely counterintuitive.

It's not even just sponsors, though. Kids are big merch movers. While the parents are the buyers, the kids generally pick the stuff. Selling kiddy friendly material is a big boost. Mysterio masks, Jeff Hardy armwarmers (when he's not in jail or TNA), Cena merch, it's big business. Plus there's action figures, home videos, and plush pillows so the wrestling forum can spoon CM punk as they go to sleep...:shifty:

It's really worth pointing out the ratings were declining before any of this happened, and will likely continue to decline no matter what. Wrestling is no longer hot with the 18-3Xs anymore. Viewrship is still relatively strong in the demo, but not as good as it once was. Why? MMA certainly doesn't deserve all the credit but it deserves some. Partially, though, Attitude Era fans grew up. It's one thing to shout "Suck it!" When you're fifteen, but when you're thirty, it's just sad...Or possibly a sex crime. People moved on, and WWE failed to pull in a new crowd sufficiently.

Yeah, it's pointless to target the PG audience at an adult timeslot. Most of the sponsors for WWE are adult oriented anyway. So, in the end, WWE going PG really benefits nothing but merchandise. Every other aspect of wrestling now sucks due to the PG movement.

Besides, the only reason WWE wanted to go PG in the first place was to get Linda McMahon voted to the Senate. Having the squeaky clean image failed, so they might as well drop the PG crap...

[citation needed]

Push Zack Ryder.

Yes, but wrestling was "cool" back then. MMA is what is in now. MMA was a clusterfuck during the Attitude Era and once Dana White took over it gave those 15-18 year old kids something more realistic, plus the personalities in MMA are pretty close to those in Wrestling. It's one thing for Stone Cold Steve Austin to say he's gonna kick your ass, but it's another thing for Rampage to do it, because it's actually happening.

The WWE is going through a transition. Instead of focusing on winning back old fans which I don't think they can, they should continue to focus on creating new stars, but just do a better job of it.

Bring back Triple H to in-ring action and have him win the WWE Championship in his first night back and have him hold it for 2 1/2 years straight...again [/James Steele style response]

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I nominate Tyler Reks.

That'll work... But he needs to hold him by his dreads then.

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Someone has made some CM Punk T-shirts.

Hire Chuck Taylor so he can scare the kids away.

or re-hire The Boogeyman to scare them.

Pretty much this. WWE had lost quite a few sponsors.

I do think MMA took the audience WWE once had b/c of a stale product. It's more popular now since it has more credibility. Once wrestling fizzled out and peaked, fans wanted some more exciting and realistic. MMA has the appeal of WWE with none of the bad rep.

Saying WWE could ever get the old fans back is a stretch, but they have to do something radical in order to attract new fans. For starters dropping the PG label and trying new things not kid targeted...

Punk. :heart:

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:lol: Triple H ignoring the Zack Ryder question.

:(

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Vince: "I got it! Based on the overwhelming response of three of our viewers dropping the PG rating must be the answer to all our problems!"

John Laurinaitis: "We can't drop the PG rating. It's in our sponsor contract."

Vince: "What the hell? Who came up with that?"

John Laurinaitis: "You did, sir."

For all the people who think dropping the PG will 'save' WWE, consider this: WWE didn't really turn PG until around 2008-ish... and for five years before that the internet has done nothing but bitch and whine about how the product sucks. Dropping the PG label and allowing blood and swear words will not instantly boost ratings. In fact, in this day and age, nobody will care except for the parents of all the children who watch WWE today.

@CMPunk
I just saw the Flash on a Segway.

@CMPunk
...and boy oh boy is @cobracommander out of shape.

@CMPunk
Look what Josh Adams made me!!!! yfrog.com/khgrbkhj

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You know what I love about TNA right now? Christy Hemme's ring announcing. She sounds like the old Pride announcer, and it's awesome.

Why does the dumb ass referee do pushups with Steiner all the time...makes no sense.

Holy shit, Dlo got fat.

Cody and Sarita lol

Sarita's mask actually just looks like a regular mask..bleh

Dropping the PG label is only one part of the solution. They have to get back to what made them successful. Developing new exciting storylines while starting to come up with new characters/wrestlers. I'd be lying if I said I thought WWE being PG was the only problem they have. Is it limiting their material? Absolutely, but they have creative issues that are deeper than the PG limitation.

While I do think being PG is a huge reason why WWE is stale, not caring about the fans opinion is as much to blame for ratings. So, to claim simply dropping the PG label will solve everything is wrong. The only way WWE will see improvement is with MAJOR changes. Not being PG is only one part of the equation IMO...

I say drop the PG rating, stop rehashing storylines, and bring back the cruiserweight, women's (legit, not the bullshit they have), and tag team divisions that would breathe new life in WWE.

I wonder if this whole CM Punk "thing" was Triple H's idea...after so many years of Vince NOT "nailing it" in terms of producing something BIG, I just can't accept he all of a sudden decided to push CM Punk to the moon like they did, and also, allow Punk to bring up all those subjects no one EVER dares touch, all that freedom of speech that not even Austin had...

Bringing back the cruiserweight division is an awesome idea. That would give them better matches for TV if given enough time. It worked for WCW during the MNW's, and I'm sure alot of fans would get behind it. I definately don't think giving the belt to Hornswaggle and trashing that division did WWE any favors. Especially after building that division up for 8-9 years with talented guys. It wouldn't single handlely make the ratings what they were before, but having buzz about good matches certainly couldn't hurt....

You guys are ridiculous with this PG stuff if you don't understand how that benefits WWE financially. WWE seems to be doing everything exactly right at the moment, from the amazing CM Punk storyline which has so many possibilities including a possible match with Triple H, an ROH angle, Vinc McMahon's on screen retirement, the introduction of Triple H as the boss, possibly a new character in John Laranitus.

On top of that Daniel Bryan just won the MITB Contract and said he would cash it in at Wrestlemania next year which leads me to believe we may end up with Punk vs Bryan at WM 28.

R-Truth, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, Dolph Ziggler, Alex Riley, and Christian who seem to be on fire every time they step out.

Sure it's not perfect, but when has any wrestling program pleased you in every possible way. WWE appeals to a large audience not just 18 year old fat tits, aka you.

WWE is doing everything right at the moment. It's possible the CM Punk program could explode like the NWO did for WCW, it's possible it may not, either way WWE is on the way to making that moment happen for all of us again, just give it some time.

Being PG definately benefits WWE financally, no doubt about it. From more attractive sponsors to more merchandise being sold to kids. Financally, it makes perfect sense.

But, to ignore WWE being more successful during the PG less era is a huge mistake. The fans were already leaving before due to a stale product. Now, with more limitations, it directly affects how creative WWE can be. Not a good thing for the ratings or the fans...

Double take... the cammo looked like patchy chest hair!

PG PART OF RATINGS PROBLEM

u cant d-ny it

it true n not ridiculas

U ridiculas.

Also, no one is claiming it's the one switch you hit to "fix" the WWE.

Stop trying to act like business executives. Not PG = more ratings, plain.

What

does that have to do with PG = ratings?

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Yo, CSL, what was the Midweek Madness deal on silvervision.co.uk this week? I missed it, hope it wasn't something too good. :-\

Wait, so have they gone back to the 6 sided ring again?

Nah, that was for Destination X. Just another "one night" thing.

This! :yes:

steveaustinBSR Steve Austin by CMPunk



WWE should sign @SamoaJoe as soon as his TNA contract is up. One of my favorite workers in today's game. Needs a full green light push.

The new Ryder shirt is now available on WWE Shop.

I ordered the new Christian shirt last night

Hugo should turn heel at the spanish announce desk.

"you was a cheerleader!"
" I was a MALE cheerleader! What's wrong with that!?"


finally watching MITB PPV (at work) ...LOVING the SD MITB match!

lol thought the same.

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DLVH?

Del Rio needs a hug.

Which will be difficult, since it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory that reached memetic mutation status.

XD. The only thing you left out is Vince firing someone over it.

The problem being that you can remove "Drop PG" from your theory of what will fix WWE and have the same result.

Is it limiting material? Absolutely, but only in the sense that barring hardcore porn in prime time is "limiting" network TV. Somehow, the networks seem to be able to draw good ratings anyway, though.

If Punk could say the word "bitch" ratings would jump into the 5's and that's a fact!

What they really need is Indifferent Clox and Jimmy Perez! That'll top ANYTHING the Attitude Era ever produced.

They need to higher the head OCW writer.

"Leftover Guys with an 'N'" get a generic new theme:

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We Are One :(

attitude era = the word bitch

And if he were champion, ratings would jump to the high 6's...

Yeah, it's pointless to target the PG audience at an adult timeslot.
TiVo/DVRs?

I don't get how being PG is limiting the product, because you cant swear/bleed? If thats the issue why isn't CZW overtaking Raw in the ratings? The Punk angle and the Nexus angle generated a buzz while remaining PG. Just a few months ago the general consensus was that Raw was actually entertaining most weeks. If you produce a compelling entertaining show then being PG shouldnt matter.

Fixed.

:lol:. So apparently AJ Styles named all of his sons with names beginning with "A" so they would have the AJ initials. In addition, he actually named one of them Ajay.

Me finding this out comes from me seeing a picture of Styles in which he seems to have got a ridiculous tattoo of "AJ" and the birth dates of his kids on his side.

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See what our production team can do now that they're not spending hours fixing Sin Cara matches #ReasonsToWatchSmackdown

Actually, I have said over and over that dropping the PG label isn't the entire solution. It's a huge part of why WWE is stale now, but not the entire cause. WWE lacking creativity or unique characters is as much to blame as them being PG. Blaming the PG rating for the whole show being bad would be senseless. My point was if MAJOR changes aren't made, from a creative standpoint, the ratings will continue to suffer.

And when I said limiting, it not only means the "hardcore porn". It also refers to wrestlers not being able to do certain things. Setting limitations for what can or can't be done or said is a receipe for disaster. You can tell half truths or mislead some ppl here, but the ratings tend to agree with my analysis. Their ratings are almost twice as low as they were during the Attitude era. To ignore that connection would be blind ignorance...

TV PG isn't their problem. Shitty writing is their problem. You can have TV PG and have it be entertaining. This Punk angle? PG

Why does anyone think there is a problem? The ratings have been the same for years now.

Dropping the PG label = Just dumb.

MMA = MMA does not have weekly television shows people actually watch. They have pay per view events, but these do not effect WWE.

Shitty Writing = Nexus, CM Punk, and Cena/Rock in the past 365 days (With 2 of them still going on. To a lesser extent you have R-Truth sky rocketing and Daniel Bryan claiming he will turn in his MITB at WM.

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Apparently Funaki does not sign all of Cena's promotional things after all.

That must be the retarded cousin Juan Cena

He looks like he's about to show her the Big Wiggle.

Yup. You may notice I'm not disputing that, but merely stating that the PG portion of your plans are basically superfluous, as you can remove the "end PG" part and pretty much have the same plan.

Hence I compared it to hardcore porn on network. Is it a restriction to the creative process? Technically yes, but practically it's not that big a deal. It's one that could easily be worked around. In fact, it's probably more conducive to the creative process to not rely so much on shock, because of the issue of sensitivity creep.

:rofl:

Actually, it was only a couple years ago that 3.6-ish was the standard, and a 2.9 was considered DISASTROUS.

That's kind of the problem. We're talking about something that does not happen overnight. We're talking about a show that runs for most of the year and where, even in a decline, changes rarely happen from week to week.

WWE used to have the pride of ALWAYS being top ten material in the Nielsens. Actually, they used to almost always be #1 or #2, sometimes both due to the two hours charting separately. I don't follow things as vigorously now, because I don't have fuckwads asking for proof every three weeks, but it seems like they're struggling to keep on it a good chunk of the time. The big exceptions were up against shit like playoffs, or on Holidays, when nobody does well. And those still happen. They just dip lower, because the standard is lower.

No, it's just a kneejerk reaction to a complicated solution from a bunch of people looking for quick fixes and easy answers.

America, FUCK YEAH!

Except when they have specials (Which sometimes do go up against WWE's Monday programming). And in the sense that competing dollars are also an issue here, and money spent on one can readily be argued as money not spent on the other. And when PPVs conflict, or are near to one another, especially since part of the reason for the weekly programming is to sell the PPVs, which can diminish the interest in the program if you know you're watching UFC the night this shit gets resolved.

I don't think this is the sole issue, but they are trying to draw from the same pool to a decent extent.

And of that, the only thing that could be construed as a draw was the Rock. That kinda hurts the argument that it's not shitty writing.

Well, let me redefine that. It's writing nobody seems to give a fuck about. You can argue live crowds, but they can be hot for someone and still not tune in to watch them (I've seen Teddy Long get a hot response ive...Does NOT mean he's a draw).

There is very clearly a problem here in terms of the product, and trying to cite exceptions doesn't do much. But even then, there's a ratings problem, and people didn't seem to care about Nexus, Punk, and I seriouly doubt they care much about Daniel Bryan beyond his "controversy" revolving around Nexus. I'd throw in R-Truth, too, because I have trouble seeing him make a splash.

These may be over with the IWC, but if that's who they're writing to, all it proves is that they shouldn't if they want ratings.

Tyson Kidd got his hair cut off. He now looks exactly like Josh Mathews.

Sheugene

Sheugene Finlay

Not really. You can't make major changes to the product if you're working under PG limitations. How in theory would you have the same plan? Does WWE benefit from having the PG rating? Yes. But, for every pro there is a con. Denying that having the PG rating is a huge problem is ignoring facts. I realize it has benefits, but to say it isn't affecting the product is blind ignorance.

I admit WWE had creative problems long before the switch to PG, but all the change did was limit an already stale product. And having shock value is a great concept if it's done properly. The fans need that kind of concept to keep them hooked on the shows. It worked tremendously during the Attitude era, and it could work now, but it requires alot of effort. Unfortunately, WWE hasn't devoted alot of time into that, and it shows when your watching...

CMPunk Apparently, I'm so influential, even my sitting Indian style mid ring is mimicked. Heavy is the head that wears the crown sorta thing...

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So let me ask you this then: Are you saying the product is stale right now? because ratings aside I think they're doing good right now. As others have said, if they continue presenting the product as they are now, they stand to continue drawing more interest in the product which will in turn show a ratings increase in time. PG or not is not even a factor right now.

You can if you use your brain a little.

All WWE has to do is continue to put out what they've being putting out the last month or so, and slowly but surely they will continue to not only reach out to new fans, but also bring in fans who no longer watch the product for whatever reason.

One of the things WWE MUST do is continue to give CM Punk the opportunity to be THE GUY, I mean, in just a month or so, he has brought back fans who for whatever reason were not following the WWE, the media has put their eye on him and the company after a long time of ignoring wrestling...so one thing they CAN'T do is to just stop pushing Punk. It's clear as day that he is THE GUY WWE NEEDS to have as its leader, its "top guy".

Nor should it ever be.

Vince will say because he's fired he'll buy another wrestling company. He'll go out on roh and buy roh and invade wwe(work). He'll still have heat with punk so he'll have Richards shoot on him in a match and win the wwe title. He'll invade and eventually lose power of roh. Or maybe he'll buy Ufc?

I'm loving this little relationship that Dana White & Vinnie Mac have. Talking business at Titan Towers.

Something is going to happen, SOMETHING!!!!!!