Oregon really sucks

Right now I think an Ohio State vs. Florida National Championship game would be the best of the possible options at this point.

Pretty good game (OSU/UM)

Dunno hard to live up to the "Game of the Millenium" status

I could definitely see a rematch as the National title game though :\

WAKE THE FUCK UP RUTGERS

Its not like you have a chance to go undefeated every year.

Cal's talking alot of shit to USC.

I think USC will probably come out and crush them in the second half.

Rutgers will not enjoy there mid December bowl game. Talk about dropping the ball.

I'm telling you. Arkansas will be in the National Title game if they beat LSU and win the SEC championship game.

Infact, i'm betting that the winner of the SEC Championship game will go to the NC title game. Its Arkansas vs Florida.

TD USC. Coincidently Cal has stopped talking trash.

Wow wtg Rutgers.

Yah, what a bunch of crap. I mean, how do you loose to the Bengals. Everyone beats the Bengals. Half there team is in jail.

RP what if USC also has one loss? How can Arkansas go in over them? USC dropped 50 fucking points on them

I hate to say it, since USC is getting pretty boring with them in there all the time but yeah...

also, lol@ you thinking Ohio State would win by 14 points. Most ridiculous statement ever

I talking about the BCS point system. If Arkansas beats LSU and Florida, they'll probably be number 2 in the BCS system. Its not like it matters who's better, the only thing that matters is who has more points in the BCS. It would most likely be Arkansas

OSU was up 14 points twice in that game. So it was as rediculous as you think.

Like Stima said, if Arkansas and USC both have one loss, even though Arkansas is the better team (IMO) and has done a lot more since losing to USC, all practical logic (being subjective to this BCS system) says you can not give it to Arkansas when USC beat them and has the same record.

I would like to see Florida vs. Ohio State

I'd like to see Michigan vs OSU part deux

You're not understanding me. The BCS isnt built apon opinion. If it was, popular opinion would say Michigan, USC, or Notre Dame. It's built apon numbers. The numbers will add up in the end and if Arkansas wins out, beating #9 LSU ( possibly ranked higher this week ) and # 4 Florida ( possibly ranked as high as #2 or #3 this week ), they'll probably be #2. Its happend like 3 times in the past 5 years. It doesnt matter who you think should get in. The BCS will go by its formula and right now (to me atleast ) it appears that if Arkansas wins out, they will be #2 in the BCS.

In case you didn't know this, the two largest factors in the BCS formula are the USA Today Coaches Poll and the Harris Poll, so they are based a lot around opinion.

Strenght of schedule is also a huge factor and also plays a role in the poll voting.

If Notre Dame wins out and beats USC and Arkansas wins out. You're telling me Notre Dame is better then Arkansas? I dont think so.

No, not at all. But if USC wins out and so does Arkansas, than USC will have the advantage because USC beat Arkansas. If Notre Dame wins out, then they are both 11 win teams, and most people would agree Arkansas is the better team.

Also, can I just say how crrazy it is that we are talking about Arkansas for a national title right now. They weren't even ranked preseason. Good for them, that's sweet.

All I know is USC has to beat UCLA and Oregon St. has to beat Oregon.

Just aslong as ND doesn't make the National Championship game I'll be happy. I'd like to see Florida vs Ohio State, I think that'd be the best match up.

Still got a feeling ND is gonna fucking sneak in tho

Arkansas can still loss a game and make it to the SEC championship game right? Cuz if they can, then they go on to beat Florida in the SEC championship game and ND beats USC. I'm seeing ND in the game even though Michigan would be getting robbed.

Does Michigan have any more games? I thought yesterday was their last, and if it was, then I really don't see Notre Dame sneaking in. If Michigan has another game and loses it, then maybe, but nobody is going to vote an 11-1 Notre Dame team in above an 11-1 Michigan team, when Notre Dame lost to Michigan and Michigan lost to the nations best team.

So basically, I am hoping Notre Dame doesn't get in too, but I don't see that being likely.

Right now, I think this is the order of teams most likely to be No. 2:
1. Michigan
2. Florida
3. USC
4. Arkansas
5. Notre Dame

I only say Michigan because they are still No. 2 in the BCS right now, so something big would probably have to happen in the SEC title game to get them over.

Michigan/Ohio State is always the last game of the year for both teams.

Arkansas has to play LSU this Saturday and could very easily drop that game but I think they would still be in the title game wouldn't they? Since they are currently undefeated in the SEC. So say that happens and then they beat Florida and ND beats USC it SHOULD be Michigan but will it? I really don't know, ND could riding the hype machine right into the National Championship game (where they will probably lose by 20 points)

AP Top 25 Ranking

Rank Team Record Pts Last Week
1. Ohio State (65) (12-0) 1625 1
2. Michigan (11-1) 1502 2
3. USC (9-1) 1493 4
4. Florida (10-1) 1451 3
5. Arkansas (10-1) 1365 5
6. Notre Dame (10-1) 1307 6
7. West Virginia (9-1) 1144 8
8. Louisville (9-1) 1078 10
9. LSU (9-2) 1075 9
10. Wisconsin (11-1) 1049 12
11. Texas (9-2) 1028 11
12. Boise State (11-0) 878 13
13. Oklahoma (9-2) 856 16
14. Auburn (10-2) 822 15
15. Rutgers (9-1) 736 7
16. Georgia Tech (9-2) 667 18
17. Virginia Tech (9-2) 583 19
18. Boston College (9-2) 516 20
19. Tennessee (8-3) 404 22
20. Wake Forest (9-2) 355 14
21. Brigham Young (9-2) 325 23
22. California (8-3) 302 17
23. Nebraska (8-3) 258 24
24. Clemson (8-3) 122 25
25. Hawaii (9-2) 89 26


Bowl Champ. Series Ranking
Harris USAToday Computer BCS
Rk Team Rec Rk Pts % Rk Pts % Rk Avg Avg Pre
1. Ohio St. (12-0) 1 2850 1.000 1 1575 1.000 1 1.000 .0000 1
2. Michigan (11-1) 3 2600 .912 3 1428 .907 2 .960 .9263 2
3. USC (9-1) 2 2621 .920 2 1444 .917 3 .920 .9188 3
4. Florida (10-1) 4 2531 .888 4 1407 .893 4 .870 .8838 4
5. Notre Dame (10-1) 5 2347 .824 6 1285 .816 5 .820 .8198 5
6. Arkansas (10-1) 6 2345 .823 5 1302 .827 7 .770 .8065 7
7. West Virginia (9-1) 7 2051 .720 7 1151 .731 9 .700 .7168 8
8. Wisconsin (11-1) 9 1888 .662 9 1053 .669 8 .710 .6803 9
9. Louisville (9-1) 10 1857 .652 11 944 .599 6 .780 .6770 10
10. LSU (9-2) 8 1889 .663 8 1081 .686 11T .580 .6431 11
11. Boise St. (11-0) 12 1609 .565 12 862 .547 11T .580 .5640 12
12. Auburn (10-2) 13 1449 .508 13 825 .524 13 .570 .5341 14
13. Texas (9-2) 11 1731 .607 10 994 .631 15 .360 .5328 13
14. Rutgers (9-1) 15 1270 .446 16 641 .407 10 .590 .4809 6
15. Oklahoma (9-2) 14 1404 .493 14 795 .505 20 .270 .4225 17
16. Georgia Tech (9-2) 16 1157 .406 15 655 .416 16T .350 .3906 18
17. Virginia Tech (9-2) 17 1049 .368 17 561 .356 16T .350 .3581 21
18. Boston College (9-2) 18 927 .325 18 540 .343 19 .310 .3260 20
19. California (8-3) 23 512 .180 22 265 .168 14 .470 .2726 15
20. Tennessee (8-3) 19 675 .237 21 326 .207 18 .330 .2579 22
21. Wake Forest (9-2) 20 605 .212 20 343 .218 22 .160 .1967 16
22. Nebraska (8-3) 22 520 .182 19 353 .224 24 .030 .1455 23
23. Brigham Young (9-2) 21 565 .198 23 256 .163 NR .020 .1269 25
24. Clemson (8-3) 24 215 .075 24 174 .110 23 .090 .0920 --
25. Penn St. (8-4) 30 10 .004 31 2 .001 21 .190 .0649 --

Others Receiving Votes:
Maryland 55, TCU 16, Texas A&M 13, Penn State 6, Georgia 3, Arizona 1, Oregon State 1


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No. USC will gain points by beating ND.

How is ND ahead of Arkansas in the top 25?

The SEC title game is locked. Arkansas vs Florida. No matter what happens in the LSU game.

Forget about Notre Dame, if Notre Dame gets in over Michigan, reguardless of whether they beat USC or not, this whole things is completly fucked up once again and deserves no attention whatsoever. Notre Dame can not possibly get in over Michigan. That would be the supidest thing ever. Not after Michigan crushed Notre Dame.

USC however, could sneak past Michigan with a win over ND, if the BCS points work out that way.

Arkansas could also sneak past all of them if they win out. It happend like 3 years ago, i think it happend to USC. USC played there last game and LSU snuck in because they won the SEC championship ( extra game ).

I dont care how much talk this shit generates, its stupid. Someone is getting screwed reguardless. Its just fucking stupid.

If Arkansas ends up losing to LSU but beating Florida, they are still out of the game. They have to win out to have a chance, so does Florida.

I agree with RP, Notre Dame should under no circumstances get in over Michigan, and I don't think they will.

If Rutgers beats WVU, they're probably still in a BCS game, but i'm not sure cause there some rule where if a mid major ranks top 12 in the BCS, they get a automatic bid into a BCS game. That mid major would be Boise St. Who is the only other undefeated team on the year.

Arkansas obviously has to win out to have any shot at the NC title game, which brings me back to my original point. If ND beats USC, Arkansas wins out and theirs no possible way ND should leap frog Michigan, then it would be Arkansas or Michigan right??

Yeah the Big East champ has a BCS game no matter what, so if they beat WVU they would have the head to head againest Louisville and WVU so they'd be in.

Did they add another BCS game for this season? I thought they did for some reason so now there is 5 instead of 4. Cuz if not, theres gonna be Michigan, ND and Boise St all eligable for at-large bids and the old system only had 2 at larges

Yeah there's 5 games. The Fiesta Bowl and the BCS Title Game aren't the same thing even though they're played in the same place. So it's those 2 plus the Sugar, Orange, and Rose like normal. I dunno how the at large thing is gonna work this year because the Big 12 and ACC are fucking up the rankings. The way things are now it looks like Wisconsin is gonna play in a BCS bowl which I dunno how that could happen but whatever.

Big East (Louisville probably since WVU is gonna beat Rutgers I think)
ACC (No clue..probably Georiga Tech)
Big 12 (Texas probably)
Big 10 (Ohio State)
Pac10 (USC)
SEC (Florida or Arkansas)

At large
Norte Dame
Michigan
Boise State
And probably gonna come down to loser of the Arkansas/Florida game or Wisconsin

Hopefully its BC playing in the BCS game as the ACC representive though..still got an outside shot at it

I could be totally wrong here, but theirs some rule that says if team like Boise St gets the top 12 BCS, they get a automatic bid and if the ACC team has 4 losses and still win the conference, they get there BCS bid taken.

Again, i could be wrong, but i swear i heard something like that.