Aim to be like Greece? What? European Champions? Now who is living in dreamland? Nicholas is a numpty and Gray is useless fat baldy English bastard. Get Souness or Fergie talking. You know, jocks who actually gain respect.

With Brown we were sh</>ite. Hard to beat my arse. We had as many bad results and never played nowhere near the same standard of teams. I love McFadden but he was garbage last night.

As for Northern Ireland, they went 12 games without scoring a freaking goal! They are nowhere near our league and that's saying something considering how sh</>ite we are. At the end of the day, under Vogts, how many competitive games have we lost? Three. An extremely dodgy penalty (aka homer decision) in Lithuania, narrow defeat to Germany (world cup finalists) and a beating from Holland who we beat 4 days before. Hardly that embarrassing is it?

so whats his full record with yourselves then?

LUIS GARCIA :love:

XABI ALONSO :love:

Hey Rob Vogts should have gone a long time ago. We have absolutely no width and no organisation. His competitive record is the following although I can't remember the order of games:
2 - 2 vs Faroe Islands
2 - 0 win vs Iceland
1 - 0 loss vs Lithuania
1 - 0 win vs Lithuania
3 - 1 win vs Faroe Islands
2 - 1 win vs Iceland
1 - 1 draw vs Germany
2 - 1 loss vs Germany
1 - 0 win vs Holland
6 - 0 loss vs Holland

So narrow victories against Lithuania and Iceland. Draws and defeats to Faroe Islands and Lithuania which aren't good enough. A victory against Holland but we were insanely lucky.

With Vogts in charge Scotland lack spirit, directiona nd any sense of organisation. Tell me when Craig Brown was in charge how often did we get beat 3-0 or 4-0 by mediocre teams like Hungary. The people who said we should aim to be like Greece are right. Not in terms of their success because that just isn't happening Greece are proof that with a bit of simple organisation teams can be hard to beat. I also don't believe that Vogts is the best motivater in the world.

Basically he should have gone a long time ago and with him at the helm we are going to really struggle in the World Cup qualifiers.

But then again if you are happy with a shambolic team who have no organisation and get easily get beaten by Hungary, Romania and Austria then that's up to you.

I think the point is that Scotland would struggle in the qualifiers even if jesus was in charge of them.

bertie bassett could do a better job than berti vogts.

the scottish FA should do 3 things:

1. sack vogts
2. get Martin O'Neil or Souness to do the job part time.
3. put a limit of 5 forginers only allowed in any scottish league team at any 1 time ( as same in england they are stopping the youngsters coming through)

A part time national manager would not work.

Scotland already has a rule which states that a certain number of players in each squad must be under 21.

i was only saying part time as dont think they could get them away from club football fulltime. O'Neil would do an excellent job (im now talking FT) as has ability to get the best out of players. where as souness would break their legs in training if they didnt perform on the pitch.

either one of them or maybe even david moyles at everton, i think he would do a good job.

also i think rather than a limit on players aged 21 the rule of only 5 forginers (i.e english people aswell in that catagory) would work better as it will mean more scottish players given a chance and match experience!

but what do i care im english bertie keep up the good work :)

Gordon Strachan is definetly the man for the job. He took a by no means great Southampton team who regularly faced a relegation battle each year and turned them into a strong team because he motivated the players and could organise the team.

ive a sneaky feeling he'll return to southampton, dont know why but think the fans would go apeshit if hoddle returns so i think lowe may try to temp strachan back!

I have a feeling that Strachan may be tempted to go back to SOuthampton as well. Imagine the reaction of fans if Hoddle returned.

Souness is losing it though.

And I think what RBF meant by the Greece thing is that before the championships none of their players were well known or meant to be that good, they always played against teams better them then, but because of the way they play as a team they won the games. Without their manager they would never have won it, they would have been out in no time like usual, but the manager used the players he had to their fullest and look what happened. Thats what I think RBF meant anyway, either that or he meant by having a German manager :shifty:

Woodgate has signed for Real for £14m

Ricardo Fuller has signed a 2 year deal with Pompey on a pay-per-play basis

Andy Van Der Meyde has said there's no way he'll sign for Everton (:lol: )

Diego Forlan is set to be sold to Villarreal

Norwich has signed Doherty from Spurs too.

I am kinda suprised as I thought Doherty was pretty good.

Dazz, Gary Doherty is absolutely fucking shite.

I can only assume you have NEVER seen him play.

I have seen him play occasionally, personally I think that the main person Spurs should get rid of is Tarrico, there is no one worse then that cunt.

I think they should have kept Doherty and Carr ahead of him. Having said that Doherty seems to be better in attack.

Doesn't that leave Newcastle kind of screwed in terms of defenders. Bramble's crap and Huth isn't anything special either. Paper said they were looking at him as Woodgate's replacement.

No, Dazz, Doherty is terrible. He isn't better in attack, he's just awful.

Every time he lines out for Ireland I cringe. Against Bulgaria on Wednesday night, a friendly played at walking pace, he still managed to make a mistake every other time the ball came in his direction. Almost cost a goal in the first minute.

Luckily Kenny Cunningham is the man.

Steve Carr wanted out of Spurs and was refusing to sign a new contract.

And Newcastle have Aaron Hughes and Andy O'Brien, which is a pretty decent central defensive partnership. With the money they got for Woodgate too, they can get a defender who actually plays more than a quarter of the games Newcastle have.

Huth needs time, he is the fucking man, he just needs to relax abit, but I am pretty sure we wont loan Huth to a team that might (well they wont be but people seem to believe they might) be a threat to Chelsea, I know he wont be able to play against us but he'd still help them do better so we wouldn't loan him to then.

You'd know more about Doherty then me as I don't see him play often. O'Brien is a liability, twice last season he fouled the last man and got sent off (once Vs Chelsea when we won 5-0 and I forget the other team). If Newcastle as to have any hope of getting a Champions League place they need to replace Woodgate.

O'Brien is a good defender. Fouling the last man a couple of times doesn't make him a liability. He's the new Martin Keown. Ugly, doesn't give a shit about where he puts his body. Just sticks to attackers like a rash.

He was man of the match for us against Brazil earlier this year. Marked Ronaldinho out of the game.

[QUOTE=legendkiller]Doesn't that leave Newcastle kind of screwed in terms of defenders. QUOTE]

yeh its funny isnt it!

the chairman clearly undermines his manager throughout the summer then after the first game of season he sells one of his better players behind his back (mind you saying that he prob discussed it with robson,he agreed to sell, then pissed himself and forgot about the whole thing).

woodgate only played 37 out of a possible 128 games while at newcastle (as per teletext) im wondering how many he completed ? i think it is good business as he wont last a full season so would most likly play the defenders he has now anyway.

if robson is allowed to spend any of the money (which i think he wont as will be gone by christmas) i think he will go for dawson from forrest!

Dawson is a good call.

if they get him that will be a robson signing, he has a think about signing lower league players and turning them into premiership players.

if the sign huth then that is a freddie shepard signing.

who do people think will replace sir bobby?

if its at end of season then martin o'neil but if its mid season then i think it'll poss be strachan if still available. dont think shearer is ready for it yet.

Martin O'Neill probably wouldn't leave Celtic for Newcastle. I know a lot of Celtic fans and season ticket holders, and all the talk from them seems to be that around Celtic, the understanding is that O'Neill will eventually take over at Old Trafford, at the end of this season or the season after.

Yes but there are always rumours, the reason that O'Neill is linked with United is it seems the obvious choice. Celtic and ManYoo have a similar connection to that of Chelsea and Rangers used to. O'Neill has been the man at Celtic and was great at Leicester, everyone expects Fergie to be the next big manager to go, so O'Neill will always be linked, I think its all rumours. I do believe that O'Neill will be their next manager but thats my opinion andf its one I have held for along time, people could pass of rumours like that as being Gospel because everyone thinks it.

I think it's more down to O'Neill really loving Celtic, and having the chance to test himself in Europe regularly, and that he would only leave there for a really big job.

He could go to Newcastle, but you have to say his chances of breaking the monopoly at the top would be slim. I think he'd rather go to a top club he would could propel to genuine greatness.

BY*E FORLAN

BYE

BYEBYE

WOOO

So United haven't proppelled to geniune greatness then? Being the best team in the last decade in England and consistantly reaching at least the quarters of the Champions league (I know they didnt last year, Mourinho :love: ) isn't bad going. :p

I didn't say they hadn't, but I mean from the point O'Neill takes over, he has the chance to manage a team capable of dominating a top league and Europe.

Forlan's no loss. I feel kind of sorry for him because he did try his best but in the end he wasn't good enough.

Forlan tried his heart out but nobody wanted him to suceed since the first day he arrived. He has been unlucky at United. For his country, the man has been a class act so you can't say he is no good when he can perform at that level.

Best of luck to him at Villareal.


As for Scotland, we'd be just as bad regardless of the manager. The players aren't performing. Simple as that.

Got to agree with you there. I have a feeling he would be good if given a solid run in the team but I don't think he is as good as Ruud, Saha or Smith and he can't do much when he is only given 10 - 15 minutes on the pitch. Best of luck to him. Thanks Diego for all the effort.

He'll come back to haunt us. And I'll cheer for him. The guy only had 7 Premiership starts last season. Sounds real fair.

why would you cheer for any player who came back to haunt us? :|

he won't do anyt such thing anyway. He has a tendancy to pull spectacular goals out of nowhere, but he also has a way of pissing absolutely everyone off. Much like Fabien Barthez really.

and WTF was with the brades in his hair, cheers for nabbing him from the airport when we were ment to sign him, lucky escape me thinks!

spurs have signed carrick on a 4 year deal

News says that Ledley King is on a list of players that Newcastle are lining up as a replacement.