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Wait, what? Why?
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I don't really have an issue with making him black, it is all the same to me.... but can't picture Fishbourne being a good Perry.
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Cowboy Curtis as Perry White...
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Perry White was basically the prototype for J. Jonah Jameson, the loud boisterous overbearing boss who hounds poor Jimmy and only puts up with Lois's back-talk because she's an awesome reporter. Granted, he's not as much of a total bastard as Jameson, but he's still supposed to be the old news-room lion.
I really just can't see Morpheus being able to pull that off. Plus, I'm getting really sick of supporting characters in long-standing superhero series suddenly getting race-changed for no other reason than 'because we need more black people.' Is it really that hard just to create a new character? |
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Giant-Size Man of Steel:
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Also, he better have red underpants hidden in that shadow. :mad:
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Henry looks great. Love how he has a certain intensity in eyes. Routhe really lacked that in the last film. Hoping this is good.
And I agree with LJ. Better see some red undies when he walks out of that shadow. |
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Just noticed the \S/ symbol is very reminiscent of the Earth-2 Superman logo.
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Cool enough Superman pic, but to be honest I'm kinda bored with Superman movies, and with Batman being the only exception, DC movies generally tend to suck nowadays.
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Judging on the one other example.
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Superman Returns wasn't that good. Catwoman and Jonah Hex were fucking awful. Haven't seen Green Lantern but that's received nothing much but bad reviews. All of DC's off-shoot movies received mixed reviews, films like Watchmen, V For Vendetta etc. (I liked V for the record, but found WM incredibly boring after the first half hour).
All's I'm saying is that outside of Batman, DC doesn't really have a great track record, not since the original Superman movies anyway. And of those, 3 and 4 were also crappy. I'm still standing by my original statement earlier in this thread that the only thing that could really spike my interest in a Superman movie is if he had a fucking monster of an opponent like Doomsday. |
Plus, we have Batman next year AND The Avengers!!! Couldn't give a fuck about Superman right about now.
Of course, I'll probably eat my words in a couple of years time once this movie has made a billion dollars and been ranked better than The Dark Knight etc. |
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The invincible guy still shouldn't be wearing armor.
Also, maybe I'm wrong, but the numbered robots there might be a throwback to the old Max Fleischer Superman cartoon "The Mechanical Monsters." Which, I'll admit, is a nice little shout-out if that's what they're doing. Still doesn't make me want to buy it, though. |
JLA #1 hasn't even come out and it's already the best sold book of 2011. Apparently over 100,000 pre-orders have been made. Tons of pre-orders have also been made for other series. Interesting. Still not buying shit tho. Pissed about this crap.
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I always dreamed of a Superman without underwear and now that it has happened..it looks awful. Maybe there will be CGI trunks? :shifty:
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Yeah I figured they would tie in the DCnU design. I'm fine with it.
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By the way, I fucking hate it.
Guaranteed it will look better on film than it does in those shitty candid set shots. I get that. But that's not the point. Superman's outfit is ICONIC. I thought it was bad enough that Singer shrunk his symbol down and put gay little "S" marks all over him, but what Snyder's doing might be worse. There's no reason to nix the red underwear look. It's a trademark in his outfit and he looks WRONG without them. This, of course, is purely my opinion. |
And, of course.... it is the RIGHT opinion.
By the way, seeing Charlie Brown reminds me, some comic book company is gonna start making new Peanuts comics. |
I've been waiting for Clark to lose the trunks for years, I just really think a yellow belt would round out his color set. I learned at a Superman portion of a local museum that primary colors made Superman distinct, now he's like this blue/red thing. He needs a yellow belt.
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I think the movie one does have the yellow belt. At least, it looked kinda gold/yellow in the official picture.
But, yeah, he should have trunks and never ever should lose them. |
Well at the very least, he looks damn imposing even from a blurry far shot. That's a Superman right there, not like Routh's 'cover boy' Superman (I still miss him, though).
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Top half is also crap.
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I like the new Superman and Supergirl look. I don't think the trunks are always necessary just like the yellow oval in the Batman symbol isn't always needed. I do however prefer Supergirl with a mini skirt, it looks cool.
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New Supergirl's top half is nice, hints at an overall regal look. Then it gets glaringly slutty for no reason.
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The trunks SHOULD be necessary. They really tied the costume together.
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It is Faora in the picture.
Whoever the other dude is, he may be crazy tall, because he has a stick extending from the top of his head for an eyeline. Perhaps they decided to randomly have Non be a CGI super big guy. |
Costume does look pretty weird without the trunks. Either way I'm still feeling pretty pesimistic about this movie. I'm sure it'll make shit-loads of cash due to cinema-goers checking it out, but I really don't think maybe people outside of actual Superman fans giving a shit about Superman anymore. The whole 'invincible guy' thing just doesn't work anymore. It's why people love characters like Spider-Man and Batman, because they're not invincible and have flaws. Or why Hancock (which was an okay film) was an interesting character because he was invincible but an alcoholic.
Plus I've said this many times, but I don't want to see Superman facing Lex Luthor or human-in-appearance enemies anymore. It's 2011, give me Doomsday, Darkseid, Lobo or someone who will look badass on the screen, and will look like they can actually fuck shit up. I'll reserve proper judgment until I see the movie, but these are my opinions now, before anything has even been released. |
Plus I've just noticed, considering he's one of the most famous super heroes of all time, Superman has a fucking awful rogues gallery. I really struggled to think of Darkseid (though I love Doomsday), and Lobo is hardly a 'villain'. I mean, apart from Lex Luthor, who else is there that people outside of the DC fanbase would know?
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Or, maybe next movie Superman has an epic battle with... THE PRANKSTER.
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And I absolutely fucking haaaate the no-trunks look. Without them to break up the monotony, my eye is drawn away from the \S/ and towards that big blue space in the middle of his torso. It's distracting, and frankly bland. More to the point, it's completely fucking unnecessary. Like Fox said, the Superman costume is absolutely iconic. It's ingrained in the popular consciousness, and is a timeless look. So what if the trunks are outdated and old-school? Superman IS an old-school hero--hell, he's THE old-school hero! Superman stood on the ruins of the pulp era, lashed together the corpses of Doc Savage and the Phantom, and built the fucking old school! DC and WB should be proud of the fact that they've got the progenitor and the gold-standard of all superhero mythology, instead of acting ashamed of it and trying to shit all over 73 years of legacy by dressing him up in shitty fan-art designs to make him look more 'modern.' You don't fuck with a timeless look in order to catch up with temporary trends. That's what I can't stand about the DCnU look, and it's what I can't stand about Snyderman. I won't even go into all the things that suck about Supergirl's new costume. |
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The last time I read a DC comic, I think Lex Luthor was the President or some nonsense. Is this still the case?
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Yeah..I totally stand with Rammsteinmad with this issue.
Part of the reason why I always run away from DC comics is that the villains just don't appeal to me. With the exception of the Batman rogues and a few here and there..it is pretty awful. LL is boring to me. If they are going to bring him in, at least add something new. Lets see the Luthor warsuit or something. Part of the reason of Superman's boredom is the lack of villains as pointed before. Hearing James Robinson speak at a convention once..he mentioned how hard it is to write for Superman. Just..to come up with credible threats for a man that is pretty much flawless is tough on writers. |
My greatest hope is that after this reboot of the Superman franchise that we will actually get to see Superman vs Doomsday on the big screen. It HAS to happen. It's the most iconic big-time fight in DC history - the one where Superman is actually killed and reborn - it's the fucking Jesus Christ story of superheroes, and the film industry has the technology to do it right and give us a 30-minute long action packed super fight that will be incredible.
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If you have to have the big meaty villain because Superman needs to punch someone, go with Darkseid, or Mongul, or even Metallo (my personal hope for the next Supes villain is Brainiac). At least they have actual personalities and backstories and aren't just half-assed ripoffs of the Hulk. Quote:
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Doesn't really matter if Doomsday isn't a 'villain', since they can make exceptions for a movie.
As for Luthor, the problem is (for me anyway), despite being über smart etc, he's just a regular human being. How the fuck am I supposed to accept that Superman can beat Doomsday, Darkseid, Metallo and all these other fucking monsters, yet time and time again he gets one-upped by a fucking human being? I've said it before and I'll say it again, nothing will interest me in a Superman movie now, unless we see him take on some fucking monstrous creature such as DD or DS. |
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Eh, not really. That was quite a good fight-- Batman played on Superman's boy-scout morality to resist Poison Ivy's mind-control (notice all the leaves around Supes' neck), knowing Clark pull his punches enough for Bruce to survive, and then by having Catwoman throw Lois off of the Daily Planet building, forcing Superman to break out of Ivy's control in order to save her and ending the fight.
Goes to show that with the right plan and enough brains, you can take on a Kryptonian pretty easily (In fact, Superman gets his ass kicked an awful lot in the comics, basically to appease non-fans who just bitch and moan about the fact that he's 'too powerful' and 'nothing bad ever happens to him.'). And Batman's got an even more strict no-killing code than Superman. Take someone like Luthor, who's got no problem butchering thousands of people to get what he wants and is even smarter than Batman, and put him in a similar situation, and you've got a real genuine threat. That's how you pit human villains like Luthor; you play on his moral limitations, put him in situations where being able to fly really fast and pick up heavy things don't do him any good, use Lex's massive resources and influence to turn the world against Supes. You don't just have him challenge him to a fist-fight. That's what I really can't stand about the argument that people just want to see a villain that can punch Superman. Would The Dark Knight have been any better if the Joker was also a ninja who could hang with Batman in a kung-fu fight? A proper villain needs to challenge the hero on a mental and philosophical level, not just a physical one. It's a lot more satisfying to see a grand master-plan unfold or see the villain twist the hero's beliefs against him, not just have them roar and throw punches really hard. |
Switching gears to lighter note.
I finally saw Watchmen on TNT last week. I have to say despite what many people said on here at the time... SPOILER: show They needed that part in the movie. Overall it was a good movie, and they did have many important scenes from the book in the movie. The fight scenes were very well done to. |
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Doomsday would only work as somebody's muscle. Perhaps refashioned as a Lexcorp experiment, Brainiac's pet, or even Darksied's minion, but he will never headline as the main villain. He was simply a gimmick, even if Death of Superman was a historic thing.
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Doesn't matter. I just wanna see a non-human looking villain.
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Besides, it doesn't really matter what Doomsday was... the movie has to cater to cinema-non-fans as much as comic fans. They could easily alter him to fit into the movie.
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The last time I read DOS was something like ten years ago, but I loved it back then.
Superman/Doomsday was pretty epic too. Probably why Doomsday is one of the only Supes villains I care about. Just think he would be a badass monster to see on screen, and the fight would rage across the city with shit-loads of destruction etc, would look pretty sweet. Or Darkseid. |
Nowhere Man: Just curious, is Superman your favourite character?
I remember someone in this thread said this a while back. Can't remember who it was and too lazy to read through the thread to find it. |
Yes, Superman is my favorite character. Has been since I read Kingdom Come about ten years ago. That's why I get so bent out of shape when people want to just take the Michael-Bay-Transformers approach to the franchise and dilute it down to just monsters and fight scenes for the sake of people who aren't even all that interested in it.
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Well, my question had nothing to do with you 'getting bent out of shape'... I was simply curious.
Anywho... Gimme Doomsday or Darkseid and let Michael Bay direct it with 17 explosions-per-minute and I will be happy. :p |
Superman is one of my favorites, though lately I've been a Thor mark.
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Having read Superman comics, I can whole heartedly agree with what NM is saying and state that whos idea it was to make Superman Returns deserves to burn to death in a boiling pit of tar while fireants are poured over their face and ghost chili sauce is shot up their nose.
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That doesn't really explain much. Though I haven't read Fear Itself so I dunno.
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I'm a mainstream Thor mark. I can't be arsed to follow the funny books. I do know Thor got his ass handed to him by Odin in Fear Itself 1. I liked that.
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Oh, that Tanarus picture didn't show up for me the first time... still doesn't explain much to me though.
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It's just....I've been a hardcore fan of the comics for about a decade, I've read some absolutely phenomenal stories, and some total garbage ones. I've seen the best and worst of what the franchise has to offer, and when you've got a series that's been around for over seventy years, it's got an awful lot. There are tons of great characters and villains, lots of great stories from guys like Elliot Maggin and Alan Moore and Mark Waid that delve into all the things that work and don't work about Superman, lots of creative plots and problems that only someone as powerful and implaccable as Superman could solve. The potential for truly epic, high-concept storytelling is there, and you can do so much with that franchise that you just can't do with someone like Batman or Iron Man. And yet, from just about every discussion I've had with non-fans, all they see is a two-dimensional strongman who wins all of his fights without breaking a sweat, and that the only villain ever worth using is the big dumb monster who's only famous for killing him in a comic that was frankly pretty terrible and only existed as a publicity stunt in the first place. The common complaints about the \S/ mythos ("he's too powerful, he's too much of a goody-two-shoes, how come nobody notices Clark is just Superman with glasses," etc) have been addressed over and over and over and over and over in the comics, but since most people don't read the comics, the common perception of the character never changes. It's just really frustrating, trying to get people to see what you like in a character or a story that is really only ever discussed as fodder for people to bash it when comparing it to 'cooler' series. |
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I think some of us like Superman at the more intellectual capacity. The problem is that..not to sound like a Debby Downer..I just don't see that translating well in film. Maybe I am too negative. I love the Kingdom Come Superman and a lot of other stories he has over the years. Superman #666 was a great story IMO. I wish they would have expanded it longer than one issue. Made me feel like Superman is the John Cena of comics and he might crack some day.
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Superman is not the Cena of comics. Batman is. Let's be honest here.
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Like seriously, check out this fan-made Superman/Doomsday video. Pretty awesome video to be honest. But come on, who wouldn't want to see a proper, big-screen big-budget version of this? Would be incredible! Since they can afford to make a few changes to cater to non-comic fans, you could either replace Doomsday with Darkseid, who maybe have Doomsday as one of DS's generals or something?
Either way, this video has me sold on why I want to see a Superman movie with a fucking beast of a villain, and not another human. <iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lX6Fa_bVCro" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
Also, I don't think the Death of Superman story would be any good for a movie, but that video is really epic and dramatic. Really feel for Superman, it's like he has no choice but to face this fuck-off monster of a beast, Doomsday, because he's the only one who can.
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I miss Brandon Routh.
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Catching up with DC Comics again. Feeling great depths of sadness as I read the last stories of whatever series.
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THANK HEAVENS
It has been confirmed that there will be a Justice Society of America series in the DCnU, written by James Robinson no less. The catch is that it will be set on Earth-2. So who knows which characters make the cut, or if they decide to bring dead ones back to life. |
Went to the comic store the other day and "changed" my mind about the reboot. Ended up subscribing to JLA and Batman.
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You got sucked in by the hype. :(
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You're dead to me, Luigi.
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Just the first 3 issues of each.
If they are good then I will come here and share my discovery. If they are bad, I will just delete that post and this one to prove that it never happened .. |
I also subscribed to Justice League, Batman and Action Comics. The idea of a new DCU doesn't bother me as much, I already know that comics always use sales gimmicks and sometimes they happen to churn out good stories from whatever gimmick they do, depending on the creative team.
I tend to go for creative team and characters I like, so yeah. |
Does anyone remember the heroes reborn deal Marvel pulled like 15 years ago?
I have some of the issues still. Remember it sucked. The reboot is kinda reminding me of that ordeal. http://images.comiccollectorlive.com...c99dcb4811.jpg |
Read the last of the old universe Batman stuff. Really gonna miss:
- Dick Grayson as Batman - Dick Grayson and Damien as Batman and Robin - Stephanie Brown as Batgirl - Stephanie Brown and Robin interactions - Red Robin as he currently exists - Birds of Prey core team of Oracle/Black Canary/Huntress/Lady Blackhawk - Barbara Gordon being a cripple - Harley Quinn being Harley Quinn |
Don't worry--they'll all be back within a year or two when the novelty of the reboot wears off and they try to spike sales again by reintroducing the 'classic' DCU in yet another gimmicky event.
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I assume it will revert back somewhat eventually, but never to the current status quo.
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It'll probably be like the post-Infinite Crisis continuity, where they just kind of cherry-picked what stuff they wanted to bring back from pre-CoIE, what stuff they wanted to keep from post-CoIE, what new stuff to bring in, etc. I imagine when they inevitably undo the reboot (my guess is so it'll line up with Detective Comics #900--no way in hell they'd skip out on that milestone), it'll be a mish-mash of pre- and post-reboot DCU.
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It already is a mish-mash. Some titles are getting a full reboot. Others like Green Lantern seems to be getting no reboot at all.
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Which kind of seems pointless to me. Why bother doing a company-wide mass reboot, changing flagship characters like Superman to the point where they're barely recognizable, but then leave one of your biggest franchises untouched? I understand that, other than Dick and Tim and Barbara all getting demoted, Batman's continuity is largely unchanged too.
I guess it could be said that those franchises were already rebooted and retconned enough in recent years (all of the huge changes Johns has done to GL since Rebirth, Morrison's stuff on Batman like adding in a bastard son, etc), but then it just comes off as certain writers getting to have their works set in stone while everyone else's gets thrown into the bin. |
Well, Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison had the largest creative input into the reboot... and they were both probably like "Yeah, let's reboot everything.... oh, but except for the books that we are working on. We don't want to lose all that stuff we did. Screw those other guys though."
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DC wouldn't have any of these problems if they just did a live-action Superman/Doomsday movie.
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Doomsday sucks. Get over it.
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