Why can’t they just put on good wrestling? Why does something need to be shit just because? And not charging for it is not an excuse to not try. And they didn’t charge for it because they couldn’t get away with it.

You don’t need to have your philosophy all over the map. It’s just not true. You don’t need an action film interrupted by a musical number. You just don’t need to do it. I’m more frustrated that they seem to know what is good and how that emotionally hooks people. But then they just...choose not too.

That’s by default though. And that’s what I’ve always supported about them. The Khans have got the money to actually do this. My concern is that when their stuff gets out there and let’s say it flops — we’ll have another period where it is only WWE. That is why it is heartbreaking to think about how WCW fucked up.

They’ve got this golden opportunity, and if they miss it, I’m worried that no one else is going to try. If they succeed, maybe someone else will invest and then we can get AEW vs. something else. Maybe something better or just something different?

I don’t see how WWE doing something bad means we have to like it when someone else does something bad. I just don’t get that at all.

You can say that about anything though. Aren’t movies just bullshit? Guess we shouldn’t try and make a good one. Sorry if it sounds like I’m picking on you, but the apologetics for AEW coming off like a wannabe WWE in certain ways is pretty wild.

Shit like The Librarians, whatever the fuck that means, is easily as bad, possibly even worse, than WWE shit. It’s fucking atrocious. If that was a WWE gimmick, everyone would roast it and you know it.

I want them to do well. My fandom kind of needs them to. But I’m fucking terrified that they’re going to get the world watching and there will be lots of bad comedy and “look at us being too cool to try” shit and the first wave of reviews are going to be “more of the same.” People are forgetting that just having good wrestling is even possible.

How have people not realized that The Librarian stuff is a shot at WWE? Its supposed to suck and be like a WWE gimmick, that's the point.

That isn't overtly obvious, not at all. And even if it was, or is true, it doesn't excuse it. It's still bad. Why would you take up your time "tribute mocking" WWE with a gimmick that has no literal connection at all to WWE. I see how you are making it make sense to yourself but I think it's shit.

Even if that is the case, making part of your show suck intentionally and be a worse version of WWE just to take a “shot” at WWE doesn't exactly make it better. In fact, it’s much worse.

Oh. Jordan gets it.

WWE is bad because it’s basically become a bad parody of wrestling. Making a bad parody of a bad parody doesn’t cancel out the bad.

Been pretty obvious I think. Especially the stuff they've done with it on BTE. Yeah it still sucks but that is kind of the point I believe. I don't get why they feel like they have to take shots at WWE but they do.

I don't watch every BTE, more than half I'd say. I don't care about The Librarians anymore from seeing them there vs the AEW shows we've seen so far.

I was one of the few that loved the Cody hammering the throne. I thought it was more Game of Thrones than WWE, but that was just my perception. I wish that would have been "it", as far as mentioning WWE.

I thought the throne thing was the dumbest spot they've done yet. Good thing Cody and Dustin delivered after it because it came out of nowhere and took me away from the match about to happen.

Onto another criticism...

I am quite doubtful that anyone will be able to sell out NBA arena's right now, consistently with pro wrestling. I am understanding of the DC Venue, it's the first show and it should sell out but I think they will run into a lot of places they can't pull over 2,000 for a TV show. I could be wrong but I wish AEW would seek out the Walters Pyrmid's of the country before doing what WWE does and selling 3,000 tickets in a 15,000 seat venue.

I think 3-5k arenas would be a good fit for AEW right now.

Daily's Place looked great on camera with only 5k fans for Fight For The Fallen and I think doing the show in more amphitheaters is a possible idea to pursue for AEW.

Ticket prices for first TV episode revealed. Cheapest seat is $20 and most expensive is ringside $250 + commemorative chair.

I agree and its been reported that they are looking at doing 6000-12000 seat venues I believe. With the premier and other markets bring an exception.

Excellent Hire

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I think they could draw well in large arenas in the Northeast (Philly Baltimore DC Boston etc,).

I'd love them to come to my city the local arena can hold 5,000 and used to sell out for WCW Nitro and Thunder but it's small so it'd depend on the size of the tv set stage

Its also rumored to have another reason for its existence.

Been speculated ever since the gimmick debuted that the payoff is going to be Marty Scurll breaking the Librarians fingers to be his official debut in AEW and the end of that gimmick. The most annoying part of the gimmick is them using their finger to shush everyone and the thing Marty likes the most is breaking fingers of people he hates.

What city?

That would be huge tbh and if they go that way then I can suffer through it. But he's gotta break both her fingers and his!

Alot to unpack here and I'm on mobile so I'm not going to hit on everything.

I thought the last two show were really good and they did it without blowing anything to be used for All Out or TNT. They just needed to keep people talking about them heading up to their big events. It was fine. Why were either of them bad?

If they blow this then yes, it will be "only" WWE again until someone else decides to invest money into a wrestling promotion. I hope Bash is still alive.

I'll let #1-wwf-fan handle this much more eloquently than me.

Exactly. Being shit on purpose is still being shit. Fuck that shit.

I'm not watching BTE. I find their personalities largely obnoxious. I want to watch wrestling. If the wrestling doesn't explain it, and the explanation itself isn't good, then fuck it. The onus is not on fans to go out of their way to understand what is trying to be conveyed.

The throne spot was fine. Symbolism that tied in who Cody is to his AEW gimmick and what AEW is representing. Perfectly fine.

That's awful. The finger breaking spot is dumb in itself. Also, having a long set-up to an awful punchline that also has a guy breaking a woman's fingers because she's annoying is pretty trashy.

As far as venues go:

I'm fine with them going wherever they can fill up. Part of the appeal of AEW's potential is that they are a promotion with the capital behind it to fill arenas. That makes it different to TNA or ROH or New Japan. It changes the perception of the promotion instantly and almost changes the medium. And I think that is going to betray itself more and more as certain guys prove they can work larger arenas whereas some guys are small, intimate space guys.

The Librarians stuff is bad because it's an awful and childish attempt at comedy, way too similar to WWE. Feels very rinky dink too. Why are there even libarians in a wrestling promotion? Why are they enemies and not friends but still closely associated? Why have they been hired by Tony Khan and/or the EVPs? Why would this shit make television? There's so much that just doesn't make sense, and I am sick of wrestling just not making sense. It's really frustrating that this is so normalized and internalized within wrestling personalities today. That shit is seriously embarrassing and I am sick of wrestling being embarrassing, because I want it to be good and people to actually watch it.

He should have turned the other way and pulled up into a camel clutch, break his back, and make him humble!

Salisbury Maryland

Buff Bagwell turned on Scotty Riggs on a nitro and Goldberg fucked up his arm punching a limo window here on a thunder.

Nothing else really happened that I can remember

oh yeah, David Flair found Crowbar at a gas station down the road from me and they went through the Burger king drive thru

thunder:
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WHAT THE FUCK?!? Nice little appearance.

Cody vs Sammy Guevara has been announced for the TNT debut.

Cody should win handily but it’s probably gonna be an ultra competitive match. Other than the bad comedy, my biggest issue so far with AEW is the parity they’re slowly building. It feels like the idea is to make every match 5 stars which is an idea that ultimately ends with no one being special.

Sammy's facial expression looks like he is getting a blowjob


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I don't watch TNT much but are they advertising the show on their TV?

I just noticed something. Have they been mentioning the name of the show? Is “Dynamite” scrapped and they’re just going with “AEW on TNT”?

If they did scrap it, I approve. AEW ON TNT makes it sound like it's a legit sporting event. Dynamite makes it sound too much like Nitro.

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Young Bucks and Kenny Omega vs Chris Jericho and two mystery partners announced for the first TNT show as well.

WHO COULD THEY BE?

It's Sting

Would seriously love if it's 2 names not announced that are signed. Hell of a way to debut.

LAX?
Briscoes?
Enzo and Cass?
PAC and Marty?

Heatseekers.

Hall and Nash

If it ain't the Mulkey Brothers, I don't wanna know.

The Ealy Brothers

Vince and Shane McMahon

Steph's Gazongas as a tag team unto themselves.

I would still tax the fuck out of Stephanie mcmahon

Are you Mike Rotunda?

Audit dem tittays

Here's a left field one: The Impact Players.

Is that what they called them? I sometimes wonder what the underside smells like, like is it perfume and jug sweat or what?

Marko Stunt and Dustin Thomas.

Rufus and David Arquette

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I just hope they do Brian Pillman, Jr. vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger, just for the "feels." Liger can win and BJP will be fine. MJF can mock him for losing to a guy his dead-beat dad beat before MJF was even born. Cue the fucking fisticuffs and a match set up.

Honestly though, Jericho is probably going to team with MJF and Shawn Spears, because they're the heels.

MJF is neither heel or face, he's MJF.

No, he's a heel.

No he's MJF. Heel and face is no different than black and white. He's what people like you would probably call a tweener but that is stupid. He's MJF, he's his own person that can be anything at any given moment. Really if you want good pro wrestling everyone would be a tweener. It's not realistic to be a pure anything and that's not just a wrestling problem.

No, he's a heel.

Just look at what Cody has done in AEW. Match wise he's been the heel in all of the except the match against the Young Bucks. But even then the Bucks are typically faces to this crowd. All the while Cody has put off a sympathetic tone in his promos. Resulted in the best match in forever against his brother. It's a more realistic dynamic that really good about this company in my opinion. Emotion is the real kicker and you can't really get emotion with black and white characters.

MJF is MJF.

He's better than you, and you know it. He's also a heel.

MJF is an outcast

MJF is 100% a heel.

Not excited for Cody and Guevera but w/e.

I think that Jericho's partners will be Lucha Bro's but also LAX is possible and the best option would be Pac and Marty, and I think I remember Marty's ROH contract was up in September from the Observer about a year ago.

I was going to say - if this is the actual case - 'how very WWE of them."

Jericho’s mystery partners being the Lucia Brothers or anyone else that has already been on the shows would be a huge mistake. If that’s the case, just announce them. Don’t make it clear right out of the gate that your “surprises” don’t actually mean anything. Only gonna make them come off more TNA-like.

It’s gotta be someone new and preferably someone with a little bit of a name to a casual fan. No clue who they could get. Weren’t Gallows and Anderson’s contracts supposed to be up soon?

LAX maybe

Gallows and Anderson signed new deals with WWE.

LAX makes the most sense if its someone not currently in AEW. Supposedly they still have a few people signed that haven't been revealed yet for various reasons.

I still say, if they are in anything resembling shape, Storm and Credible.

Conversely, any decent level internet famous team will work. Heatseekers like I mentioned previously, the Carnies, or the Classic Connection (with Zane.)

According to Cody Rhodes, AEW's debut tv show hit sold out status although more seats likely will become available for sale after they finish production plans for the show.

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Hell yes!

I don’t think their best option for their debut on mainstream television is two old guys who very few people ever gave a shit about.

Justin Credible is a definite no from me.

MJF is one of the few heels in wrestling.

PAC and Scurll are good bets, actually. I would love for this to be where New Japan reveals they are working with AEW though. Ibushi and Suzuki please.

Pretty sure they're not even on good terms right now, due to how everything went down during AEW's formation.

And that's before you even get into NJPW's partnerships with ROH and CMLL.

Depending on how "important" they make this match, it'll be interesting to see which direction they go with the mystery. If it's 50 year old wwe/ecw/wcw mid carders than fears of them being TNA 2.0 will go into overdrive.

Well Jericho has commented “you won’t believe” who he got to team up with him which puts more pressure on them to deliver something good.

It's going to be Vince & Shane isn't it? Or Hogan and HHH? :lol:

The reaction would be priceless and also potentially dangerous in terms of potential for a riot. The result would be awful of course, because then we wouldn't be getting a potentially actual quality WWE alternative that we're all hoping it will become. Sure, the odds are obviously essentially zero that it's the case, but it would still be hilarious and brilliant (but also frustrating and disappointing) if this was all a huge swerve job by everyone involved.

I bet it is screech and Seanny One Ball

Jericho’s partners will be CM Punk and Batista.

I'd like to see Cain Velasquez as a hired gun of Jericho's. It would be nice if Rusev had his contract quietly expire and just leaked that he was having time off and showed up in the main event of the first AEW show.

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The Rock confirmed as one of Chris Jericho's partners

The locations of week 2 and 3 will be announced tomorrow

According to Nick Jackson, AEW is looking at a potential crowd size of around 12k for their debut tv episode. They already sold around 10k tickets and will have around an extra 2k seats for sale once the production holds are removed.

Also revealed they were initially estimating around 5k-6k for ticket sales for their tv debut.

AEW headed to Boston and Philly for weeks 2 & 3, a 7k and 10k seat arena.

Is "Boston" code for Lowell and they're grabbing the memorial auditorium like NJPW is?

Or somewhere else I don't know about.

Nope, its actually in Boston and at the Agganis Arena.

Open up with the Capital One Arena and go to a couple college spots for the next shows.

Sounds about right. I guess if it really grows and there's a bigger demand for tickets they might actually grab the bigger venues.

I highly doubt that they were intended to be viewed as house shows given the effort put forward. In fact, my criticism rests entirely on your wording, "Blow their load..."

I felt that there was entirely too many matches where guys were blowing their loads and too many high spot kick outs and too many matches essentially being the same style of match with very little selling.

Outside of matches involving Cody, Jericho & Moxley; everybody else seems to be striving for The Young Bucks match where there are way too many hurricanrana's and tornado DDT's and high spots that lead to meaningless 2 counts.

I watched the entirety of the shows. It is not just the Young Bucks. There were moves that were used to obliterate an opponent yet the same opponent kicks out easily. This happened way too often.

I feel AEW needs more of this variation because a lot of it just feels like more of the same.

Based on recent trademark filings, AEW might be considering another potential name for their weekly tv show. Could also just be the name for a potential future ppv event as well.

Sounds good to me either way

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Roddy Piper's daughter just signed on that Battle Royal.

The real news is that Ivelisse is ALL OUT.

I'm already hyped for that....hoping to god Brandi doesn't win via BS.

Is she fighting Monica over a boy?

She needs to give that up.

Woah, 90's pop reference from Seanny outta nowhere!

Still wondering if we get a Kong v Kong match at All Out or if they'll just build it up more.

I've asked this before, but can either of them still get it done in a 1 on 1 match? Awesome Kong I haven't even seen in a match in years, so although I used to love her I'm wondering if shes still got it.

Also, I agree with @realdavewadding, the possible Ivelisse signing is good. Shocked WWE let her go so easily.

Aja Kong can barely walk anymore. So no.

She’s literally the undertaker of women’s wrestling.