Was watching a May 1985 episode of Championship Wrestling and came across this match.

Judo Joe looks exactly like Count Dante with a mullet

"Black isn't used to holds like this"

*bops face into turnbuckle*

Joe's inner monologue must be "Just keep holding your face with one hand, Joe"

LOL that had to be the guys first time in the ring.

Was it the Canadian Stampede one? Lol, I noticed him going off on rants for literally no reason and it was one of the more difficult listens especially for a show I really want to hear.

lol He goes off on random rants in every episode it seems.

One of the early ones, Conrad was doing one of the anti drinking/texting while driving ads and made the mistake of pitching to JR who, after talking for what seemed like 5 minutes, had ended up discussing some road story that had nothing to do with the ad. Once he was done, Conrad was just like “... So yes, as I was saying, don’t text and drive.”

oh I know. But some episodes are worse than others. I think he and Conrad have this really weird chemistry because it's less goofy jokes and more straight talk. And I understand people not liking the show--but J.R. does offer very unique insights. However... episodes are only good if J.R.'s salt levels aren't oceanic.. and more akin to a finely seasoned steak. When he's in a foul mood, you may as well just turn it off right at the beginning.

I do very much understand why Ross is the way he is. Been through A LOT in his life -- and losing Jan is just all kinds of atrocious. Still, I don't need to listen to him randomly start ranting about shit only he understands without any context.

though tbh, I don't get why he's catching flack for AEW commentating. I think it's been some of his better work in years. IMO he should just stay off Twitter for his own sanity.

Those turnbuckle shots Judo Joe took were powerful af.

He's not used to holds like that

Frank did you know that Lanny Poffo could suck his own willy?

"I could never make it."

Link plz

He says it like he was pulling a wallet out of his pocket.

He reminds me of Robert Baratheon. A fine young warrior turned disgraceful old man.

With a huge cock

I like how he doesn't go into the humiliating parts of trying to suck his own cock. No legs up in the air totally spread eagle with his open asshole winking at the guy he has to perform a rear naked choke with later in the night.

"I just sucked my own cock" he says like he can sit in that very chair and barely even have to bend to get it in there. Is his dick actually just a balloon animal balloon? Is that how he manages to wear normal pants and have the ability to suck his own cock?

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exciting seeing an actual date. got that WCW Nitro debut feel to it.

Now for WWE to put NXT on Fox right up against it

anybody's contract expire in the next 2 months? could we have another Luger situation here? lol

I don't think so, but I don't really wanna see AEW hire anymore WWE guys lest they turn into TNA 2.0

use what you've already got

Yeah definitely don't want that. just wondering if they had a "oh shit, i thought he was with WWE" kind of moment up their sleeves for all the casual fans that tune in. But it would have to be a top guy. please no mid card guys like TNA.

Yeah, Tye Dillinger coming in and getting a big push right away was already pretty TNA-like. granted, his promo on Road to All Out was fantastic so I think they can pull it off here but it's not a bridge I want them to cross all the time.

In TNA, midcarders from WWE would immediately win the title. AEW is just giving Spears a prominent storyline.

We have to wait 32 days after All Out for the weekly show JUST so they can debut before Smackdown on Fox???

But the same time Cody is out saying "AEW is not going to focus on WWE"...

Still making inside jokes about Vince and WWE on youtube.

At least TNA was honest about using WWE to gain an audience.

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Cody, Jericho, Moxley, Spears, Dustin, Pac, Trent, Awesome King, Brandi, JR, Justin Roberts, Billy Gunn...

Half of their roster is already former WWEers. It's unavoidable. They just need to keep not make it about them being former WWE, which at least on PPV they have. Aside for when they haven't *cough* throne sledgehammer *cough*.

... Or October 2nd is just the date TNT gave them to start on.

No they clearly are trying to hurt WWE....by airing on a weekly date WWE isn't on...

The problem with TNA was that they were still hiring WWE midcarders and making them main eventers a decade into their existence when they had more than enough time to build up their own stars.

I don’t see a problem with a new company acquiring the best talent possible whether they’re former WWE guys or not. In 5 years, if they haven’t grown and built stars and they’re hiring WWE midcarders and giving them super pushes over their own guys, THEN there’s an issue.

Moxley was asked if he would ever go back to WWE. He said the typical line is never say never and he said who knows in 10, 15 years, anything is possible. However he did say he would rather go work for a grocery store than return to the WWE that he left.

Also smartly gives TNT about a month's worth of AEW content to help entice potential new advertisers to the network for November's sweeps.

FOX doesn't really need to do the same since WWE is already a known and established quantity in television.

New TV shows/seasons debut on networks' fall lineups in late September / early October.

So, does that mean Lex Luger is going to show up? That's just unabashed arrogance!

Kinda feel like this is a different beast, albeit knowing more shit than I should colors him a bit of a better light. I still remember an interview about him in NXT where Dusty labled him with "why is he still here?"; as in, there was nothing else to "develop" and he already had everything down so why the fuck isn't he being called up? And obviously Dusty was still alive when that was said. For him to be as talented as he supposedly is yet sit in NXT for a couple more years, and then be squandered on the main roster with a couple of obligatory 10 positions in the Royal Rumble seems like it should be considered a huge waste of money and time for all parties involved.

Seems less like TNA featuring whatever WWE future endeavor castoff of the month as the next main eventer to something more akin to Derrick Bateman becoming ECIII and being able to get a much needed makeover and a clear career path. He was given the role and push of a lifetime, but he was also able to take that ball and run with it. And of course, WWE gets him back for a big NXT re-debut and then proceeds to do nothing of note with him again.

But back on Tye/Shawn... I'm interested to see how he can spread his wings as a heel and I'm super interested in this Tully direction. "This interview needs to be over" has quickly become a new favorite phrase, and is this going to be a Lesnar/Heyman thing or is this the beginning of a yet to be established stable?

TV Guide photoshoot


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Good photo.

lol looks like a new ABC drama called "Oceanside Lane"

AEW's current plans in regards to PPVs, house shows tours, and work load for the roster.

I might have to figure a way to go to DC, thats pretty spiffy

WELFARE QUEEN!!!

Is that Nakazawa behind Kong? I only ask because here he looks like a love child of 2 Cold Scorpio. Guess "Todd is God" in Japan, too.

To be honest.

I've actually felt let down by the AEW product with the Fyter Fest and Fight for the Fallen.

If I compare it to current WWE product I'm like Oh! MY! FUCKING! GOD! this is awesome but I am a tad older and remember when certain moves, finishers were sacred.

There have been plenty of times where I feel old and am like, "These guys need to fucking sell these moves!" then kickout, match continues and something else crazy happens 30 seconds later. KICKOUT!

For example:
Hangman Adam Page over the top rope powerbombed Kip "Essentially Nobody" Sabian to the stage to a thunderous reaction. Match should have been fucking over if selling meant a damn thing but it wasn't and Adam Page immediately followed it up with a swinging TOP ROPE neck-breaker to an immediate pinfall which was kicked out of with way too much enthusiasm. Kip springboarded off the top rope with ease a minute later. The eventual finish was mediocre compared to the reaction of this series of moves.

But Damn! How much more impressive would it have been if HANGMAN Adam Page just countout Super Powerbombed his way into the Chris Jericho match?

I don't know, some of this AEW stuff just feels way too much like 2002-2004 TNA X Division opening match 6 man stuff where you have flippy dippy no sell practice but to a further extreme.

Yeah, there’s more of an early TNA vibe to AEW than a lot of people want to admit. Cody is what gives me hope. I like to think he’s got a mind for the business and with time, hopefully he can weed out the WWE-lite bullshit from the product. I feel like he might be too nice and wanna just let his friends have free reign at this point.

Yeah WAY too much goofy bullshit for my liking, but it's still better than anything WWE tbh

Oh, by a fucking mile.

I feel that some AEW flip floppers area little "backyard" so I hope they lose that and as well do away with the comedy attempts.

yeah the comedy BS (whether it be with words or in the ring) needs to go. and that's every wrestling company. I mean you can have your comedy characters and a few segments, but i feel like almost every segment is written to have some sort of humor. it's annoying. That Roman Reigns/Joe segment is an example. I don't want to see Reigns and Joe going back and forth with lame jokes on each other. everyone tries to be funny these days and it gets old

I wonder if the Stone Cold Stunner is responsible in any way for the death of the "Rude Awakening" style neckbreaker as a finish? Swinging neckbreakers are pure aesthetics but the classic always looks legit.
Somebody should have an oldschool gimmick where they do lots of mat wrestling in their matches, a little bit of brawling and only ever win with "classic" devastating wrestling moves like the superplex, neckbreaker, atomic drop(probably as a set up to a fist, knee or elbow drop) and stuff like that. It must have been done before. I don't mean Kurt Angle style, that was too high tempo. Get a guy who can slow it right down and work a leg for ten minutes.

I’ve actually thought about the idea of a company that goes TOO far treating everything like it’s legit again. Not giving so much as a hint in public. Having nothing but “old school” mat wrestling matches. Going out of their way to be in character while in public. And I don’t mean Ronda calling Becky Lynch by her real name and breaking kayfabe. I mean Becky Lynch IS her real name. And if you try to tell her it isn’t, she doesn’t know or care what the fuck you’re talking about.

It could actually be amazing. A hilarious niche for the new school fans but at the same time, everything an old school fan could ask for.

The day that guy won an MMA match with a Boston Crab proved that it wouldn't be hard to blur the lines again. That was a great moment for a wrestling fan my age.

The guy he does it to probably shouldn't have been in there. He can't even crawl away.

They were practically house shows. That was intentional. They were both free for fucks sake. What do you want them to do? Blow their load on a charity event and have nothing left for the PPV and TV debut?

Stop watching only the Young Bucks.

Seriously though, I get what you're saying and I can get behind some of it. They've had brawls n stuff too like Cody/Dustin so it's not like the Buck's style rules the roost. Got to have a little variation in the match type to reel in various types of fans and keep things fresh so it isn't a standard Raw tv match.

Big fan of the "guy with no legs" stuff and other things like that, hope they continue to do it and don't listen to the people who "hate it"

Look, they've got word of mouth and more momentum behind them than anyone has ever seen since the deaths of WCW/ECW to counter WWF/E. Just enjoy the ride for now and see how far they can take this.

If the dude can entertain, put him on camera. If we can endure year after year of Hornswoggle antics/matches this guy should be given a shot to do something people have yet to see.

Even the Bucks showed they can change up their style whenever needed in AEW. Their match against the Rhodes Bros was a lot less flippy and slower paced than people associate with their matches.

Yeah. They can do it if they want which is what's frustrating about them to alot of people.

I don't love em or hate em but if I had to use a Bucks match for a bathroom break I wouldn't think I was missing out on much I haven't seen before.

Can either Kong still go or if they have a match at All Out is it just going to be female Taker/Goldberg?

Kharma one of the things I wished worked out more than alot in recent memory. Was so pissed off when they were doing everything I ever dreamed with her only for her to have to leave suddenly.

That legless guy is pure bullshit, watching him scramble around and awkwardly bump off the rope to do the least graceful acrobatics I have ever seen is embarrassing and if I feel that way there have to be plenty of his colleagues that do too.

The morbidly obese guy and the guy that's half the size of Jungle Boy belong in the unemployed wannabe wrestler line with him. Someone will get badly hurt or will badly hurt somebody trying to work around them.

Isn't all of this pure bullshit?

It was pretty fucking funny when MJF corner stomped him and called him Lieutenant Dan but that's the most you should ever use a gimmick like that.

My opinion or the nature of pro wrestling?

#2

MJF easily most breakout star potential. Like you took the Miz and Del Rio and made it even better on the mic.

If Marko Stunt, or the legless guy or even Joey Janela were in one of those backyard videos that are often posted here, we’d all be having a laugh. If anyone called for them to be signed by a company and wrestle on a major cable network, it would clearly be meant as a joke.

Its a carnival act. There's a place for them in small doses.

Marko Stunt is amazing, love him

I hope somebody shoots on the legless guy and busts his arm.

That's what Ole Anderson would do.

If he was around in the 80's they could have stuck him on a big guy's shoulders and done Master Blaster from Mad Max 3: Beyond Thunderdome. They had Lord Humongous from Mad Max 2....

They still could but they'd probably use a real mentally disabled guy and then it would be even more tasteless but almost progressive in a way.

Zach Gowen vs Dustin Thomas in a prosthetic legs on a pole match

I'm not sure AEW will ever reach the intensity level of the greatest trampoline match ever. Don Danger could have been the greatest of all time if it werent for the meth.

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The last wrestling - to me - that was actually funny was WWF in 2000 when Foley was commish and interplaying with Edge and Christian and the likes. Rock ofc was funny too. Also, a bit past that with Austin as unhinged alliance heel was hilarious.

But that stuff wasn't people trying to come across as funny. It was true to their characters and came off as natural. Now it's just guys trying really hard with shitty attempts at lame 'zingers' that never ever land. Or it's overly elaborate, orchestrated hokey bullshit.

What bothers me with the Bucks and Omega is they think it's like high art and because their sample-sized group of weeny virgin fan pops for the lame shit, they should keep doing it. Hopefully they wake up.

JD Staxx has the most majestic choke hold in the business.

At the begining of AEW we.were hyped on a sports presentation. I think a lot of people are quickly turned off by seeing humor like WWE does and worse. The Librarians are an example of a complete fail from the begining. I don't want to hear Jr talk about anything to do with Vince, I don't want Cody to talk about Triple H. I just want a good product that has NOTHING to do with Vince or his product style.

Leave the Vince comedy to Vince.

And if they don't deliver that then I'll just watch NJPW.

I always thought Santino was funny, too. He’s the only guy post 2000-ish who actually made me laugh with WWE comedy.

Edge and Christian definitely were trying to be funny, Kurt and Stone Cold too.
The reason it was natural and in-character is that they were either ad libs or they were working within a structure rather than a whole pre-written speech from some writer.

you took what I said too literally. I mean more it flowed naturally with who they were instead of them trying to be the "funny guy" with some lame, overly orchestrated gag or zinger.

I do not believe that they will progress or grow with PWG horse shit. There is a market for their shenanigans, but it won't sustain them long term. At some point, cuts will be made, at will be with the Bucks and Omega.

Yeah that's fair, I was walking after I wrote that and thought "maybe he meant they weren't forcing it".

My apologies.

Yeah, when he put on a dress and was Santina I was all :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: classic Santino. I miss those dayz.

Because men putting on a dress is funny.

Some people just enjoy that sort of thing.
I think we used to call them idiots.

Poofters

It was poofters

Personally, I’m more of a “stealing Jerry Lawler’s Subway” Santino fan but when he interviewed Santina via satellite and she kept answering his questions long after he’d been interrupted... that was pretty great. The guy was a natural entertainer. Probably the best comedy wrestler ever.

I said this before but I think the WWE Idol segment with Santino, William Regal, Ron Simmons, Lilian Garcia, and others might be the best standalone comedy segment WWE have ever done.

I have no idea what segment you’re talking about but Santino and Regal both being hilarious human beings makes me think you’re probably right.

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Crappy quality but still funny. This also marked the official beginning of Santino's heel turn.

A beautifully baited post.

A+

I forgot to give Regal props for being one of the funniest people in wrestling.

I'm about to post a video which displays the worst kind of wrestling there is. And I will say that if AEW pushes this style, it will fail. There is an element of Lucha that has leaked it's way into our style here in the US, and even Japan. Now, I love Lucha Libre, I prefer it self contained because it is a totally different style and product than I grew up on with WWF, WCW, and ECW. Even the Lucha Libre in WCW was altered to fit into the psychology of a traditional American match.

If AEW keeps their women working like this, I can't support it. There are some good female workers out there, but not as many as a lot of the internet thinks. Tessa, Charlotte, Becky, Auska, Kairi Sane, Alexa... they can work work. They can come off as two people looking for a win. Most of the women's wrestling I see is slow motion choreography, a whole lot of effort for very little effect.

The way that people use Lucha to transition through a match is generally atrocious, as seen here.

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That's what I was saying a week or so ago. They try and do this stuff but it looks like slow motion, because they haven't developed the skill to do it effortlessly as it's meant to be done.

That's why that style works when done right. Because a lot of it is based on speed and momentum. When you're doing it at half speed it just looks stupid. See: John Cena when he started trying to do Code Red/Yoshitonic

Also, Hikaru Shida might be the only one in AEW that's on the same level as Charlotte, Asuka, Io, Ember, Bianca, and Kairi. The women I feel are on another level from everyone else in ring.

That's why I was so bummed about WWE meeting with Stardom instead of AEW. AEW needs it a lot more. And a lot of the other Joshi promotions just aren't as good. They typically have a couple good workers and everyone else are 12 year olds. Stardom meanwhile, has entire stables of badass wrestlers and working with AEW would have really helped their women's division. Which absolutely needs help right now.

Think it was Sasha Banks who explained why stuff like that tends to happen a lot in women's matches and why lucha style has become very influential in women's wrestling.

Its mostly just them over-thinking the big spots both out of fear of having the crowd quickly turn on them if they mess up and taking into account the possible skills gap between wrestlers. At least in WWE, a difference in booking mentality and match layout would also be a factor.

In regards to why that form of lucha has become very influential in women's wrestling, its pretty much because of how effective its been at generating big crowd pops and also because of the quality gap with traditional wrestling training between men and women.

Hopefully Sasha Banks goes the same route as Paige and just starts doing porn