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I guarantee they still would have brought him back, called him an unstoppable beast and he’d still be their biggest draw. And it wouldn’t be his MMA career that ultimately diminishes his aura in wrestling. It would be jobbing to glorified midcarders.

i highly doubt that. It flies in the face of everything they believe. And it definitely wouldnt have worked. Just like it isnt working for AEW with Punk. He got a 1 night bump and that was that. You're marketing believability. Being believable comes with the territory.

#1-norm-fan

08-14-2022 06:18 PM

Right. Punk gave them a bump (it was more than just one night). He was over regardless of his MMA career. Hence the bump. Which kinda proves my point. KEEPING the audience from that bump is mostly up to the booking.

The story being told within the realm of wrestling is ultimately what matters.

Damian Rey 2.0

08-14-2022 06:53 PM

The first ppv Punk headlined did 35k more buys than the year before. His first ppv match where he was the main draw over doubled the buy rate the year before. It certainly wasn’t a one night bump.

xrodmuc316

08-14-2022 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5571913)

The first ppv Punk headlined did 35k more buys than the year before. His first ppv match where he was the main draw over doubled the buy rate the year before. It certainly wasn’t a one night bump.

And then they immediately lost 60,000 of those buys on the next PPV :rofl:

Mr. Nerfect

08-15-2022 02:52 AM

Yeah, the Summer of Punk SummerSlam did worse numbers than the Nexus SummerSlam the year before. By a wider margin than Punk generated interest for MITB. He’s just not a draw.

XL	08-15-2022 12:55 PM

Or maybe that’s a reflection on WWE’s inability to pull the trigger on the obvious plot direction at the “Biggest Party of the Summer”?

Mr. Nerfect

08-15-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5571961)

Or maybe that’s a reflection on WWE’s inability to pull the trigger on the obvious plot direction at the “Biggest Party of the Summer”?

Sure, keep blaming everyone else. WWE’s booking of it wasn’t great, but there’s still no evidence that Punk has been able to sustain anything ever.

#1-norm-fan

08-15-2022 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5571970)

Sure, keep blaming everyone else. WWE’s booking of it wasn’t great…

:lol:

wwe2222

08-15-2022 03:18 PM

Punk is interesting enough where you tune in to see him the first time. After that...eh....not something I really need to tune in for over and over.

XL	08-15-2022 03:22 PM

I mean, I wasn’t really being serious…

XL	08-15-2022 03:39 PM

You know what also did a comparatively poor buy rate?

The best Royal Rumble ever (not to be confused with the Greatest Royal Rumble).

XL	08-15-2022 03:40 PM

But also, the YoY buyrates are not good reading for Punk on top.

slik	08-15-2022 08:36 PM

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#1-norm-fan

08-15-2022 08:45 PM

Kinda tempting to watch the first Vince-less WrestleMania live but I’m still sceptical…

Ol Dirty Dastard

08-15-2022 10:42 PM

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Mr. Nerfect

08-16-2022 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5571983)

I mean, I wasn’t really being serious…

I know you were dicking around, but it’s an interesting discussion point. Even the MITB increase is kind of overblown and was something I took on face value for years.

Mr. Nerfect

08-16-2022 05:57 AM

I mean, 2013 did better than 2011. That was with Mark Henry challenging John Cena for the WWE Title.

Bad News Gertner

08-16-2022 09:57 AM

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drave

08-16-2022 10:43 AM

LMAOOOOOO, he definitely didn't know he liked boobs until that moment.

Had he honked them, I'd say we found Jazzy Foot live!

XL	08-16-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5572050)

I mean, 2013 did better than 2011. That was with Mark Henry challenging John Cena for the WWE Title.

Yeah, I went looking for a WELL ACTUALLY to support Punk but just kept finding more evidence to suggest he wasn’t a draw.

Now, does that affect my enjoyment of the story? Not at all. That’s down to the way it was handled creatively.

#1-norm-fan

08-16-2022 03:56 PM

It’s also irrelevant to the subject which was whether his MMA career ruined his drawing ability in wrestling. The bump he provided initially when he returned is evidence that he was just fine. He clearly helped AEW’s business despite MMA. Whatever happened over time after that is a different story.

Mr. Nerfect

08-16-2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5572132)

Oh yeah, absolutely. I think Punk is good. He can talk and his matches can be really good. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying his work.

I’ll say this though: I don’t go back and revisit Punk. I didn’t miss him when he was gone. I’ll still sometimes go back and watch Brock vs. Bryan. I think I’m more likely to check out an old John Cena match than a CM Punk one. My heart still breaks for not having more Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels. There’s this care-factor for Punk that I’ve found just isn’t there.

Gerard

08-16-2022 05:40 PM

Xero	08-16-2022 06:46 PM

For a minute I thought that was legitimately a 25 minute entrance segment and not a compilation.

ClockShot

08-16-2022 07:00 PM

Hey Xero. Been a while.

Social call or here on business?

Gerard

08-16-2022 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 5572165)

For a minute I thought that was legitimately a 25 minute entrance segment and not a compilation.

With the nwo it wouldnt have been surprising really. :lol:

drave

08-17-2022 08:47 AM

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drave

08-17-2022 09:16 AM

Come across something kinda interesting for you historical nerds. "American Dream Tapes"

https://www.discogs.com/label/924749...an-Dream-Tapes

Supposed to be a buncha promos from wrasslers of the w-r-a-s-s-l-i-n era. Wasn't sure if anyone knew anything more about them, had heard of them, etc.

Bad News Gertner

08-17-2022 09:56 AM

I wish they had track lists

Gerard

08-17-2022 12:16 PM

Mr. Nerfect

08-17-2022 04:38 PM

It’s incredible how WCW fucked up Goldberg. It shouldn’t be possible.

Gerard

08-17-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5572302)

It’s incredible how WCW fucked up Goldberg. It shouldn’t be possible.

Well their main storyline was the NWO and once that was done their lack of creativity really showed through, arguably their lack of creativity was on show during the nwo run just adding more and more members to it. Then they recycled that to black and red and black and silver, one trick ponies.

Bad News Gertner

08-17-2022 11:17 PM

Lmao fucking yes

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Tom Guycott

08-17-2022 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard (Post 5571903)

"Bischoff take it up the ass, doo da doo da". :rofl:

"Haven't you heard?? Heh heh heh heh...."

Tom Guycott

08-17-2022 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard (Post 5572156)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 5572165)

For a minute I thought that was legitimately a 25 minute entrance segment and not a compilation.

Well, being fair, with the money they paid to use Hendrix, they milked the shit out of it every time.

Tom Guycott

08-18-2022 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerard (Post 5572275)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5572302)

It’s incredible how WCW fucked up Goldberg. It shouldn’t be possible.

US Champ Goldberg was peak Goldberg IMO.

It was still on the organic side, they weren't quite fucking with the streak numbers yet (multiple wins on every TV show from Nitro to WorldWide against guys like Blitzkreig or "Lightning Foot" Jerry Flynn to pad the resume isn't the same as just making up impossible numbers), he wasn't yet in the main event picture, so there wasn't much backstage politicking in the way of his clear upward momentum.

He was just allowed to be a "force of nature" in both gimmick and as a phenomenon of time and place. People were still allowed to buy into taking the ride.

Also, unrelated to any of the above, I would like to acknowledge the Xero sighting, even though I'm a couple days late.

Lock Jaw

08-18-2022 12:54 AM

To this day my mind still automatically inserts "N W O" into Voddo Child

Tom Guycott

08-18-2022 01:04 AM

"Fo-fo-fo-for LIFE!"

"The biggest icon in professional wrestling!"

Mr. Nerfect

08-18-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5572539)

Never fails to amaze me just how shit the unneccesary switch to Megadeth was in WCW. If something like that was his theme to begin with, sure. He had something that stood out and felt epic, and then switched him up to yet another "chugga chugga chugga" guitar song, even if it was by an actual band instead of from a Turner Media music repository (that gave us such highs as "Satan's Sister" for the Hollywood Blondes to the depths of Jericho's fake "Evenflow"). The initial WWE change just felt like copied math homework, but that was comparably better than WCW writing social studies answers in the math textbook in the first place.

US Champ Goldberg was in peak Goldberg IMO.

It was still on the organic side, they weren't quite fucking with the streak numbers yet (multiple wins on every TV show from Nitro to WorldWide against guys like Blitzkreig or "Lightning Foot" Jerry Flynn to pad the resume isn't the same as just making up impossible numbers), he wasn't yet in the main event picture, so there wasn't much backstage politicking in the way of his clear upward momentum.

He was just allowed to be a "force of nature" in both gimmick and as a phenomenon of time and place. People were still allowed to buy into taking the ride.

Also, unrelated to any of the above, I would like to acknowledge the Xero sighting, even though I'm a couple days late.

:y:

slik	08-18-2022 05:06 PM

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