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Just some weird time-related things:

* Edge is basically as old as John Laurinaitis was at Money in the Bank 2011.

* Money in the Bank 2011 is basically right in the middle of WWE post-Austin heel turn and right now.

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Originally Posted by M-A-G (Post 5558778)

I just got informed that Hulk Hogan is going to be at some convention here in town in August. My friend thinks I should attend but I have a sneaking suspicion that's just a few steps away from me ending up on the news.

Just gotta find a way to work in "Yeah, that's not gonna work for me brother." line for him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is why you don’t no-sell Vader. <a href="https://t.co/2kaIVeLb9v">pic.twitter.com/2kaIVeLb9v</a></p>— WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1539387287129280513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5558734)

When I was first getting into wrestling and was hungry for anything, I remember 1999 being really…jarring to me. For the most part, anyway. I think I knew it wasn’t good the first time watching it. But I was still like “Yeah! Wrestling! I guess…”

I’d say it doesn’t hold up well, but I’m not sure it did even past its initial VHS releases.

1999 is definitely the worst year in the Attitude Era (product wise). I'd say the awfulness runs from Survivor Series 98 to Survivor Series 99

It sounds really weird, but I associate 1999 WWF with this different aesthetic to 1998 WWF. I think of 1999 as being more drained of color and I think of lots of guys in white t-shirts hitting each other with trash can lids. It’s a way more “pale” time in my head. 1998 makes me think of deep reds and generally being more saturated with color.

I don’t know, it’s an odd thing, but I’ve felt it since I was a kid. I don’t even know if it’s accurate or it’s just how my brain processed “More Russo.”

I think there are strokes of genius in 1999. Well, I’m mainly thinking of Mankind winning the WWF Title. But generally the period does suck. It’s really them cashing in off 1997, 1998 and them having the giant stars they do.

I’m fascinated by the reason 2000 managed to be such a financially viable year for them after quite a crappy ‘99.

2000 had the true elevation of Rock and HHH as the 2 true elite main event guys second only to an absent Austin, the McMahon-Helmsley family drama, a returning "new" Taker, and the intro and upper card "elevation" of Kurt, Jericho, Benoit, and Eddie, plus throw in the Dudleys, Edge and Christian and the Hardys as the elite tag title competitors. That's just a ridiculously stacked roster even without Austin. Probably why 2000 was such a good year.

I watched most of the 1999 WWF pay per views on the network a few years ago and they were messy as fuck

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Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ (Post 5558904)

98 was still a transition year. Their young guys like Edge, Christian etc hadn't hit their stride yet. It wasn't until 2000 where they all started to shine. The in ring product improved drastically in 2000 with those guys taking huge steps, as well as the Radicals. HHH hits his peak, the tag division is as tight as ever. Jericho finds his groove Just so much. Plus Russo leaves and Kreski and crew take over.

2000 also doesn't feel as sleazy as 1999.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yet another junior heavyweight move that Mark Jindrak did flawlessly at his size. <a href="https://t.co/6KI5ysltHb">pic.twitter.com/6KI5ysltHb</a></p>— WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1539431843661074434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Throwback to when Earl Hebner lost it and beat up DX �� <a href="https://t.co/P5c6F4ac7A">pic.twitter.com/P5c6F4ac7A</a></p>— 90s WWE (@90sWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/90sWWE/status/1539696649777340418?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5558995)

If Vince had any product knowledge of WCW, he'd have put Jindrak and O'Haire into a feud with the Hardyz. The alternative kids run into the jocks who do their moves better. Fuckin writes itself.

I always wanted O'Haire to feud with Jeff once he started doing the Seanton Bomb. Combine that with Jindrak being more athletic than Matt and you've really got something.

I liked Palumbo and O'Haire more than Jindrak and O'Haire.

Love me some Chuckie P

Palumbo is a way better worker than Jindrak, but I felt O'Haire and Jindrak made more sense as two young, over-confident hotshots. Palumbo always looked 50 to me.

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5558896)

1999 is definitely the worst year in the Attitude Era (product wise). I'd say the awfulness runs from Survivor Series 98 to Survivor Series 99

That's when it started going downhill but everything post WrestleMania 15 in 1999 was absolutely horrendous imo. At least the first few months were still somewhat watchable but then it got really cringeworthy storyline wise

I think Palumbo and O'Haire had a better look as a team though. They were my two favorite Natural Born Thrillers with Mike Sanders as the mouthpiece of course. I never really cared much for Jindrak and Stasiak was awful lol

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Originally Posted by Ol Dirty Dastard (Post 5559054)

Palumbo is a way better worker than Jindrak, but I felt O'Haire and Jindrak made more sense as two young, over-confident hotshots. Palumbo always looked 50 to me.

Yeah I don't know why he always looked so much older. His face always looked aged by like ten years at least. I'm thinking back on this now that you mentioned it, he even looked like he had wrinkles when he was like 30

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5558903)

I remember thinking 2001 post-Mania X7 was really vibrant in comparison to the previous years, just lots of colour popping.

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5559064)

I remember thinking 2001 post-Mania X7 was really vibrant in comparison to the previous years, just lots of colour popping.

I can see what you mean there. Everything got a little “crisper” visually. They had moved away from some grit too. A lot of guys added more color to their gear too. Triple H used gold trimming at Mania. Kurt Angle’s singlets got shinier. Tajiri debuted and had his pants, lol. But yeah, lots of color.

Austin having coloured knee braces is the one thing I could call out off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5559067)

Austin having coloured knee braces is the one thing I could call out off the top of my head.

I actually meant to say that one too. He also had the jackets to match.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please for the love of wrestling… <br><br>If someone gives you 29 bodyslams, please just sell and register at least one of them. <br><br>- Sincerely, Ricky.</p>— Ricky Morton (@RealRickyMorton) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealRickyMorton/status/1539693670353539072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol yes Ricky Morton bringing up another ridiculous problem today...crazy amount of no selling especially on "powerful" moves like getting body slammed. It just looks really bad

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5559069)

29 slams and I'm selling just out of general principle in that my back would likely be in legit pain.

Somewhere along the line, a bunch of fake bad-asses got the idea that being tough meant you didn’t feel pain. It’s one of the more ridiculous tropes in wrestling that highlights how it’s somehow all become more insecure.

The trading of forearms spot is another one. It’s like “tell me you’re not a bad-ass without actually telling me you’re not a bad-ass.”

Smarter to do more with less too. But selling requires more talent than a lot of people want to bring to table.

Selling is 50 percent of a wrestling match...if you're not good at selling then you're probably garbage in the ring

KAYFABE

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I don’t need to believe it’s real, but there has to be some sort of integrity behind the performances. Too many wrestlers these days want to move the meter on where that is and call it “evolution” or “art.”

The more things make sense, the easier it is to get the audience emotionally engaged. Thats true of any story telling medium. In that respect, I think wrestlers have a more difficult task today than they did in the past. Wrestlers in the territory days had to convince the audience what they were seeing is real. Wrestlers of today have to make them forget its not. And the style a lot of these guys practice, really doesn't accomplish that.

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5559182)

100% agree with this. And the style everyone else practices can help you stand out by doing something different, but it can also make your attempts to be taken seriously seem even more silly than the sillier stuff.

I wish more people would try with a prominent platform. I think we’re past the stage where we need to overtly smack people over the head with the idea that we know it’s fake. True ironic post-modern zombie wrestling would be to usher in a new kayfabe with audiences going along with it.

You know a team who has gotten over organically through in-ring storyteling over the past year?

FTR.

Those two dudes are fucking amazing to watch and if there's a match (on anyone's card) that has them, I ensure I don't miss it.

They are damn good at mixing a bit of old school "make you believe its real" and new school "make you forget its fake" like Fig said.

FTR are amazing.

I also love Alpha Academy. RKBro are over as shit too, and it’s not like their work is bad.

MLW doing their "Battle Riot" show tonight a few mins from my house... should have gone... seems like a fun show. Went to the past couple. Royal Rumble thing... Enzo Amore, "mini" wrestlers, Scarlett Bordeaux, Little Guido, Gangrel

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vader powerbombed this dude’s spine crooked. <a href="https://t.co/1SZIOAzArZ">pic.twitter.com/1SZIOAzArZ</a></p>— WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1540157321292161025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5559225)

Eh. They have really never put on a great match. I went to many of their shows and they are fun. But they never got to anything close to ROH level match quality.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Latest from the wild world of the Great-O-Khan’s Instagram. <a href="https://t.co/0O8aFE2xXI">pic.twitter.com/0O8aFE2xXI</a></p>— Dan (@GolazoDan) <a href="https://twitter.com/GolazoDan/status/1540524345042341891?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Lol this Great-O-Khan seems like a crazy motherfucker. I love it.