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Mr. Nerfect 04-25-2022 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 5543232)
Particularly O’Haire. He had everything and then they landed on those devils advocate skits. They wouldn’t have even been difficult to write for either. They could have had him cause friction in a tag team by getting in the ear of one of them and tempting him to go solo. So many possibilities with a gimmick like that and a very easy way to creat feuds and further other ones.

Then they threw him with Piper and made him dress in some sort of leather gimpsuit. It’s baffling even today. They were vignettes that you can remember vividly even today.

Cornette has spoken about this in the past. He’s said that if you see the vignettes you’d think you’re looking at one of the biggest stars in the wrestling industry. But when it came to his antics outside the ring, he just couldn’t get them under control. Cornette mentioned a brother “whose name is almost Sean” who would mouth off and constantly get Sean into trouble.

Plus, if you think about it, it’s hard to think of an actually good O’Haire or Jindrak match. They had that athleticism and they make for fun gifs now, but they both were pretty much just there on their best days.

XL 04-25-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5543224)
How did WWE fuck those guys up?

Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

#1-norm-fan 04-25-2022 05:02 PM

Considering how much of the roster is just tiny “flippy shit” athletic guys, O’Haire having that athletic ability PLUS size, PLUS some personality should have been a lock for at least a good stint in the upper midcard.

drave 04-25-2022 05:08 PM

Just gonna casually ignore that thekrow stole our beloved Curtis's gimmick???


The KOTF should not stand for this treachery.......

#1-norm-fan 04-25-2022 05:11 PM

Curtis isn’t around. I’ll allow it as a loving tribute.

ron the dial 04-25-2022 05:19 PM

thekrow > Curtis

Bad News Gertner 04-25-2022 06:00 PM

Hey now

screech 04-25-2022 06:03 PM

I enjoyed that krow post but I got excited that Curtis was back

Crippla 04-25-2022 06:04 PM

thekrow! C-fed forum!

ron the dial 04-25-2022 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5543312)
Hey now

Curtis sucked

Lock Jaw 04-25-2022 06:16 PM

Curtis was the man

Mr. Nerfect 04-25-2022 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5543215)
Eric Bischoff then discussed people who compare the ratings online. In his opinion, the people that do that are just creating stats for a specific narrative. That is something he called Tony Khan out for, as Eric doesn’t see how AEW is competitive with WWE.

This is true. They will focus on archaic demos that work for them and ignore demos that don’t. They will ignore the stigma of wrestling, the global appeal of one product over another, and its content rating and how that affects ad rates. It’s Meltzer talk so he always had something for his newsletter on slow news weeks, and was largely used to trash WWE to sell those letters to disgruntled WWE fans — the ones you will find angry online looking to buy content outside WWE’s purview.

He’s carried the narrative into AEW, ignoring that their audience is largely going to age out of the “desirable” 18-49 demo by the time TV contract negotiations are through, and to focus on ways he can twist AEW into being a success when it’s just not as popular as the other product. Period.

Mr. Nerfect 04-25-2022 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 5543170)
Orange Cassidy is one of the main eventers on AEW.

He’s a true ratings mover. Who else gets spikes of a couple of thousand people? And we all know attention = approval.

Bad News Gertner 04-25-2022 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ron the dial (Post 5543321)
Curtis sucked

You son of a bitch

ron the dial 04-25-2022 08:58 PM

gertner

listen

you may be in constant contention for my favorite poster but i WILL put you on ignore and brag about it over this

ron the dial 04-25-2022 08:59 PM

I CAN JUST START FOLLOWING WCW DEEP CUTS MYSELF BUDDY

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-25-2022 09:06 PM

Lmfao I love both of you and will put you on ignore just to feel like I belong

Sepholio 04-25-2022 09:19 PM

This thread has weird energy

https://i.imgur.com/XHXdR6p.jpg

Lock Jaw 04-25-2022 09:24 PM

Who would ever put Lock Jaw on ignore? You should read every post and accept them into your heart as was intended

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-25-2022 09:25 PM

Lmfaooo

Sepholio 04-25-2022 09:27 PM

God I have to click view post a lot now.

#1-norm-fan 04-25-2022 09:33 PM

Someone tell me what Seph is saying.

Sepholio 04-25-2022 09:38 PM

Wanna click 'view post' on Fan so bad rn but I just know it's something about fed bad :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

xrodmuc316 04-25-2022 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Senpai Seph (Post 5543396)
This thread has weird energy

https://i.imgur.com/XHXdR6p.jpg

That looks ALMOST as good as Vbulletin default White :lol:

#1-norm-fan 04-25-2022 09:48 PM

Thanks.

Nice photoshop @Seph :roll:

ron the dial 04-25-2022 09:50 PM

i've said it before and i'll say it again

tpww green 4 life

ron the dial 04-25-2022 09:50 PM

I KNOW YOU SEE ME OUT HERE SEPH YOU COWARD

screech 04-25-2022 09:51 PM

Love tpww green

Mr. Nerfect 04-25-2022 09:56 PM

I’m trying TPWW Green for the first time. I’m enjoying the experience.

ron the dial 04-25-2022 10:02 PM

THE POWER OF TPWW GREEN IS UNPARALLELED

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-25-2022 10:03 PM

Green vs red like a lightsaber battle

ron the dial 04-25-2022 10:04 PM

check the spammy votes man

green gets no love

Mr. Nerfect 04-25-2022 10:04 PM

The default red and yellow made me see all the politics, brother. Now I am in calm green heaven.

Sepholio 04-25-2022 10:10 PM

One day some of you will figure out how to unlock the secret TPWW deep purple theme and your life will change forever. Love vBulletin easter eggs.

Ol Dirty Dastard 04-25-2022 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Senpai Seph (Post 5543431)
One day some of you will figure out how to unlock the secret TPWW deep purple theme...

Smoooooke on the waaaaater.

Sepholio 04-25-2022 10:23 PM

Boat on the tracccckkkkkksssss.

Evil Vito 04-26-2022 07:11 AM

I’m on TPWW Red 4 life. Have tried green and blue and it just didn’t hit the same. The classic red and yellow is the only thing that actually feels like TPWW to me, brother.

Maluco 04-26-2022 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5543251)
Cornette has spoken about this in the past. He’s said that if you see the vignettes you’d think you’re looking at one of the biggest stars in the wrestling industry. But when it came to his antics outside the ring, he just couldn’t get them under control. Cornette mentioned a brother “whose name is almost Sean” who would mouth off and constantly get Sean into trouble.

Plus, if you think about it, it’s hard to think of an actually good O’Haire or Jindrak match. They had that athleticism and they make for fun gifs now, but they both were pretty much just there on their best days.

It’s not as if guys with substance abuse issues weren’t pushed in the past in spite of that. But yeah, maybe it was just too great a burden in his case.

Like most guys in late WCW, he was just given his name and told to work. The vignettes suddenly gave a charismatic, athletic guy with a great look, direction and a catch. The vignettes were attention grabbing because he had real charisma too. There was definitely star power there.

It’s just sad that he wasn’t given the opportunity to debut the character as it was. I think it could have been so intriguing and he could have been a massive star.

Mr. Nerfect 04-26-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 5543465)
It’s not as if guys with substance abuse issues weren’t pushed in the past in spite of that. But yeah, maybe it was just too great a burden in his case.

Like most guys in late WCW, he was just given his name and told to work. The vignettes suddenly gave a charismatic, athletic guy with a great look, direction and a catch. The vignettes were attention grabbing because he had real charisma too. There was definitely star power there.

It’s just sad that he wasn’t given the opportunity to debut the character as it was. I think it could have been so intriguing and he could have been a massive star.

With O’Haire, I think it was more the violence and arrests. Or the situations that could have been arrests but someone things got smoothed over/covered up.

I get what you’re saying. I liked the vignettes too and got swept up in everyone thinking they were good too. But the guy couldn’t take it to actual live promos or his ring work. If he was destined to be such a big star, they would have found a way to make way more money off him. Heyman was behind these vignettes, yeah? This is like outside the myth that the WWE fucked everything up. Sean O’Haire was a guy with a look and a kind of presence in certain contexts that couldn’t deliver overall.

Rammsteinmad 04-26-2022 12:12 PM

O'Haire, with the right work, could have been huge. He could work in the ring and showed he had charisma, and a great look.

If I recall, the first great big moment of his gimmick was convincing Spanky to streak through the arena. Then they teamed him up with Piper which just made him seem like a bitch.

He might have benefitted more in WWE by being teamed up with Jindrak again for a while until both developed more fleshed-out personalities. Aw well...


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