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MJF with the spot on Noid impression
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Fight for the Fallen is free on B/R Live as well
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I’m intrigued by MJF’s involvement in this Spears/Cody angle. The obvious endgame seems like it would that he’s just being a suck up and eventually his relationship with Cody will deteriorate when he doesn’t get the favouritism he wants. It already feels like such a fresh, natural story though. Something with more depth than “I’m a heel therefore I’m on the heel’s side” or “I’m a heel and I’m on the face’s side therefore I’m a face now.”
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Slightly related note regarding heels and faces getting along...
Anyone remember when face Sting and heel Lex Luger were WCW tag champs and Luger would cheat to retain when Sting wasn’t looking? That was pretty great, too. |
lol when they came out, Luger would look at the fans, disgusted. When Sting turned around he'd start giving high fives and shit. So good.
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Back when we were kids and wrestling mattered, do you mean... Fagnuts?
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I mean Fagnuts obv
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Auto correct now auto correcting to "Fagnuts".
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man wish I wasn't heading off to vacation on the 13th or id go to fight for the fallen too >_<
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Also proceeds from the ticket sales are being donated. |
Fight for the Fallen is in a 5,000 seat venue and there are still over 1,000 seats left a week before the show.
Then again, look at just about any sports team that plays in Florida, all of them struggle with attendance. |
listening to Cornette's critique of Fyter Fest. All of it is on the money - other than the Omega/Bucks hate.
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I think a wrestling epicenter is more important than a “Khan epicenter”. Especially since this is the second show in 2 weeks in Florida. The Meltzer challenge charm can’t last forever. They’re under a crazy amount of pressure to keep it up once weekly TV starts.
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According to Dustin Rhodes, he wants to open an official wrestling school for AEW at some point in the future. Currently planning for it to be located in Texas and it would be similar in structure to WWE's Performance Center.
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I'm sure the fans he no-showed at Starrcast want a refund/apology.
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A quick thing that tells who they are and why the fans should care. Or maybe a quick recap of relevant material from their YouTube on the show or Being the Elite. |
Seems AEW is tweaking their pre-show format since the Buy-In for this Saturday's Fight For The Fallen will be 45 minutes long instead of 1 hour like the past two shows.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wanna know how to watch <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a>’s Fight for the Fallen? <br><br>•There are VERY few tickets remaining so get them now! Tix available at <a href="https://t.co/1pLDioch6z">https://t.co/1pLDioch6z</a> <br><br>•BUY IN on YouTube <a href="https://t.co/uqCAwVwDJ9">https://t.co/uqCAwVwDJ9</a> <br><br>•FIGHT for the FALLEN FREE on <a href="https://twitter.com/brlive?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@brlive</a> <a href="https://t.co/gdgrK6U9gT">https://t.co/gdgrK6U9gT</a> <a href="https://t.co/kF7P0rENJ0">pic.twitter.com/kF7P0rENJ0</a></p>— Leva Bates (@wrestlingleva) <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlingleva/status/1148337188263858176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Also based on recent ticket sales, they are around 475 tickets away from reaching sell out status. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW "Fight for the Fallen"- About 91% of tickets have been sold in a setup of 5,180. About 475 tickets remain for sale- blue (does not include re-sales- red). <a href="https://t.co/DlsD4Sm7pp">pic.twitter.com/DlsD4Sm7pp</a></p>— Lavie Margolin (@Laviemarg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Laviemarg/status/1148236204762181638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
If this show was in Miami or Tallahassee or somewhere else in the state it would have sold out by now. Jacksonville is like an hour away from Daytona so they are running 2 shows in basically the same exact market back to back. Plus it's summer, Florida is one of those places where people don't really do indoors activities as much during the summer months; they are at the beaches or the theme parks or outdoor events in general if that makes sense.
I don't mind though if they run a bunch of shows from Jacksonville. I'll be going to a lot of them if that's the case. |
Is it time for All Out yet?
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I know a lot of people on here weren't fans of Kylie Rae/thought she was way too over the top with her gimmick but it seems something's definitely up with her.
She got a lot of build on BTE, had a featured match on DoN, was announced to face Leva Bates on the Fyter Fest pre-show. But she got replaced with Allie with no warning and Kylie's been completely off of social media for over a month when she's normally quite active. Hope she's alright. |
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I think Daniel Bryan is going to 205 live
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That will completely change the landscape of AEW.
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I hope a Kylie Rae is alright, but she was pretty shit. Her gimmick should be heel.
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I’m really losing my hope-boner for AEW. I’m really worried that they’re going to shit the bed and that will be it for wrestling. We need something else, sure, but that doesn’t mean we need anything else. I’m worried it’s going to be Anything Else Wrestling.
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They've put together a string of really good shows and are building to long term payoffs in August and have booked their best guys strong and logically. I'm not sure how one could be down on such a new product when said product has been objectively good so far.
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We'll see when they have to do 2 hours of TV a week.
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Maybe I just hate wrestling now. I still see stuff I fucking love though. It’s always surrounded by stuff that completely disengages me though. MLW is my favourite product too-to-bottom right now, but it doesn’t get me week-to-week. |
I think you're just jaded. I don't follow any wrestling and I love what I've seen so far. There are several stories going on, and some multilayered, like a Page/MJF feud, MJF and Cody, MJF/Spears and Spears/Cody, Brandi and her relationship with Kong, Moxley/Omega, and the Bucks and Lucha Bros.
God knows what they're gonna do when they're trying week to week, but so far they've built up 4 matches in 3 shows. I think given how limited they've been without tv they're doing just fine. Certainly interested in how All Out plays and how that leads into tv. |
Eh wrestling is largely something i dont recognize and what i see isnt good. I get noid. When its done right though there's nothing better.
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We all have opinions. There are things I don't care for so far. But overall I've been impressed with the storytelling and presentation for the main roster guys. Maybe I'm an optimist.
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Morbidly ironic that someone with a super bubbly sweet gimmick has mental health issues.
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Must be torturous to be bubbly when you feel that bad on the inside. Hope she can bounce back from this. She's really talented.
Also, fuck that promoter making her feel worse by announcing it like that. "everybody else is making their dates" Fuck you. |
Yeah that promoter sounds like an entitled dickhead.
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I popped for the surprise appearance at the end. Spears comes out of this looking like a star. I feel like he needs to go over at All Out or else he'll look like a schmuck who couldn't back up attacking his boss. |
I absolutely loved Double or Nothing, really enjoyed Fyter Fest, and I'll openly admit that Fight for the Fallen was by far my least favorite of the three shows they ran. I had fun watching it and all but two big events in two weeks is/was overkill. Kenny/CIMA was the only match from there I'd ever feel the desire to watch again.
Still, I'm intrigued by All Out, and I'd encourage anybody "losing hope" in the company already to at least wait until they get to TV.. I've enjoyed the YouTube builds they've done but I want to see how they are at putting a show together on a weekly basis. |
I agree with you Vito Bro. While it was almost "overkill" with two big events, the bigger cause of issue to me was just Fyter Fest as the 2nd show. A Fighting Game convention. Would be different if it was a year down the line. But following up on of the great all time PPV's with Omega and The Bucks dressed as Street Fighter characters was weak when they could have went strong.
Still I really enjoyed Fyter Fest and I also really liked Fight for the Fallen, the more you see from them (or anyone) the more content you get to choose if you like or don't like so that's just going to happen as time goes on. |
Tony Schavonie is working for AEW guys. He was on the PPV and now he's on BTE.
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Looking back now, one thing AEW should have done was somehow involve Page in the DON main event. Page is coming off a little weak compared to Jericho. Why is Page the chosen one? Would've made sense if they had the title eliminator with Pac but instead he had to win the Outlaw Mud-Show Battle Royal.
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Okay Page channeling Magnum TA on BTE promo. Very good.
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LOL when you rewatch the Cody/Spears chair shot you can see Cody's natural reflex of wanting to put up his hands and then his producers brain edit the impulse and be like "NOPE!".
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"Don't call someone a good hand JR." - Spears. This promo is fucking excellent.
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Shawn fucking Spears. What a moment! Feels like NWA up in herrrrrrrrrr!
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Yeah they really bungled things up with PAC. There's no excuse for them to not know that he wasn't going to eat a pin while still Dragongate champion. To just scrap the match instead of trying to find a creative way around it was shit.
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I feel like AEW wanted to establish the time limit draws right away (hence them doing one on their second show) and would have done that in Page/PAC but PAC had just worked draws against Ospreay and ZSJ and the crowd booed the shit out of it each time, so they didn't want to risk that type of reaction.
Thing is though, it was transparent that those time limit draws were the result of neither PAC nor Ospreay/ZSJ being allowed to lose per their home promotion. A Page/PAC draw could've been worked into the story. Maybe a ladder match in Jacksonville for the All Out contract. Page could've won that, PAC doesn't eat a pin, and they build to the match they wanted without having to welch on the literal first match they announced as a company. |
Yeah that make a lot of sense and would've worked great.
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So Luchasaurus has won Cornette over.
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Spears coming off like a million bucks in that promo. A seemingly passing compliment turned into a story. Good stuff. And it felt like a conversation instead of interview. It didn't feel forced or over produced.
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Just got back from vacay...must watch FFTF
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Their early TVs are going to be pretty tournament-heavy it sounds like. The tag tournament is definitely happening but I also suspect there will be a women's tournament as well.
That'll allow them to spotlight a large chunk of their roster in a structured way for the first few shows, which is a smart move. How things go from there though is anybody's guess. |
I love tournaments, single elimination is great for championship crowning but I really hope AEW will do their own round robin like Champion Carnival and G1.
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Lol also, you can tell JR is getting pissed about people shitting on his commentary from listening to this weeks Grillin With JR. He was especially ornery to the point where I shut off the podcast.
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Really hope Alex Marvez is gone from commentary for the weekly shows.
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Said it before, but I kind of want their weekly show to feature no wrestling on it, and be less than an hour.
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They definitely need to bring all the YouTube content to the weekly show. Those video packages do a better job of building up matches than any in-ring confrontations could. Not showcasing them on the TV show would be a huge mistake.
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Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't watch any of the YouTube stuff because it is "too much work" for an old person like me.... but if it was all just collected and put on TV, and that was their weekly show.... I'd watch that....
Have it like the old whatever show it was where the commentators were in a "newsroom" talking about things and cuing up clips Then with no wrestling on a weekly basis, I'm much less likely to get tired of it and of the roster..... |
So you want a wrestling company to produce a show with no wrestling? That sounds like something WWE is about to with Fox and FS1. I love AEW and BTE YouTube channels but if you're going to TV they need to find a mix between the two, not just focus on one.
You could easily subscribe to those YouTube channels for free and they'd let you know when they post something. What the fuck are you talking about work? |
How hard can it be to write a balanced 2 hour show that features matches and packages/interviews/segments that build characters and further storylines?
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Yeah that’s a big thing. We don’t need to go back to Attitude Era-esque two minute matches, but there needs to be a happy medium between that and what WWE are doing now. WWE still haven’t worked out why PPVs don’t feel special when they’re putting their top talent in 20 minute matches for free every week.
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And a roster of 100+. The 3 hours excuse would carry more weight if they had a small roster at their disposal to fill the time with. More time should equate to more guys up and down the card getting exposure.
The show would still be too long. It’s just no excuse to have to feature the top 5 main event guys against each other every week before doing it on PPV twice a month, too. |
I am definitely an advocate for shorter TV matches, saving the money load for PPVs and huge events. Gerty is right that WWE can’t do that the same way. This is why AEW, ideally, came around at a perfect time.
One thing I really hope they avoid is booking for the “IWC” though. What does that even mean? There are people in that group that think Matt Hardy spitting magic is awesome but Brock Lesnar is a shit worker. There people who love Joey Ryan but feel that Roman Reigns is hack. You’ve got to be real careful playing to their opinions like they are anything other than divisive and sometimes even just wrong. |
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Yeah, Luchasaurus actually stood out to me in the battle royal as more than the clown show going on around him. I didn’t put him on n the same boat as the rest.
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My take on the guy was that he can be a huge draw with the kids.
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I'm kind of baffled as to why WWE didn't try this in 1993 to hop on the Jurassic Park gravy train. Maybe they did and decided they couldn't afford to get sued over it...
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Well, remember when WCW tried to jump on the Mortal Kombat train? It isn’t a guaranteed success.
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That's completely besides the point...
If you're talking about failed gimmicks WWE has the market sewn up on that. I'm talking about the early-mid 90's at possibly the most densely saturated point of gimmickry in WWE history they didn't say fuck it and throw a Luchasaurus in there. He probably would have looked like Barney though. Actually I'm surprised they didn't get Barney involved. |
Jurassic Park came out in ‘93. Duke Droese was signed the following year. Could have easily made him Duke “The Dino”. Instead Vince was years behind the times even then and went with “The Dumpster” to take advantage of the garbage man craze started 4 years earlier by the Sheen/Estevez classic “Men at Work”.
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Remember when Glacier became Coach Buzz Stern
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I was barely watching WCW at that point but yes.
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