What exactly does Tiger Woods have to do with any of this?

In 2010, the first year an EC themed PPV was done, Germany retained the No Way Out nomenclature.

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Me either. And just recently I found out that the Big Show's classic "Big" theme was sung by Michael P.S. Hayes. I was kind of surprised, but only because I wasn't aware he was a singer who had done some stuff quite a while before that.

That's right, it was just a random match they used at other PPVs before that wasn't it?

Looked it up just now. Apparently it was the law in Germany regarding Nazi imagery that caused them to make the change. Guess it was too close for comfort after all and they didn't want to risk it.

There are quite a few laws that make most mentions of this time period illegal. Possessing items from that time frame is illegal as well.


You, of course, still have the supporters in very weak numbers, but it isn't something that is publicly discussed. Lived there for a few years.

But Meltzer doesn't care. He has his cult following that will always disagree with anything that WWE produces. Like look at his match rating system, there have been some fantastic matches over the past 4-5 years and Meltzer goes "Nah 2 stars" and his fanboys completely agree with him and argue to the death with people about it.

It's towards the end. Fucking hilarious.

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I was hoping Gertner would have found something about this because I’ve looked. All I know is it’s definitely not Dana Carvey, which is the big urban legend surrounding it.

Bingo. It’s all marketing. “WWE = bad” sells his newsletters to the people who aren’t happy with WWE. The people who are content with it, or aren’t such hardcore obsessives about it are less likely to engage with a newsletter anyway.

I think Dave has gone too far in that direction, especially when contrasted against praise for AEW (which isn’t as critically well-received as he’ll make out), because I genuinely think it’s locked him out of having sources in the WWE at all. And the AEW guys are so close to him they treat him like a super-fan. He never breaks anything anymore. He’s just got these sycophantic opinions and a bit of a readership who, for some reason, takes them seriously, even though they are demonstrably baseless.

Dude, I've actually spoken to Lanny Poffo(he wrestled on the card)about this lol. Nobody knows.

I used to subscribe to The Observer, for maybe 5 or 6 years, maybe more I don't know. It was really interesting to me for a time but at some point it was obvious that Dave wasn't the "foremost" insider any more and "just an analyst" with a lot of friends in wrestling.

Obviously Meltzer slants towards his audience because in all likelihood it's a dwindling subscription, his board reflects his subscribers and it's quite inactive these days compared to normal. Still much more active than this board but dead for how busy it normally was.

I still have a board account there for some reason even though I haven't paid for years.

I don't even care to read Meltzer's star ratings, it's bullshit anyway. The anime main event NJPW style kinda changed the game and made it impossible to go faster and harder and longer.

I don't know why you guys are always talking about Meltzer like what he says matters. He's just an old wrestling fan who lives on the austisim spectrum and has bad pimples and is like 60.

Breaking news: "journalists" of an unscrupulous carny business are themselves unscrupulous carnies out to make a buck.

Oh my!

I mean, yeah.

Reading Noid’s post I couldn’t help think “isn’t this just like all corporate news outlets/YouTube channels? Slanted one way or the other, without expressly stating ‘we are pro-this, or anti-that’, putting out content with a quantity over quality mentality, to a niche audience that just gets pumped for more views/buys?”. The difference between Dave and most tabloid journalists is negligible at this point.

very, very, very, very, very accurate


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I don’t think anyone is saying that it’s shocking. But you can still discern with a critical eye something from sources. One of the first things we got taught in school was that everything had a bias. You’ve got to look for what that bias is, then work out whether the things being said are based on evidence.

That doesn’t mean things need to be so blatant. It doesn’t make lying great. And other people doing it doesn’t make it okay.

Classic WBF moment


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RAW will be bumped to SyFy for Feb 7 and 14 and instead The Olympics will air on USA Network

Feb 7 - Figure Skating
Feb 14 - Skiing

They're bumping it for not even good sports? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Yep.Survivor Series '02, SummerSlam '03, New Year's Revolution '05 & '06, and No Way Out '08 & '09. I'm guessing since the last 2 I listed took place at a PPV in February, Vince decided giving it its own themed PPV in that month would be "best for business". And yes, I willfully ignored December to Dismember '06 because fuck that match.

I dunno wtf you are talking about DAMN. I don't know about skiing but Olympic figure skating is a pretty damn big ratings draw. Bet it draws more than every wrestling show for the week from every company combined.

Figure skating has to be the #1 watched winter Olympic event

LOL that damn Shawn pinning Bret for a 3 count at Wrestlemania 16, what a jerk!

Exactly. If it's not it's very close. I could see the finals in hockey being a big draw. Curling (the greatest sport on Earth) is probably right up there too.

Now you've got me on another hunt. Damn you. Tito Santana just responded that he has no recollection. Dan Spivey is the one I need to seek out

Lmao the WWE just filed to trademark the name of a Nazi Commander : Gunther Stark

How long before fans give him the salute?

Probably Meltzers fault

Von Wagner sounds off

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Hey man. Nathan Chen and Mikaela Shiffrin are a big deal.

But, nothing compares to Bobsled and Curling.

Don West's brain cancer came back

I heard it was Bruce Prichard trying to frame him.

Damn sad to hear that about Don. Hope they can put it in remission again.

I feel like only someone from the office would have information on what happened. And it was pre-Prichard. So… I’m worried we’re pretty much out of luck.

David Bixenspan has been looking into this for years and if he can't figure it out I probably won't. Finkel would have been perfect if he were alive.

I found an archived Craphole post that claims it was a rib which honestly makes the most sense.

You can tell security catches on cause they sure rush him out of there