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Mr. Nerfect 11-18-2021 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5495037)
Huh. Dynamite is the only show whose total viewers are up from the beginning of the year.

Lol, you mean from when they retained their night unopposed? How are they doing week-to-week? Hmm, not so good.

#1-norm-fan 11-18-2021 05:09 PM

Actually I meant from the beginning of that chart. So from October of last year I guess.

Nice!

Mr. Nerfect 11-18-2021 07:58 PM

The apologetics for this flailing company are hilarious.

#1-norm-fan 11-18-2021 08:14 PM

I'm sorry my stating facts makes the veins if your head explode.

Mr. Nerfect 11-19-2021 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan (Post 5495132)
I'm sorry my stating facts makes the veins if your head explode.

You stopped stating facts a long time ago. Your posts are now limited to “Well actually” contrarianisms to provoke people into arguments they weren’t having, and sad bullshit apologetics for AEW. You’ve slipped.

#1-norm-fan 11-19-2021 02:02 AM

I literally quoted the chart and stated a fact that is easily verifiable by looking at said chart...

#1-norm-fan 11-19-2021 02:23 AM

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Noid soon

GD 11-19-2021 05:45 AM

His feelings don't care about your facts fan.

Evil Vito 11-19-2021 03:03 PM

The Invasion angle ended 20 years ago yesterday.

Bad News Gertner 11-19-2021 04:19 PM

Lmao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lord Steven Regal has no time for your grandma. <a href="https://t.co/Xh21aVRvhE">pic.twitter.com/Xh21aVRvhE</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1461748458872786953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Savio 11-19-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5494513)
Plus, I’m pretty sure if you checked out the social media stats, way more people engaged with Raw than Dynamite. I can’t be sure, because I haven’t checked those stats, but that used to be the case.


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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5390167)
7 pages for a PPV. Weak as shit.


drave 11-20-2021 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The God of TPWW (Post 5495375)
Lmao
Lord Steven Regal has no time for your grandma. pic.twitter.com/Xh21aVRvhE
— WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) November 19, 2021
<script async="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




I need a collection of his. He was truly great in every tiny action he took.

slik 11-20-2021 09:47 AM

I'm not surprised. About 38k sold for each night so far. Ticket prices 'too expensive' in my opinion. I looked the other day out of curiosity and the section I sat in at WM32 for $220 is now $355 (for one night).


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some disappointment in WWE concerning WrestleMania 38 ticket sales:<a href="https://t.co/QnG2mgYm5B">https://t.co/QnG2mgYm5B</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1461879236629831680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

drave 11-20-2021 09:49 AM

bro even their regular shows have been expensive for the past few years (before and after COVID).


I remember asking my son 2 years ago what he wanted more:

Meet and greet with Tech N9ne and fam




Just entry into RAW - without buying any merch


Two lower-level seats after taxes and charges were about $225. We paid $125/piece for meet and greet passes plus a SHIT TON of merch AND a live concert.

drave 11-20-2021 10:00 AM

Here's Macho Man getting kicked in the face :D


https://i.redd.it/urrzon1dvq081.gif

drave 11-20-2021 10:03 AM

Also, Paul Heyman will never NOT be amazing on the fucking mic. Good god.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1461894707764776960

slik 11-20-2021 10:32 AM

Heyman deserves to headline a HOF class

Gerard 11-20-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5495545)
Also, Paul Heyman will never NOT be amazing on the fucking mic. Good god.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1461894707764776960

Again with the wwe trademark each and every one of you spiel. :roll:

owenbrown 11-20-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5494392)
Has to be one of the laziest taglines for a WM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WrestleMania?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WrestleMania</a> 38 – the most stupendous two-night <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleMania?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleMania</a> in history! <a href="https://t.co/lwJ2mDTnwk">pic.twitter.com/lwJ2mDTnwk</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1460446590469091329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Iron Sheik should be there just like Bobby Heenan said when Sheik was walking to the ring for the Gimmick Battle Royal at WM 17

drave 11-20-2021 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard (Post 5495584)
Again with the wwe trademark each and every one of you spiel. :roll:




cadenced or not, they were great lines, and only paul heyman could get away with it

owenbrown 11-20-2021 03:07 PM

side note: Stories with Brisco and Bradshaw is so good.

Gerard 11-20-2021 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5495540)
I'm not surprised. About 38k sold for each night so far. Ticket prices 'too expensive' in my opinion. I looked the other day out of curiosity and the section I sat in at WM32 for $220 is now $355 (for one night).


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some disappointment in WWE concerning WrestleMania 38 ticket sales:<a href="https://t.co/QnG2mgYm5B">https://t.co/QnG2mgYm5B</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1461879236629831680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Still sticking with the 2 night gimmick, wonder if this is permanent or not..

fundiddle 11-20-2021 10:18 PM

didn't we already have Wrestlemania ?


should be Wrestlemania II

XL 11-21-2021 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5495545)
Also, Paul Heyman will never NOT be amazing on the fucking mic. Good god.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1461894707764776960

#CancelPaulHeyman

Rammsteinmad 11-21-2021 11:32 AM

Low ticket sales is good. Maybe WWE will reconsider the two-night thing and go back to one.

Evil Vito 11-21-2021 12:01 PM

Two night Mania is way easier to digest than a single night 7 hour Mania.

Ideally one single 4 hour show should be enough but WWE is never gonna go back to that.

Mr. Nerfect 11-21-2021 12:11 PM

Aren’t they at like 38k for each show? 76k for a show that hasn’t had anything announced yet might seem slow to people expecting them to immediately sell out, but it’s far from the grimmest things I’ve ever heard.

I also think the two night formula needs to be tested in front of people. I just expect them to do mixed roster shows that play like the last two Manias but with a crowd, but there are potential things you can do with that format. You can do a Raw night and a SmackDown night. You can thematically build throughout the two shows. You can even have one show play off another. There’s no real reason you can’t have someone wrestle on both shows (other than the politics of them getting two spots).

I don’t expect the WWE to get creative with things, but the potential for creativity is there. Especially down the line.

Mr. Nerfect 11-21-2021 12:55 PM

Always have this inkling in the back of my mind that if Vince gets really desperate, he might try and ink something with Steve Austin.

The money would have always been there for Austin, but the giant TV rights money only kicked in at the end of 2019. Then we hit the pandemic which we’re only just coming out of. I think they were announced in 2018. Then we got the Becky push and Austin actually took a bump for her on some show.

Austin is 57. Sure, that’s “old.” But if he has the itch at all, or sees the opportunity to make a giant star out of himself again — “Look Hollywood, this old cowboy’s got this much left” — the window is…more urgent than it’s possibly been for a guy who has always had “maybe” in the back of his mind. And who knows? Maybe his grandkids really want to see him wrestle or something?

If they got him back for a couple of matches/maybe a special run, this would probably happen at Saudi Arabia, but the actual possibility of Austin vs. Goldberg? That would supersede anything else possible right now — including the contemporary story for Roman and Brock. There’s your night two main event.

I’m not “predicting it,” per se. I’m just saying that it’s not the most insane thing in the world given that the company’s got all these billion dollar deals now, and they realistically could use something huge, and that’s the biggest thing that’s remotely possible to them (The Rock’s not wrestling). Just because it hasn’t happened bye doesn’t mean factors there can’t change. Shawn Michaels sat out for 8 years.

Gerard 11-21-2021 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5495733)
Always have this inkling in the back of my mind that if Vince gets really desperate, he might try and ink something with Steve Austin.

If he did he'd be wrestling with a t shirt on, he doesn't seem to be in the gym like his wwe days. Expected considering he's retired and given his age.

https://i.imgur.com/KIFMqr0.jpg

Bad News Gertner 11-21-2021 07:36 PM

Austin was so raided up by 2000/2001

fundiddle 11-21-2021 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5495733)
Always have this inkling in the back of my mind that if Vince gets really desperate, he might try and ink something with Steve Austin.

The money would have always been there for Austin, but the giant TV rights money only kicked in at the end of 2019. Then we hit the pandemic which we’re only just coming out of. I think they were announced in 2018. Then we got the Becky push and Austin actually took a bump for her on some show.

Austin is 57. Sure, that’s “old.” But if he has the itch at all, or sees the opportunity to make a giant star out of himself again — “Look Hollywood, this old cowboy’s got this much left” — the window is…more urgent than it’s possibly been for a guy who has always had “maybe” in the back of his mind. And who knows? Maybe his grandkids really want to see him wrestle or something?

If they got him back for a couple of matches/maybe a special run, this would probably happen at Saudi Arabia, but the actual possibility of Austin vs. Goldberg? That would supersede anything else possible right now — including the contemporary story for Roman and Brock. There’s your night two main event.

I’m not “predicting it,” per se. I’m just saying that it’s not the most insane thing in the world given that the company’s got all these billion dollar deals now, and they realistically could use something huge, and that’s the biggest thing that’s remotely possible to them (The Rock’s not wrestling). Just because it hasn’t happened bye doesn’t mean factors there can’t change. Shawn Michaels sat out for 8 years.

the only insane thing about this is that you fantasized about it, and some of us read it

The Fraze 11-22-2021 03:12 AM

https://media4.giphy.com/media/LbcYCssFTT2Te/giphy.gif

screech 11-22-2021 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5495724)
Two night Mania is way easier to digest than a single night 7 hour Mania.

Ideally one single 4 hour show should be enough but WWE is never gonna go back to that.

Yeah the days of WrestleMania being the best of the best instead of "let's get everyone on the card" are long gone, I think.

Since that seems to be the case, I'll take two four hour shows over one seven to eight hour show every time.

Gerard 11-22-2021 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Vito (Post 5495724)
Two night Mania is way easier to digest than a single night 7 hour Mania.

Ideally one single 4 hour show should be enough but WWE is never gonna go back to that.

Aye, 2 nights of shit is easier to take in than a single large dose.

drave 11-22-2021 09:56 AM

Ugh..... already don't even care about Mania :(


Reasonable predictions:


The main event matches will feature some heel champion v some megastar from the past. the other title will be a heel rumble winner v the face champ. Either way, it will be one "regularly featured" superstar against some people brought it just for Mania, thus making me not care about any build to it. I've been "WWE'd".


The Rumble is always fun though. Right now, I'm looking forward to the Rumble match itself.

#1-norm-fan 11-22-2021 11:34 AM

I still try to watch the Rumble every year because even bad Rumbles are kinda fun. But with two WrestleMania title matches they have a tendency now to have the challenger of the less important title win for “shock value” which has taken away from the stakes of the match.

Evil Vito 11-22-2021 11:39 AM

If I could watch only one WWE match a year, it would be the Rumble.

That said, last year was the least interested I've ever felt in a Rumble match...although knowing it was in an empty stadium was a big reason why. You need that genuine crowd reaction for the surprise entrants.

Mr. Nerfect 11-22-2021 11:39 AM

Reasonable Mania predictions:

* Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar
* Big E vs. Edge
* Randy Orton vs. Matt Riddle
* Becky Lynch vs. Bianca Belair
* Seth Rollins vs. Montez Ford
* Drew McIntyre vs. someone
* An AJ Styles match, possibly against Finn Balor
* Something involving Bad Bunny and/or Logan Paul
* A Bobby Lashley match

It’s really not that grim. SmackDown actually looks a little bleaker, but you put together things like an opponent for Drew, maybe do an Xavier/Kofi feud (I’m split on this), Nakamura vs. Zayn for the IC Title, a good Cesaro match and a strong babyface team to challenge The Usos and you’re kind of laughing.

drave 11-22-2021 11:40 AM

Indeed. On top of Mania being an entire fucking weekend worth of time, its just too much.


Wresetlemania 2042: A 5 day stupendous stampede of steroids and superstars!!!!

drave 11-22-2021 11:41 AM

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* Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar
* Big E vs. Edge
* Randy Orton vs. Matt Riddle
* Becky Lynch vs. Bianca Belair
* Seth Rollins vs. Montez Ford
* Drew McIntyre vs. someone
* An AJ Styles match, possibly against Finn Balor
* Something involving Bad Bunny and/or Logan Paul
* A Bobby Lashley match

This honestly sounds like it could be ANY ppv throughout the year. This is a big part of the problem with a homogenized product.


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