Fucking ridiculous system, a veteran overseeing discipline in the locker room. When has anyone ever heard of that in wrestling? :shifty:

l'm gonna go with this:

After running off Cody and Punk, there is a certain group going after their next target: Bryan Danielson.

The next question is, if they're successful, who is next: Copeland, Christian, or Jericho?

There’s a difference between there being a vet telling the kids to pull their heads in and a wrestler being delegated the role to hand out fines because the boss is gutless.

I think The Elite are going to be on their best behavior so Dave doesn’t have to report that they’re the problem. This might be why they’re taking some time off.

The next guy to cop heat is going to be the one who tries to help the younger guys. It’s a culture against learning. You’re supposed to just “know” how to get over yourself. If you need help, it’s not really you (in their minds).

Danielson will get more than stooge heat if he starts tapping people on the shoulder and makes attending seminars mandatory.

It is funny to think the guy who has broken his arm and face this year, who was already forced to retire once, is the guy who also apparently is supposed to reel talents in from overdoing it :rofl:

Meanwhile Tony is gorilla every week acting like Joaquin Phoenix from Gladiator.

Why is Bryan wrestling? Doesn’t he have a match with Okada scheduled for the Tokyo Dome?

I mean sure, thats basically what the IWC is now just make shit up and then quote it back as gospel later. I half expect you will be cited as sources somewhere within the next 48 hours.

I mean it's pretty obvious the Bucks are a couple of peckerwood jackoffs.

So we'll know who they mean when the "many people are saying" lines drop

Surprisingly Edge vs Christian didn't draw.

Solid $5 million of Shad's money well spent :rofl:

Wow. So apparently Stephen P. New is/was the lawyer for CM Punk and Ace Steel at some point during all that drama. He’s a Jim Cornette sponsor. He also represented the independent talent that got “Yeet” jammed up recently. Surreal.

Lol, so putting Bryan Danielson in the role of lockerroom cop has predictably backfired. Samoa Joe made a tweet about snitching and Saraya tweeted that she doesn’t give a fuck and no one is going to tell her what to do with her social media. :lol:

It's all a work.

:shifty:

:lol: Man. This company.

MJF needs to get out. Joe would be a nice edition if he can stay healthy.

Everyone with potential wants out at this point.

I REALLY hope MJF’s contract being up is a shoot and he jumps to WWE. Tony has had belts on guys leaving before.

At some point, it’d be interesting if a bunch of people left, banded together and did their own thing. Tony pays them enough that there’s actually a pretty solid base there.

It’ll be interesting to see who AEW actually manages to get signed out of the recently released WWE talent and who chooses to go elsewhere to keep themselves available.

Crazy scenario: WBD props up Dynamite and Rampage because they have enough tangled up in AEW. Collision is offered to FOX for dirt cheap with the goal being to use network television to widen their scope.

Maybe The Rock could finance it?

Apparently they almost signed Trent Seven, which would have been an absolute GAME CHANGER!

It is just too bad they lost out to TNA for his services. Guess wrestlers are starting to recognize that Shad's money isn't enough to put up with Tiny :rofl:

Yeah, wrestlers have to have the score figured out by now.

Meltzer seems to be under the impression that CM Punk has had an effect on how the Raw TV rights negotiations are going. The implication seems to be that WBD is looking more likely.

Wow. The whole CM Punk thing exposed Meltzer. Be interesting in WBD get Raw and what happens to AEW.

What’s the WBD fascination with Punk? Sound like fucking marks to me!!!

They probably want their wrestling to make as much money as possible.

David Zaslav has probably had conversations with all these people and knows Punk is the one who knew his shit there.

I am not even going to lie, if CM Punk plays a part in Raw going to TNT or TBS and replacing AEW, that would be the biggest fuck you to a former company in the history of Wrestling.

Hogan could have testified at the steroid trial that Vince McMahon personally held him down and shot him up with Steroids, and sent Vince to jail for a few years, and Phil getting WBD to bail on AEW for WWE would STILL be the top spot.

Tiny Khan might actually put a hit on Phil.

Well a hit wouldn't be hard would it. Just get that one UFC dude who made Phyllis look like the IRL bitch he is.


How long till someone says mean words and makes him run home crying again? I say sometime after he wins the rumble, but before Mania.

I just wonder what happens when he wins the Rumble, picks Rollins, then they decide to open Night 1 with that match and book a women's match as the main event. Phil will be unpleased :rofl:

I dunno, seems like the problems that exist in AEW aren’t going to be a factor in modern WWE. Punk put up with so much trying to prop up AEW. He’s really not the bad guy in that story.

I am curious to see how vicious WWE gets during this rights fees negotiations. Didn’t they just settle with MLW? I’m not sure if they get as ruthless as I imagine is possible and essentially lock AEW out of finding any sort of sizeable deal by tying up ALL the major suitors with some sort of content.

AEW also serve a purpose as useful idiots. Do you want them totally gone? It may be the smarter business strategy to let them remain somewhat of a present so they can continue to serve as a cautionary tale about what exists “over there.”

It's not going to happen. He knows the ultimate "Fuck you" is to help WWE out in whatever way possible. He knows that by getting AEW out of business he would win.

Imagine a world where AEW goes out of business, the Bucks get sent down to NXT as a way to sharpen their skills to the WWE mold, but CM Punk is running things down there. The Bucks would be jobbing left and right but guess what, either do your jobs or here is your walking papers.

Phyllis's ego is not a uniquely AEW issue. If he's smart, he'll put it all in a book after he's done.

His ego will not allow him to do that, though.

Like Triple H and Shawn Michaels, Punk’s ego has switched into being invested in the product he’s a part of. Putting on a kick-ass show is where these guys get off now. That was the issue in AEW. Punk still has friends there and I doubt he really wants to work with the saboteurs again.

The two wrestling books the world will gobble up: Vince McMahon and CM Punk.

Mere days after Mark Briscoe got upset about FOX using "Dem Boyz" in a wrestling tweet, AEW does this:https://i.imgur.com/xyjiAIs.jpg
Fucking amateur hour over there fellas.

That is rough, is that Twitter run by Matt Buck's wife?

That’s just…wow.

Tough fucking week for Mark Briscoe. Maybe he can use it as leverage to gtfo?

Great video I just saw on Twitter of Tony Khan introducing Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Breaking news from CM Punk's reporter!

"The vibe we have been given is that AEW is in danger of not being renewed by WBD for TNT or TBS"

- Nick Hausman

Man. If this actually happens what a fall.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re dropped even if WBD doesn’t get Raw. They’ve done some disgusting shit lately and seem like an unprofessional outfit in general

lol Sasha Banks/Mercedes Mone no longer expected to go to AEW.

Wonder if it's because she's going back to WWE or if it's just because AEW no longer feels comfortable with the big spending when these rumors of them potentially losing their TV deal are flaring up.

So Kenny’s come down with diverticulitis. I don’t wish ill on anyone, but something about it struck me as karmic. It didn’t feel like a proportionate response from the universe re: the Punk stuff. His career being where it is and theirs being where theirs are does that. Then someone reminded me that Brock’s F5 is called “Diverticulitis” in AEW Fight Forever.

I think it was probably a deal CM Punk had a hand in putting together. They’ve had friendly tweet exchanges in the past. She probably felt safer going to a company where a prominent figure said he wanted to rape her, who is now married to a bullying judoka with Punk there.

Plus, the company has just gotten a worse and worse image since they showed her in the crowd at Wembley.

Tony Khan said that to be AEW is to be attacked at the Final Battle press conference. He said you can do 5 great shows in a row and people will say something negative. When has AEW done 5 great shows, let alone 5 in a row? He says he shuts all the “negativity” out now. He’s advocating for living in complete denial. He’s making everything sound like it’s good. That’s a delusional perspective to take.

Oh, he also said they were #1 on cable Wednesday. That’s only in a certain demo that cable isn’t particularly apt at reaching, for ORIGINAL programming. He HAS to know that, right?

To be fair, it should be his job to say positive things about the company so he is in the right to say they put on great shows, and brag about whatever #1 stat they can get.

There's just gotta be the line between "public face staying positive to the public, while realizing things are not going well backstage" and "public face staying positive to the public, while also fooling himself that all is well"

People will defend what Tony says and does as “promoting.” A good promoter increases business for what they are promoting though. When the “spin” comes across as transparent lies pushing reality back, it leaves a sour impression.

And you’re right that this public face can’t actually be an attempt to fool themselves.

Sorry, didn’t mean that to sound like I’m arguing with you, Lock Jaw. I agree with your point. Tony just isn’t very good at it lol.

To be fair, again, to a lot of people out there it doesn't come across as "transparent lies" because they just don't know better or care to know better.

Not everyone can be as "educated" as The Noid.

He'd garner a lot more support if he was upfront. Say the product sucks and here's what we're going to do better. Dana White does it all the time- if the show was shit he says it (and looks visibility pissed) apologises to everyone and then transitions into what they're going to do/how they're going to make it up to the fans. All I hear in press conferences and see on Twitter from Tony is that the shows are "great" when they aren't. He comes across as ingenuous.

He is an idiot. AEW gets attacked no matter what!!!!!

Maybe if his company directive from day 1 wasnt to attack WWE, people wouldnt come at him.

I don’t think those people are paying attention to his press conferences or ROH in general. Everyone knows AEW has got its shit going on. Lying to people isn’t going to help. It fuels the “negativity” (honesty). Promoting isn’t telling people “This ice-cream will give you an orgasm and make you rich.” You need to be aware of what you are actually delivering to people.

I don’t expect him to say “AEW sucks.” But stop trying to lie your way out of the shit.

Making yourself “the other” is always risky when the original actually gains approval. When your counterculture you become reliant on culture. He should have just focused on his own shop.

It’s also a millionaire throwing a pity party for themselves. And he basically told people he’s not going to listen to the fans unless they blow his product.

He’s becoming Vince at a rapid rate.

Disco Inferno posted something along the lines of “Like the shows need a reset.” Tony responded with something along the lines of “That you’re an irrelevant parasite unites the wrestling community.”

Guy’s losing it before our eyes.

in fairness, Disco is a parasite.

Dale being an irrelevant parasite is the one thing that unites the TPWW community.

I dunno. I enjoy Disco Inferno’s theme song more than I have anything AEW has ever produced.

Disco was more over as a lower midcard with a goofy gimmick than all of the "Workrate" Gods of today.

Imagining Noid boogying to Disco's theme.....

That's a lie. Julia Hart's ascension from being a blonde associated with a tag team to being the real leader of The House of Black, her theme song, and her overall appearance is way better than anything Disco has ever done.

He really wasn't. Fuck off with this lol.

I mean I got a kick out of him but he was nothing. A never was. I couldn't give a shit about the likes of Omega and the Bucks or whatever, but Disco's input means nothing. He's a jackass with worthless, Bischoff-Russo-level takes.

He was a decent TV Champion.

Disco Inferno was absolutely a lower card jobber, but he is clearly relevant if idiot Tiny Khan cares that much about his comment.

Relevance and worth aren't the same. Disco's relevant because he's on a podcast that panders to the lowest common denominator. So he generates buzz (unfortunately). It doesn't mean his opinion is any less worthless.

Disco reminds me of Destor if Destor didn't ever read.

Here is the funny part: your second paragraph is absolutely the truth. But it doesn't invalidate my point. That is more of an indictment of the workrate clowns.

Disco was a featured part of wrestling back when way more people cared about wrestling, and having a spot in general meant more. I think of him like an X-Pac (not in terms of ring skills, but just for…being there).

If Disco Inferno was signing autographs in the 90s as opposed to The Bucks signing autographs now…I think Disco might have the longer line.

Yeah he may have been a low midcarder match wise, but I have a lot of memories of Disco. He was on like every episode of WCW TV it seemed. Featured in several big storylines. He was basically the WCW equivalent of R-Truth in WWE. Or a lower tier Miz maybe considering he was the cocky asshole kinda guy they used to put people over on their way up. Also got over a little as a face and could instantly turn heel and get the crowd to boo him. Everyone was still discoing when his music hit though lol.

lol X Pac was way more meaningful than Disco. Their names shouldn't be uttered in the same sentence.

Disco also killed nWo 2002, huge impact on the industry.

Way more is a bit of a stretch.

Dude--Disco never did fuckall. X-Pac had a hell of a career.

First, go back to before he was in the WWF when he was lighting the indies on fire with Jerry Lynn as Lightning Kid.

Then there's how he came in the fed. The angle with Razor was compelling television. During that run, he had one of the best Raw main events in history with Bret Hart.

Fast forward to him being Sixx. Not the biggest run in history, but his shift the WCW was another huge blow to the WWF.

Then, when he came back to the WWF as X Pac, it was a HUGE moment. I remember him coming out and cutting his cut the mustard promo on Hogan. It was huge.

He then proceeded to be one of the most featured guys on TV until around 2000. He was super over and even had a prominent odd couple tag team with Kane. After that, yes, he fell off. X Pac heat and all that. He didn't evolve and got way too into the meth, and that was it.

Disco did nothing. He danced and wasn't featured. Nothing he ever did made an impact.

Remember when he was part of the Wolfpac?

I’m not talking Sean Waltman’s entire career or legacy as a junior heavyweight. I’m talking about his run as X-Pac. The move back to the WWF was cool and the promo was a “moment,” and yeah the dude had potential, but it’s hard to put him at the top of the most significant players list.

Disco seemed to be featured basically every time I ever watched WCW. He was all over their television. He’s not *as good* as Waltman. But he was in the nWo and all that. TV Champ, Cruiserweight Champ, his feud with Konnan.

It’s not a sleight against X-Pac.

The comparison to R-Truth is apt too.

The Dancing Idiot ls with Alex Wright and later, Tokyo Magnum.

On a slightly less happy note, Mrs. Buck the Merchandise Lady has left AEW. And ol Marty the Nonce is trademarks given all his nicknames, leading people to think he might be the Devil.

I am more along the lines that the "KTB Wrestling" trademark is for a new company, and the Dumb Fucks are about to leave another promotion high and dry.

Lots of people leaving the company. Someone who handles live events is also gone.

What’s this about the trademarks? Lol if The Bucks leave AEW. I can’t remember if I said it here or elsewhere, but I always had the feeling they would take the big money then cut and run.

LOL man... still blown away that Tony picked these lads over Punk. Twitter going to be hilarious if the Bucks leave.

Remember when Dave responded to Punk’s initial Collision promo like Punk scaring away The Bucks and Omega would be the worst thing that could happen to AEW’s business? And when he stated that the reason people don’t like The Bucks is because they haven’t had a WWE run?

They are the shits and very clearly only care about themselves.

No one should take anything Disco Inferno says seriously.

It appears Stephen P. New vs Jericho is gonna be the new fun war over Christmas.

:gasp: ... leave their promotion? Leave their revolution?? They would never do that, because it's theirs, though, right???

Besides, they wouldn't leave without Kenny Omega. That's the reason why they didn't go to WWE when that Bullet Club iron was hot. That's the reason why they didn't go to WWE when their AEW contracts were up. Where they go one, they go all... wait, that's... uh... nevermind.

Saw this! 😄 Jericho going to cost AEW some money I suspect.

They've been exposed. I don't remember the last time they've had a positive impact on ratings.

The only time I can think of that I was remotely interested in seeing them was just after FTR vs The Briscoes only because I wanted to see them get their asses beat by FTR.

Lol at Stephen P. New getting Jericho to take the bait and stooge off AEW. Cornette roasting Jericho was great too. What a fall from grace for Y2J. And AEW in general.

Heard a clip earlier of Dave being the propaganda device for The Bucks. They aren’t happy with AEW. Apparently Dana Buck is leaving AEW because the promotion didn’t stand up for The Bucks enough while they were being “vilified.” :lol:

Haha :lol:

It’s still a case of the backstage drama being waaaaay more interesting than the actual TV show.

So true... if only they could figure out a way to use this backstage drama to make their TV more interesting.

I would laugh my ass off if Stephen P New sues Jericho, that would be pure comedy!

Dave also said that Punk “went after” Dana Massie and the company did nothing to stand up for her. I didn’t remember that. Turns out it was because Punk mocked a ROH Death Before Dishonor t-shirt design. The issue? It got the day AND location wrong for the event.

Reports also state that Dana Massie was getting 7 figures for her job.

Poor Bucks.

I wouldn't care if an employer kicked me in the shins once a day everyday for a 7 figure salary. If she gave that up because she didn't like Tweets, she is out of her mind.

If she earned 7 figures for almost 5 years, combined with what Matt is making, she can sit back and watch her stories all day forever without running out of money. The job was out of her depth and now they get to use Dave to spread the word about how horrible AEW is to throw a Superpity Party for themselves.