YES! That shit destroyed me. Completely destroyed me

chiming in a bit late but Shane vs Angle in 01 is one of my favorite matches ever. It was so good.

its among the most memorable moments in the last 20 years or so of wrestling

and ignoring the high spots the match is really good on its own merits. it gets to those high spots really organically through a well structured and well executed match

It’s even more impressive when you remember it was Angle’s 3rd match of the night and he broke his tailbone halfway through the match.

I can still hear the thud of Shane’s head and shoulders hitting the concrete when the glass didn’t break on the suplex spots.

It wasnt just because she did porn, it is because she did a porn where she had a threesome with "Vince and Steph" characters. That distinction certainly is an understandable reason to have reservations.

Every good Shane match that's been mentioned here is with guys who could carry broom sticks to good matches. Fair credit to Shane that he cooperated well enough to get those good matches, but just sayin'.

i cant remember an all time classic where a guys was carried to it

good matches sure but some of shanes best are pretty unforgettable decades later

I also remember Shane having entertaining matches with Test, Steve Blackman, Big Show, and of course Vince himself so I dunno.

Those matches were all heavily booked to make Shane look good while also getting his ass kicked. I liked that era of Shane. I do not like the current era where Shane is booked to be the equal of his competitors in both talent and conditioning. That’s ridiculous.

one thing there seems to be consensus on is the last few years have been absurd to the point of offensive

I was looking up shane matches on Cagematch.net https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=548&page=4&s=0

and remembered the awful Shane/Braun feud

Remember Shane was supposed to defeat Taker at Mania? And go toe-to-toe with Brock when he was white hot?

I think you’re trying to be reasonable, but I’ve seen AJ and Kevin Owens have worse matches against each other than they had with Shane. Shane must be better than a broomstick and some guys must be much worse.

As a chickenshit heel or a babyface that won’t die, Shane works fine. I don’t buy MMA hero Shane at all. His Hell in a Cell against Taker should have been structured a lot differently, and definitely should have been a lot shorter.

Also if I never have to see Shane throw his little combo punches that miss by three feet I’m good.

I was hoping to see X-Pac in the Rumble. Would have been a nice little call back if he’d go into it with Shane, and eliminated him.

Every great wrestler in history had the occasional bad match, or even had bad chemistry with particular workers. That doesn't diminish their broomstick carrying capability in my opinion.

I'll throw out an olive branch.

I'll concede that he was enough of a natural at the fundamentals that he was able to consistently have enjoyable matches. But unforgettable classics? That's fucking pushing it.

And regardless, he sucks now, get him off my tv.

that last point we agree

You know what's not future endeavored? Tonight's Classic Wrestling! See you all at 8:30pm!

While we’re here do you guys want to talk about Shane’s time as color guy on Sunday Night Heat

Or his commentary in the Attitude video game

They sounded remarkably similar

He was great on Sunday Night Heat. Loved Shane during that time period.

RAW Underground was all Shane.


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Honestly that style could have been cool. It's just that the workers had no idea what they were doing. It's really hard to pull off a shoot style pro wrestling match. Plenty of times in Japan it's done and been done and it's terrible. Think about when Hager faced Wardlow in that "MMA fight".

Tried to watch the Von Wagner vs. Riddick Moss one there and the 1.5 camera cuts per second thing and each camera angle being like 20 feet away made it unbearable to watch...

honestly like a 5 year old dumb kid is controlling the camera shots

the camera cuts are to hide how mickey mouse it all is. that's the problem with worked mma, youve gotta hide way too much.

Shane had an idea that I agree with, let wwe.com be less kayfabey. A few interviews with batista and booker were posted after their fight, same with Blue Meanie/JBL. Made we want to check out WWE.com

Yeah this is the culprit behind a lot of WWE's flaws. This production style is so fake. It's almost to the level of America or Britan's got Talent, the manipulative editing and camera work, so false. The thing about the classic wrestling I love is that the camera is simply "AT THE EVENT". The camera just sits there and captures this live event that would be happening the same way if there was no camera at all.

When you go to a live show today, depending on what side you side you are quickly aware that you are not being performed to. The wrestlers are performing to the hard cam, every interview, angle, anything important at all will be directed to one side of the ring. How lame is that?

AEW guys aren't under the same death notice to always hit hard cam but obviously that's how most interview segments are done, for the hard cam.
WWE's editing keeps their show unbearable, even if there great workers and there are, and good matches which there are.... the editing is so fucking bad.

Cesaro gone from WWE per Fightful and PWInsider

I love watching Cesaro work. He'll be an asset wherever he winds up.

Plot twist: His contract expired, so he does not have a 90 day waiting period.

wherever he goes i just hope i can call him Claudio Castagnoli again

the most money making man

Fucking please go to njpw

Inject Cesare vs ishii straight into my fucking veins