Good for AEW. I'm curious to see how their TV attendance goes. They're milking a very dedicated and very mobilized fan base at the moment.

It's super hot because there's not alot of it and the average wrestling fan in their 30s has been craving something other than the spread-too-thin wwe product, or not readily available ROH for a while.

Based on some Steiner Math to account for shenanigans involving ticket sales, Observer reported that AEW was on pace to sell 130,000 tickets for All Out had all the purchases and demand been genuine.

Thats some janky janky math

This. :y:

Haha, oh Dave.

Picture a scene. We're in a well-lit, spacious office. In walks Cody Rhodes, he looks over to his answering machine as he enteres changing direction when he sees the blinking red light. He pushes the button.

'You have... seventy-three... new messages'

 Cody presses the delete all button and leaves the room to go play Nintendo.

One of those was from CM Punk.

Oh no!

Who?

People's problems w/ WWE aren't that it is spread too thin, their problems are that it's bad tv and specifically a bad wrestling product overall. Less of WWE doesn't indicate that would change. ROH hasn't been in the big picture for most wrestling fans for a long-time, even when Cody and company were there.

People have been craving a good product, period, available on a national/global level.

I hope AEW can fill that void and thus far, their first show was good.

Before he does, Brandi is off camera yelling "That's why you can't 'guarantee', babe!"

Cody stops long enough to wordlessly gives the universal look/head nod of "yeah yeah you were right..." and then continues with his Nintendo.

Nigel's reign was the last time ROH felt like ROH. The last time it felt special. It slowly became just another indy fed after that.

One of the big reasons it is bad is because its spread too thin. Think about if nxt had a ppv every 4 weeks and had 5 hours of TV to fill every week.

Apples and Orange m8

NXT and the actual WWE main-roster product are very different from one another. If anything a good comparison for AEW would be hoping to combine the long-form storytelling of New Japan w/ the in-ring action of New Japan/NXT Takeover.

I think AEW will really be it's own thing, I don't think it will go the TNA route of mentioning WWE much as it gets up and running and finds itself. I think they'll focus on finding their own Flair/Luger/Sting/etc over time.

That said, I do agree with you 100% on WWE over-saturating their own market.

It’s a combination thing that compounds the issue. Having less time doesn’t automatically make you good, but being spread out that far makes it virtually impossible to do so. If NXT was taking up 5 hours every week and then doing a 5-hour PPV every three weeks, we wouldn’t be talking about it in such a comparably favorable light.

This is true. NXT also gets a boost from being other. With AEW around now and the promises NXT makes being hollow, it will be interesting to monitor how perception changes.

Does anybody else think it's kind of funny Mox is working CJ Parker and Big Cass with Enzo out of the gate. These are guys who would have been far beneath him in WWE. That whole he would have left even if there was no AEW is B.S. Nobody is turning down multiple millions for Juice Robinson and Cazz matches.

Not sure about Cazz but they should be turning down money to wrestle Juice.

Yeah, Juice fucking rules.

And I say that as someone who absolutely despised C.J. Parker.

I liked his heel gimmick that Daniel Bryan took for his own.

He’s said that if AEW wasn’t an option, he still would’ve left WWE because he was miserable there and he was in a position where he’d saved up enough money to not have to continue wrestling.

guess mox respected cas to have his 1st indy match with him they might have got along in wwe.

His first indy match was with Darby Allin this past Friday

Juice has earned his stripes.

Tony Khan confirms they will hold a tag tournament once they're on TNT, presumably to crown the inaugural tag champs.

4 titles, all they need. (World,(Middle),Tag,Women's)

Well it might be 4 titles but I'm not entirely sure they'll have a midcard singles one for a while. Khan said he wanted to eventually introduce women's tag belts, and given how many women they've signed along with their pipeline into the joshi world, I think they could actually have a killer division that would get attention.

So maybe it'll be a men's title, a women's title, and tag titles for each. And that's it. People not in title programs will feud over other stuff.

you are legitimately the fucking worst.

I would prefer no middle division title to be honest.

There's not a middle division title in Basketball, Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc.

there's no titles in any of those

LeBron thinks he just won the NBA tag team titles though.

Titles/Championships whatever

There are conference/league champs in those sports.....

Thats not exactly a 1:1

Would probably work better with individual awards like MVP and such. In that case they do have midcard type awards like the 6th Man of the Year.

In the sense that slik is talking about it..... a top accomplishment.... but then there are other accomplishments too...

Winning the NBA title is more on par with main eventing wrestle mania

I feel like mid-card titles are sort of 'the past'

Everyone should be gunning for top dog spot and maybe gets sidetracked w/ other feuds set up via circumstance/interaction...Just seems like it would be copying what is done before to follow the standard world champ, mid card champ formula...wanting something fresh/different....idk

Really h8 that NXT added N American Title...their roster isn't big enough to support that IMO

Everyone should want to be NXT champ

#BringBackBloodFEUDS

fuck it. not fresh enough. No belts at all. guys fight for food instead #thinkforward #rightsideofhistory

Probably need to double the amount of women they have now in order to have a healthy women's title division, women's tag division, and women non-title feuds.

5 belts should be the limit since a split of 3 for Men and 2 for Women is enough for the roster size they want and have the belts remain very meaningful to win and hold.

There doesn't need to be a mid-card title in AEW.

Didn't learn much from the Kahn interview with Austin. Tag tournament once TV starts.

In the "its news to me" folder

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2019/06...ender-wrestler

WWE sends them championship belts though. Kinda sorta the same then.

Link doesn't work. First ever transgender wrestler signed to AEW in Feb. :y:

I sort of wish AEW was funded by anybody but somebody with the name Khan. I hate when people misspell it because Star Trek.

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2019/06...rce=reddit.com

hope that works

the article had one of her early indie matches

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not gonna lie, she looks more like a woman now then she did in that match.

I didnt have a lot of an opinion on her match at DoN since her and Kong were out of the ring more than in it.

Good for her. :y: Way better for the inclusion cause than Sonny Kiss.

I still don't really believe that. Not at face value. It's not spread too thin just because they have a lot of TV time to fill. They have too much TV time to fill, and they choose to fill it with nonsense segments and "the same people". Even going back to the HHH Reign of Terror... that wouldn't even have been a thing if the man wasn't constantly eating up about 50 minutes of a 2 hour show on average. That's too much, even if he was the World Champ. Hell, especially being World Champ.

They have this idea that if so-and-so is over and he or she doesn't appear at a show/on TV, the "fans feel cheated" or will somehow "forget about them", so they overexpose the hell out of who is over and/or currently a champion and speed up running them into the ground. You have 100 talents on your roster, and you choose to repeatedly focus on the same 20 every week, and maybe throw in another random 10 from the leftover 80, when that time could be better served showing more of the ones who aren't getting showcased at all. They have 5 hours, and what isn't chock full of commercials are filled with the same old shit or something they've unintentionally established means nothing.

Personal feelings aside and simply asking this objectively: why should I care in any way about Mojo Rawley? Everytime that Elias seems to be on the cusp of getting an actual push, he lands in another dead-end and then goes back to his "i'mm a sing a song insulting this city and get interrupted" thing that he's been doing for... how many years now? I should care more about Kingston vs Ziggler, since I have long maintained they are (or at least were years ago) the Steamboat/Flair to one another in the matches they used to have. But both guys have been so misused over such a long period of time that this isn't the "must see" match it could have and should have been... and in fact, this was an afterthought because they wanted to cynically push Ali in a clear bid for a bigger reaction for yet another Middle East show like they were doing with Jinder for India or ADR for Mexico.

If NXT had 5 hours to fill a week and a PPV every 4 weeks, they would be having matches between people you don't normally see. Your champions and their PPV opponents wouldn't be talking a bunch to open every show and then touching in the main event every week.


I didn't like it at first either, but none of the champions are overexposed, so it doesn't matter that they've added some "midcard" stakes. There's other shit going on. Yeah, Adam Cole is NXT Champion. Guess what? He won't be in a match every week. He won't even be on TV every week.

The mistake the main roster would make is to have all the champs featured every week without allowing room for anyone else to grow. See my previous comments on the previous quote.

Make this legit AND count as a legit coupon for free meals for the holder. And they're all shoots.

:y: Not everything has to be about belts or trophies or verbal titles. Sometimes, you just need good ol' fashioned hatred.

When you've got 5 hours of television a week and want to put emphasis on a few different things, like a pro-wrestling company should, you almost have to feature the same people. This really is a logistical problem. There is no way for talent not to be overexposed in this environment. And yeah, they are overexposed, even if they aren't on TV every week. Finn Balor isn't more over because he's not being used -- he looks less important and he's still boring and the idea of him wrestling anyone feels played out, even if the match hasn't actually happened. It's as much the idea of content running as it is what the actual content is too.

A 5-hour product is just fatiguing. In terms of commitment. But also you can't spin that many plates -- they all end up crashing down. And you also can't spin only a few, because then it gets so fucking boring so fucking quick.

According to the Observer, the current holdup with AEW making an official announcement regarding the debut of their weekly tv show is stuff on TNT's side related to international markets. TNT is still working on stuff for those markets and until they are done, AEW has to remain on standby.

Wednesday is the current front runner for the day of the week for the show.

If that title ever becomes real in the next 5 years, sign me up. After 40 I don't plan on chasing a belt with such prestige

So true. :y::y:

Because they already ran him into the ground and established him as an also-ran. Goes back to the difference between main roster and NXT.

He's less important because they've established that he's less important. In NXT, his matches were a big deal, and demon appearances were "HOLY SHIT!" On main roster, he's been distilled down to "jobber unless wearing paint" Not saying keeping everyone off TV will solve all their problems. What I'm saying is they could use that time to make Finn Balor important again instead of consentrating on Brock Lesnar, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, and the second coming of the HHH Reign of Terror in Shane "Best In The Wooooooorld" McMahon all the time.

They have such a breadth of talent, but so few of them feel in any way important. They may even start out with so much hype and spotlight, and that fades so quickly due to indifference (any tag team callup), mishandling (Asuka going from a handicap match multi-woman murder machine to barely getting a win against Emma), overexposure (I like Rousey, and I get getting your money's worth, but she wasn't a neccessary evil weekly).

And one thing they could do - they could really do - to fill up all that time? Have more matches. Yeah, not everything has to be backstage skits or multiple promos be they live or canned. Have more televised lower stakes matches and save some of those main events. 3 Hours of RAW (which, let's be honest, isn't 3 hours without all the commercial padding). There could be more matches with more guys who aren't doing shit but standing around in catering every week. Start planting seeds for them to become future stars later, and not hotshot them to the top of the card randomly one day because their ethnicity plays into travel plans. Your main event could be a tag team title match. You don't have to trot out the WHC and midcard champ. Now, granted, Brock Lesnar is at the polar end of that spectrum, but I don't really want to count him because there are other things at play with him in particular.

Like, remember when we all shit on Jinder going from jobber to "main event threat" in like 3 weeks? Now, imagine if they took the time and care to build him up from then to now with baby steps and feuds and storylines and reasons to care about seeing him succeed or fail. With better writing and progression, he wouldn't be pinning R-Truth on a plane runway for a comedy angle championship; people could be looking at him like they're looking at Drew McIntyre (mostly... this whole lackey shit is diminishing him at the moment, but you get my point) and he would be a "somebody" up near the higher end of the card- maybe even a WHC contender depending on how things turned out. But that's too much like work, so when the rocket up his ass failed spectacularly, that must have been because he didn't have "it" or somesuch, and now he's back to comedy angles and rare appearances.

Dammit. I had a point to sum this up with, and I got sidetracked by something else and forgot what I was going to write.:|

I think there's truth in the statement that WWE and NXT are different animals, but I think NXT can afford to be a different animal. Balor got to be presented as special in NXT (to be honest, this is about the period I got bored with NXT and stopped watching the weeklies), but that's because he didn't need to be on each week wrestling. When he's part of a main roster presentation, sure, they could take more care with how they thread him through things, but they've also got 5 hours to fill and if he's not wrestling on a show (to keep that special) then you've got to fill that time with something else. This means that you've got the spotlight on something other than him, which means he's no longer going to be special. But if you put the spotlight on him all the time, then you're going to get sick of him anyway.

Now, that's not to say there aren't problems with how the present people on the main roster. There absolutely are. And these things might even change if Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn are ousted. But you're still going to have this persisting problem of guys being on TV too much, because there's just simply too much TV.

And Triple H is going to get so fatigued if he gets the book and he tries to put such intricate care into 5 hours of television. He might divvy it up, but it's still a lot of commitment from viewers, who are supposed to care about all of it. When you realize that you don't need to watch all of it because it doesn't matter, that becomes the habit. This is why AEW is so smart coming along now. There is money in TV and WWE needs that money. They are going to be stretched out and exposing themselves for 3-5 years (or however long those deals are). They're going to be running too much content for a long time. Plus they're pricey. Those two things together are going to be where AEW can really hit them.

Apparently Kenny Omega likes to discuss AEW business related stuff while playing Apex Legends. Also hinted he has used video games to help recruit potential talent for the company.

Drebin will be at All Out

Nice!

I will have an EXCLUSIVE report that I will publish on the TPWW front page complete with nude photos of that MONSTER Kenton Lane.

I'm going to just do the know if we are flying in or driving. Haven't been to a wrestling show since TNA ran some shows in a minor league ball park in Lexington so I'm pretty pumped.

Just remember everyone, these photos were taken when it was very cold outside.

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well that answers how they don't acknowledge his title lol.

BTE is fun and all, but the "road to" series has really gotten excellent.

Very interested in seeing Darby Allin wrestle, good promo

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Prediction directly from my ass: Janela wins with an unexpected assist from Killer Kross.

AEW have applied for the name Wednesday Night Dynamite

They’d be crazy to have Moxley job right out of the gate to Joey Janela. I did have the thought the other day that Darby Allin upsetting Cody is a real possibility though. I hope it doesn’t happen... but something tells me it might.

lol for real?

thats a joke yeah?

1st ep is expected to air Wed, Oct 2nd on TNT

its not a joke...is it...? :(

I guess it's probably "wednesday night DYNAMITE" cuz they're on TNT.

I don't hate the name as much as you do Dessy, but I'm definitely not in love with it.

My issue is its too much of a play on Nitro. Set your own path. Hacky.

I don't disagree by any means. Also, the name doesn't really roll off the tongue.

Name doesn't bother me at all tbh

Universal Championship

More thrown off with the night than the nane. Wish it was a Thursday night show. Could've called it Thursday Night Tannerite to really play off TNT.

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The non sanctioned match is such an easy concept to make a regular hardcore or no dq match seem way more special.

This is probably now the match I am most looking forward to.

I kind of want the AEW weekly show to be like 30 minutes tops and feature no wrestling on it

Bout to leave for Fyter Fest wooooooooooooo

Have an awesome time!

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Jesus I'm like 8000th in line rn

Stay hydrated.

Have a good time broski!

Sick. Curious how many tickets get sold.

According to CEO's Alex Jebailey, they expect somewhere around 9k to 10k tickets sold and could go as high as around 12k.

Last year's show with NJPW did around 4k while the pre-sale for this year's show with AEW sold 1k more than what NJPW did.

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Penta, Fenix, Laredo Kid vs Kenny and the Bucks rematch booked for Triplemania, presumably for the AAA team to immediately get their win back in Mexico for the second show in a row.

Ech... I dont care for that booking. Also I'm just a little "over" the Lucha Bro's. They work so many main events that i think I've seen their act so many times this year alone. WM weekend I saw them in like 4 matches.

Anyone know about ROH contracts with Scurll and Flip? They need to be in AEW and fill out The Elite.

lol the only match I saw them in was at Wrestling Revolver's Pancakes and Piledrivers at WrestleCon, they turned up in a gauntlet and wrestled for all of 2 minutes before being eliminated in bullshit fashion, probably because they had to run to another booking

Scurll's deal is up in the fall. I believe Flip is signed on for longer which is why he's joined Villain Enterprises and will probably turn on Scurll in a few months.

Really want to see Marty catch SCU's rollercoaster on the BTE intro.

I'll get to see the Lucha Bros I'm August at the Lucha expo in San Diego. Taking the girlfriend's kids. Pretty excited.