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Ermaximus 10-19-2010 02:03 PM

Good thing I played the Titans DST last night. :shifty:

RoXer 10-19-2010 02:16 PM

If SammyG knows so much about football maybe he should help Fallen Angel understand it

IC Champion 10-19-2010 02:21 PM

SammyG probably couldn't tell you what a cover 2 is.

SammyG 10-19-2010 02:23 PM

It is the defense I go in on Madden and get fucking burned all the time somehow cuz the Rams defense is terrible on that game. Bigger Cover 3 fan on that game.

But a cover 2 was really established by Tampa like 10 years ago or so wasn't it? I'm sure it was used before that too, but didn't Tampa have that Tampa 2 cover that they used a lot?

IC Champion 10-19-2010 02:31 PM

Cover 2 is a shell defense consisting of two safeties back deep each responsible for a half of the field.

Tampa 2 is zone defense, with the safties dropping back, like cover 2, but with the MLB droppin back and covering the middle of the field, with the rest of the coverage dropping back 8-10 yards from scrimmage.

SammyG 10-19-2010 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3289238)
Ok, can someone confirm my beliefs in what I think is going on here please, it would be much appreciated.

What I have gathered is

- Coin flip determines kickoff, team who catchs it runs as far as possible towards the goal line (touchdown zone) when the player holding the ball is tackled play begins there.

- Players line up on the line of scrimmage and must be ten yards from each other, with 5 people on the line, 5 back and the QB

- The snapper snaps the ball back to a player behind (doesnt have to be QB, can be a hand off I think its called)

- Have to gain 10 yards within 4 downs to gain a new 1st down

- Can run the ball or pass the ball for the ten yards

- 11 players to a side

- Touchdown is 6 points, a tackle of player in touchdown zone is 2 points (safety) and after a touchdown they get a chance to

1) Kick a field goal (from how far out?) for 1 point
2) Make another TD (from 10 yards out I think) for 2 points? or is it 3?

If the positions could be defined as well, I would love that :)


1. Touchdown zone= Endzone. It's where you gotta go to get 6 points. After that you get a chance to kick an 18 yard field goal which is an extra point, you get 1 point for that. For a 2 point conversion, you get the ball at the two yard line and try to score another touchdown basically, you get 2 points if you get that.

2. Line of scrimmage is where the play starts, yes. There needs to be a minimum of 5 men on the line, yes, but you can also include a Tight End or two on the sides too. 5 men in the back does not happen, no. Teams can either have 1,2,3,4,5 receivers, depend on the formation they go in. Teams with potent passing attacks, like GB for example, often go into 5 spread formations (five receivers). Other teams that run, can have 5 men on the line, the QB, a fullback, and a running back lined up in a I formation, with 3 receivers. Remember, 11 on offense, 11 on defense. There is no rule that tells you how many men you should have in the backfield, but you usually won't see more than 3 (shot gun formation with dual running backs in there)

QB-Quarterback (guy the ball is snapped to )
HB/RB- Running Back (guy that gets handoffs from the QB)
WR- Wide Receiver (guys that catch the ball thrown to them from QB, although running backs get thrown to as well.)
TE- Tight End, they receive passes as well as get placed on the offensive line to block for the quarterback/running back to create time for the quarterback and create holes for the running backs to run through.

LG, LT, C, RG,RT= Left Guard, Left Tackle, Center (snaps the ball), Right Guard, Right tackle. All of these guys are on the offensive line and help protect the quarterback, or make holes for the running back.

Defensive tackles, Defensive Ends are on the defensive line, and try to get to the quarterback, or tackle the running backs, basically stop the opposing team's progress.

Linebackers line up behind the defensive line and are there to back up the defensive line. They are usually the hardest hitters in the game. LAURINAITIS BABYYY.

Cornerbacks cover the wide receivers and try to prevent completions from occuring, or they try to intercept the pass, which means they catch the ball from the quarterback and run the other way.

Safeties play deep in the defensive backfield usually, and are safety valves for any deep passes the quarterback might throw. They are there to help the cornerbacks with coverage, or they can blitz the quarterback. I dunno, it's tough to explain everything in football, I just gave you a basic rundown I believe.

El Fangel 10-19-2010 02:48 PM

Please excuse the roughness of the drawing but here is what I have gathered from your explanation and visualized.

Point out where I am wrong as I am almost certain I have the WR in the wrong spot.


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1093/footballv.jpg

Big Fat Mike 10-19-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3289610)
Please excuse the roughness of the drawing but here is what I have gathered from your explanation and visualized.

Point out where I am wrong as I am almost certain I have the WR in the wrong spot.


http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1093/footballv.jpg

The typical pro defensive set is a 4-3, or 3-4, with two safeties being on both the strong and weak sides of the offense. Rarely will you see five down defensive linemen unless in a short yardage or goal-line situation.

Or the '85 Bears.

Innovator 10-19-2010 02:59 PM

6-2

SammyG 10-19-2010 03:03 PM

The receivers are not lined up close to the line, usually, they are on the far ends of the field.

SammyG 10-19-2010 03:04 PM

http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...ad_offense.jpg

El Fangel 10-19-2010 03:12 PM

I labeled what I think eahc person is.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4024/football2v.jpg

CSL 10-19-2010 03:15 PM

lol probably couldn't have picked a worse pic for a formation, empty backfield (no RB/FB's)

CSL 10-19-2010 03:17 PM

http://www.nfl.com/teams/indianapoli...chart?team=IND

SammyG 10-19-2010 05:42 PM

Yeah, sorry, picked an empty backfield lol

Nervous Ferret 10-19-2010 05:52 PM

love Pat Angerer

Droford 10-19-2010 08:13 PM

Anyone else wanna take me up on my bet that Ray Lewis is the first player suspended under this new "Zero Tolerance" policy for hits?

McLegend 10-19-2010 08:49 PM

The Cover 2 really?

IC Champion 10-19-2010 09:01 PM

What about cover 2?

Gonzo 10-19-2010 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SammyG (Post 3289576)
There needs to be a minimum of 5 men on the line, yes, but you can also include a Tight End or two on the sides too.

There needs to be 7 men on the line of scrimmage. The offensive tackles have to be "covered", either by a tight end or wide receiver.

What that means, Fallen Angel, is that you have your five offensive lineman. You have the center (the player who snaps the ball to the quarterback), two guards, one to each side of the center, and two offensive tackles, one to each side of the center. That is 5 men that will always be on the line of scrimmage. However, the two tackles, the outermost offensive line players, must be "covered" by another player to their outside shoulder. This could be a tight end or wide receiver. These players will line up at the line of scrimmage, on the line, to "cover" the tackle. Basically, the offensive tackle cannot be the farthest player to the outside in an offensive formation. There must be a tight end or wide receiver on each side that lines up on the line of scrimmage.

There can't be more than 7 players on the line either. For example, if two wide receivers line up on the right side of a formation, one of those players must be on the line of scrimmage, and the other will generally line up exactly 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage.

McLegend 10-19-2010 09:08 PM

Kind of seems like you are trying to hard again to attack, SammyG.

Gonzo 10-19-2010 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3289669)
I labeled what I think eahc person is.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4024/football2v.jpg

To further illustrate my point in my previous post, look at this picture. You have five offensive lineman. They are on the line of scrimmage. It may appear that the guards and tackles are slightly back from center, but that is allowed because they are going to be pass protecting.

On the left side of the formation, on the bottom of the picture, note how the middle receiver, of the three, is lined up on the 21 yard line, where as the other two receivers to that side are lined up on the 20 yard line. On the right side of the formation, the top side of the photo, the far most outside receiver is lined up on the 21 yard line, while the receiver in the "slot" is lined up on the 20 yard line.

If you look at this, you can see 7 men on the line of scrimmage. 5 offensive lineman, and the two receivers, one to each side of the formation.

I know this seems complicated, but it really isn't.

Gonzo 10-19-2010 09:18 PM

Also, there are tons of variations for formations. You don't have to have a certain number of tight ends, wide receivers, or running backs on the field.

McLegend 10-19-2010 09:35 PM

Great game on Espn2.

RP 10-20-2010 08:03 AM

Indianapolis must be Drunk Kicker U

RoXer 10-20-2010 04:42 PM

Happy Tuesday Party People

Supreme Olajuwon 10-21-2010 05:25 PM

Love how much of a whiny bitch James Harrison is being about these illegal hit punishments. Classic Steelers football.

Emperor Smeat 10-21-2010 05:52 PM

How many times has he threaten to retire or boycott something by now, 3-4 times?

Worst was him boycotting the meeting with the President when the Steelers won the title just because Obama planned to have the Cardinals be there had the Cards won the Superbowl. Somehow he felt disrespected that there was plans for a Cardinals meeting even though Presidents always plan for 2 teams and then invite the winners.

IC Champion 10-21-2010 06:25 PM

Mr. Harrison doesn't seem particularly smart.

parkmania 10-21-2010 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3292297)
Mr. Harrison doesn't seem particularly smart.

Agreed. Great football player, but a mental midget.

RP 10-22-2010 10:29 AM

If the Colts beat the Texans as beat up as they are now, then the Texans have no shot in hell of ever winning the AFC South.

The Colts will be without Dallas Clark, Austin Collie and possibly without Joe Addai.


BTW i'll be at this game. Tailgaiting at around 4 or 5 pm. Drunk as shit when i go in. Balls out as the game is played. GO COLTS!

RP 10-22-2010 11:02 AM

Peyton Manning might seal up another MVP award if he destroys the Texans on MNF without Clark, Collie and Addai. Am i wrong?

The Pope 10-22-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3289669)
I labeled what I think eahc person is.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4024/football2v.jpg

5WR, no RB, no TE

RP 10-22-2010 11:10 AM

4 WR's, RB in motion out to the far left ( #33). No TE. It's classic Patriots football. They motion there RB out as a 5th receiver and spread the field.


too easy.

RP 10-22-2010 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3289679)
lol probably couldn't have picked a worse pic for a formation, empty backfield (no RB/FB's)

Not really. I mean he labeled them wrong, but it's obviously a motion of a RB coming out of the backfield and moving to far left as a receiver.

RP 10-22-2010 11:18 AM

Patriots do that alot when there is 1 safety in coverage. If you show them a single safety look, Brady audibles the RB out to a WR spot and goes empty backfield.

Innovator 10-22-2010 11:21 AM

Now you get a LB matched up against Welker, which is just stupid to begin with.

The Pope 10-22-2010 11:21 AM

So you're saying it's still 5 WR's?

The Pope 10-22-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 3292929)
Now you get a LB matched up against Welker, which is just stupid to begin with.

:lol: I just noticed there's like 10 LB's labeled

Innovator 10-22-2010 11:25 AM

Most of the time the motion is to pick up if they are in man or zone coverage.

Ermaximus 10-22-2010 12:52 PM

Ouch. Dallas Clark is out for the season now.

FearedSanctity 10-22-2010 01:51 PM

Yet another hit to my damn fantasy team. Who'd be getting Clark's catches RP?

Ermaximus 10-22-2010 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FearedSanctity (Post 3293106)
Yet another hit to my damn fantasy team. Who'd be getting Clark's catches RP?

My guess is Collie and Garcon will get a lot more catches now. Who is the Colts backup TE anyway?

Skippord 10-22-2010 05:44 PM

Jacob Tamme

Evil Vito 10-24-2010 11:33 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Fucking hate it when the Giants don't play on Sunday. It'll be like that 2 weeks in a row</font> :(

Team Sheep 10-24-2010 11:45 AM

Let's go Steelers and Chargers.

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 12:53 PM

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009...r--300x300.jpg

He's back.....

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 12:53 PM

Also, Chris Ivory is a f'n beast..

Supreme Olajuwon 10-24-2010 01:27 PM

Wonder how many knee injuries we'll see this week with everyone going down low to tackle.

McLegend 10-24-2010 01:30 PM

I wonder if we will see high fantasy numbers this week.

RP 10-24-2010 01:45 PM

Brees throws his 7th pick of the season.

Droford 10-24-2010 01:46 PM

So fn glad I took the Browns +19.5 vs the Saints

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 02:19 PM

Missing both our RB's and 3 CB's and Sharper is limited..

Our special teams coach should be fired..

RP 10-24-2010 02:30 PM

Drew Brees is horrible

Droford 10-24-2010 02:30 PM

I dont know if I can take much more of this Ravens game.

Supreme Olajuwon 10-24-2010 02:40 PM

I've seen 4 year olds with ADD who are more disciplined than the Cincinnati Bengals.

Marvin's gotta go. Bratkowski should've been gone 3 years ago. It's not one or two bad eggs messing up the chemistry. It's the entire freaking team that can't get organized. How hard is this?

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conebone69 (Post 3295200)
Drew Brees is horrible

So a "horrible" QB beat the favored Colts in the Super Bowl??

Droford 10-24-2010 03:03 PM

HAHA Ed Reed int, next play is a flea flicker to Boldin for 44 yards td

Ravens now up! yay

DaveWadding 10-24-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 3295230)
So a "horrible" QB beat the favored Colts in the Super Bowl??

Yeah, it's kinda like how a 25 year old undrafted rookie QB beat the defending champs 2 weeks ago. ;)

Supreme Olajuwon 10-24-2010 03:13 PM

Is the RP/Krispy feud starting up again? Gonna have to subsribe to this thread now.

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 03:19 PM

I'm going to eat a bullet..

One good thing, I am going to the Saits/Steelers game next week, so the tix should be cheaper..

RoXer 10-24-2010 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 3295252)
I'm going to eat a bullet..

ahahahaha

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 03:24 PM

Just like in the Cards game, nothing is falling our way..

Supreme Olajuwon 10-24-2010 03:24 PM

PACMANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 03:37 PM

These officials are dookie..

RP 10-24-2010 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 3295230)
So a "horrible" QB beat the favored Colts in the Super Bowl??

someones feathers are ruffled .

RP 10-24-2010 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 3295284)
These officials are dookie..

your team is dookie

RP 10-24-2010 03:54 PM

ROFL THE BIGGEST ROBBERY EVER JUST HAPPEND IN MIAMI

RP 10-24-2010 04:00 PM

oh lookie. Another Brees pick 6.

Droford 10-24-2010 04:01 PM

I coulda had the Browns -19.5 and theyd still cover..amazing

D Mac 10-24-2010 04:02 PM

WOOOOOOO Chiefs! Good win guys. Still first place.

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conebone69 (Post 3295303)
your team is dookie

Are you really trying to say that a bad team beat your team in the Super Bowl??

Madden curse..

McLegend 10-24-2010 04:23 PM

This weekend sucked.

Kris P Lettus 10-24-2010 04:24 PM

word

D Mac 10-24-2010 04:25 PM

Nah it ruled.

IC Champion 10-24-2010 04:27 PM

The NFC is very mediocre this year.

Skippord 10-24-2010 04:33 PM

and the Broncos are just embarrassing themselves

D Mac 10-24-2010 04:34 PM

AFC West Champions: Kansas City Chiefs

Now that's got a great ring to it.

D Mac 10-24-2010 04:35 PM

SammyG: lol Rams

Hanso Amore 10-24-2010 04:40 PM

God. Fucking Bills come out and play a good game against the Ravens and lose it in OT.

At least it was fun to watch.

D Mac 10-24-2010 04:42 PM

And they will still be winless after next week. :wave:

IC Champion 10-24-2010 04:57 PM

LOL San Diego

Droford 10-24-2010 04:58 PM

The Ravens have a bye and then the Panthers in 2 weeks.

Nice timing for Matt Moore to heat up. Bet he throws for 300 yards too.

Emperor Smeat 10-24-2010 04:58 PM

:lol: Chargers turnovers.

WR catches the ball but never gets touched so he places ball on the ground and immediately gets swarmed by Pats players for the ball. Chargers end up loosing the ball.

OssMan 10-24-2010 05:00 PM

Amazing games so far. Like 15 fumbles in Redskins vs Bears. Fucking retarded game.

DaveWadding 10-24-2010 05:11 PM

Goddamn I love the Niners right now.

RP 10-24-2010 05:20 PM

Tebow Time IMO

Skippord 10-24-2010 05:22 PM

it might just be time to fly to England

ClockShot 10-24-2010 05:24 PM

Just got home.

Fire McDevil.

Skippord 10-24-2010 05:27 PM

this game would be a fun drinking game

everytime a Bronco embarrasses themselves you take a drink

Skippord 10-24-2010 05:30 PM

I was kind of jealous my brother is at this game

RP 10-24-2010 06:07 PM

TEBOW TIME GOD DAMNIT!

Nark Order 10-24-2010 06:08 PM

Jesus Christ, Skippord. I can't even watch this game.

Nark Order 10-24-2010 06:08 PM

Just saw the Redskins game on Sportscenter but that was a pretty clutch win.

El Fangel 10-24-2010 06:16 PM

I am going to look like an idiot here.

But linebackers are only used on defense right?

RoXer 10-24-2010 06:17 PM

Yeah

RP 10-24-2010 06:35 PM

Thanks for playing the 2010 NFL Season Denver Broncos

Skippord 10-24-2010 06:39 PM

this game is bumming me out

Nervous Ferret 10-24-2010 06:40 PM

Traded Darren McFadden in my fantasy league earlier in the year bc this guy wouldn't leave me the fuck alone. Seriously was texting me 55774372728 a day with awful trade offers and he wouldn't stfu. Finally took driver and some other clown for him even though I really did not want to do it. Hate myself so much now. H8 that guy even more

Skippord 10-24-2010 06:40 PM

TE-BOW TE-BOW TE-BOW


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