I liked Sting in TNA during the period I watched from around 2006-2008 or something

Tiny Khan would be willing to give somebody $35 Million of his daddy's money to buy the rights to use the "Adams Family" in perpetuity for AEW.

I’m no defender of TNA, but Sting was arguably a bright spot for that promotion at times. There are some embarrassing memories, but that goes for WCW and AEW as well.

The only thing that had any genuine traction was the millionaire club or whatever it was called

LOL, Main Event Mafia bro!

Yeah the millionaire club was wcw wasnt it. It all bleeds together

My favorite delusion is the time I joked the Real Estate Steve character into existence.

:lol:

Not much gained traction. I do remember he was a worthwhile investment for Spike in the early days. There was no doubt some horrible stuff, but a lot of it was “just there” too. There are some “good” matches that took place there too. I’d argue that there’s been horrible stuff in AEW and that nothing has really gained traction either.

Sting’s best promo work was arguably in TNA.

How’s Fight Forever doing?

Wont know current data until Embracer Group has their investor meeting. Most concrete figures was it generated $1mil in june which was a 2 week window. So it was out of the gate pretty strong but i expect sales plateaud pretty hard. If they have a substantial update it wager youd see another surge in sales but the light content on release definitely turned away a lot of potential buyers. They have some paid dlc coming so the revenue stream isnt completely dry but they def need a substantial increase in modes

Hello members of the PWW. Are there any nice and cheap ways to watch this Wembley ppv? I was actually going to go but then things came up. I would buy it but I’m would miss the first hour and a half or so, so I’m not going to fish out full price for half an event. Not all that invested in the matches either. Hit me up.

I get not wanting to pay for the event, but couldn’t you just order it and watch it from the start when you’re free?

Looking at the setup and I feel bad for anyone who paid to see this. Looks worse for the live crowd than WM since they've been having them in the football stadiums. I just can't fathom how you can watch the action not on one of the screens unless you're literally in the first 5 rows.

Secondary market tickets going for about $5

Holy shit, that’s amazing lol.

But Meltzer said no one was going to sell their ticket.

it was this was for WM 8 at the Hoosier Dome too. Cheap ass seats, watched most of it on the screen. Also had binoculars with us.

Its def a downside for running a venue the 1st time. You dont inherently know how to set it up and its not exactly plug and play from one arena to the other. Hopefully the attendees enjoyed the show well enough for them to have a 2nd stab at it a few years down the road.

Of course I say that the fed routinely puts on shows in the same arenas that would be abysmal to attend so maybe audiences just accept not being able to see shit for fuck as the price of being included. dunno.

Could be it. Like on another site people were sharing their firsthand accounts and the guy who posted THIS pic said he had a blast.

https://i.ibb.co/72hQPQb/Screen-Shot...0Dnskup82I5aKk

Said basically everyone in his section knew they weren't gonna see shit, tix were cheap and clearly marked as obstructed. It was more about just being in a rowdy crowd, chanting/singing a lot and watching a landmark/first time event on a screen together.

People who had more expensive seats and had them obstructed I'd guess were more pissed off. That said it's nearly impossible to avoid obstruction for stadium shows especially outdoors. The light rigging has to go somewhere.

But while people had fun here, will this many people wanna deal with the travel, traffic, etc to do it all again when it's an annual thing? Remains to be seen. At least WM changes venue every year and it's not something people can typically go to annually.

CM Punk and Jack Perry reportedly both suspended pending an investigation of their All In fight

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This altercation shouldn't have taken place.

I say this because Jack should have been met at the curtain with a release, Ultimate Warrior style.

One man is 44 years old leaking details to the internet that the 26 year old had a tantrum.
26 year old makes a comment mocking that report.
44 year old man has a tantrum.

Sounds pretty on par for Phil.

Hmm... guess I won't be buying All Out or watching Collision for the time being. Oh well, gives me time to do something else :)

The backstage drama is still more interesting than the actual on-air content. And now you have wrestlers like Mike Santana coming forward and being like “Who cares? Focus on what a great show it was.” Well, no — that your show is being upstaged kind of proves the point.

I can’t believe how many people on the internet think it’s okay for wrestlers to go ON TELEVISION and try and piss all over AEW’s business. Adam Page did it, Jack Perry did it. This is the biggest no-no. Getting into a fight backstage can be sorted out however you want to, but when you go in front of your audience and air this shit, there needs to be consequences.

It seems AEW’s stupider talent also overlook how important CM Punk is to their business scheme, while they are expendable. Tony needs Collision to work and he needs Punk to make that happen. It’s more pissing on your own leg. Talent that don’t get it need to either be smartened up or released.

The fight itself has numerous angles coming out about it. The closest thing to a trusted Punk side says that Punk confronted Jungle Boy, asked if he’s got something to say, Jack dared Punk to do something about it, Punk shoved him, Jack got heated and Punk neutralized him. He then removed himself from the building and ordered Nando’s for his friends.

There’s also a hilarious story about how inept Punk’s travel arrangements were.

I seriously don’t know how Punk puts up with that place. Yes, they pay him a lot of money. But the lack of control Tony has the amount of air a mark attitude in the locker room gets is pretty surreal.

I imagine him passing Tony Khan backstage on the way to the ring, who is jumping up and down screaming his name and Punk is just like:

https://c.tenor.com/pj3Jp48LuBcAAAAM/cm-punk-wwe.gif

While chuckling to himself and wondering just how much of this mark's money he can take.

I thought I was reading an xrod post for a second.

It appears that guy whose job it was to set up Punk's arrangements is one of the Bucks' boys, and also liked some anti-Punk Xs or whatever.

LJ is not wrong though. Tiny Khan has no backbone, and all this shit only happens because he does nothing to stop it.

My post was inspired by the news of Tony being in the guerilla position trying to start a CM Punk chant. Like, I seriously don't know if I would be able to walk past him with a straight look on my face.

Why was Tony not the first person on Jungle Boy when he came back through the curtain?

Punk being off All Out in Chicago is fucking weak.

That’s fair. I don’t think Punk would survive in any other company if he kept behaving this way. He’s certainly taking advantage of Tony Khan’s fandom.

I expect him to be on the card. Suspended during investigation is a pretty standard process. They could have it wrapped up entirely by now.

Hence the smirk gif

Too busy chanting for Punk when he walked by. Then when Punk was choking out Perry, Khan was probably cheering him on thinking it was a work.

He’ll cheer him on then won’t back him up when he makes the decisions TK is too scared to.

Fuck taking sides at the moment, all I can really think is that if I'm in AEW, particularly someone that worked the show, I'd feel pretty fucking deflated that we've just had one of the biggest shows of all-time and now all anyone is talking about again is locker room drama.

Like, no matter who is at fault, it's a really fucking bad thing that whatever "momentum" was gained is just going right back into talking about what a shitshow it is backstage. Like it's all gone to waste.

That's the real draw of CM Punk right there. What kind of backstage nonsense will his massive ego and fragile psyche get him into next?

Seriously though you nailed it with this.

Ever since the backstage drama wars started I have found it very difficult to enjoy AEW the same way I did before. Admittedly a lot of my lost interest is due to a lack of PAC and Danhausen though, not just the drama.

Vito nailed it there.

It’s fucking stupid that there’s even a Dynamite camp vs Collision camp thing going on, the AEW audience isn’t big enough to cannibalise itself.

Lack of PAC is hurting rasslin overall

TK thinks drama is good. That's how he wants to run the promotion so thats what we're getting. Its his vision. He fails to see that you then need to harness that into on screen shit in order for it to actually be good for the business.

I can't believe TK is so shit at his job that I have to use Vince as an example of how to run a promotion.

It works in a couple of ways. One, everyone knows about a beef so it draws eyeballs and moves tickets. Second, it sends the message to talent that their little squabbles can and will be put on TV which could make them look stupid and push them down the card. Mind yourself or Daddy with fuck with you because its HIS promotion, not yours.

Controversy creates cash!

Especially here at TPWW/forums. Its how Triple A is living that yacht life rn.

The show wasn’t spectacular enough to justify people talking about it. The backstage drama shouldn’t be happening, because TK should fucking discipline The Elite side, but let’s not pretend that if it weren’t happening the product would be sizzling. Wrestlers should be annoyed that the booking of this promotion with the best initial backing ever throws it all down the well with bad hirings, bad booking and bad management.

I hope Triple A has a yacht.

Shit, if they're going to be so loose with backstage shenanigans, they should at least turn it into a marketable angle.


Otherwise, it's more Crying Man Punk.

#ShutItDown

It might be shut down if Punk leaves. Nick Hausman has said he thinks Punk will leave. I’m not sure how much insight he actually has on that though. But he’s been closest to the Punk camp so far. You can only jerk around the guy holding your company up so long.

They will be fine without him.

Nope. Without him, Collision collapses. Without Collision, the TV deals are pulled. There’s also a difference between a pre-Punk company and a post-Punk company. The more casual audience has seen that stars can be there and they’ll be disenchanted when stars aren’t.

Well is it that they will collapse or TK will just fund it anyway?

Completely agree. If there is no punk to run collision, then the Saturday night show basically becomes Dynamite 2.0, just on a worse market for TV because of the night it is on.

The Khans have the resources to fund it for as long as they want. How long that will be at a loss is up to how much Shad wants to let Tony throw his money down a well.

The idea is for it to make money back. That’s why TK charges for ROH and has presumably agreed to do Collision in the first place. No one was asking for more AEW content, at least from the AEW end. It’s a bad idea for anything other than money. So the question is just how much Tony needs that money to be coming in. We won’t know that until it isn’t.

A lot of people want to make fun of Collision’s numbers, but the stark reality is l what those numbers would be like without Punk. It’s pretty grim.

If I’m WBD, I don’t want to house a show I know can be doing better, but isn’t because the guy running it for us lets his insecure employees run off the biggest star. I’d almost resent them on principal, let alone what the numbers end up as so they can do the Chicken Dance every Wednesday.

Eventually WBD is going to wake up and see how toxic Tony Khan has made his company. While the Elite and everyone else don't make it better, he is the one that has the supreme authority to stop people from behaving the way that they do. Eventually, there is going to be some form of altercation where there will be someone who gets seriously hurt, but Tony and AEW as a whole will be at fault because again, as I have said so many times before, he would rather be the fanboy than the owner of a major company.

Another thing to keep in mind re: Collision:

Since it’s a wrestling audience, we assume that it’s the same people watching every week. But given the night and the more casual flex the show seems to have, it’s possible that Collision actually gets more unique eyeballs than Dynamite does. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprise if Dynamite has largely the same core audience every week. Or a higher ratio of weekly viewers than Collision, which might have more of a rotation.

If The Elite are left to stock Collision, it’s possible that not only the numbers week-to-week drop, but the size of the gross audience is also much, much smaller.

Tony Khan definitely needs to shoulder the blame. I mean, The Elite have their personality responsibility too, but TK lets it happen for sure.

Imagine a world where after Brawl Out, Tony has all the parties involved come sit down together with a mediator, hash out what happened, tells the parties "Don't do this shit again, or else you will all be suspended indefinitely without pay and possibly fired for the incident at hand"

You’d think that would have happened after the Adam Page incident. I doubt it happens now unless something makes Tony.

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Tony is paying his wrestlers enough that if they leave they can probably band together and finance something half-decent on their own.

As long as they haven't invested their earnings in Global Force Gold

Jeff Jarrett might end up running AEW by the time things are done.

Wow. What total dog shit they're shoveling for what is supposed to be the biggest show of the year. That card is meant for a fucking house show.

AEW International Championship – Jon Moxley vs. Orange Cassidy (c)

TNT Championship – Darby Allin vs. Luchasaurus (c)

TBS Championship – Ruby Soho vs. Kris Statlander (c)

ROH World Tag Team Championship – Winner of #1 Contender Tag Team Battle Royal vs. Adam Cole & MJF (c)

ROH World Television Championship – Shane Taylor vs. Samoa Joe (c)

8-Man Tag Team match – The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) & FTR (Cash Wheeler & Dax Harwood) vs. Bullet Club Gold (Jay White, Juice Robinson, & The Gunns (Austin & Colten Gunn)

Miro vs. Powerhouse Hobbs

Kenny Omega vs. Konosuke Takeshita

They'll add something during Collision but WTF can you bill as your main event here? Jesus Christ. It feels worse every time I look at it.

This is the worst card Ive ever seen for a ppv of this caliber. Seriously.

on Twitter just now TK added Kingston/Shibata vs Yuta/Claudio and Ricky Steamboat vs Ricky Starks in a Strap match

Adam Cole / MJF will face

I love it.

Lol....me and ABT are going to need to get shitfaced to get through this bile.

The top men's and (so far) women's titles as well as the tag titles are not being defended on traditionally the biggest show of the year.

All they added according to slik was more jobber matches. How can anyone think this will work?well?

They're doing this in the fucking United Center. Crowd might start doing the wave out of boredom.

Seriously, what is left to potentially add and what closes this dreck of a show?

wait.... Steamboat?

Main Event Orange Cassidy

You’re a liar.

If you enjoy schadenfreude, this PPV has an upside.

At least you get to pay to possibly see Ricky Steamboat die.

Imagine being worried you were going to get The Kingdom wrestling on PPV. Then you find out it’s The Dark Order and it’s even worse.

Still have FITE until 16th September. Curious to see what a CM Punkless Collision looks like.

At least with the Kingdom, you will see a star. It's Maria, but still, she is a star.

Maria was at least potentially going to be a bright spot.

Very bright. Saw her up close once and was just taken aback by how glowing orange she was. Like I didn't know people could be that colour.

Looking at the card for All Out this year, I'm more floored now than I was last year when they followed up All Out with a Dynamite main event of Daniel Garcia vs Wheeler Yuta with a 3rd tier ROH title on the line complete with huge confetti shower like Benoit and Eddie just won at WM.

I came back for this run since Punk returned and.....its had its moments....mostly involving MJF but its been not bad at least. Now we are at another Garcia/Yuta moment where I'm ready to turn this off and leave again but since I have tickets to All Out, I have to watch it like the final episodes of Game of Thrones knowing it sucks and its going to suck but I have to bear it and see it through.

I’m sorry this has happened to you. Maybe there are still ways you can have fun at the show?

The grown ass adults who should be professionals are not sorry that they acted like big baby men children, Frankie.


They have your money and will speeeeeeend it on druuuuggggsss.


Then Moxley introduces linoleum knives :shifty:

Punk is straight edge Pepsi, baby

Lol yes, but they might not get any more after this. Not after I have to sit through Orange Cassidy vs Jon Moxley.

Seriously, what is your main event on Sunday?

Not watching it.

Couple this with what WWE are offering with Payback and it’s a pretty lacklustre weekend of premium wrestling content.

Good. I won't be missing anything while I no-life Starfield over the weekend.

Chicago doesn’t seem to be the audience to neglect. AEW diehards are a weird breed though. Love slurping down that boot. The crowd reaction has got me intrigued. I hope Chicago lets them have it, lol.