It’s already dead as far as I’m concerned.

Laying that at the feet of a new (and quite popular) guy who is being pushed in the mid card might be laying it on a bit thick.

OC is a symptom and not the cause. It was long dead before he came around.

Why are you keeping alive the sophomoric nickname people who have long since been blocked came up with? I didn't know you were such a die hard Matt Hardy fan to get your ire so revved up.

Sir he was defending you.

Of course. But when you're dieing of bowel cancer you dont applaud the diarrhea. It may beat constipation but you're still shitting yourself to death.

And you can’t get mad when the nickname is literally your handle spelled backwards.

i never noticed...but fair play

I mean Matt Hardy is gonna say whatever he can to promote the company he works for. I don’t see the big deal. I’m sure he’s convinced himself OC is great for business and he has to because, otherwise, his sense of self worth would be bleak.


As for me, I do not applaud Orange Cassidy lol.

Wasnt mad lol. Look who I was originally quoting when I said Matt Hardy can never shut up.

Hence why I gave Seph the business :cool:

Im not faulting hardy. He's promoting the company he works for. I dont expect him be honest even if he thinks the show is shit. Id think less of him if he were

He’s literally comparing relationships with the boss and how they’re used. I can see having a problem with calling him a good wrestler but he didn’t actually compare him to Taker. Lol

It’s like when Thunder Rosa’s “My rivalry with Britt Baker is not something that is going to end. It’s like The Rock and Stone Cold (Steve Austin), something similar, or Trish (Stratus) and Lita. Something of that sort. Something that is never going to end.” turned into “OMG SHE COMPARED HERSELF AND BRITT TO ROCK AND AUSTIN OMGLOL!!!”

Comprehending the point of an analogy is very difficult for some.

There were other people "listed" as DLC that weren't "announced" right now (including Negative One). However, its the games industry, so that doesn't mean shit just because they want to announce this stuff later on their own terms. Everything will be denied up until the day they don't.

Its plausible there's a long tail of updates of a year or two. Post market monetization is the thing these days after. It'll need to move some units though to get anything past the 6 month mark.

I bought into an undead wizard summoning lightening in arenas, but I can't buy orange cassidy beating anyone.

The homeless guy I pass on the way home who yells obscenities at bikers looks like he would absolutely murder OC.

Tbf that hobo sounds tough as shit

I wouldn't be eager to fight most hobos tbh.

That might be Perry Saturn!

So, you're saying it isn't too late for that rumored Vinnie Mac "army of hobos"?

Or Tomasso Ciampa.

If there's one thing Tomasso Ciampa hates, it's people on bicycles.

I love Orange Cassidy. Totally get why people wouldn't like him, but he entertains me.

Anyway it does tickle me that there's an argument over Orange Cassidy seemingly every other week. Not just here but anywhere wrestling is discussed.

He's basically viewed as the litmus test in terms of your tastes, even though I don't think liking Orange Cassidy means you must hate traditional wrassling or whatever. I like all of it.

Also litmus paper can turn orange so hey! That fits.

We absolutely discuss O.C. here often!

Orange is fine. I don’t like him in the main event and they’ve mostly kept him out of that picture. He’s a midcard workhorse who moves merch and gets good to great crowd reaction with good matches. I enjoy him in his current role. J just don’t want him pushed further.

Part of me wants to see MJF vs. Orange at Wembley because the crowd will be shit hot for it and I want to see the internet set itself on fire and watch the world burn

Fucking thank you.

Eh, I take your point, but there’s the point where the specifics of what you say is actually detrimental. Hardy makes the company look like even more of a joke with the hyperbole.

They’re incompatible. If you want sincere art you cannot accept Orange Cassidy, who is inherently a pisstake.

Don’t get me wrong, you can subjectively enjoy both on your own in separate contexts. I would be ashamed to enjoy Orange Cassidy, but whatever. That context is objectively incompatible with wrestling presented in an effective way though. Effective wrestling is defined by how easy it is to immerse yourself in. You cannot convince yourself in Orange Cassidy.

OC is for people who hate wrestling. The masochists who have watched for too long and think it’s clever to get kicked in the nuts.

Orange Cassidy is the “Man Getting Hit By Football” of professional wrestling.

He’s probably one of the nicest guys in the business, because if he wasn’t, no one would let him get away with a fraction of the shit he does. But he fucking sucks and AEW isn’t popular enough to hide behind comparative ratings bumps caused by people gawking as they inform their opinion that this shit is for fucking losers.

Dude should have been a referee, held a camera, run errands. If he loves wrestling and has to be involved, that is. What he does actively undermines everyone who has come before him and cuts off everyone who will try to come after. Good luck to the next Steve Austin trying to convince people he’s authentic when Orange Cassidy has wiped his ass with the form.

And yeah, he’s a symptom. Fuck him and everyone else like him though. This is the most selfish generation of performers, because they’re getting paid a shit-tonne to kill this and leave nothing for anyone else to do.

I can’t wait for Trent’s mom to drive Orange Cassidy to the ring at Wembley in the van and AEW fans to applaud themselves because it’s so funny and then get their feelings hurt when AEW can’t sell out another stadium ever. :y:

Just saw the gif of the Rampage slapstick. Holy shit.

I’ve been trying to convince myself that Collision could actually be good. Nah. It’s AEW.

So on occasion AEW plan on taping Collision on a Thursday, in the same venue as Dynamite. Logistically it makes sense because the arena is all set up etc.

But there's always a risk in running the same venue back to back nights. Especially when it's a brand new show. And even more especially when it's following a PPV the Sunday before only an hour away. So that's gonna cut in to your market. Some people can only can afford to go to one show, or the PPV and one TV show.

And if that's the case, why wouldn't you pick the "flagship" show that's been around for years over a new show? Other than announcing some of the people involved, nobody knows yet if Collision is gonna feel like a unique experience, or if it's just gonna be a B-show/Dynamite Lite.

So to that end, maybe tickets will move week of when they announce stuff for it. Dynamite sales for Hamilton are decent. But the first Thursday Collision show the night after? Absolutely laughably abysmal.

https://i.imgur.com/MLNzbS1.png

Like it's not even remotely surprising. Why on earth would they book the first Thursday show so soon? They have to get that "brand" off the ground first. And even still, going two nights in a row is simply not affordable to most families.

AEW probably should avoid running back to back nights like the plague.

They are running that Thursday because that is the date for MITB

Running on Thursday isn’t really an issue. It’s that they’re running the same building.

Yeah it’s a pain in the ass to break a set down, move it to a new venue, and set it up in the next town. But it’s doable. Tough to imagine they won’t take a big loss drawing a TNA level crowd on that Thursday taping, unless they hold off some crazy post-Forbidden Door match for that show.

so with Collision about to exist...does that mean AEW has completely tapped out of the Saturday PPV scene? Fucking sucks.

That said. What platform ya'll getting the AEW game for? I'm leaning towards Switch. I want to preorder but want the less buggy/shitty experience so I dunno! WWGDD? What Would Guru Dave Do? Fuck Darlene

I miss KIRA. They were like a pure rasslin fan, like Smeat. I wonder if they still watch and if they tuned in to AEW when it started up.

Some actual cool discussion would be cool again. Don't get me wrong, I love teh monkey cum all 7 of us throw at each other.

I'll be getting in on Steam. I haven't ordered it yet, though.

also I love the Saturday PPVs so that sucks ass if they're going away because of this show I might watch every so often

I downloaded the demo for this game and I am really into it so far.

Its a day 1 buy for me so im skipping the demo but it looks so good. I cant wait.

Tiny Khan took it upon himself to say Forbidden Door II will be the BEST event New Japan has EVER participated in. A 51 year old company is going to reach it's alltime PEAK with matches wrestled by Wheeler Fucking Yuta, Willow Nightengale, and a rematch with Kenny Omega vs Will Asspray.

Guess New Japan has always been mediocre without Tiny's match randomizer machine, aka his spazzy coked out brain.

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This implies that your CAWs will suck even in exhibition mode unless you take them through career mode. If true, that's gonna have a pretty polarizing response from people who don't want that kind of a grind.

Like if I'm creating myself, going from a legit nobody to a star and building my stats along the way is fun. Zero issues with that.

But on the other hand I can see why it would be annoying to create someone like Okada and have to have him be a huge jobber in the game and play through a story mode where he's treated like a nobody. And then have to repeat this over and over for every CAW you make.

There's a fine line between the grind leading to fun replayability vs. the grind feeling like a chore making you not want to play. So we'll see how they roll this out.

My personal guess is they'll include the ability to unlock an accelerator where you can eventually just give whatever attributes you want to CAWs from the jump. More skeptically, they might allow you to pay for it ala 2k. Failing that you could have a HCTP-esque workaround where you rank up one CAW then make a bunch of copies of them and turn the copies into whoever you want.

We if they follow the WWE model they will def want your credit card

But yeah every caw needing a run through a campaign is a bad choice.

They can't expect so many people to want to run through a career mode with every new rassler to level them up that it would be the default, right?

I mean, I guess they could. But it would be dumb as fuck.

I can understand making people do it once with a CAW if you unlock the ability to assign attributes to all other CAWs moving forward, but that’s about it. If you had to do it with every CAW that would be a put-off.

Maybe something like, say, win 25-50 matches with created wrestlers to unlock the ability. Most practical way to do it would be campaign mode, but if you’re good enough at the game you could still just play as your newly created CAWs in exhibition.

Also possible that the attribute differences are overstated and you can quite easily pick a CAW and win with them in exhibition, but they’re just trying to “drive” you to play more campaigns.

I mean attributes should only go so far in fighting games. Even the “weak” characters should have a chance otherwise why ever use em?

That's why stats/attributes in a rassling game suck. Just let anybody fight anybody and have a chance.

There’s probably a middle ground. It can be fun playing as someone clearly outmatched to test your skills. They could give the option to sim where the attributes affect performance or arcade where everyone is pretty much even.

Or they could just not release the game because it is very likely going to be trash.

I haven’t been following this close — but is it true AEW are doing a WWE and jacking up their ticket prices because they can’t sell that many in most markets? Remember when that was a thing people made fun of WWE for? AEW was forever going to be the cool and affordable product.

I am about 95% certain that homophobic, misogynistic, drug addicted and bad health riddled Sabu's AEW debut is just a general prelude to a Rob Van Dam AEW signing.

Why the fuck else do you hire this man with his multitude of explicit unapologetic past unless you were trying to placate someone holistically associated with him?

Fuck yeah, Sabu is a unsung legend in wrestling but given his history in the woke world were in... holy fuck!!! how can you justify his antics just for a random unnecessary POP? You cannot.

We've all seen how Tony Khan has bent over backwards to appease CM Punk and still seems to be in utter star shock.

I still think they are angling to get Scurrl.

This. I mean, yes, some attributes and stats should be in there but it shouldn’t be to the point that you can’t win with certain guys. If they’re really gonna make you career mode your CAW just for them to be useful, in a company where even the low tier jobbers are having competitive matches on weekly TV with top guys, it’s gonna be a huge turn off for me as I love the CAW aspect of wrestling games.

Have they said whether there will be a Community Creations type deal?

Stats are good for those who are more hardcore about the single player experience, but there should be an option to play with equal baseline stats for casual play with friends.

I dunno i think wrestling inherently has tiers. No one would expect crash holly to be on par with the rock. I think the best solution for a large roster wrestling game is to have letter ranks. S-D.

Internally it would be total stat caps. S ranks have 40 distributed points for example. A ranks have i dunno 30. Whatever. You get it. It would allow friendly handicaps that are easy to understand. "Im better at the game, ill take a D tier guy and you can pick who you want."

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He’s done the full Dixie.

I predicted Aubrey wrestling. If she wins the TBS title, I am gonna demand payment from Tony Khan.

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Given all of that (and even though I don't 100% agree with how you phrased the CM Punk part), it's still kinda weird that it took Jay dying for the Briscoes to stop being persona non grata, but Sabu just appears out of nowhere.

Marty is a mixed bag. You have the high possibility he'll be shit all over if he ever appears again, but maybe not.

The fact of the matter is his circumstance was the least shitty out of ALL the guys getting hit up during all the #METOO stuff. He came out and admitted what happened before anyone accused him of anything, and it isn't like he left a whole trail of suspect behaviors like a Velveteen Dream or a Joey Ryan.

Maybe enough time has passed where he won't be lumped in with all that... but then again, all it takes is one internet article, one clever enough crowd sign, one popular enough person with an offhand tweet, and it's back to exile for him.

I don't mean this as a diss... but it's something I can't unsee now.

Tony Khan looks like a literal Muppet. I don't mean British slang "dumbass", either. I mean he actually looks like he was put together by the Henson Creature Shop or Industrial Light and Magic and controlled by hands and servos. If he were an outlandish color like red (prob'ly with an orange nose) that would seal it. And they have 3 different versions: beard, no beard, and hard 5 o'clock TK.

He’s on TV for 20 seconds a few times a year. Who gives a fuck.

Tony Khan Ate My Hamster

A few times a year, or 7 weeks in a row, same thing :rofl:

You are 100% the embodiment of the All-apologetic in All-apologetic Elite Wrestling.

Who gives a fuck about AEW? Exactly. Shit like this contributes. But keep sucking that boot.

It’s fucking insane that AEW is trying to market a second show to AEW fans who don’t like the AEW product. Then they’re going to ask you to buy PPVs when you don’t like 50% of what they do.

“BUT HE SAID HE WASN’T GOING TO TAKE UP ANY TV TIME. 1 MINUTE 40 SECONDS THIS YEAR IS DEFINITELY MORE THAN NONE. THAT’S JUST MATHS”

Yikes

AEW’s a joke, guys. Don’t take it so seriously.

Dont buy into that lie. Those awkward announcement are longer than 20 seconds. You gotta go by an actual clock and not Tiny's coked up lack of blinking!

The act of putting himself on TV at all tells you everything you need to know about what AEW’s about. 20 seconds, 2 minutes, 2 hours. It’s bad.

Wrestling isn't real.

See you in 3 years Noid

Fake doesn’t mean it has to be bad.

:lol: got 'em

AEW have reached out to Sean Waltman about coming in for a backstage role and maybe do an angle with Daddy Ass and The Acclaimed.

I'd be thrilled for Waltman if this came to fruition. I don't expect he'd wrestle for AEW much more than maybe a couple of matches when the situation calls for it, but he's got a great mind for the business and is generally well-liked, he'd be an asset for backstage should he choose to come aboard.

Don’t hate that!

Would love that for him, tbh

Road agent BJ Whitmer got arrested on strangulation and burglary charges, and he’s promptly been fired.

It is only ok if it is your coworkers and it happens backstage. Then you get to star in a new show as a reward :rofl:

Got my MJF pickles today. Can't wait to try the fuck outta them.

*Third show.

Yes, nobody gives a shit about Rampage, but it still exists.

I thought you already enjoyed MJF's pickle in your mouth...

Lol, no one would listen to Waltman if they brought him in.

lol wrestlers having a dustup in the back (honestly a time-honoured tradition in the business, and something that happens in all sports, often during games) is a lot different than domestic violence.

In fact, Tony Khan is dumb for making a bigger deal out of the backstage fight than was necessary.

Also, you're just dumb.

From all the Brawl Out stuff, the most insane elements to me are still that Adam Page got to ambush the biggest star with a shoot promo and get away with it, and that The Elite are still EVPs after bursting into someone’s private locker room.

I think someone that is dumb would be somebody not understanding a joke, and then getting offended by it. :yes:

And they also got to make jokes and publicly disrespect the guy... but STILL claim that Punk is the "cancer".

Even if you're someone who thinks CM Punk is just a giant asshole, what does that say about the guys consistently being BIGGER assholes but somehow not being called on it??

Assholes the size of Rancho Cucamonga

That sounds like a place where their biggest claim to fame would be something like "Hey, Dude" was shot there.

The MJF pickles are great so far. Going to drink the brine. Thats how great they are.

But also, I'm in the camp that says pickle juice is great post workout and a fantastic way to hydrate so its not like that would be an irregular thing for me.

Chug a bunch of pickle juice when you're drunk before you go to bed or when you don't and wake up the next moment with a hangover. You'll thank Drebin later.