The "rumor" is that the first DLC will drop pretty soon after launch and would be a tag team-laden expansion which I guess would include B&B, FTR, The Acclaimed, maybe the Dark Order etc depending on who was left out of the initial launch

If they really do this game as being a continuous 3-4 year project where they keep adding new wrestlers, modes, etc it could easily end up with 100+ by the time they're done. But of course, DLC will come at a cost so I'd have to see what they're charging. Invariably if you buy all the DLC put out at some point it'll equate to buying a whole new game, even if it's a couple of years down the road.

I despise DLC so much.... back in my day you just sold a complete game...

It depends. Sometimes you get a complete game, and then they add on to it. Witcher 3, Tekken 7, etc. Games that have a wealth of content at launch and add on what wasn't in the budget to be put in from the start.

But you've obviously got people abusing it and cutting content to sell it later and milk more profit. As well as all the aggregious micro transactions.

But it' s not an inherently bad system.

Unfortunately, given what they're charging for the game itself, I'm expecting any dlc to be overpriced.

And another thing, this is a positive. Hate when they overcomplicated things with every rassler having "stats" and "overall rankings" or whatever. I like being whoever I want and being able to do whatever to whoever. I remember back in the day with WCW/NWO one of the first things my friend and I did was have an "epic match" between Eric Bischoff and Sting. Probably with "rankings" or whatever in modern games it wouldn't have been as good.

Still remember the days of playing Here Comes the Pain with friends. We'd occasionaly have a divas battle royal, and my one friend would pick big show every time.

No, it’s not going to be a good thing. The execution for this stuff is going to be stiff as hell. You can tell by how Cassidy and Uno were playing it. This game gives the impression it should play like No Mercy, but is going to be impenetrable as hell.

Of course it’s a shame. It’s also a shame anyone could have seen a mile away. It’s not about me being the smartest person in existence — it’s about how wilfully ignorant people are when it comes to this company and its bullshit (still).

I don't know how many different ways I can say no one has said its going to be good. You're over here crucifying people just because they want to wait and see how it feels before they completely shit all over it.

This isn't about people being "willfully ignorant". It's about you not only wanting this game to fail, but salivating over the thought of it, because your hate boner for AEW has reached such a state of hardness, that it could pulverize diamonds into a fine mist.

You don’t get it Fignuts!!!

PICK A FUCKING SIDE COCK SUCKER!!! YOU’RE EITHER AEW IS THE FUCKING BEST, FUCK VINCE, TONY IS A GAME CHANGER LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOO or AEW IS THE DIRT WORST FUCK TK THE FUCKING COKE HEAD MAN CHILD.

You cannot be a pragmatist and take anything at its merit or criticise where it’s due.

So ALL that confidence WBD has in AEW led to ZERO extra days in the length of their TV Deal? Are we even sure at this point WBD is paying AEW anything for Collision? Maybe Tiny is paying them Shad's money :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And how many times do I have to say it would be lovely if it were good, but it’s obvious it’s not going to be. The “wait and see” method with this game, with this company, has expired.

“Great opportunity” is a euphemism for “we didn’t get what we wanted.”

By the way, Fignuts, I’ve totally gotten the “well actually” from quite a few people on here. I’m definitely going to wave my balls in their face when this is predictably the shits.

It is the same everytime with this company. Paid shills and idiotic fans hype everything up as "just wait, it is going to be amazing", and it inevitably is a major letdown compared to the hype machine.

It is exactly the same situation with the game. This has been hyped for years as this monumental game achievement. This is not going to be some cultural phenomenon that sells millions upon millions of copies. It is a niche game for a niche fanbase, and that would be fine if they haven't overplayed their hand hyping it up the entire time.

Not 2 weeks ago, WBD was going to announce a 5 year $1.2 Billion TV/Max streaming deal. Instead, it ended up being a 2 hour Saturday night show. If that doesn't stand out as the prime example, then yes that is 100% Willful Ignorance.

And I'm saying AEW has nothing to do with it. Everyone sees the same flags you do. No one is denying they exist. Not because they love aew, but because they love wrestling games. This could be a backyard wrestling game made by the krow in his basement and people would still be giving it the same chance they're giving Fight Forever.

The wrestling game landscape has been a barren wasteland for damn near two decades. You've had the choice of either WWE games which have been annually regurgitated mediocrity outside of the rare bright spot entry after fans complain enough, or Fire Pro, which as much as I love it, is an incredibly niche game that is absolutely not for everybody.

Wrestling game fans would be remiss to not give this game a chance and play it before summoning Kane to drag it into the depths of hell.

There might be a few of those on tpww, but I think most people here who watch aew get what enjoyment they can, and do criticize what they don't like. They may not criticize as much as you or I, but that doesn't make them shills.

If anyone did proclaim this game's critical and financial success at every turn, then by all means, teabag away.

The thing about fighting games is youve gotta feel them to know if its good. But it looks like its going to play like i want it to and if it does, even in a year as stacked as this in the genre, itll be my fighting game of the year.

Conceptually this is THE format for wrestling games. If its as responsive as it needs to be with a stable frame rate and good netcoding... we're off to the races.

But i have to have it in my hands to know that. Theres a lot about the game that concerns me. Namely that im reasonably sure they ran out of money a year ago and have limped to the finish line.

This leads me to believe its going to be a buggy mess than doesnt get post launch support. This will live and die on performance.

Gonna just have to wait and see on it. Might be a total mess at launch but if they can patch it up and turn it around maybe they'll save a little face. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

So I got tix to both Chicago shows with Punk *supposedly" coming back. Not sure what to expect from the crowd since this isn't the 7-year absence it was before. We've started and stopped Punk runs a couple of times in his AEW career so its not going to be as huge a pop as the First Dance. I don't even think they'll sell out TBH. They're calling it The Second Coming and I find it funny because they used Punk to launch Rampage and it immediately because an afterthought. Now they're using him to launch another show......

I'm a huge Punk mark but they need a long injury and drama free run from Punk here or whatever wind is left in those sails will be gone.

I understand that people want a good new wrestling game. I just don’t think this is it. If I’m right, that doesn’t make me the bad guy.

BRUH :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user...DRr2AAEgv4.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user...DRr2AAEgv5.jpg

Even better than the joke, Cultist got so mad they were harassing the Pub on yelp :rofl:
Gotta defend Tiny at all times lol

I wouldn’t have even known it was a joke. AEW’s not very far away from needing to pay people to go to some of their shows as they chew up markets.

The Double or Nothing card looks FUCKING TERRIBLE. It’s not even a case of a what would be a good card on paper in a wrestling promotion likely sucking because of AEW. It looks fucking ludicrous.

* Why is there a Battle Royal for the International Title? Why is there an International Title? Who gives a fuck?

* Why are The Hardy Boyz on TV in 2023? Why is Tony Khan putting Jeff in more positions to bump and turn back to substances? Fuck this. Remember when The Young Bucks “put over” Private Party? Fucking lol.

* They’ve already made people not care about Taya Valkyrie. Good job. :y:

* Toni Storm isn’t very good. People saw a pretty girl with a good ass in independent wrestling and willed her talent into existence.

* Why is Mark Briscoe refereeing a match? How are people supposed to care about FTR and Jeff Jarrett/Jay Lethal with the tag division in the shape it’s in? You put this on a TNA PPV in 2006 and people would have griped about it. Now AEW gets away with it.

* Adam Cole legitimately has me concerned about him. Something is not right there. He’s another guy getting a push that just isn’t working.

* Why is Wardlow in a Ladder Match? Why can’t this be straight singles? What a use of Christian Cage. This should be a house show circuit thing for Wardlow to help him learn. Christian could take the losses there and it wouldn’t matter.

* Anarchy in the Arena = bullshit. Who could care about these arbitrary factions?

* A four-way main event with two guys who maybe kinda belong.

*Farts in AEW’s direction*

In a just world, it would be MJF vs Darby, without the other two idiots.

Agreed. No interest in JB or Sammy in the main event.

Man, I don't block your posts. When I feel bad aboot myself....I just think about ya, Noid.

Pray for Noid

Droford sounding messages.. ahh

I dont mind JB in it which kind of then lends itself to having SG I guess. Its clear Darby and MJF are the top talents in that situation though.

Not a big Jungle Boy fan. Bores me.

It’ll never cease to amaze me that Noid says he hates AEW but can’t stop talking about it and spends much of his day here letting everybody know how he feels

Yeah....the 4 pillars thing is "meh". Feels like filler. I wouldn't have much interest in Darby / MJF as a main event at a ppv either though so six of one, half a dozen of the other for me.

Noise def a disgruntled AEW employee. Big Swole?

Noids Cornette for sure. I'm convinced a huge portion of the wrestling fandom hate TK gets is the fandoms general jealousy wishing they were in his shoes. Even the insiders, Cornette, Bischoff, Konnan etc who regularly take there shots would give there left arm to be in his shoes.

I don't mind the 4 pillars idea but were at a point where its 1A (MJF), 1B (Darby) and the other two just aren't on that level and it shows. It will be interesting to see if time levels the playing field a bit or not.

I feel like JB might get there, SG is just such a bad promo I don't know how he breaks through or why they keep giving him a live mic.

Nah man, TK is a weird, weird dude. The hugging thing, the stomping his feet in his promos, his output on twitter. Dude is a man-child.

I hate Mr. Nerfect:

* bad posts

*why does he post here every day for 4 years about this?

*keeps saying things that aren't true

* has personal preferences where he doesn't like wrestlers which are indisputable but why post about them?

* many critics of WWE had previously been devoted fans, so they'll have a lifelong connection to the product that draws them back to criticise it. Mr Nerfect has no such draw to AEW so why does it bother him so

* why does a wrestling company have a belt\? its so stupid

* I well understand what it's like to get stuck in a habit of terrible posting, but at some point you hope that you knock yourself out of that rut. Otherwise you can imagine the tragic case of Noid posting angrily on TPWW in 2050 about some wrestling organisation that doesn't exist and wrestlers who aren't born yet.

* misplaced concern troll nonsense. I really think Jeffrey Pouncer is not over with the fans. It is embarrassing. The FGWF loses money every time he stops in the rung

It’s funny you try to insult me (I think) by comparing me to critics, then go on to basically agree with the points the critics make.

Make that room for me in your head. You know AEW is hurting when the apologists spiral into “fuck you, mans.” I’m invested in wrestling. I post about it. A lot of people LOVE my posts. That you don’t is a defect you get to deal with. You can either ignore me, or make an actual fucking point.

This is where the cultists go. Weird attempts to attack your character because you don’t like their shitty wrestling promotion. I’m going to be extra honest about Double or Nothing now. ;)

Really sorry about that, please forgive me. I think I peppered lots of points into my post in a humorous stylee. Just like you made a joke when you said "mans", I don't get that joke but it's okay. I don't know if a lot of people love your posts because there isn't a lot of people on TPWW but never mind.

Why are you concerned for Adam Cole?

Oh, that was an attempt at humor? Ok.

Adam Cole doesn’t look well. At all.

I would say "in what way" but you've clarified that he doesn't look well at all so that would be in every aspect. Do you think we're looking at medical malpractice here perhaps?

I think we’re probably looking at a mental health thing that has spiralled into physical neglect. This is what working for AEW will do for ya.

I think of you when I look at this thread because you post in it a lot. In a way I suppose that does mean you're inside my head. But now I'm inside yours. Hee hee hee

Objectively cole looks like he has AIDS. Sickly looking guy

You’re really not. In fact, I’m going to put you on ignore right now. It’s not like the quality of the discussion will dip. Goodbye. Take better care of yourself than Adam Cole does.

I thought Adam Cole looked fine. Americans seem to get distressed when white people don't tan though.

It’s not just me that sees it then? I remember thinking he was quite a good looking guy in NXT. Now he looks like a meth head. He’s aged at least 10 years since being in AEW and letting himself go.

I think there's something wrong with him yeah.

CM Punk’s comments at the press conference were weird too. Way more than just a concussion going on. I don’t know if the guy got burnt out on wrestling with WWE and mentally flaked, or if everyone’s railing his wife and he doesn’t know how to go about it, or what have you.

ran out of adrenochrome

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That is what happens when you don't take your time, and you rush a video game out in 3 years!

Yikes

3 years is a lightning fast dev time so your sarcasm doesnt really work. Excluding iteratives the average for double A titles is 4 years with AAA titles at 5 years and projected to balloon to 7 years over the course of this genration.

Titles like Fifa, NBA 2k, Madden, etc arent new games every year. Theyre the same game tweaked slightly year after year. You're paying for a roster update and some gameplay tweaks. The core coding and underlying architecture is the same year over year. They arent starting from 0.

For instance if this managed to make enough to fund a 2024 update they could use that time, obviously, update the roster and continue to refine the core systems. Maybe add a match mode or two for the back the of the box marketing. But it would be the same game. It could be a million percent better in a years time but it would essentially be an alpha vs a beta build.

And make no mistake this could very easily be an alpha build sent to market a year early. That is my primary concern. The game needed a industry standard dev time and didnt have the funds to get it. That would essentially make this game the "go fund me" for the new AKI game we've been wanting for decades for.

Tl;dr you're really in the dark on this topic. Make fun of visuals, sure. Not a point of interest for me personally but im a guy who picked Triangle Strategy as my 2022 GotY. Visuals arent something that makes me open my wallet. Ultra low priority. Graphics fanboys are def going to have a good time at the all you can eat meme machine that this will offer. Dev times though? You might as well start talking about nuclear physics. You know as much about both topics.

#POTY

It seems like the opposite of what happened to Chris Hero in NXT. Instead of ballooning up and getting chunky, Adam has cut weight and gotten doughy.

I'm less of a stickler about the "tan" thing, because he's still a white guy to me at the end of the day unless you get to the point of leathering or spraying on way too much bronzer and it looks fucking stupid. But he looks like he said "fuck the gym" since he doesn't have to hit it super hard anymore without the WWE over his shoulder. And maybe he didn't. For all we know, he might be working out as much as he ever has... and that would make it a larger problem, since he shouldn't be losing mass and tone like that if he's grinding like that.

Hell, even when WALTER/GUNTHER first dropped weight, it didn't look quite right. He lost it relatively quickly, and even with it cut and being "in shape", it initially looked all gristly. Soon after, it started getting more proportional and less like his body was eating itself.

I know the criticisims seem hyperbolic, but there's something about Adam Cole's physique diminishment that doesn't seem natural. Almost like he's hiding an ailment he doesn't want to make public. And if that isn't the case, it's almost worse than if it were, because some sort of disease or ailment would at least be an excuse. If he isn't sick, then he just got lazy in a business where a big part of your image is how you look.

I wish i werr joking when i suggested AIDS but his weight loss, mass loss, and sunken features remind of a guy I knew. It happened super fast and left a skeleton looking human at a weirdly fast rate. At first i though he just got lazy but he's looking ill at this point.

Jesus guys… even on wrestling fandom scale that’s fucked.

I truly dont see how. Unless you're trying to put some social stigma onto a disease i guess. People get sick all the time. More common still if he was juicing when he was in nxt. The odds arent low. Its a real thing people contract. Its not overly fatal these days either. Lotta baggage left over from the 80s but people live super long and very normal lives with it in the modern era.

Pfffft

Sissies

So you are saying putting a game out in 3 years would be considered a... rush??

Kind of feel like that is exactly what I said.

Fucking losing it at jungle boy over here

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Jungle Boy and MJF both EERILY look like Kevin Dunn :rofl:

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except youve said several times in this thread that 3 years is a ridiculously long time. So either you were being facetious or you've abandoned any attempt to hide your lack of objectivity and are just openly dog piling from any angle you can must.


So take your pick, sarcasm or intellectually dishonst

My post was neither facetious or lacking objectivity, it was a sarcastic knock solely based on the graphics shown in the tweet which is what I replied to.

Your reply was a detailed rundown of development timeframes, during which you made the same point, that the graphics can be made fun of.

Since you took my initial sarcasm as a serious statement, and put together a solid response that 3 years is "lightning fast dev time", I then agreed with you that 3 years would be considered a "Rushed Release".

I found it a comical situation that while arguing against my sarcastic statement, you basically came to the same conclusion. That is not me being intellectually dishonest, that is you being heedless.

Noid likes to pretend to put people on ignore when they call out his objectively demonstrable lies because it leaves him in too tough of a spot to bullshit his way out of. Rogerer with the win. Congrats.

Come on now, that's a bit harsh. You should apologise to Sting Fan.

Maybe some people can live very normal lives but clearly not Adam Cole. I was going to watch Double or Nothing but now the thought is too upsetting.

Maybe Adam Code got sick from sharing needles with Triple H. Hunter ended up in hospital recently too, that means he was very ill. Then Adam's head got hurt because they don't train you with chairshots in the Perfomance Centre any more because that is against political correctness.

Conjecture around someone having any sort of disease based on them looking thin is pretty fucked.

Why does Jungle Boy look like he was possessed by SpongeBob SquarePants? And why does it look like Eddie's Character just gained sentience and is shocked by the abomination that he is.

I'd definitely rail his wife :naughty:

Lol graphics aren’t the be-all, end-all for me by any stretch but Kingston looks hilariously bad.

Brodie on the other hand looks fantastic. If I ever get the game I’m gonna throw the AEW title on him probably.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxK6fgcWIAAzoBO.jpg:large

Dunno man, facetious casts you in a better light than sarcastic.

Also, HOW FUCKING DARE YOU DESTOR!

This is Xrod we’re talking about! The last bastion of fair and objective thinking on AEW. Mr Good Faith himself.

This is libellous, sir.

Graphics have never been a big deal for me, especially in rasslin games, so these screenshots wouldn't deter me from getting the game.

But they do look atrocious lol

Adam Cole doesn’t just look thin. Something looks wrong. Like, my instincts to care for other people are triggered when I look at him. I’m glad some other people see it. Hope he’s ok.

This game’s development hasn’t gone to plan. The developers leaving, the roster being so out of date, the graphics being so shit. You can talk about the development cycles for better games all you want — I think everyone knows the plan was to have the game out by now. And it was Omega who told THQ Nordic to throw out their engine and start from scratch. He’s made unnecessary work for them from the beginning.

I’m telling you — this is going to play like shit too. It can emulate the controls and attempt No Mercy vibes all it wants. It’s going to be clunky and out of date. It won’t be able to capture the rush of the N64 games.

They’ve been very careful with what they’ve shown you. In that gameplay demo with Orange Cassidy and Evil Uno, you can tell how fiddly those controls are.

Just saw the gameplay demo the MJF and Jungle Boy grabs are from. Holy shit.

Not going to lie — it’s starting to get a “so bad it’s good” vibe. I want to see more lol.

Even the UI looks terrible lol.

Very glad that Abadon has made the final cut for this game. Very important to include her and Yuka Sakazaki.

I’m going to laugh my ass off if Frankie Kazarian ends up being in the game.

Or Big Swole.

What are the chances that there is no FTR but some of The Dark Order fucks are in?

Putting in Brodie Lee’s kid is something AEW would be out to lunch enough to do lol.

Come on, Bobby Fish

Dude these are just Legend characters like you get in the WWE games.

Just went to YouTube to see some clips... dunno... Adam Cole seems to look just like I remember he did....

?

Cole looks gaunt. Like his cheeks have sunken in. And he’s got these wrinkles on his forehead. There are shadows under his eyes.

People age and stuff. The guy is 33 years old. Tell me he doesn’t look 45 since he’s come back.

He looks “weathered.”

Nerfect has me on ignore so someone please quote my HHH theory for him

Probably because Christian Cage is HAVING SEX with his wife.

I'd need to see some before/after pics I guess but I don't actually care that much. He does look bad but to my memory he always looked bad.

I remember for like the first few months of NXT, every time I saw him I was "surprised" and took a moment to be like "Oh yeah, he's that small"