Nothing major and when they did have shows pulling in good numbers, not enough of them to put any real pressure on WWE. WWE still holds a big advantage of providing consistent 52-week shows per year compared to popular regular shows taking lengthy breaks in between seasons.

FOX is in a similar situation even though they also have a long time rep of not being shy when it comes to pulling the plug on under performing or expensive shows. The year before SD's arrival, FOX had a kids cooking contest show that was pulling in 3-4+ million weekly but only lasted for a few months at a time since it was seasonal.

There are also other factors besides ratings that contribute to both WWE's advantages and disadvantages with both networks.

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Nope. Not really. Then again, he never really got the chance to have one. Which is part of my overall point. We have no idea how he may have progressed if the machine actually got behind him and not one half-assed, late-to-the-party midcard title run or an angle where the payoff was to make him look like a complete asshole loser nobody should care about.

Remember, Vince is the same guy who even publicly admitted that he didn't see anything of value in one of his last great golden geese in John Cena. And if he decided to never pull that trigger, this conversation or some like it would likely be listing him as a failure of "all body, no substance". And even there, he didn't become the T-shirt moving company man overnight. It took YEARS and sustainability, not jobbing out in random matches on shows nobody watched once a month with him just walking by on someone else's backstage and spending the rest of his time going from city to city to be not booked.

Again, you personally didn't think much of Ryder. Fair enough. You look at him in nearly the same light I still see Keith Lee- whereas I can't deny the guy is over, but I personally still can only see him as one of the two schlub ex-football players as a tag team in ROH (the other guy was Shane Taylor, who's still there). He is a better talker than Shane, but just strikes me as a generic "big man" in a sea of "big men". I'm not creaming my pants over him. But he obviously has something I don't see, because he was getting reaction when crowds were real, and he seems like he should tick all the boxes for the Vinnie Mac approval checklist.

We don't know what could have been for Zack if he actually had gotten a fair shake while he was hot.

As for Fandango, I agree that was another dropped boat. Different way, though. Like, they seemed to think the whole reason he caught on was the dumbass song and not because he was talented. And even later when the Fashion Police started breathing new life into his and Tyler Breeze's careers, they got pushed to backstage segments (which were still getting huge pops), and then shuffled THAT off to "internet exclusive" territory. You basically had to go out of your way to watch one of the more talented and popular acts of the time. Almost as shameful as TNA's treatment of MCMG when they were the hottest tag team the company had in spite of barely being on TV.

Hopefully they ask why they still divide stables by race.

She's obviously going to have a bunch of speechwriters help her say absolutely nothing (which is smart, because at least she won't incriminate herself).

But I'm reallllllly hoping for a classic Stephanie blunder, like the time she equated 9/11 to the steroid trial.

If the McMahon family is as good at hiring speech writers and having self-awareness as they are at hiring wrestling writers and having self-awareness then I expect her to just walk up to the podium, say “nigger” 100 times in a row and then walk off stage thinking “That was such good shit”.

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Stephanie McMahon has single-handedly started the women's revolution, ended bullying, and now she's going to end systemic racism.

What a life.

gotta watch dat chronicle tho

Stephanie McMahon is so beautiful and powerful, she truly could end racism.

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Love how the giant black ninja makes an appearance for a week, does fuck all and has never been seen again.

The video package for her HOF induction will be something to behold.

Don't even remember that theme, must have been a memorable run. :wtf:

That was when he wore the plain white tights right?

That was his attire in No Mercy, but his theme and video were the "old" ones.

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Yeah when Trish was his manager. He was still mostly wearing the black and purple tights

It was his theme during his last IC title run. Right before he joined RTC.

That'll be on the NEW free version followed by RAW talk

I used to love Val Venis. Probably because I wanted an "other" so bad and I enjoyed his player/coach work in Sunday Night Heat more than Raw or SmackDown most weeks. And I remember reading an article that was right into that specific heel run where they pointed out he wasn't quite like the other Right to Censor members.

I think they could have pushed the Right to Censor out. In retrospect, it would have been nice to see the RTC make a Judgment Day PPV. But I do seem to remember people being ready for them to end at the time.

Bull Buchanan and D'Lo Brown were a tag team in All Japan for a while. They were part of a faction led by Taka Michinoku with Mike Awesome. Umaga, Rico Constantino and Justin Credible were also in there for a while. If they were around today, they'd probably be as over as The Bullet Club, haha.

Yeah Noid, we know you used to love Val Venis.

Can someone please quote Dale and my posts so they are visible to Noid?

Noid, we are aware of your creepy obsession with Val Venis.

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According to ESPN, current MLW Heavyweight champion Jacob Fatu is staying in MLW for the foreseeable future.

He recently signed a new deal with the company locking him up until 2025. Also his new deal has similar terms as other recent deals offered by MLW where talent are allowed to take outside bookings except if it involves WWE and AEW.

MLW managing to sign several new tv and distribution deals during this on-going coronavirus pandemic has been a huge blessing for them.

Jacob Fatu in the G-1 fucking do it you cowards

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JBL would be my pick because of how brutal his Clothesline from Hell looked at times but Stan Hansen also had some really good and brutal looking lariats.

If there is one thing I've liked about modern clotheslines/lariats is the little spin most guys do after taking it. Helps make the move look even more devastating.

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JBL hands down. Stan Hansen is in my top 5 favourites, but JBL had the best.

Never really liked JBL but this is a no brainer. JBL by a wide margin.

You also have to put Rick Steiner in there, somewhere.

I think JBL’s hits harder, but he also hits it very clean. I like Hansen’s more because he’s kinda sloppy which actually ends up making it look even more brutal.

Like there’s only so much you can protect someone when you’re blasting the ever living fuck out of them with a lariat, and I feel like JBL at least tries. Hansen can’t even see shit so he just swings for the fences.

You know who had an awesome clothesline: Hercules


I gotta find an example

Oh here we go, his match vs Foley. Around the 1:55 mark

One more at around the 2:10 mark. The whole match is great. PowerPlex baby!

Hercule's roid belly is out of control by the Power and Glory days.

They were a great team.

Xavier Woods' computer crashed during he and Tyler Breeze's Battle of the Brands SmackDown vs. Raw 2006 GM Mode livestream, completely wiping out all of the current roster CAWs he'd spent months creating and ranking up, as well as the GM Mode file itself.

Lol nerds