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Felipewcw 06-28-2007 02:27 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

Quote:

FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.


Is this along with the Wikipedia post 14 hours before the bodies were found offer the ray of light for the Benoit-Didn't-Do-It fans?

Man, if WWE could make storylines like these I know where I would be every Monday and Friday night.

RP 06-28-2007 02:32 PM

It was the Undertaker for sure.

Xero 06-28-2007 02:32 PM

Wow, two deaths in about two weeks both linked to Sullivan.

Probably just a coincidence.

Kris P Lettus 06-28-2007 02:33 PM

The Taskmaster

Theo Dious 06-28-2007 02:34 PM

Oh good Lord, this is getting out of hand. :nono:

RP 06-28-2007 02:44 PM

MOTHER FUCKING KEVIN SULLIVAN. HE FUCKING DID IT I KNOW IT!

RP 06-28-2007 02:45 PM

Kevin Sullivan showed up to the house and wrote the Benoit family into a storyline where he kills them all. Benoit, the pro's pro, didnt complain obviously.

Case closed. Someone go find the Taskmaster.

RP 06-28-2007 02:47 PM

This wikipedia thing is freaking me out. What are the odd that the IP was from Stamford,CT. If this is a work, i'll fucking riot.

D Mac 06-28-2007 02:49 PM

The butler did it.

DCXtreme 06-28-2007 03:13 PM

That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.

RGWhat316 06-28-2007 03:13 PM

This shit is just too out of control. Most everyone has been saying of how a monster did this sort of thing, but no one has ever believed that Chris could be that type of person. I'm not 100% against Benoit on this, and thinking there could be other situations involved. But damn, i've heard of reasons of how he didn't do it, and reasons why he did. So I really don't know what to think until everything is out in the open.

James Steele 06-28-2007 03:15 PM

Is this Wikipedia thing legit?

Theo Dious 06-28-2007 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCXtreme
That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.

Ok, now, when I first heard "family issues," I thought, "someone died."

Now, if I had known anything about his wife, I might have thought, "hm, his wife died."

Now, if I put those two things together, and were a complete asshole, I might decide to change Wikipedia in the spirit of assholiness.

So I can see it happening... but it's still creepy.

Alternatively:

"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because of a family emergency."
>>>
"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because someone at home was sick."
>>>
"Hey, Benoit missed a show because someone in his family died."
>>>
"Benoit missed a show because his wife died."
>>>
"Benoit's wife died? Wikipedia must know!"

Telephone game, y'know?

DCXtreme 06-28-2007 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarthTedious
Ok, now, when I first heard "family issues," I thought, "someone died."

Now, if I had known anything about his wife, I might have thought, "hm, his wife died."

Now, if I put those two things together, and were a complete asshole, I might decide to change Wikipedia in the spirit of assholiness.

So I can see it happening... but it's still creepy.

Alternatively:

"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because of a family emergency."
>>>
"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because someone at home was sick."
>>>
"Hey, Benoit missed a show because someone in his family died."
>>>
"Benoit missed a show because his wife died."
>>>
"Benoit's wife died? Wikipedia must know!"

Telephone game, y'know?

True, just really weird how it was from stanford. of all the places in the USA / World .. it would be interesting to see what other posts that IP address made.

Theo Dious 06-28-2007 03:30 PM

Very true

RGWhat316 06-28-2007 03:33 PM

There is one more article I found at pwheadlines.com that makes me think something else may have happened.

Bob Ryder at 1wrestling.com recently spoke with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit, there were apparently warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit. One person who wanted to remain nameless said:

"This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."

Arnold HamNegger 06-28-2007 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126
The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead.

The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment.

wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. The police department did not return calls for comment.

It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.

From PWInsider.

Holy shit.

I want to say that it was some false information (or Fox News is pulling this out of their ass), but the fact that it came from Stamford leads me to believe someone knew something was up.


Yeah, I was gonna post this! HOLY SHIT is right man!! This is just fucked up. I don't see how or why any of this happened, but I REALLY FAIL to see how making a Wikipedia update becomes first priority at WWE headquarters if someone indeed had the information.

Jordan 06-28-2007 03:52 PM

This Wikipedia thing needs to be investigated hardcore, this could mean that it wasn't a suicide at all.

Reavant 06-28-2007 04:28 PM

HOLY CRAP!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home
Thursday, June 28, 2007

By Blane Bachelor

E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
AP


Chris Benoit
An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment:

"Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something."

The posting apparently was made in reference to Benoit's scheduled appearance on Sunday night at an Extreme Championship Wrestling event in Texas.

An employee from Wikipedia.org told FOXNews.com that he called and left a message with investigative authorities in Fayetteville, Ga., at around 11 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, after the posting was brought to the attention of the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based Web site.

“I chat with other editors on IRC — Internet relay chat — and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning,” said Wikipedia.org volunteer coordinator Cary Bass. “I called and left a message with the police department.”

The computer-generated time and date stamp of the Benoit entry are listed as 4:01, 25 June 2007. Wikipedia.org lists its entries according to Universal Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time.

Further investigation, according to Wikipedia.com, shows that one hour after the first edit reversion, another anonymous edit by 125.63.148.173 using unwiredAustralia.com.au, a wireless Internet service provider, was made adding about the aforementioned personal issues: "which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife, Nancy."

That edit was reverted less than 20 minutes later, with the following comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The second edit was made by a computer in Australia from a wireless network, according to Wikipedia.org.

A message left by FOXNews.com with Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department was not immediately returned.

Investigators so far have ruled the Benoit killings as a double homicide-suicide.

Wikipedia.org claims to be one of the largest reference Web sites, and is written collaboratively by users from around the world. Approved users can make submissions and change entries that are posted on the site almost immediately. Bass said the site is constantly monitored to correct inaccuracies.

Bass said when there is a high-profile case, such as the Benoit killlings, Wikipedia.org limits postings to registered users, which is now indicated at the top of the Benoit entry. According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007.

In related news, FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Click here to read more about the death of Sherri Martel.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.

Felipewcw 06-28-2007 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGWhat316
He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them.

Even more evidence against <del>the butler</del> Kevin Sullivan! :eek:

Seriously though, even the split second thought that Benoit wasn't a baby eater made me feel a little bit better. :'(

Cactus Sid 06-28-2007 04:38 PM

I should point out that I've just read some of the stuff that the person at that IP address had put into wikipedia and it included stuff about Ron Artest being "a piece of shit nigger" and about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

Got this from here http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25190&p=1 worth having a peek

Loose Cannon 06-28-2007 04:39 PM

this is crazy. Is Fox news just making shit up now? They're good at that.

Felipewcw 06-28-2007 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cactus Sid
about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

:y: :y:

Loose Cannon 06-28-2007 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cactus Sid
I should point out that I've just read some of the stuff that the person at that IP address had put into wikipedia and it included stuff about Ron Artest being "a piece of shit nigger" and about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

Got this from here http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25190&p=1 worth having a peek

lol, wtf?

Xero 06-28-2007 04:41 PM

It almost seems like it was someone who was just fucking around and happened to be right. Either way he's in some deep shit.

Kris P Lettus 06-28-2007 04:45 PM

He was also right about Stacy Keibler...

Jordan 06-28-2007 04:49 PM

This is silly

James Steele 06-28-2007 05:02 PM

I knew RP had something to do with this.

#1-norm-fan 06-28-2007 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus
He was also right about Stacy Keibler...

:lol:

Yeah, being right once is a coincidence... twice makes you wonder...

RP 06-28-2007 05:47 PM

Fuck cunt..
Whip ass..
Ram said cock up said ass...


Yah that about sums it up

Disturbed316 06-28-2007 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cactus Sid
I should point out that I've just read some of the stuff that the person at that IP address had put into wikipedia and it included stuff about Ron Artest being "a piece of shit nigger" and about Stacy Keibler "People want to fuck her in her lovely cunt and whip her ass til the dawn of day. Many people fantasize about ramming their cocks up her asshole."

Got this from here http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25190&p=1 worth having a peek

lol I bet that was RVD.

This Benoit thing seems to be getting more and more strange by the day.

Skippord 06-28-2007 06:40 PM

To be honest he was right all three times

:shifty:

KingofOldSchool 06-28-2007 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCXtreme
That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.

But Rick Steiner was holding back Edge and Christian, not Chris Benoit. :shifty:

Blue Demon 06-28-2007 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder
It was the Undertaker for sure.

no...it's the Boogeyman...cuz he's coming to get us :roll:

#1-norm-fan 06-28-2007 07:56 PM

Don't know if anyone else watches the Pro Wrestling Report online but the new show is up. Obviously it's all about Benoit. Pretty good show.

http://pwrshow.com/TVshows.htm

ford fairlane 06-28-2007 08:02 PM

This whole thing gets stranger by the day,and to quote just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
As for the post on wiki i just don't believe in coincidence's

loopydate 06-28-2007 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoJabbaNoBogRoll
I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.

Absolutely agreed here, and not just because I'm a loyal subject in Jabba's court.

The circumstances are different (so before I get Jeritron telling me I'm a retard for equating this vicious psycho killer who deserves to rot in hell and never should have existed, hear me out), but this reminds me a lot of what Hollywood tried to do after 9/11.

Almost any major-studio release that was to come out in the last quarter of 2001 that was set in New York was delayed. The Spider-Man teaser trailer was removed from theaters so that they could remove a shot that had Spidey catching a helicopter in a web between the Towers.

What happened was horrific, and Chris Benoit's life will forever be tainted. However, we can't pretend he never existed. Chris Benoit was not an unperson. He was one of the biggest stars in the industry. Should he be glorified? Absolutely not! Remove his name from the DVD listings. Stop selling his merchandise.

But don't pretend that he never wrestled because of what happened. I can't imagine how much of an uproar if the NFL decided to just not acknowledge aspects of, say, the 1973 Pro Bowl. Yes, the man who won Player of the Game wound up murdering his wife and her lover, but the game still happened. Just like the Benoit/Michaels/HHH match at WrestleMania happened. As such, it needs to be included in any sort of "historical" reference to the event, including video releases.

This isn't about WWE making money off of the career of a murderer. This is basic common sense saying "Hey, let's not get any closer to being an Orwellian society than we already are."

Jeritron 06-28-2007 08:39 PM

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Splaya 06-28-2007 08:42 PM

Oh man, I will watch it to see Chris :(

Hired Hitman 06-28-2007 08:59 PM

I see a lot of people making judgments, I prefer to wait until all the evidence has been collected and assessed, don't underestimate the toxicology reports, they may contain valuable evidence.

Skippord 06-28-2007 10:02 PM

Jericho looked pissed off

mrslackalack 06-28-2007 10:28 PM

Jericho also informed Nancy on how WWE is 3 set up of 3 Brands RAW, Smackdown, ECW. lol He also confirmed Benoit was going to win the ECW title Sunday

mrslackalack 06-28-2007 10:29 PM

Jericho did seem mad that Benoit did it. He also mentioned how at WM 20 how his 1 and a half yr old son talked better than Daniel who was 4 at the time and he said Benoit never told no1 about Daniel having Fragile X

mrslackalack 06-28-2007 10:33 PM

WWE has removed everything from Benoit and Nancy off WWE 24/7

Arnold HamNegger 06-29-2007 01:42 AM

Oh man, they said that there was a little wrestler figurine of his Dad by Daniel near him in his bed. :'(


This whole situation is turning me into such an emo bitch. :nono:

Londoner 06-29-2007 03:55 AM

It just seems like someones made Benoit out to be a murderer to me, i can't see benoit doing this..or maybe i just don't want to.

chrisat928 06-29-2007 04:20 AM

Ok, they said he was found hanging from one of those weight machines that use the pullies and weight plates, right?

Those machines have a long grip bar, and a steel cable.

How did he hang himself from that? He weighed 235 lbs, or somewhere close to that, which means the weight would have to be at least double that to hold him up, right? So that would be at least 470 lbs. How would he be able to pull down the grip bar far enough, and hold long enough to wrap it around his neck? He should have a bruise on his body, and maybe his face, from where the grip bar snapped back and hit him as it jerked him up. Also brusing around his neck from the cord.

Londoner 06-29-2007 04:41 AM

^ Interesting..if thats the case then that is some evidence to work with that the killer(assuming its not benoit) must've missed.

DCXtreme 06-29-2007 06:30 AM

They prob got it wrong, he prob just detached the cable and tied it around a beam.

Blue Demon 06-29-2007 09:44 AM

What Exactly is a "Wrestling" Choke HOld? Part 1
By Hunter Golden, Wrestleview.com

Chris Benoit and his family are dead, but really, we’ve all lost our heads.

Mick Foley always said the real world was a lot faker than wrestling and I’ve got a feeling he’s right and almost to a scary degree. After all, Chris Benoit proved to be far more of a fraud as a man than he ever could have been as a wrestler.

Because of Benoit, the ‘sport’ of pro wrestling is in serious jeopardy. If anyone’s to ‘blame’ for anything, it’s the rabid wolverine, who in real life is more like the cowardly lion. So as angry as we wrestling fans may get about the media coverage and the absolute hack job on the WWE, you can rest the responsibility all at the feet of one man: Chris Benoit. His actions may sadly cost a lot more than just his family’s lives. Thanks to the guy who supposedly represented everything that pro wrestling was supposed to be about, we now have an utterly incompetent batch of boobs investigating a case that’s clearly above their mental acuity to solve and a media storm that may be enough to hurt WWE stock to the degree that wrestling could forever lose it’s foothold as an anchoring form of television entertainment.

That being said…

Because it seems that very few have any interest in sticking up for pro wrestling in any shape or form, I’d like to take the opportunity to speak my peace about the utterly appalling coverage on the part of the national news media regarding the whole Benoit ‘investigation’ and attempt #678,441,334 to rake pro wrestling over the coals on the part of the national news media. It’s high time other spineless, publicity loving wrestling reporters tried to do the same.

I’ve seen some pretty intense and wild media hack jobs in my time, but this one ladies and gentleman, may take the taco. The crappy investigating and shoddy reporting should be looked upon as almost as embarrassing as Chris Benoit’s actions. Really, this column is no more than a semi-organized rant, but someone’s got to at least ATTEMPT to defend pro wrestling in a semi-coherent manner.

Perhaps the most interesting claim on the part of the police and national news media is the claim that Chris Benoit killed his son with a ‘wrestling’ choke hold. Did I miss something? When did wrestling get credited with inventing the concept of choking a human being? What exactly is a ‘wrestling’ choke hold and how does it differ from a ‘real’ choke hold? How do the police break the angles down to determine that Benoit used a ‘wrestling’ choke hold on his son? Did they use a ruler to determine it? Wait, and isn’t wrestling NOT REAL? Like as in wrestling is fake, so the choke hold shouldn’t hurt as opposed to a real one (not wrestling) that does hurt? Are human beings that stupid these days?

Nearly as entertaining has been the re-emergence of Debra and Chyna. One woman’s claim to fame is her incredibly plastic boobies and the other’s perhaps best known for taking in the butt from X-Pac and snorting a ton of coke. Every circus side-show that’s got a grudge against Vince McMahon is coming out of the woodwork, but the media seems utterly disinterested in anyone who’d dare support the WWE, or pro wrestling in general. To the mainstream media, apparently nothing screams credibility like getting slammed in the butt by X-Pac.

You’d figure the media would be more cutting-edge and mod. After all, steroids are so 15 years ago. Why haven’t we heard about the piles of pain killers and anti-depressants taken out of Benoit’s house? Instead, we just hear about the anabolic steroids that were legally prescribed. Nothing pricks up ears like the word ‘steroids’.

The investigation, for the most part, has been pretty third rate, too. They’ve changed the timeline of events close to 10 times now and the more police investigate this case, the less they actually seem to know. First Nancy Benoit was left strangled in the middle of her television room floor, but now we’re hearing it was at the top of the stairs. First it was just strangulation but now we’re finding out her head was in a puddle of blood. The son went from being suffocated with a pillow to being killed in a ‘wrestling’ choke hold. Do these morons really know ANYTHING right now, much less enough to be talking to an utterly listless and brain dead media?

Perhaps what’s even more hilarious is a fundamentally irresponsible media and police force attempting to hold folks responsible for Benoit’s actions. If the WWE is to blame for any steroid use amongst its wrestlers, then shouldn’t Major League Baseball or The National Football League be held responsible for Barry Bonds’ steroid abuse? What constitutes an ‘active’ wrestler? And no, Meredith, Owen Hart didn’t die from a heart attack. He died from a stunt gone bad. You’d figure at least the ‘Today Show’ would take a swing at research.

All these questions that are just so easy to answer if the media would take the opportunity to listen for a change. Are steroids a problem in wrestling? Steroids are still prevalent in wrestling today. However, they’re not nearly as prevalent as they were 10 years ago because the demand for smaller, more athletic and durable wrestlers has done a lot to phase out most of the need for anabolic steroids. Pain killers are a huge problem. Depression is an even bigger problem. Want to know what happened to Chris Benoit? It might be advisable to start there.

And how about not releasing information until the autopsy results are in? It’s obvious the police really DON’T have much of an explanation for what happened. To anyone who knew the guy or closely followed his career, these guys would just be joining the club But what D.A. would let that get in the way of becoming a media star!?

People like Debra and Chyna get lots of airtime on mainstream news networks because they fit the perceived mold of what most pro wrestlers are, or in the media’s eyes, should be: Retarded, mostly made of plastic, and did I mention completely drugged up and, before I forget, retarded?

They also love to hammer Vince McMahon because of one reason: Money. Wrestling is almost always a sure fire way to make money and cultivate a stable viewing audience on any network. Pro Wrestling was one of the first stable broadcasts in TV history. It was cheap to produce and people watched it in droves. It literally kept the DuPont Network alive for five years. When people are watching wrestling, they’re not watching steaming piles of dog-____ like Nancy Grace, Geraldo Rivera, Al Franken or Bill O’Reilly. So the best thing to do is demonize wrestling and make people who watch it feel stupid for watching it. That way, they’ll come and watch them. Don’t ever expect the media to ever give McMahon a get out of jail free card based on money interests alone, Especially Ted Turner-owned CNN.

We get all of this insanity and more. All thanks to Chris Benoit. I’ll have more to say eventually, when I’m a little less ticked off.

NOTE: The views expressed in this column are not the views of WrestleView.com and its immediate staff.

source:http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1183089529.shtml

I think, although as he admits he's rambling a bit, he's kinda right.

Theo Dious 06-29-2007 09:57 AM

That was the greatest thing I've read all week. :y:

Arnold HamNegger 06-29-2007 10:49 AM

That's pretty solid. :y:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter Golden
The investigation, for the most part, has been pretty third rate, too. They’ve changed the timeline of events close to 10 times now and the more police investigate this case, the less they actually seem to know. First Nancy Benoit was left strangled in the middle of her television room floor, but now we’re hearing it was at the top of the stairs. First it was just strangulation but now we’re finding out her head was in a puddle of blood. The son went from being suffocated with a pillow to being killed in a ‘wrestling’ choke hold. Do these morons really know ANYTHING right now, much less enough to be talking to an utterly listless and brain dead media?

Yeah, this aspect is really ridiculous and makes everyone involved seem like Barney Fife. You'd think with a case this high profile and emotionally charged, they'd have their shit together alot more and at least be more cautious about what details are released. And let's face it, the one thing in this whole scenerio that SHOULD NOT CHANGE are the details of how the bodies were found. That is the only black/white issue involved in this. Everything else is speculation, but the speculation is born from what should be the never changing staples of information concerning the cold hard facts of what was found. For example, how the flying blue winged fuck can you shift from her body being found in the office floor to the top of the stairs? THESE FACTS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE UP FOR DEBATE!

This is real life, not some TV miniseries drama purposely drawn out with misinformation to create an increased public media buzz to your respective media outlet. Out of simple respect for the surviving family members, whose emotions are all ready in a hellish blender to begin with, GET YOUR INFORMATION STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT!

Tuesday - Thursday I have not gotten one consistent report from any of the various channels that have been reporting this story. Hell, Tuesday when I got home from work and turned on CNN, they were running at the bottom ticker that reports proved Daniel was killed Friday, Nancy on Saturday and Chris killed himself Sunday. That goes against every piece of information given out before then and even after then! SO HOW IN THE HELL WAS IT NOT SCREENED AND QUESTIONED BEFORE BEING PUT ON TV?!?! It's not like this is some podunk network, this is CNN we're talking about!

And don't even get me started on why I have to sit through 1-2 continues hours of Paris Hilton shit before I get a measely 3-5 minute blurb of information on this situation. Our society is severely going the direction of Hell's fiery overflowing commode if a spoiled brat bitch's interview and analysis of said interview with Larry King is dominating our media broadcasts!

Fucking ridiculous on so many levels. In an already confusing situation, we may never know any semblence of truth or explanation because of all this incompetence with the investigators and the media. The Benoit family seems doomed to forever be burried under a cloak of speculation.

NeanderCarl 06-29-2007 11:08 AM

Something really doesn't smell right about this whole thing, ya know... I'm not neccessarily saying he didn't do it - I'm not markish enough to paint Benoit the person with the same brush as Benoit the on-screen good guy character - but there seems to be a lot of confusion with this situation. Things are being covered up, others sensationalised... it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Theo Dious 06-29-2007 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
Something really doesn't smell right about this whole thing, ya know... there seems to be a lot of confusion with this situation. Things are being covered up, others sensationalised... it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

It makes perfect sense when you realize that that is the standard of reporting in the world today.

Londoner 06-29-2007 12:33 PM

Great article from that Hunter guy, he went Alienoid on their asses!

Corkscrewed 06-29-2007 02:46 PM

Wikipedia thing was just a coincidence

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/wre...rss_topstories

Benoit's dad hopes tests explain killings



ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit's father said Friday that he was eager to see whether chemical tests can help explain why Benoit killed his wife and son and committed suicide, acts that the wrestler's father said he had no clue were coming.


Michael Benoit said by phone from his home in Alberta, Canada, that his family is shocked and in disbelief over the slayings.


"We have no understanding of why it happened," he said. "We need some time to gather our thoughts and wait and see. There's still more information that's going to come out from toxicology tests that will give us some understanding of why this happened."


Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs played a role in the killings, which took place last weekend. Some experts believe steroids cause paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."


Chris Benoit strangled his wife and 7-year-old son, placing Bibles next to their bodies, before hanging himself on the cable of a weight-machine in his home, authorities said. No motive was offered for the killings.


Investigators had not discovered the bodies Monday when someone altered Benoit's Wikipedia entry to mention his wife's death, authorities said.
An anonymous user with the same IP address as the person who made the edits confessed early Friday on an online discussion page attached to the Web site, saying the changes were based on rumors and speculation, not hard evidence.


The authenticity of the posting could not immediately be confirmed.
"I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it," the user wrote.


According to Wikinews, an online news source connected to Wikipedia, the Internet protocol address of the individual is identical to that of the user who edited Benoit's profile early Monday morning. An IP address is a unique series of numbers carried by every machine connected to the Internet.
Benoit's page on Wikipedia, a reference site that allows users to add and edit information, was updated at 12:01 a.m. Monday, about 14 hours before authorities say the bodies were found. The reason he missed a match Saturday night was "stemming from the death of his wife Nancy," it said.
Wikipedia confirmed the authenticity of the time stamp and said the entry was made by someone using an IP address registered in Stamford, Connecticut, where World Wrestling Entertainment is based. The anonymous user acknowledged being from Stamford, but claimed no connection to WWE.


Wikipedia referred further questions to authorities investigating the deaths. Messages left for Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard were not immediately returned Friday.


WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt said that to his knowledge, no one at the WWE knew Nancy Benoit was dead before her body was found Monday afternoon. Text messages released by officials show that messages from Chris Benoit's cell phone were being sent to co-workers a few hours after the Wikipedia posting.


On Thursday, federal agents said they had raided the west Georgia office of a doctor who prescribed testosterone to Benoit, said agent Chuvalo Truesdell, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration. No arrests were made during the raid at Dr. Phil Astin's office late Wednesday into Thursday.


Hours before the raid, Astin told The Associated Press he had treated Benoit for low testosterone levels, which he said likely originated from steroid use.


Among other things, investigators were looking for Benoit's medical records to see whether he had been prescribed steroids and, if so, whether that prescription was appropriate, according to a law enforcement official speaking on condition of anonymity because records in the case remain sealed.


Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit, a longtime friend, in the past but would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed when Benoit visited his office June 22.


Michael Benoit, who lives near Edmonton in Ardrossan, said the test results, which could take several weeks to be completed, "could give us closure." He said his son had seemed fine when they spoke on Father's Day, and had even said he regretted having to work instead of spending the day with his family.


"That really wouldn't give you an indication of someone who would do what he did a week later," the father said.

Erebus 06-29-2007 03:13 PM

Dunno if anyone's seen this yet, or cares, but it was sent to me so I figured I'd pass it along.

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Skippord 06-29-2007 03:37 PM

He has a point :shifty:

Theo Dious 06-29-2007 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wikipedia Dumbass
I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case

The sad thing is, this could be said of MOST people who post to Wikipedia.

And I'm off for the weekend, bye all. :wave:

What Would Kevin Do? 06-29-2007 03:56 PM

You know, I don't want to stir shit where I have no real idea what I'm talking about, but one thing confuses me. Chavo has been to Benoit's home before. Johnny Ace is head of talent relations. Both should know his address... Why did Benoit text his address to them then?

Londoner 06-29-2007 04:05 PM

^ I also found that odd.

NeanderCarl 06-29-2007 04:56 PM

Vince did specify that it was a "new" home in his opening statement on Raw. Maybe they had only recently moved.

Also, how many times have you been to somebody's house without knowing the exact address? I could physically take you to many of my friends' houses, right to their doors, but if you asked me to actually write down their address I could maybe give you the street name, and nothing else.

Splaya 06-29-2007 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erebus
Dunno if anyone's seen this yet, or cares, but it was sent to me so I figured I'd pass it along.

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This combined with WWKD's response really makes me wonder

chrisat928 06-29-2007 05:52 PM

I had no idea Kevin Sullivan was a satanist.
He has a Where Are They Now profile on WWE,com, and they didn't mention it.

Splaya 06-29-2007 05:53 PM

I'm a huge believer that if the toxicology report comes back and steroids were not in his system (hard to believe I know) but I would take this as a possibility that Sullivan did this. I've read a lot of Hunter Golden's articles and whereas he does ramble, he is dead on.

And another thing. How come we have not heard about where Sullivan was when all this went on. I'm not trying to stir shit, I just don't think that the police have the right information about Sullivan and what his role in the past was with the Benoit's

Arnold HamNegger 06-29-2007 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisat928
I had no idea Kevin Sullivan was a satanist.
He has a Where Are They Now profile on WWE,com, and they didn't mention it.

Well, he actually was going to be the one that blew up Vince and the Satanist thing was gonna be part of the big announcement.

chrisat928 06-29-2007 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold HamNegger
Well, he actually was going to be the one that blew up Vince and the Satanist thing was gonna be part of the big announcement.

:?: :?: :?:

Arnold HamNegger 06-29-2007 06:37 PM

:shifty:

chrisat928 06-29-2007 06:39 PM

:rofl:

NeanderCarl 06-29-2007 06:49 PM

Sullivan had a satanist gimmick, he's not really a satanist.

And why would Sullivan, who is now (presumably happily) remarried, suddenly decide to take revenge against Benoit over a decade later?

Clutching at straws, people.

NeanderCarl 06-29-2007 06:51 PM

Although I have to laugh at the fact that some news sources are noting that both Nancy Benoit and Sensational Sherri died within a week of each other, and both apparently have past romantic links with Sullivan. He must feel like shit right now.

That, or he's sitting at home elated, wondering who he's going to exact revenge on next.

Watch out, Hogan!

ford fairlane 06-29-2007 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
Vince did specify that it was a "new" home in his opening statement on Raw. Maybe they had only recently moved.

Yet the press reported he moved there a year or so ago.

Quote:

NeanderCarl

And why would Sullivan, who is now (presumably happily) remarried, suddenly decide to take revenge against Benoit over a decade later?
Yeah because getting dumped by your wife for a workmate who then get married is something people get over everyday,not saying he did anything but that sort of pain and humiliation stays around for a long time.

RGWhat316 06-29-2007 07:40 PM

There is still just too much stuff that doesn't make sense. Somehow I keep holding out that Chris did not do all of this. I'm not trying to be too hopeful, but seeing as if no one knows of Chris to do something like this, and the facts that keep getting changed, I just don't know. It's a possibility.

NeanderCarl 06-29-2007 07:47 PM

Well... I can't see Chris Benoit being a murder victim... it would take a lot to restrain a guy like him in order to imply a suicide.

The only slight off-chance is that Nancy and Daniel's deaths were not his doing, and he killed himself upon finding them dead. That is a hugely unlikely scenario, and what's more, if that was the case, surely he would leave a note of explanation or something to confirm his innocence before killing himself. Stands to reason.

ford fairlane 06-29-2007 07:57 PM

Who is to say he didnt leave a note??
reading almost everything on the web,from here to wwe and other wrestling sites to press sites,as im sure a lot of us has been doing since this happened.

Can anyone please tell me a timeline and list of events that actually make sense on planet earth.

G 06-29-2007 08:12 PM

yeah i'm not going to bother reading this whole thread, but did vince say anything about this on tv. like, did this pretty much ruin his own death work.

NeanderCarl 06-29-2007 08:16 PM

Yes, he did. And, by the look of it, the "Vince is Dead" angle is well and truly off.

Interesting to see whether they will drop it entirely as if it never happened, leave Vince off TV for several months and pick it back up down the line when the storm has blown over, continue it but without the veiled references to Vinnie Mac "presumably" being dead, or rush the conclusion as soon as possible (again, I assume, with the "death" element removed in the interests of taste).

One option I left out was "continue the storyline, as if nothing had happened"... surely they wouldn't do that... would they??

IC Champion 06-29-2007 08:25 PM

LOL, at someone thinking Sullivan is an actual Satanist.

mrslackalack 06-29-2007 10:18 PM

Jericho is now on Fox News.

mrslackalack 06-29-2007 10:18 PM

I think he texted the address to the guys because he wanted the bodies to be found ASAP

IC Champion 06-29-2007 11:59 PM

Besides, if it was Kevin Sullivan, he would have been hung from the Tree of Woes and not a weight machine......

94 SVT Cobra 06-30-2007 01:07 AM

supposedly sullivan is really a high ranking member of the church of satan...kinda fucked up if its true which i doubt it is.


Also, i totally spaced out Mike awsome killed himself a while ago, sorry to all for making that thread. I really just thought he did it recently, this is why drugs are bad. sorry again.

Skippord 06-30-2007 02:03 AM

I still bet that there is a note somewhere in those Bibles

Arnold HamNegger 06-30-2007 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord
I still bet that there is a note somewhere in those Bibles

Yeah and I'm pretty sure it says, "Thou shall not kill."

Arnold HamNegger 06-30-2007 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Instant Classic
LOL, at someone thinking Sullivan is an actual Satanist.

That would make the investigation pretty easy. Just see if there are burn marks on his hands from the Bibles.

Skippord 06-30-2007 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold HamNegger
Yeah and I'm pretty sure it says, "Thou shall not kill."

I thought it was Thou shall kill" ....wait maybe Benoit read it all wrong and thought god was telling him something

Arnold HamNegger 06-30-2007 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord
I thought it was Thou shall kill" ....wait maybe Benoit read it all wrong and thought god was telling him something

"Thou shall crossface thy enemy and deliver a flying headbutt off thy holy stairs."

DCXtreme 06-30-2007 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
Well... I can't see Chris Benoit being a murder victim... it would take a lot to restrain a guy like him in order to imply a suicide.

The only slight off-chance is that Nancy and Daniel's deaths were not his doing, and he killed himself upon finding them dead. That is a hugely unlikely scenario, and what's more, if that was the case, surely he would leave a note of explanation or something to confirm his innocence before killing himself. Stands to reason.

Its 100% unlikely because he said to chavo / a co-worker that nancy was in hospital when he never called 911, and she NEVER was admitted to a hospital.

Arnold HamNegger 06-30-2007 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCXtreme
Its 100% unlikely because he said to chavo / a co-worker that nancy was in hospital when he never called 911, and she NEVER was admitted to a hospital.

Have you ever tried calling 911? They could have died while he was waiting for a response. Maybe after waiting on hold for 2 days straight, Benoit became delirious and sent 5 text messages with his address to the wrong people.

(After 48 hours on hold, Benoit grabs Nancy's phone and dials 911.)

Operator: "Hello, 911."

Benoit: "Yes, my address is...."

Operator: "Sorry sir, but we already have you on hold."

(Click)

Benoit: " DAMNIT!!!!" :foc:

DCXtreme 06-30-2007 04:45 AM

Nope, cus i live in the uK :)

apokalypse7 06-30-2007 09:19 AM

I originally wanted to reserve comments until all of the facts were out, but I don't think that I can stand it anymore.

So what do we know for sure? three people are dead. it's tragic. One current Actor, one former actor, and their child. I'd like the toxicology report to come out, and I'd like the authorities to release more information. That wiki poster BS is throwing everyone off. Until more comes out, I will not officially say that benoit is an asshole or a victim. he's just dead. I am christian, and i do believe in judgement, so i'll take solace in the fact that the higher power that i believe in will make benoit tap if he did this shit.
(that's a funny visual!!!)

On the other hand, let's not make this muthafucker our Wrestling Elvis (or Tupac for my brothas)! He busted chops in the ring, period. I respect that. That's all I knew of him. that's all YOU knew of him. Let that be enough.
No more conspiricay theories, no more Satanist stuff. It's not even our place to judge! Good night,
I'll sit back and await my neg reps....

addy2hotty 06-30-2007 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apokalypse7
I originally wanted to reserve comments until all of the facts were out, but I don't think that I can stand it anymore.

So what do we know for sure? three people are dead. it's tragic. One current Actor, one former actor, and their child. I'd like the toxicology report to come out, and I'd like the authorities to release more information. That wiki poster BS is throwing everyone off. Until more comes out, I will not officially say that benoit is an asshole or a victim. he's just dead. I am christian, and i do believe in judgement, so i'll take solace in the fact that the higher power that i believe in will make benoit tap if he did this shit.
(that's a funny visual!!!)

On the other hand, let's not make this muthafucker our Wrestling Elvis (or Tupac for my brothas)! He busted chops in the ring, period. I respect that. That's all I knew of him. that's all YOU knew of him. Let that be enough.
No more conspiricay theories, no more Satanist stuff. It's not even our place to judge! Good night,
I'll sit back and await my neg reps....

Your whole post judges him, you absolute cretin.

You won't officially (Im sure the world is hanging on your official word) call him an 'asshole' but 'muthafucker' is ok?

I won't even get started on Tupac. :nono:

KingofOldSchool 06-30-2007 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold HamNegger
Have you ever tried calling 911? They could have died while he was waiting for a response. Maybe after waiting on hold for 2 days straight, Benoit became delirious and sent 5 text messages with his address to the wrong people.

(After 48 hours on hold, Benoit grabs Nancy's phone and dials 911.)

Operator: "Hello, 911."

Benoit: "Yes, my address is...."

Operator: "Sorry sir, but we already have you on hold."

(Click)

Benoit: " DAMNIT!!!!" :foc:

*Benoit calls 911*

Operater: "911, what's your emergency."

Benoit: "My wife and kid is de.."

Operator: "I'm sorry sir please hold on for a minute, we're taking these calls in order of importance."

Benoit: "But my wife and kid are DEAD!"

Operator: "You're not Paris Hilton are you?"

Benoit: "What the hell?!?! My name is Chris Benoit."

Operator: "Who?"

Benoit: "I'm a wrestler fo..."

Operator: "I'm sorry Mr. Beknot, we're dealing with a major emergency right now. Paris Hilton just called us saying that she wrecked her car and broke her nail in three places. We have to tend to her first."

*Operator hangs up*

*Benoit hangs himself*

RP 06-30-2007 10:10 AM

"Benoit left the WCW to go to work for the WWE which was then known as the WWF. It is a fact that Sullivan threatened Benoit and told him he would kill him. Yes, that was 10 years ago, but Kevin Sullivan is no dummy. He is known for being a calculating, cold-hearted individual. Today, according to a source close to me, Kevin Sullivan is a high ranking member of the Satanic Church. The police need to consider the possibility that Sullivan carried out these gruesome murders in order to have his revenge, which is what Satanists live for. He could have entered the home, with an accomplice or accomplices and held the Benoit’s at gunpoint, Sullivan could have then bound up Nancy, and made Benoit and his son watch as he strangled the life out of her. Then the next day after making Benoit and his son spend the day in agony, murdered Benoit’s little boy because of his hatred for the offspring of Benoit and Nancy. Then he could have made Benoit wait an entire day before killing him and made him watch the Vengence PPV. After sitting through that 3 hrours of torture, Benoit probably went and killed himself by hanging himself in the basement."

apokalypse7 06-30-2007 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by addy2hotty
Your whole post judges him, you absolute cretin.

You won't officially (Im sure the world is hanging on your official word) call him an 'asshole' but 'muthafucker' is ok?

I won't even get started on Tupac. :nono:


I call everybody a muthafucker, he had a kid didn't he? the kid had a mother?

Mother fucker! see. if you're heterosexual, you're a muthafucker. think about it.

I personally loved to watch benoit work. I loved him as one of the only good horsemen that was added on. I loved how he pulled three and four star matches out of jobbers. I loved how he was making MVP, my mark out choice, look like a real MVP. While I respect benoit's body of work, I don't know if he went on a killing rampage. That isn't for me to judge, once again.

apokalypse7 06-30-2007 10:55 AM

And no, I'm not anyone important. I'm no authority. I am not a big deal on this site. We have the likes of FunkyFly, BDC, KK, and KOOS that ME this spot (that really isn't sarcasism). I was just adding the simple point that none of us are up to date with credible facts. and the vast majority of the posts are peppered with "could've, if, maybe" and other speculative words.

I guess opinions really are like assholes.... Eh addy? you opinon!:wave:

St. Jimmy 06-30-2007 11:56 AM

The only thing I'm wondering now is why did Beniot have to do this, and Hogan couldn't.

:D

apokalypse7 06-30-2007 12:20 PM

FINALLY!!!! that is a question we should all be asking. THAT would be a hell of a finale for Hogan Knows Best!

I Love Alexandria 06-30-2007 02:56 PM

Didn't Chavo say in his video he spent the last night with Chris? So why isn't that being looked into or wouldn't he have known that the wife and son were dead?

The Naitch 06-30-2007 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder
"Benoit left the WCW to go to work for the WWE which was then known as the WWF. It is a fact that Sullivan threatened Benoit and told him he would kill him. Yes, that was 10 years ago, but Kevin Sullivan is no dummy. He is known for being a calculating, cold-hearted individual. Today, according to a source close to me, Kevin Sullivan is a high ranking member of the Satanic Church. The police need to consider the possibility that Sullivan carried out these gruesome murders in order to have his revenge, which is what Satanists live for. He could have entered the home, with an accomplice or accomplices and held the Benoit’s at gunpoint, Sullivan could have then bound up Nancy, and made Benoit and his son watch as he strangled the life out of her. Then the next day after making Benoit and his son spend the day in agony, murdered Benoit’s little boy because of his hatred for the offspring of Benoit and Nancy. Then he could have made Benoit wait an entire day before killing him and made him watch the Vengence PPV. After sitting through that 3 hrours of torture, Benoit probably went and killed himself by hanging himself in the basement."


wtf RP, I don't even know if you were serious there or not


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