If punk is off a few weeks youd have firms data as to what his role is in the draw.

I def think there would be a hit but i dont think it would be cataclysmic. Nothing a marquee match couldn't replicate. Punk isnt without a fandom. That said i dont think its so large it justifies all the damage he does to the image of the brand as a whole or the negative impact he has on the careers of every worker who doesnt capitulate to his totalitarian locker room antics.

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As previously stated - they were fine before and they'll be fine now.

That’s not necessarily how it works.

Nah, Destor is spot on.

Punk doesn’t damage the image of the brand. He pulled them up. You can’t claim him having no credibility through UFC and then have a roster full of guys who look non-athletic and can’t throw a working punch.

Destor’s likely right in a general sense, but Punk obviously helped to a depth that WBD specifically wanted him around. The way internet fans interpret ratings isn’t anywhere near reflective of the true value some people have. Plus, people have now had a more sensible product with a star dangled in front of them. I was willing to give Collision a chance, for example. Now? Fuck em.

Initially, of course he brought their image up, no one is denying that my dude. His unprofessional attitude and tantrums ruined him. He did it to himself. Even if the Bucks BUSTED into the room, it isn't hard to be a professional. To each their own. CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is, but he's simply too selfish.



Taking it from an extremely casual fan's perspective (meaning no rumors//sheets//etc - strictly on-screen crap):




It took everything away from their event, which is sad. Most people wouldn't even know the story when TK announced the termination. I fail to understand how any employee at any business//org causing this type of stir is a good thing. It isn't.



There's been zero impressive anything from CM Punk "On TV". Couple sloppy matches, injury, complaining, another couple sloppy matches, bye bye.




I don't know (or care) about ratings in the least, and honestly, no one on this board does. Everyone just parrots the alleged "insiders" and/or pick sides.

Perfectly encapsulates it all tbh.

Danielson was once my favorite wrestler. It pains me to say it, but the guy has fallen so hard. I think everyone wishes him the best and “respects” him in a general sense, but I don’t think there is any particular envy to be what he is. Maybe what he once was?

This is just a really bad take overall.

it isn't wrong tho. just looking at things from your "casual fan's" perspective of the on-screen product.


Danielson has a better mind than Punk, an it isn't even close. If he hadn't gone to AEW, youd still be stroking his balls

Nah, he doesn’t. At his peak, I may have preferred Danielson. But his ideas don’t stick and lack structure. And he’s too much Mick Foley and willing to put over Val Venis and Al Snow.

They'll be fine and it kills you.

I mean if you’re going to me criticised for something maybe being too selfless is one of the better things…

Not when you're in AEW pal!


Get with it!

It depends if it actually helps people or it’s too their detriment. We’re not talking about a guy feeding the starving orphans of the world here. It’s more that the guy doesn’t give a fuck about the overall quality of the product and just wants to go out and do whatever. It lacks substance.

887k for Dynamite

RIP

Does AEW pull a profit?

No one is sure for certain, but you’d think if they did, it’d be shouted from the rooftops. All their bragging is about individual gates. Tony isn’t out there talking about how profitable All In was, just that it was an $8 million gate or whatever.

They are not, it is not possible. How much did Tiny JUST spend on Metallica, Queen, and Europe songs? He doesn't just license the song for a one time use, he buys it in perpetuity for any and all replays. We already know Final Countdown is obscenely expensive. Metallica is the same deal. I don't know about Queen but I would imagine they aren't cheap either.

Whatever they took in from the gates of those 2 shows, when they are paying maybe 20% of the gates just to license songs, they are not fiscally sound.

They also sank the equivalent of a lot of countries’ GDPs into that video game.

It’ll be interesting to see the ratings for next week. Becky Lynch is going to NXT to challenge for their Women’s Title and it’s seemingly created quite a stir.

I blame Nia Jax


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raw did 1.35 million/0.40. We all know why given the NFL number.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1701708396167360614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WWE spends a year rehabbing Rhea's character under the leadership of Triple H.

Reports coming out that with the merger being completed Vince is more involved.

Vince immediately brings back and books Nia Jax to dominate Rhea and Raquel.

:?::n::fu:

That is an abysmal number.

NXT about to do better numbers than Dynamite AND Raw.

It's time for TKO to wake up. They claim that they would have no problem having Smackdown on any other night even though the title is "Friday Night Smackdown". I think it's time for them to also see that Raw is dying on Monday Nights and get it off that night too.

I would flip NXT and Raw. Raw would benefit from being on a different night, and most people won't care when NXT is on.

NXT just did 850k

Dynamite might be in trouble this week

Damn, that’s basically a draw any way you cut it. It’s unlikely Dynamite does much better or that much worse.

888k for Dynamite. :lol:

855k for Dynamite.

800k

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> garnered its second-lowest audience of the year for Wednesday's show, although the P18-49 rating stayed even from last week.<br><br>Dynamite averaged 800K viewers (-6% from last week) with a 0.28 P18-49 rating (even), per <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleNomics</a>. It was the least-watched episode… <a href="https://t.co/i8XB9BByvx">pic.twitter.com/i8XB9BByvx</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@TheRajGiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRajGiri/status/1710027783450312938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So this is what happens when your new Fedtoy's debut doesn't draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don't miss the west coast feed of Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> coming up on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> West<br>+ <br>Remember <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> is on Tuesday next week 10/10 (my birthday), and it's the best card on Dynamite EVER for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TitleTuesday?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TitleTuesday</a>!<br><br>See you later tonight on TBS West, + next Tuesday on TBS!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1709757456229044499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Holy shit. I figured they'd get a bump from Edge and they went down. Wow.

Hey Xrod, guess what? 857k for NXT.

Watch next week head to head NXT beats Dynamite with the debut of CM Phil. Tiny will not take that shit anymore, his daddy has way more money than David Crockett's daddy :mad::mad::mad::mad:

It’s almost like the debut wasn’t good.

It should be noted that Collision’s ratings are sinking. 327k this past week. The show dropped about 100k in viewers over the course of the show. Lots of excuses made about WWE competing against them (with NXT) but I’m not sure that explains people choosing to watch Collision then tune out. That seems like a quality of the show issue.

Lol. ratings don't matter as long as they get the demo rating people like us.

You know.. us that apologize to our clothing that we fell asleep and forgot to move them from the washer to the dryer...3 days sooner.