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Destor 09-02-2023 03:16 AM

If punk is off a few weeks youd have firms data as to what his role is in the draw.

Destor 09-02-2023 03:20 AM

I def think there would be a hit but i dont think it would be cataclysmic. Nothing a marquee match couldn't replicate. Punk isnt without a fandom. That said i dont think its so large it justifies all the damage he does to the image of the brand as a whole or the negative impact he has on the careers of every worker who doesnt capitulate to his totalitarian locker room antics.

drave 09-05-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5627813)
I def think there would be a hit but i dont think it would be cataclysmic. Nothing a marquee match couldn't replicate. Punk isnt without a fandom. That said i dont think its so large it justifies all the damage he does to the image of the brand as a whole or the negative impact he has on the careers of every worker who doesnt capitulate to his totalitarian locker room antics.




^


As previously stated - they were fine before and they'll be fine now.

Mr. Nerfect 09-06-2023 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5628637)
^


As previously stated - they were fine before and they'll be fine now.

That’s not necessarily how it works.

drave 09-06-2023 10:22 AM

Nah, Destor is spot on.

Mr. Nerfect 09-06-2023 02:32 PM

Punk doesn’t damage the image of the brand. He pulled them up. You can’t claim him having no credibility through UFC and then have a roster full of guys who look non-athletic and can’t throw a working punch.

Destor’s likely right in a general sense, but Punk obviously helped to a depth that WBD specifically wanted him around. The way internet fans interpret ratings isn’t anywhere near reflective of the true value some people have. Plus, people have now had a more sensible product with a star dangled in front of them. I was willing to give Collision a chance, for example. Now? Fuck em.

drave 09-06-2023 03:27 PM

Initially, of course he brought their image up, no one is denying that my dude. His unprofessional attitude and tantrums ruined him. He did it to himself. Even if the Bucks BUSTED into the room, it isn't hard to be a professional. To each their own. CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is, but he's simply too selfish.



Taking it from an extremely casual fan's perspective (meaning no rumors//sheets//etc - strictly on-screen crap):




It took everything away from their event, which is sad. Most people wouldn't even know the story when TK announced the termination. I fail to understand how any employee at any business//org causing this type of stir is a good thing. It isn't.



There's been zero impressive anything from CM Punk "On TV". Couple sloppy matches, injury, complaining, another couple sloppy matches, bye bye.




I don't know (or care) about ratings in the least, and honestly, no one on this board does. Everyone just parrots the alleged "insiders" and/or pick sides.

Sting Fan 09-06-2023 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5628810)
CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is,

Perfectly encapsulates it all tbh.

Mr. Nerfect 09-06-2023 04:17 PM

Danielson was once my favorite wrestler. It pains me to say it, but the guy has fallen so hard. I think everyone wishes him the best and “respects” him in a general sense, but I don’t think there is any particular envy to be what he is. Maybe what he once was?

Mr. Nerfect 09-06-2023 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drave (Post 5628810)
Initially, of course he brought their image up, no one is denying that my dude. His unprofessional attitude and tantrums ruined him. He did it to himself. Even if the Bucks BUSTED into the room, it isn't hard to be a professional. To each their own. CM Punk aspires to be who Bryan Danielson is, but he's simply too selfish.



Taking it from an extremely casual fan's perspective (meaning no rumors//sheets//etc - strictly on-screen crap):




It took everything away from their event, which is sad. Most people wouldn't even know the story when TK announced the termination. I fail to understand how any employee at any business//org causing this type of stir is a good thing. It isn't.



There's been zero impressive anything from CM Punk "On TV". Couple sloppy matches, injury, complaining, another couple sloppy matches, bye bye.




I don't know (or care) about ratings in the least, and honestly, no one on this board does. Everyone just parrots the alleged "insiders" and/or pick sides.

This is just a really bad take overall.

drave 09-07-2023 08:45 AM

it isn't wrong tho. just looking at things from your "casual fan's" perspective of the on-screen product.


Danielson has a better mind than Punk, an it isn't even close. If he hadn't gone to AEW, youd still be stroking his balls

Mr. Nerfect 09-07-2023 01:11 PM

Nah, he doesn’t. At his peak, I may have preferred Danielson. But his ideas don’t stick and lack structure. And he’s too much Mick Foley and willing to put over Val Venis and Al Snow.

drave 09-07-2023 01:48 PM

They'll be fine and it kills you.

XL 09-07-2023 02:03 PM

I mean if you’re going to me criticised for something maybe being too selfless is one of the better things…

drave 09-07-2023 02:13 PM

Not when you're in AEW pal!


Get with it!

Mr. Nerfect 09-07-2023 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5629019)
I mean if you’re going to me criticised for something maybe being too selfless is one of the better things…

It depends if it actually helps people or it’s too their detriment. We’re not talking about a guy feeding the starving orphans of the world here. It’s more that the guy doesn’t give a fuck about the overall quality of the product and just wants to go out and do whatever. It lacks substance.

Mr. Nerfect 09-08-2023 02:33 AM

887k for Dynamite

drave 09-08-2023 08:23 AM

RIP

Ruien 09-08-2023 06:18 PM

Does AEW pull a profit?

Mr. Nerfect 09-08-2023 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5629227)
Does AEW pull a profit?

No one is sure for certain, but you’d think if they did, it’d be shouted from the rooftops. All their bragging is about individual gates. Tony isn’t out there talking about how profitable All In was, just that it was an $8 million gate or whatever.

xrodmuc316 09-08-2023 10:44 PM

They are not, it is not possible. How much did Tiny JUST spend on Metallica, Queen, and Europe songs? He doesn't just license the song for a one time use, he buys it in perpetuity for any and all replays. We already know Final Countdown is obscenely expensive. Metallica is the same deal. I don't know about Queen but I would imagine they aren't cheap either.

Whatever they took in from the gates of those 2 shows, when they are paying maybe 20% of the gates just to license songs, they are not fiscally sound.

Mr. Nerfect 09-09-2023 04:46 AM

They also sank the equivalent of a lot of countries’ GDPs into that video game.

Mr. Nerfect 09-09-2023 06:32 PM

It’ll be interesting to see the ratings for next week. Becky Lynch is going to NXT to challenge for their Women’s Title and it’s seemingly created quite a stir.

slik 09-12-2023 05:34 PM

I blame Nia Jax


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raw did 1.35 million/0.40. We all know why given the NFL number.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1701708396167360614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 09-12-2023 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by slik (Post 5629676)
I blame Nia Jax


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Raw did 1.35 million/0.40. We all know why given the NFL number.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1701708396167360614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WWE spends a year rehabbing Rhea's character under the leadership of Triple H.

Reports coming out that with the merger being completed Vince is more involved.

Vince immediately brings back and books Nia Jax to dominate Rhea and Raquel.

:?::n::fu:

Mr. Nerfect 09-13-2023 02:13 AM

That is an abysmal number.

Mr. Nerfect 09-13-2023 02:16 AM

NXT about to do better numbers than Dynamite AND Raw.

Splaya 09-13-2023 02:00 PM

It's time for TKO to wake up. They claim that they would have no problem having Smackdown on any other night even though the title is "Friday Night Smackdown". I think it's time for them to also see that Raw is dying on Monday Nights and get it off that night too.

I would flip NXT and Raw. Raw would benefit from being on a different night, and most people won't care when NXT is on.

xrodmuc316 09-13-2023 05:45 PM

NXT just did 850k

Dynamite might be in trouble this week

Mr. Nerfect 09-14-2023 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5629850)
NXT just did 850k

Dynamite might be in trouble this week

Damn, that’s basically a draw any way you cut it. It’s unlikely Dynamite does much better or that much worse.

Mr. Nerfect 09-14-2023 09:15 PM

888k for Dynamite. :lol:

Mr. Nerfect 09-29-2023 04:38 AM

855k for Dynamite.

xrodmuc316 10-05-2023 04:36 PM

800k

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> garnered its second-lowest audience of the year for Wednesday's show, although the P18-49 rating stayed even from last week.<br><br>Dynamite averaged 800K viewers (-6% from last week) with a 0.28 P18-49 rating (even), per <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleNomics</a>. It was the least-watched episode… <a href="https://t.co/i8XB9BByvx">pic.twitter.com/i8XB9BByvx</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@TheRajGiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRajGiri/status/1710027783450312938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So this is what happens when your new Fedtoy's debut doesn't draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don't miss the west coast feed of Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> coming up on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> West<br>+ <br>Remember <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> is on Tuesday next week 10/10 (my birthday), and it's the best card on Dynamite EVER for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TitleTuesday?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TitleTuesday</a>!<br><br>See you later tonight on TBS West, + next Tuesday on TBS!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1709757456229044499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Quote:

IT'S THE BEST DYNAMITE CARD EVER!!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!!!!!!!

Sepholio 10-05-2023 05:02 PM

Holy shit. I figured they'd get a bump from Edge and they went down. Wow.

Sepholio 10-05-2023 05:31 PM

Hey Xrod, guess what? 857k for NXT.

xrodmuc316 10-05-2023 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5632891)
Hey Xrod, guess what? 857k for NXT.

Watch next week head to head NXT beats Dynamite with the debut of CM Phil. Tiny will not take that shit anymore, his daddy has way more money than David Crockett's daddy :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2023 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5632862)
800k

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> garnered its second-lowest audience of the year for Wednesday's show, although the P18-49 rating stayed even from last week.<br><br>Dynamite averaged 800K viewers (-6% from last week) with a 0.28 P18-49 rating (even), per <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleNomics</a>. It was the least-watched episode… <a href="https://t.co/i8XB9BByvx">pic.twitter.com/i8XB9BByvx</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@TheRajGiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRajGiri/status/1710027783450312938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So this is what happens when your new Fedtoy's debut doesn't draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don't miss the west coast feed of Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> coming up on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> West<br>+ <br>Remember <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> is on Tuesday next week 10/10 (my birthday), and it's the best card on Dynamite EVER for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TitleTuesday?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TitleTuesday</a>!<br><br>See you later tonight on TBS West, + next Tuesday on TBS!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1709757456229044499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It’s almost like the debut wasn’t good.

Mr. Nerfect 10-06-2023 08:19 PM

It should be noted that Collision’s ratings are sinking. 327k this past week. The show dropped about 100k in viewers over the course of the show. Lots of excuses made about WWE competing against them (with NXT) but I’m not sure that explains people choosing to watch Collision then tune out. That seems like a quality of the show issue.

rez 10-06-2023 11:39 PM

Lol. ratings don't matter as long as they get the demo rating people like us.

rez 10-06-2023 11:41 PM

You know.. us that apologize to our clothing that we fell asleep and forgot to move them from the washer to the dryer...3 days sooner.


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