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Lock Jaw 07-07-2021 01:39 AM
Have they stopped with the counting wins/losses things already?

Mr. Nerfect 07-07-2021 02:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5462758)
The appeal is to try to get new fans/lapsed fans who don't want to commit to watching something every week but would happily binge watch a season of whatever if it got good reviews.

The weekly format will only ever draw the current niche market, which continues to shrink.
I don’t think it’ll work like you think it works. Wrestling doesn’t function well in seasons. It defeats the purpose and I see it as being less accessible rather than more.

Mr. Nerfect 07-07-2021 02:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5462857)
Have they stopped with the counting wins/losses things already?
I think they keep it up, but the idiots worked out that they need to deliberately book guys under to keep them from being #1 Contender for the World Title, so they only acknowledge it when they want to. Like TNA.

Mr. Nerfect 07-07-2021 02:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5462849)
Why is Tony Khan bragging about how he got a refund for the exploding deathmatch botch??

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...at-revolution/

Besides, didnt they already tell us it was Kenny's fault :rofl:

Seriously, Khan seems like such a Self Mark Doofus that he will just spill the behind the scenes details to anybody in order to appear cool.

“I was trying to be too safe and I let the professionals handle the stuff and they are guys who don’t understand wrestling,” Khan said. “It was professional pyrotechnic guys. They totally s--t the bed, these guys. I ended up not paying them. It was like $100,000 they ended up refunding for all the expenses of the match. So I didn’t end up paying for the (exploding) barbed wire deathmatch, which I shouldn’t have. They screwed up royally. We put together something great. Kenny and Jon worked their asses off and all they had to do was set up the final explosion. This is because we used professional pyrotechnic people who are supposed to know.”
What an absolute asshole. :lol:

Yep. Try using unprofessional pyro guys next time, you fuckwit. Here’s a scoop: It was a bullshit idea on the surface of it.

Mr. Nerfect 07-07-2021 02:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5462853)
It was hard to listen to khan's appearance on busted open. Like, I was legitimately embarrassed for him.

He completely dodged Bubba calling him out on the false promises of wins and losses counting and the sports style presentation. Those being my biggest disappointments with aew.
He can’t handle criticism well. And it’s not like there is actually a good retort for it. They simply lied to the fans.

Lock Jaw 07-07-2021 02:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5462859)
I don’t think it’ll work like you think it works. Wrestling doesn’t function well in seasons. It defeats the purpose and I see it as being less accessible rather than more.
I mean I guess I'm the guy who has also been going around suggesting a rassling show with no rassling on it, so what do I know....

I just think that there needs to be a "drastic evolution"/"shift" in presentation and delivery if there is any chance of expanding beyond the shrinking niche market.

Need someone who just thinks completely differently than the "norm"

Mr. Nerfect 07-07-2021 03:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5462864)
I mean I guess I'm the guy who has also been going around suggesting a rassling show with no rassling on it, so what do I know....

I just think that there needs to be a "drastic evolution"/"shift" in presentation and delivery if there is any chance of expanding beyond the shrinking niche market.

Need someone who just thinks completely differently than the "norm"
I wasn’t saying that in a dismissive way or anything — I agree with your overall point there. I think streaming would be the golden feather in a promotion’s cap. Unless it exposes them to lots of ridicule, lol. I definitely think presentation and formatting needs to be re-thought. Not “revolutionized,” per se — but just tidied up and smartened up.

That being said, as much as people may not want to admit this: Vince McMahon has actually been at the forefront of this. I mean, I don’t like the sterilized aesthetic of his shows. And his formatting doesn’t retain live viewers on TV that well. But the guy sells 1-hr versions of his show to markets that also by the 3-hr version. He creates a tedious product and then makes people pay for a more exciting one.

I’d rather someone other than Vince be at the forefront. The completionist in me would like to see a wrestling product I can engulf myself in entirely each week. But that is probably not going to happen unless one of those outside influences takes hold. The other option is that WWE expands to the point that Vince cannot control it anymore and accidental good takes place under his umbrella that is sort of self-contained (in a way that even NXT isn’t now).

screech 07-07-2021 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5462864)
I mean I guess I'm the guy who has also been going around suggesting a rassling show with no rassling on it, so what do I know....

I just think that there needs to be a "drastic evolution"/"shift" in presentation and delivery if there is any chance of expanding beyond the shrinking niche market.

Need someone who just thinks completely differently than the "norm"
Has anyone even tried rasslin in a seasonal format?

I never watched Lucha Underground. Is that a thing they did? DaveWadding would know.

screech 07-07-2021 09:08 AM
Also again: I would 100p watch your non-rasslin rasslin show, Lock Jaw.

Jordan 07-07-2021 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by screech (Post 5462876)
Has anyone even tried rasslin in a seasonal format?

I never watched Lucha Underground. Is that a thing they did? DaveWadding would know.
Yeah LU was seasonal. And more narrative with cinematic scenes and stories. It was very good. Also it seemed that they were able to highlight all the workers to make them look their best similar but better than ECW.

For example, El Texano came off like one of the most bad ass workers in the world. Like a Mexican Stan Hansen.

Angelico was like an evolved Jeff Hardy.

John Morrison came off like HBK 2.0.

Ricochet was easily one of the best in the world.

erickman 07-07-2021 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5462878)
Yeah LU was seasonal. And more narrative with cinematic scenes and stories. It was very good. Also it seemed that they were able to highlight all the workers to make them look their best similar but better than ECW.

For example, El Texano came off like one of the most bad ass workers in the world. Like a Mexican Stan Hansen.

Angelico was like an evolved Jeff Hardy.

John Morrison came off like HBK 2.0.

Ricochet was easily one of the best in the world.
that was bad for the wrestler when the 4th season was slow to come out and the wrestlers could not work other places. till impact was able to make a deal with them.

Fignuts 07-07-2021 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5462857)
Have they stopped with the counting wins/losses things already?
No but there's a difference between keeping track of them and have them actually mean something.

Having guys go on a tear on aew dark whenever you need them to challenge for a title does not give any weight to wins and losses.

screech 07-07-2021 12:15 PM
I think Britt Baker even brought up stacking Dark wins a few weeks ago on Dynamite.

slik 07-07-2021 12:51 PM
Tomm End/ Aleister / Malakai Blacks perhaps AEW bound...


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erickman 07-07-2021 01:48 PM
guess i got to dvr aew and impact big bro is about to start pisses me off that they are not on wwe nights.

Mr. Nerfect 07-07-2021 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5462905)
Tomm End/ Aleister / Malakai Blacks perhaps AEW bound...


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Former NXT talent featured in above video...

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I can’t watch that video, but if he is calling himself Malakai Blacks and cutting promos that contain that quote underneath, then the WWE really wasn’t the problem there.

drave 07-08-2021 08:14 AM
Malakai Black and yes. Nice little 4 minute video there.

slik 07-08-2021 12:37 PM
All Out going to be sold out


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unless there's a small amount of tickets they are saving for tomorrow's general public release, this presale has SOLD OUT for All Out &amp; Trio Combo package.<br><br>Every seat on map =&gt; 9,496<br><br>Plenty of tickets left for Dynamite/Rampage. Much more coming...<a href="https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu">https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu</a> <a href="https://t.co/ybvjXB41ZS">pic.twitter.com/ybvjXB41ZS</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1413169534752657414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damian Rey 2.0 07-08-2021 02:04 PM
Badly want AEW to come to San Diego

Mr. Nerfect 07-09-2021 04:41 AM
Basically all wrestling shows are going to be sold out for a little while. It’s no achievement right now.

Latest rating was a pretty big flop from AEW.

Jordan 07-09-2021 08:30 AM
I don't think that it was a flop, not that it was great but it was average. Also it was a great show top to bottom which is more than you can say for WWE. The shows WWE produce are so bad that they are getting the lowest ratings they ever had since 93. I mean WWE is absolute shit from an ass and AEW is either "meh" or really fuggin good. The "meh" absolutely comes from the lack of fans and overuse of Jacksonville. Meanwhile WWE had been touring before live crowds for years and have been total shit from an ass.

Evil Vito 07-09-2021 10:04 AM
"Nah you're all wrong, it sucks, stop having fun" - Noid

slik 07-09-2021 11:19 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJimCornette</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GreatBrianLast?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GreatBrianLast</a>, how did you like my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> debut? I did this for all of us real wrestling fans, wrestling is no longer a safe space for friends to dance around and play dress up. Reality can hit at anytime, did they think it is going to be fucking playtime forever?</p>&mdash; Fat Bastard (@MuufuhkinMark) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuufuhkinMark/status/1413486040346726402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 07-09-2021 12:12 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW All Out has sold out. I think they gotta start considering bigger PPV venues for All Out!</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1413525706794016769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect 07-09-2021 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5463499)
I don't think that it was a flop, not that it was great but it was average. Also it was a great show top to bottom which is more than you can say for WWE. The shows WWE produce are so bad that they are getting the lowest ratings they ever had since 93. I mean WWE is absolute shit from an ass and AEW is either "meh" or really fuggin good. The "meh" absolutely comes from the lack of fans and overuse of Jacksonville. Meanwhile WWE had been touring before live crowds for years and have been total shit from an ass.
AEW has the lowest ratings anyone with that sort of platform has had ever. You’re allowed to enjoy it, but “really fuggin good” is entirely subjective. What isn’t subjective is whether the show makes sense and whether it draws an audience. WWE’s creative issues are an unrelated issue, honestly. They could be great or horrible and AEW still sucks in its own vacuum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5463504)
"Nah you're all wrong, it sucks, stop having fun" - Noid
Well, I didn’t say stop having fun. That’s just a lie to make yourself seem like a victim, but at least you got the first two parts right. White noise, arrested development, nonsensical and unartistic crap. It is also unappealing to most wrestling fans, evidently. TPWW is usually wrong.

slik 07-09-2021 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5463510)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJimCornette</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GreatBrianLast?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GreatBrianLast</a>, how did you like my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> debut? I did this for all of us real wrestling fans, wrestling is no longer a safe space for friends to dance around and play dress up. Reality can hit at anytime, did they think it is going to be fucking playtime forever?</p>&mdash; Fat Bastard (@MuufuhkinMark) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuufuhkinMark/status/1413486040346726402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Real wrestling fans don't jump the rail. You should be embarrassed. You are blocked. <a href="https://t.co/Vq17trBjvG">https://t.co/Vq17trBjvG</a></p>&mdash; The Great Brian Last (@GreatBrianLast) <a href="https://twitter.com/GreatBrianLast/status/1413544069364604938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

#1-norm-fan 07-09-2021 01:52 PM
Damn. Fat Bastard rejected by both sides. A man without a home. Expect to see him lurking in the rafters at future AEW shows. “Crow Bastard”.

Triple A 07-09-2021 02:00 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I really want to thank <a href="https://twitter.com/Billy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Billy</a> for bailing me out of jail, you didn’t have to do that. Just like <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IamJericho</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> shouldn’t have pressed charges, after they promised not to. I’ll see you soon, you fucking pussies, wrestling is no longer a safe space…</p>&mdash; Fat Bastard (@MuufuhkinMark) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuufuhkinMark/status/1413430680730677248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

weather vane 07-09-2021 02:03 PM
What a freak.

Mr. Nerfect 07-09-2021 02:08 PM
Typical AEW fan.

Jordan 07-09-2021 03:51 PM
Is he threatening to "make Wrestling unsafe"?

Bad News Gertner 07-09-2021 03:55 PM
This is going to become a thing now.

I remember when WCW had a bunch of fans hitting the ring because they had "plants" doing it before.

Mr. Nerfect 07-09-2021 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5463549)
Is he threatening to "make Wrestling unsafe"?
He should sign up and join their mid-card if that’s his goal.

Mr. Nerfect 07-09-2021 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord Gertner of TPWW (Post 5463550)
This is going to become a thing now.

I remember when WCW had a bunch of fans hitting the ring because they had "plants" doing it before.
I was thinking about this earlier, lol. It’ll be interesting to see if that happens, but wrestling promotions do kind of generate the fans they deserve.

Triple A 07-09-2021 08:49 PM
That guy seems like he has like 95% the same personality and interests as you

xrodmuc316 07-09-2021 10:21 PM
Why did Tony Khan agree to go on Bully Ray's show if he was going to spaz out and not answer any questions??? What a manchild

Mr. Nerfect 07-09-2021 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5463582)
That guy seems like he has like 95% the same personality and interests as you
Lol, I would never buy a ticket to go and see an AEW show. Swing and a miss.

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5463586)
Why did Tony Khan agree to go on Bully Ray's show if he was going to spaz out and not answer any questions??? What a manchild
He lives in the bubble. He either thinks his show is great or thinks that everyone else outside the Cornette sphere thinks his show is great. Mark Henry is/was a host on that show, wasn’t he? He probably thought he had more free advertising. He wasn’t expecting a guy to ask logical questions in response to the product.

Vastardikai 07-09-2021 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5463582)
That guy seems like he has like 95% the same personality and interests as you
"Fat Bastard" has some severe issues that at least begin with delusions. He claims that William Patrick Corgan bailed him out of jail. I find that hard to believe. Someone should probably actually check to see if this dude has guns. Because he is a threat to society.

Noid, for all his faults, isn't an overt mental case. He's closer to 40 tweet fanfic promo than rush the ring and threaten to do it again.

Malfeitor 07-09-2021 10:57 PM
Have xrod and Noid 69’d yet?

Mr. Nerfect 07-09-2021 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5463591)
"Fat Bastard" has some severe issues that at least begin with delusions. He claims that William Patrick Corgan bailed him out of jail. I find that hard to believe. Someone should probably actually check to see if this dude has guns. Because he is a threat to society.

Noid, for all his faults, isn't an overt mental case. He's closer to 40 tweet fanfic promo than rush the ring and threaten to do it again.
Just another attempt to slam me as a person from someone who tries to get mean because they don’t have the substance to form actual points.

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Originally Posted by Malfeitor (Post 5463592)
Have xrod and Noid 69’d yet?
Lol, shades of “69 me, Don!” Classic comedy that. Because it’s a sex act. And sex is funny.


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