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Jeritron 06-27-2007 04:04 PM

Exactly. The only thing I can say about Benoit is that if I was religious, he would be in my prayers. I'd pray for his soul because he needs it.

Other than that, I can't have anything for him but disgust and anger.

"I don't understand things like this, and I probably never will." - Edge

Londoner 06-27-2007 04:05 PM

So what if we only knew him in the ring? Its tough when you hear of someone you grew up watching on TV and looked upto becoming a murderer.

Jeritron 06-27-2007 04:06 PM

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If it wasn't Benoit, but another less popular and less successful wrestler, what would you say?
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Londoner 06-27-2007 04:09 PM

I haven't lied to myself at all really, but yeah i get your point.

James Steele 06-27-2007 04:22 PM

I can't look at Benoit the same, but the fact is I still enjoyed his work and nothing can change that. I don't wish any man to hell, and I hope God has mercy on his soul. His family has been in my thoughts ever since this unfolded.

Corkscrewed 06-27-2007 04:23 PM

Yeah. It's just plain tough.

Hell, I'm pretty sure you'll hear non-wrestling fans just tear him a new one. Call him a monster, a sicko, a fucked up piece of shit and all that.

You'll hear that, because to most people (who don't follow wrestling), he's just a freak who killed his family for no apparent reason, AND was apparently shooting his son up with HGH (that's just fucking creepy; I don't care of Daniel had dwarfism or fragile X syndrome... unless it was under doctor's orders). To people who don't know him, he's just another sick murderer. To us, he's a guy we loved and respected... who turned out to be a sick murderer. And THAT'S why it's disgusting to accept. For us. Who "knew" him.

SammyG 06-27-2007 04:31 PM

You said it best Corkscrewed.

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I guess this means I'm not allowed to have a different opinion than you or actually have morals. :nono:

Splaya 06-27-2007 06:25 PM

AccessNorthGa.com has posted the following Associated Press story on their site:

Professional wrestler Chris Benoit met with his personal physician hours before he allegedly killed his wife and son and then hanged himself in his basement, the doctor said Wednesday.

"He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff," said Dr. Phil Astin of metro Atlanta. "He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or anything."

Authorities say Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son Daniel and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley over the weekend. No motive was offered for the killings, which were spread out over the weekend and discovered Monday.

Astin, who said he was Benoit's longtime friend and physician, said he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit because he suffered from low amounts of the hormone. He said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use. He would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of the meeting.

"I'm still very surprised and shocked, especially with his child Daniel involved," said Benoit. "He worshipped his child."

Investigators said Benoit's 43-year-old wife was strangled Friday with what appeared to be a cable in an upstairs family room, and her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, and his body was found in his bed, the district attorney said.

Before the killings, the family was struggling with how to care for the child, who suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment.

"Him and Nancy were clearly struggling about this whole issue, about how to take care of Daniel," said McDevitt.

"I don't know what he confronted when he went back into the house," he said. "No one really knows that. We'll have to see. Clearly this issue of the son was a stressor on both of their relationships for some time."

District Attorney Scott Ballard said the autopsy indicated that there were no bruise marks on his neck, so authorities are now assuming he could have been killed using a choke hold. "It's a process of elimination," he said.

Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs may have caused the muscle man nicknamed the "Canadian Crippler" to kill his wife and child and then himself.

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday evening saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs.

"The drugs they had found in there, including the steroids, were all pursuant to legitimate prescription. We know they know which doctor prescribed it," McDevitt said. "There's no question, none of these drugs are out there, none of these drugs came from Internet pharmacies."

While steroids can cause the paranoia and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage," the drug is also associated with deep and lengthy bouts of depression.

"Just as you have the extreme high of when you're on steroids, you can get the opposite," said Dr. Todd Schlifstein, a clinical assistant professor at the New York University School of Medicine. "You can have a dramatic difference in mood swings. You can feel there's no hope, there's no future."


That is from Wrestlezone.com. The more info we get, the more confused I get.

VonErichLives 06-27-2007 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeritron
Usually when you hear about a filthy murderer, you hear about them because of what they did. Normally you don't know of them before it.

tell that to fans of OJ or people who wacthed Rober Blake.

I'm sure we can come up with more...

it's really nothing new in the sense of "someone we watched" I think where it's new is the generation it hits... typically these are older stars and hit an older group a group of who was already been exposed to murder in the news for decades.. in this case you have pimple faced kids with voices changing and trying to figure out puberty who remember Benoit in the first wrestling show they ever watched and have no clue how to feel or react.

VonErichLives 06-27-2007 07:12 PM

on a side note... has any thought/consideration been given about post concussion symdrome? it's also known to cause major mood swings and depression...

Gray 06-27-2007 07:17 PM

Looks like the News about Autism being reversed never got to Chris in time.

Not really said much on this issue though. On Sunday, there was only one match that i was looking forward to on the Vengeance card, and that was the Chris Benoit vs CM Punk match. A few days prior i told my friend of the really good match which Elijah Burke and Benoit had, so i had hopes of the match being top notch on Sunday.

A general feeling of disapointment swept through me when they announced that Benoit was having some personal issues and had to fly home, i didnt feel it was serious so i was going to decide to watch the following ECW and see what developed of the storyline that was bound to happen.

Late on Monday i had the intention of going to bed fairly early [Since i did afterall stay up to watch the PPV, but also because ive had a fair few problems of my own recently so i wanted the kip to refresh myself]. Just before going i checked the TPWW website. My heart sank when i seen what the main story was. [This one]. I tried to get onto the WWE website but it seems like it had been overloaded.

At the time, i only seen the title of the thread [Since TPWW was also dying] so i had this really sad feeling that my favorite wrestler had passed. When WWE did finally start working i then found out about other members of the family dying, i didnt know what to think. Was it a burgulary gone wrong? Was there some type of environmental issue which caused this. At no point did the thought of Chris actually killing anyone and himself come into my mind.

There was only about 15-20 minutes til Raw aired, so i decided that i would watch that, the look on Vince McMahon was real sad, but also on the looks of Taz and JBL as well, the comment about JBL having a child-like face was all too true, i only remembered seeing it once before - When Eddie died.

After every break [Jesus, people wasnt joking about all these commercial breaks Raw has been getting] i would rush on upstairs and get some more information - Which wasnt happening because TPWW was still running extremely slow.

When each of the "remeberence" video's where shown i didnt get sad, or upset.Something seemed different. I remember when Eddie died [Also stayed up for that tribute] i was crying for days, but that feeling wasnt there for Chris, and this was before i found out about what had happened. It was all too strange to me. The only time i was close to making any tears was when i was watching the Edge Remeberence, that really was a sad moment.

After it all, i went to bed, woke up and checked it all, this is when the news started coming out that foul play may have been involved. I didnt really WANT to believe it, so i was trying to find some other logical explanations and for most of the day i was getting the information as it happened - albeit some where rumours, but the denial for it all started to waiver.

I was shocked to hear about the tying up of his wife, im not a person who respects a man who hits a woman or child... So when you find out that one of the greatest wrestlers you knew and respected did this, you have to take a step back and go "woah... what the fuck?" The bible by the bodies i felt would signify something like opening the gateway to heaven for the deceased, but me personally, im not a religious person so who knows - I just feel he wasnt in his right mind when it all transpired, or was he? I just dont know.

What i do know is, that some of my favorite wrestlers have died over the past 10 years or so, Owen Hart, whom i was a huge fan of back when i was a kid, the British Bulldog because i met him in the town i live at during a local promotion and Eddie Guerrero for simply touching my heart, i never felt the same after the Eddie death, and with what Lawler said at the very end of Raw about loving family, that is one thing i have always had a problem with, and i hope that somehow i can take that message in that he gave over this whole situation...

Hm.. too much. :o

Kane Knight 06-27-2007 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErichLives
on a side note... has any thought/consideration been given about post concussion symdrome? it's also known to cause major mood swings and depression...

Why do that, when you can just call him sick?

addy2hotty 06-27-2007 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight
Why do that, when you can just call him sick?

Beat me to it KK.

One poster in particular seems to have to say it a couple of times each page. We get the the fucking point already.

Corkscrewed 06-27-2007 07:26 PM

Frankly, this whole thing is fucked up.

But I'm really starting to think that the issue might very well have been the domestic dispute about Daniel, something that dragged him down over the past few months or years. Something he didn't share with anyone else outside of the family. Something that pushed him over the edge on Friday/Saturday night.

Corkscrewed 06-27-2007 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight
Why do that, when you can just call him sick?

Sick can also mean messed up in the head, consistent with an effect of PCS...

KingofOldSchool 06-27-2007 07:34 PM

While Edge and Batista had their "Do or Die" match Sunday at the PPV, Benoit and his family were having their own "Do or Die" match.









SPOILER: It ended in a draw






Yeah yeah I'm an asshole, I'm gonna rot in hell, etc.

Jeritron 06-27-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by addy2hotty
Beat me to it KK.

One poster in particular seems to have to say it a couple of times each page. We get the the fucking point already.

Do you though?

Skippord 06-27-2007 07:48 PM

lol KoOs

Londoner 06-27-2007 07:52 PM

Im thinking the stress of coping with his child/wwe got too much.

addy2hotty 06-27-2007 07:56 PM

O'Reilly is all about wrestling deaths right now btw.

Interesting comment about Superfly causing the death of someone on the road and beating up women regularly.

He a sick fuck too?

Londoner 06-27-2007 07:58 PM

Fuck O'reilly.

KingofOldSchool 06-27-2007 08:05 PM

Yeah cause wrestlers are the lowest form of human beings around.

addy2hotty 06-27-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TL
Fuck O'reilly.

Indeed, but it wasn't him that said it. It was some wrestling historian.

O'Reilly was shouting about Benoit 'injecting his son with something'....that been confirmed, I may have missed it?

addy2hotty 06-27-2007 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Yeah cause wrestlers are the lowest form of human beings around.

Big bad Bill said 'you have to be twisted to be a wrestler' or something very similar.

IC Champion 06-27-2007 08:10 PM

Bill O'Reilly is a piece of conservative shit.

XL 06-27-2007 08:12 PM

It seems now that the major area of contention has changed from "Do you really think he did it?/Let's hope he didn't do it/Here's hoping there's more to this than meets the eye" to "Do you still respect his legacy/career?"

The way I see it is like this...

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone of the belief that Harold Shipman was a damn fine doctor before he killed those 215 people.

Or that Fred West was a great labourer/father before he killed those 12 girls/raped his own daughter.

My point kinda follows on from where Corky left off. Shipman and West were not known to the world until these heinous crimes were revealed where as Benoit was. I guess that's their great difference. I guess their similarity comes in the fact that all 3 men commited suicide before justice was served (Shipman commited suicide in prison)

What Benoit did over the weekend has eclipsed his career. As a bare minimum it has greatly tainted it.

As much as I could still watch a Benoit match and see the briliance of the guy, I'd always be thinking about what he did. Quite simply I don't wanna be thinking about it, so I'll be finding it difficult to watch anything with Benoit in it. Ever.

KingofOldSchool 06-27-2007 08:40 PM

ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and asked him if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."

:lol:

JTB31 06-27-2007 08:42 PM

If you read Jillian Hall's blog she has become the 1st WWE superstar to speak out against Benoit.She said she is 100% behind Vince erasing all of Benoit's tributes and said that what he did is completely disgusting and unforgiveable.Though she did mention that Benoit was always nice to her.

IC Champion 06-27-2007 08:45 PM

This wasn't Roid Rage, people who do something in an act of rage do somethin in a quick timely fashion.

McLegend 06-27-2007 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and ask her if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."

:lol:

lol yeah I watched that to.

KingofOldSchool 06-27-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Instant Classic
This wasn't Roid Rage, people who do something in an act of rage do somethin in a quick timely fashion.

B..b..b..but he's a wrestler and wrestlers use steroids and steroids causes roid rage. And since a wrestler commited murder and then killed himself, it must've been because of steroids!

Cause you know a wrestler who commits an act like this can't just be fucked in the head and had to be caused by drugs.

Londoner 06-27-2007 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
ROFL I'm watching Headline News right now with this Nacy Grace talking to Bret Hart and asked him if "being demoted from the 4 Horsemen group to Raw had anything to do with the murder."

:lol:

Lmao, what was Brets reaction to that??

KingofOldSchool 06-27-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TL
Lmao, what was Brets reaction to that??

Just basically how Benoit loved and had a very strong passion for the business.

IC Champion 06-27-2007 09:14 PM

Even Bret has been defending Vince and the WWE, as far as the steriods and it contributing to the deaths.

RGWhat316 06-27-2007 09:27 PM

Wow O'Reilly was blaming Nancy for even being with Chris, basically blaming her for her own death.

IC Champion 06-27-2007 09:32 PM

It's Bill O'Reilly, what can you expect, nobody listens to him.

311 06-27-2007 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Instant Classic
It's Bill O'Reilly, what can you expect, nobody listens to him.

:y:

Corkscrewed 06-27-2007 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Instant Classic
This wasn't Roid Rage, people who do something in an act of rage do somethin in a quick timely fashion.

Maybe he was one of those procrastinating roid ragers. :shifty:

hb2k 06-27-2007 10:00 PM

Neither jusitfying nor condoning what happened, I have to question whether the first death was intentional. The timeline of events almost indicate like this was malicious and planned out, but if he went to the doctors the same day for a prescription, logic would say that he didn't have any intention of dying.

Also, Nancy's arms and legs being bound is bizarre as well - if it was a murder done with the knowledge of murder, or even in the heat of the murder, the priority wouldn't be to restrain, it would be to go straight to choke her. And if it was done afterwards, then it makes no sense and serves no purpose.

Then again, none of this makes any sense. I guess part of me just wants this not to be as ugly as it appears. Ultimately, it doesn't matter.

owenbrown 06-27-2007 10:06 PM

Not only was Chris Benoit a topic on Pardon the Interruption on ESPN... IT WAS THE LEAD STORY!!! They debated whether or not steroids should be regulated in pro wrestling. Around the Horn prior to PTI had Benoit in their "Out of Bounds" topic debating how the Benoit tragedy reflects on the WWE and talking about the steroids. I hear that ITunes has the ATH and PTI podcasts(all Itunes podcasts are free.) if you wanna watch. ATH the topic is midway or so in on PTI its about 2 minutes in.

mrslackalack 06-27-2007 10:48 PM

I would love to see Ludacris fight Bill O'Riley

mrslackalack 06-27-2007 10:48 PM

It seems this story is going to dominate the headlines for weeks and weeks to come.

mrslackalack 06-27-2007 10:51 PM

WWE has removed EVERYTHING Benoit from their site, Even on DVD descripitons.

On the WM 20 DVD it says

Triple H defends the WHC against Shawn Michaels

Tons and Tons of stores has removed the Benoit DVD. I bet that it will be a collectable DVD to own

ford fairlane 06-27-2007 11:13 PM

Just read this article over at 1wrestling

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29057

Now i have to ask is this guy for real,there was innocence still left in wrestling??.
And to claim it as a victim is outright laughable,only in a world this messed up can one man's actions be used in such a way.
The industry with some innocence chews people up and spits them out on a daily basis,Maybe if the industry actually acted like a family as it keeps referring to this may have been averted.

Xero 06-27-2007 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mrslackalack
WWE has removed EVERYTHING Benoit from their site, Even on DVD descripitons.

On the WM 20 DVD it says

Triple H defends the WHC against Shawn Michaels

Tons and Tons of stores has removed the Benoit DVD. I bet that it will be a collectable DVD to own

I'm wondering how long before we see another Benoit match on a DVD release. Would they edit out matches with Benoit in say the SummerSlam sets? And eventually you're going to run into wrestlers who had a match that deserves to be on their set with Benoit.

Corkscrewed 06-27-2007 11:27 PM

Yeah... that'll be tricky. I don't think they should just erase him from everything, to the point of affecting others. Maybe the most I'd advocate is removing his name from the listings, but not actually editing the matches. It'd be sort of stupid if he was like blurred out while applying a crossface to the main homage wrestler of a DVD or something. :lol:

Xero 06-27-2007 11:31 PM

Boy, the 2004 Royal Rumble would have been a hell of a blurring job.

mrslackalack 06-27-2007 11:33 PM

The next WWE DVD's come out Aug 7th (Austin and WCCW) and while Benoit had nothing to do with WCCW a match of his against Austin might be on Stone Colds so you wonder if WWE would delay the release. Benoit is also featured frequently on the ''Do Not Try This at Home'' segments that precede a WWE DVD.

mrslackalack 06-27-2007 11:34 PM

No clue on future releases. Benoit ME Summerslam 04 against Orton and if Orton ever gets a DVD that and his Foley match are his 2 biggest matches to date and it would have to make the DVD.

mrslackalack 06-27-2007 11:37 PM

On the Backlash 04 DVD he is on the cover by himself

Arnold HamNegger 06-27-2007 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkscrewed
Yeah... that'll be tricky. I don't think they should just erase him from everything, to the point of affecting others. Maybe the most I'd advocate is removing his name from the listings, but not actually editing the matches. It'd be sort of stupid if he was like blurred out while applying a crossface to the main homage wrestler of a DVD or something. :lol:

:lol:

"BAW GAWD, 'Wrestler Society X' is about to make HHH tap out!"

Xero 06-27-2007 11:43 PM

"Bret Hart appeared on Nancy Grace, although no new information was revealed during the program. In fact, Grace seemed to be ill-informed, at one point talking about Benoit suffering a "demotion" from the Four Horsemen to Raw."

From PWInsider.

LOL

YOUR Hero 06-28-2007 12:14 AM

Nancy Grace is out of touch on so many topics she tries to cover.

McLegend 06-28-2007 12:20 AM

Yeah a lot of this Media coverage is terrible.

I know people view wrestling as a total joke and a waste of time which it might be, but c'mon at least do some research.

weather vane 06-28-2007 01:22 AM

Vinny Mac will be on the Today show tomorrow morning.

darkpower 06-28-2007 01:47 AM

About some new info:

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Londoner 06-28-2007 02:59 AM

^ Wow thats interesting.

Arnold HamNegger 06-28-2007 03:49 AM

You know, no matter how much TV coverage and internet articles/conversations I read...this still isn't sinking in. It's like my eyes are watching all this, but my brain is in a state of disbelief that this could possibly be real. The only other time in my life that I can say this type of feeling has come over me was on 9/11.

It's just beyond bizarre that in a world full of tragic deaths, purposely ridiculous storylines, continuity fuck ups, jackassicly stupid booking scenerios, etc.......Benoit's life has the most unbelievable ending of them all.


Noone would ever dream of even suggesting this as a fictional angle because noone would believe it...and people agreed to run with Kurt Angle beastiality sex and Katie Vick.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-28-2007 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126
"Bret Hart appeared on Nancy Grace, although no new information was revealed during the program. In fact, Grace seemed to be ill-informed, at one point talking about Benoit suffering a "demotion" from the Four Horsemen to Raw."

From PWInsider.

LOL

LOL

Someone get a clip, there is no WAY she said that :D

SammyG 06-28-2007 04:18 AM

lol Nancy. Benoit woulda put her in the Strangler if he woulda heard that. BAH GAWD NANCY AIN'T TAPPIN' OUT, HE'S CHOKIN HER.

D Mac 06-28-2007 04:29 AM

Hell, they may not even release the Summerslam and Survivor Series sets due to this shit.

Jeritron 06-28-2007 06:29 AM

They'll find a way around this shit.

They can just take his matches off the card. He's only been in main events of ppvs a limited amount of time. Some of which during brand extension featured more than one world title match which could allow for rearranging and deletion of that title match.
Matches will be lost, but they already have been by the cloud over them, and they're being taken out for good reason.
Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event.
I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.

Most of his other ppv matches will be easy to take out without it being noticeable.

As for his inclusion in montages and the like, that's easy as hell to change. Mention of him in other matches commentary can be easily deleted or dubbed out.

And as for his presence on upcoming career dvd sets...If a wrestler is worthy of a career dvd set, then its not gonna depend on just matches with Benoit. There should be plenty of matches with others to use instead. Normally, some would be worthy to be on there, but not anymore.
Matches again are lost, and in a way it's "not fair" to the set or the wrestler, but that's the way it is. I'm sure most if not all of the wrestlers would prefer their match with him left off since matches on dvd sets are their favorite or most meaningful matches.
For instance, take a Jericho dvd set. A shit ton of great matches will be lost, but that's how its gotta be. They're no longer great and no longer have a place. The wrestler worthy of a dvd set will have plenty else to draw from.

This will take effort on the part of WWE home video, but it can be done

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 06-28-2007 07:06 AM

I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.

Jeritron 06-28-2007 07:17 AM

Vince was just on Today show

Very well spoken, the bitch attacked him with false and misleading information. He remained calm and spoke very well.
Referred to Benoit as a monster which I think is right.

very good work by Vince. But unfortunately no matter how right he is, how well he speaks, how many good points he makes, how many debates he wins, or how much good he does...they always have, currently are, and always will try to paint him as the bad guy.

Londoner 06-28-2007 07:18 AM

Yeah it was the person that was the murderer, not the wrestler...

Jeritron 06-28-2007 07:18 AM

the fucking morons tried to put a spin on Owen's death. They counted it as a heart attack death in their assault on steroids.

ford fairlane 06-28-2007 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NoJabbaNoBogRoll
I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.

It seems Chris finally done something that the wwe finally take huge umbridge with,i know it is a shocking crime but the company welcome with open arms alcoholics,druggies,wife beaters et all.
It sort of sends the message that killing your family is heinous but everything else is ok,we can still make a shit load of cash from you,maybe thats the real reason behind them erasing him from everything.
As i cant see the wwe suddenly developing scrupples

Jeritron 06-28-2007 07:34 AM

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They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc.
Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement.


Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy.

Bad point.

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ford fairlane 06-28-2007 07:48 AM

To a certain extent they deal with it when the whole world knows that the person in question has a problem,take the stone cold situation beat his wife got chased down with the cops,going by his ex-wifes words used roids,but still they welcome him back with open arms.
The real point of this seems to be if the erase chris benoit they absolve themselves,people are focusing on the use of steroids,should they not be also looking at the pressure wrestlers are put under by management.

It is so easy to label someone a monster and be done with it,but to be honest you have to look at what made the person become a monster as well,im sure when more comes out they will be plenty of blame to go around,but the buck stops with chris i know this most people know this,but i think most people want to know why,what made him snap in such a explosive fashion.

Jeritron 06-28-2007 07:56 AM

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addy2hotty 06-28-2007 08:29 AM

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They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc.
Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement.


Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy.

Bad point.

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So the WWE have had morals all along? I find that hard to believe. Masters rapid size change after Eddie's death is not natural. I don't know whether or not the WWE encourage the use of steroids/painkillers by glossing over the use with a 'prescribed to' stamp.

The sort of attitude we're seeing is that it's ok to juice, to ravage your body with painkillers - as long as you don't kill anybody. It's only business after all.

Jeritron 06-28-2007 08:39 AM

He wasn't talking about steroids. He was talking about domestic abuse, alcohol, and 'druggies' which obviously referred to recreational drug use.
He made no reference to steroids

What the fuck is your problem?

Jeritron 06-28-2007 08:43 AM

p.s.

Every one of us have known about steroid use and the 'ravaging' of bodies since as long as we have known about wrestling. Suddenly we have morals?? All of a sudden we can drop the hammer and point fingers and say, oh it didn't matter to us before but it does now? Or is the claim that they've been bad all along and should be judged as so, even though we haven't cared all along and now you're condemning them?

I agree there should be changes, but come on.

Jeritron 06-28-2007 08:56 AM

Stone Cold is gonna be on Regis and Kelly. It's on right now, I don't know what time he's coming on. Clearly on hand to talk about the incident. Unless of course he's on to announce the long awaited DVD release of the 3-disc The Condemned Extended Directors Cut.

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Theo Dious 06-28-2007 09:51 AM

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Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event.
I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.

I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.

Marc the Smark 06-28-2007 09:53 AM

There are fascinating articles all over the web that explain why Benoit may have done what he did. I posted them on here but someone decided to delete them.

Benoit may have believed family was 'better off in heaven'
By Eliza Barlow, SUN MEDIA

Chris Benoit may have been so depressed that he believed his family would be “better off in heaven” when he allegedly murdered his wife and son before killing himself, says an expert on murder-suicide. WWE wrestler Benoit, his wife Nancy and son Daniel, 7, were found dead Monday in their suburban Atlanta home.

Local police are treating the case as a murder-suicide.

Dr. John Bradford, associate chief of the integrated forensic program for the Royal Ottawa Health Care Group, said murder-suicides that wipe out a family are most often carried out by the father.

“The most usual cause is a major depression, normally a severe one with psychotic features,” said Bradford, also a professor of forensic psychiatry at the University of Ottawa.

“They sort of start to think, in this psychotic thinking, that the whole family would be better off in heaven ... That, ‘This is a horrible place, I think we’d all be better off dead.’”

Psychiatrists commonly refer to murder-suicide as “extended suicide,” when the killer decides life is not worth living, he said.

Police in Georgia say they will be investigating whether steroid use was a factor in the case.

Prescription anabolic steroids were found in the home.

Bradford said steroid use carries “a lot of baggage” when it comes to psychiatric health because the drugs alter brain and body chemistry.

“People that abuse steroids carry with them an increase risk of rage and rage attacks. There’s also an increased risk of depression, so it’s kind of a double whammy.”

Dads who decide to kill their kids often turn to methods such as smothering because they don’t want the children to suffer, said Bradford.

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Apparently Benoit felt, in his twisted mind, that he was doing the right thing by taking his son with him.

Jeritron 06-28-2007 09:58 AM

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I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.


Eh, he did it again at 22, and was pinned cleanly at 21. He also won the match at 16, 19 and 18.
I know what you're saying, and either way I'm just saying I don't think it would be hard for them to edit things out, nor would it be that devestating to anyones legacy other than Benoit's

Theo Dious 06-28-2007 10:04 AM

Actually editing DVDs would also have the unintended but still existing effect of making the original unedited ones instant collector's items. Just putting that out there.

Also, I have a feeling I might not be able to so much as give away my damn Benoit DVD, much less make money for it at a used place.

owenbrown 06-28-2007 10:33 AM

Here is a recap of the Benoit tragedy being debated on Around the Horn yesterday for those who don't have or don't want ITunes or the podcasts or don't watch ESPN.

Panelists: J.A. Adande(former Los Angeles Times columnist), Jay Mariotti (Chicago Sun-Times), and Michael Smith(ESPN)

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Originally Posted by the ESPN Around the Horn Yahoo Group Recap: Wednesday 6/27/07

OUT OF BOUNDS: How does Chris Benoit's death reflect on the WWE?
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Adande notes a disturbing trend among wrestlers in general: since 1985, 63 wrestlers have died before age 50. Furthermore, after staging the "death" of Vince McMahon, the WWE needs to ask themselves what kind of values they represent. Mariotti is disgusted with McMahon's statement denying that steroids factored in Benoit's death before the final toxicology report. Between baseball and this, he says it's time for the goverment to step in. Smith calls it premature to connect this murder-suicide to steroids, but the HGH needle found in the arm of the 7-year-old son Benoit also killed is circumstantial evidence to Jay.



Additions: Mariotti said how dare Mcmahon try to protect his company, and mention Eddie's death in '05 mentioning steroids(although he forgot to mention Eddie was clean and sober at his death and only his past caught up to him years later) and Curt Henning in '03(steriods too, although he didn't mention the fact Henning also died of cocaine as well) Mariotti stretching the truth once again... no wonder sports fans in Chicago hate him.:n:

Londoner 06-28-2007 11:26 AM

Marlotti needs to fuck off by the sounds of it. All these news reporters just want the WWE to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of the Benoits family deaths. That's fucking low if you ask me.

RP 06-28-2007 11:29 AM

HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

Innovator 06-28-2007 11:37 AM

Mariotti bows down to Woody Paige, everyone knows that.

Theo Dious 06-28-2007 11:37 AM

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All these news reporters just want anyone and anything to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of any sort of tragedy that unfolds. That's fucking low if you ask me.

Fixed.

James Steele 06-28-2007 11:49 AM

I hate ATH. They always shit on Woody Paige.

James Steele 06-28-2007 11:49 AM

Woody Paige should get his own 1-hour show on ESPN.

road doggy dogg 06-28-2007 11:57 AM

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HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

hahaha oh christ :rofl:

Jordan 06-28-2007 11:59 AM

I just wish this would go away

DCXtreme 06-28-2007 12:06 PM

Its being said he killed his son with a choke hold :\

Arnold HamNegger 06-28-2007 12:39 PM

I was watching some news reports last night that I had recorded and then that Linkin Park song "What I've Done" came on the radio. When they showed a clip of Benoit hugging/kissing his son in the ring after winning the belt I just started crying.

They lyrics of the song with this scenerio is just :'(





















FUCK YOU BENOIT FOR MAKING ME EMO! :foc:

owenbrown 06-28-2007 12:43 PM

:y::y::y: Innovator and JamesSteele

owenbrown 06-28-2007 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder
HBK and Hunter should rename Degeneration X to Fragile X.

You have a weird sense of humor, RP :o

Kris P Lettus 06-28-2007 12:59 PM

Fox News is saying that authorities raided Benoits personal doctor's office..

Innovator 06-28-2007 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele
Woody Paige should get his own 1-hour show on ESPN.

Got Wood-y?

Inadequacy 06-28-2007 01:07 PM

BOY I HOPE NOT!

RP 06-28-2007 01:15 PM

BENOIT DIDNT DO THAT SHIT MANNNNN

Xero 06-28-2007 01:53 PM

The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead.

The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment.

wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. The police department did not return calls for comment.

It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.

From PWInsider.

Holy shit.

I want to say that it was some false information (or Fox News is pulling this out of their ass), but the fact that it came from Stamford leads me to believe someone knew something was up.

Theo Dious 06-28-2007 01:55 PM

That's... odd... god dammit, why does this have to keep getting freaky. Hopefully it was just some stupid ass.

Blitz 06-28-2007 01:57 PM

Goddamn. This just keeps getting weirder.


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