I included the full thing instead of deleting the "c'mon"

Clark Kent wearing a hoody doesn't seem like Twilight. I don't know how else to put that.

And the "c'mon" was a reaction to the (still) silly comparison, whether you say it or some writer for Yahoo says it. Other than that I don't know why you think I'm avoiding the obvious tones of the reboot. You're going off the deep here.

What about the rest? Don't patronize me here. The posts are all up there to read.

And I'm slightly miffed at the comment about me being a mouthpiece for DC. I don't even consider it an insult, but the intention was unwarranted.

Rest of what? Every post I made since were a reaction to your reaction. And yeah, they're all up there to see.

See there's the rub. You seem to disagree on what the intentions of this overhaul are. You disregard the article, and that's fine. But you also seem to need a press release from DC to see this for what it really is.

They're trying to make it hip and sexy, and the change is a lot more than just a hoodie. From your first post you seem to be in disagreement that it's the least bit of a Twilight-generation makeover, and I think that's bullshit.
It doesn't have to literally be "Twilight." He's not a vampire, at least not yet. But "Twilight" is a certain trend or style that is dominant in pop culture and "in." They're quite clearly trying to capture that vibe. I guess this can't be proven without an official "stance" from DC, like you requested, but the publisher's statement and the writing on the wall make it quite obvious what is going on.

How is it a silly comparion? Like I said, you tried to paint it as though it's just nomral Superman in a hoodie. C'mon yourself.

I don't see moody, sexy youth oriented stories as a 'Twilight generation' thing, though. That shit's as old as Swan's Crossing.

Sorry to have miffed you, but I was miffed from you writing off the comparison as silly (just a hoodie) from the get-go

AND I DIDN'T PAINT SHIT. Please stop that. You're reading context and tone that isn't there.

Was I supposed to mention everything about the damn reboot? lol You seem to be fixated on my singular mention of the now infamous hoody.

But Twilight is "in." They're trying to tap into that directly. You see what I'm saying here? That's where all this shit is stemming from in pop-culture. Our culture loves to connect and copy from an original source of a trend.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous to not see this as Twilight-era Superman, but whatever.

He's creeping very close to Batman here with this brooding, pale, potential athlete thing he's got going on. Might be time for Bruce to curbstomp him in yet another universe. :shifty:

You add the vampire thing and you have a legitimate bat man.

You're right, Superman wearing a hoodie alone doesn't make him a Twilight-esque makeover, but in conjunction with a Blue Steel facial expression, "smoldering eyes", paler skin, a brooding personality and "hipster style", I would say it does.
That's why I'm harping on the hoodie comment. Because you seemed to try to write off the comparisons as simply stemming from that, rather than just commenting on that one component. I have a hard time believing that's not what you meant, but okay.

Before I saw a word of an article, I saw the picture and the headline "Superman gets an edgy makeover" and thought the exact same thing. I didn't need someone to suggest it was in reaction to Twilight shit to make the connection. And I think that's the point of the entire makeover.

And I don't want it to seem like I'm on a crusade against Twilight because I'm really not. I fully understand why they'd attempt this. I'm just conscious to the trend in pop culture and I definitely recognize when it's being capitalized on.

Cause I'd totally lie about this sort of thing. There's so much on the line for me.

I'm not saying you're lying. It just seems like you're often trying to disarm any and all criticism in these threads. Even if it means ignoring certain things blatantly. I know you're going to say you don't and that I'm just assuming you were writing off my comparison as silly and one-dimensional, but whatever.
I'm not trying to miff you. You're one of my favorite posters here in movies/tv/books. It's just a peeve.

Funny, I was told to calm down about this sort of thing in the past. I'd slam some approach DC or Marvel had and people would tell me to lighten up (these occurrences are not exclusive to this thread). And I'm not saying you were in on that, of course.

Lately I've been super-open about what these companies do with their IPs. There's a few reasons that aren't worth getting into for that, but mostly I've gotten new perspectives on things. The flip side is, yes, I find myself on the production's side more often as a result.

Eh, we'll live.

Like I said, just an observation/peeve. Not a real problem with you as I'd rather have something to disagree on in these threads than nothing to talk about at all.
It wasn't meant to be as much of a dick comment as it probably actually ended up being. I'm just a dick though.

You're mean and hostile.

I, for one, am actually looking forward to the Superman: Earth One graphic novel, and will probably purchase it soon.

Even though JMS' stuff on the in-continuity Superman has been kinda iffy so far.

Oh God...don't remind me....and holy crap is that some awful artwork - why are his proportions so squat and chunky?

I've made it a point to avoid everything J Michael Straczynski does ever since Sins Past, and since Superman: Earth One is a separate continuity, I can thankfully remain completely indifferent to hoodie Supes.

[EDIT: I've seen a little bit more of Superman: Earth One and am relieved to say that Superman's costume is pretty much still the regular costume, and that the hoodie and whatnot is just part of his Clark Kent outfit to cover it up. That, I can live with.]

Just read Superman: Earth One.

As I expected, there were parts that I was kinda "meh" on, and parts I loved. As far as "modern" Superman origins go, I liked it better than Superman: Secret Origin, but not better than Superman: Birthright.

Definitely made with "sequels" in mind.

Yeah, I know that they're planning on keeping the Earth One thing going, releasing a new volume of it every year. I'll reserve actual judgment until I read it, but considering my usual disdain for JMS, that may be a while.

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Haven't been in this thread for a while, but heard about that 'new-look Superman'... come on seriously, it's still the same boring guy who never dies and is invincible etc, and it's only a new look in the way that in six months time they'll revert back to canon and this will be forgotten about.

What new look?

I thought that emo 'Clark Kent with a hoodie' thing was a new look. I'm a bit behind on my DC comics so obviously I'm wrong. :p

To your credit, a slight shitstorm was caused over that cover. People were hasty, even though a design pin-up for the classic costume from the same series was posted before.

So what's the deal then? No new look at all? Superman just decided to wear a jumper that screamed teenage angst?

Yes.

Lol DC.

Don't miss the whole truth. DC decided to have Superman decide to wear a jumper and scream teenage angst.
What their motives are in that decision is under debate by Kalyx and myself, but I think it's quite obvious.

Also, for the record, he does wear the costume.... and it is not in continuity. It is an alternate world. "Earth One".

Regular Superman is still around.

Yea, I know that. Sort of like an Ultimates thing I guess. I don't even think it's that big a deal, don't get me wrong. I also have seen the art for when he's actually in Superman mode and it's just fine.

i just think its funny to see the joker talk about boners

There was a thread years ago where someone posted funny pictures from comics. Only one I can remember is Captain America, or the Hulk, or someone punching someone else, and the sound effect was 'WANK'. :lol:

I really liked Superman for All Seasons. All Star Superman was really good, but I could ha ve done without parts of it. Superman dying from Cancer is a great idea though.

So I bought every trade from JLA (the second volume of justice league) and I'm pretty split on it. Pretty much all the early stories are pretty meh, with Tower of Babel being the exception. Early Kyle Rayner is pretty fucking awful, and I'm amazed he lasted long enough to become a likeable character. Don't get me started on how dumb Zauriel is. It does kick up and get pretty good at about the halfway point,(Coincidentaly, post-90's. Imagine that.) but it never really gets great. Was surprised, as I'm a big fan of Grant Morrison, but his early work is just really generic, and doesn't take any of the bold moves that he's known for.

Then I got The Tornado's Path, which is the first trade in the third, and current volume of the Justice League. Just read it and holy shit, it's miles above any of the JLA trades. It's actually better than a lot of the big crossovers I've read. Planning on getting every trade now, like I did for JSA.

On a side note, I have to mention one gripe I have with the industry today, and that is this trend of releasing generic covers that just have a pin up shot of the main character or team standing there looking impressive.. Those are fine once and a while but for years now, most issues do this. I miss the days when the cover told you what was happening inside.

That was the best part about 52. Every single cover was awesome and involved the plot of the story within. I actually just ordered a trade that is nothing but the covers from 52. Just amazing work, right there.

Also, I always thought Vixen was lame, but not anymore. Had he shining moment in The Tornado's path. Always hated the character, but I still marked out like a bitch when it happened. The lead in to it was that good. The art also made her look crazy badass as well.

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Looks awesome

Little off topic but this has been bugging me and I thought I might find some good answers here so here goes,why are villians portrayed as being so afraid of Batman (baring maybe the joker who is just gay for him in his own mass murdering psychotic way) I mean granted hes intimidating and its been said that even people who aren't afraid of Superman fear Batman (which is lampshaded twice in the JL/JLU animated shows) At some point they do have realize hes a mortal man an extraordinary mortal but a mortal nonetheless and yet they hand wave the threats of a man who could tear them apart like wet paper.

Comments ? thoughts?

Also, Ed Benes is an amazing artist.

Probably because he's a mortal man who was trained by all the best asskickers on earth, who has all the best gadgets to assist in asskickery, who has nothing better to do with his time than indulge in asskickery and has no qualms about unleashing said asskickery on anyone who fucks with his town?

Maybe because they don't know that he's a mortal man?

Well I would say by now all his regular villains know he's a mortal man, and are simply scared of how damn good he is. (He is the god damned Batman afterall.) Common street thugs still speculate though.

Haven't read any of the old JLA stuff, but have read the current Justice League series from the beginning. It starts off great, with tons of potential, but kind of... I dunno... just dies. Only now is it starting to recover again.

Well Brad Meltzer only wrote for 13 issues, so I'm going to take a shot in the dark, and say that's when it start's to taper off.


Also, Meltzer >>>>>>>> Garth Ennis

Ennis writes some really good stories in Preacher, and the boys, but he tries too hard to appeal to the mature audience.

One single disgusting, brutal moment, that has been properly built up to, has way more meaning and impact than a comic full of the stuff. Meltzer knows this, and it's why Identity Crisis and Tornado's path hit so hard. I've suspected Ennis was overrated for a while now, and this just confirms it.

That Green Lantern film looks cool, but not too keen on the costume, what's up with it looking really CGI.

It is CGI. I was hoping it would look better since they were so inclined to do it this way, but it still came off obvious. Everything else is alright.

Yeah, the effects and everything looks cool, but fuck when he goes into his costume it's stands out like a great big massive... CGI costume!!!

I saw an ad in the newspaper for Batman Live, any ideas?

That must be the live tour they're planning for Batman. Not a musical, but some kind of stage production.

Weird.

Damn that Green Lantern costume looks pretty bad in places. I was afraid of that. The rest looks okay I guess. Not much to see other than a few quick shots though.

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Hmmmm. Dunno about this, if true.

http://io9.com/5692485/watch-the-six...-supervillains

No YouTube link yet. The show looks great.

I will go see that Batman live thing, no doubt

Still on the fence.

Anybody see Brave and The Bold: The Knights of Tomorrow?

Awesome stuff.

Possible Overview of Superman Reboot:

"[Kent is] a young journalist, traveling for the globe, who would rather solve problems and help people without resorting to using his special powers. When he is compelled to use his secret powers to intervene in a crisis in West Africa, Clark returns to Smallville to learn more about his origins and the hero he was born to be."

It's been noted as sounding like Batman Begins, but I personally see a bit of Birthright in there. Also:

People need to calm down. Snyder loves to pretty up shots but this shit about Avatar-ish Superman doesn't even describe his style. Goode as Superman may work, but I'll miss Routh.

Unless Doomsday rises from the plains of West Africa, I'm not sold on this shit at all.

Plus, a CG Superman? Fuck that. This isn't Doctor Manhattan for Christ's sake.

Withholding judgment, because Snyder made 300 and Sucker Punch.

Hmmm......well, sounds like they're pulling the opening sequence right out of Birthright, which is my absolute favorite version of the origin-story, so I'm happy with that.

I'll reserve judgment on how CGing Superman will turn out. I'm assuming they mean for when he's actually flying around and moving at super-speed and whatnot, because the idea of him just being all CGI all the time makes no sense. Unless the whole world is also CGI and they're going for a Beowulf sort of thing.

Also, why does everyone want them to do Doomsday? He's a fucking bland and boring monster (I can't even really call him a "villain" or even a "character," because literally all he does is roar and break stuff), which would make for some pretty dull storytelling without being backed up by more interesting villains. Not to mention that since the only notable thing Doomsday ever did was the Death of Superman (which was a pretty shitty comic itself, honestly), it makes no sense whatsoever for him to be in the very first movie of a new series, since y'know, they're trying to start a new series instead of end it.

They should stop dicking around and give us 'corporate criminal' Luthor, perhaps played by the guy from Dexter. That's my favorite Luthor and he would absolutely be a topical villain. And if they're making a tale around the nature of having great power, perhaps they should toss Parasite in there. Raimi liked to form a story and choose villains that fit within Peter's current struggle, so if this Superman is learning about having power he should face someone who mistreats the notion.

Parasite would of course be a product of Luthor Corp, not that Lex would be convicted of anything.

I've never been a fan of evil corporate Lex, at least when that's the dominant part of his character-- it always came off as a second rate ripoff of Norman Osborn or Kingpin to me. I don't mind it when Lexcorp and everything else is just a by-product of him being a mega genius, since that was able to combine the modern evil billionaire with the old world-conquering mad scientist. Something closer to how Lex was in the Justice League cartoons.

But then, that's mostly because I prefer villains to be more hands-on and large scale, instead of just setting someone else to take the fall. Kingpin is probably my absolute least favorite villain for that exact reason.

But those are the most effective villains! I remember Roland Dagget in Batman TAS, and getting legitimately pissed when he walked off a scene clean when we all knew he cause a lot of messes. So when the hero gets his hands on a villain like that, it can be very satisfying.

In the case of street-level heroes like Batman, sure, villains like that work. But if you're going to have a legitimate arch-enemy for Superman, he needs to be every bit as massive-scale as he is, someone who's just as much of a threat to the entire human race as Superman is a benefit to it. Not someone who sits around in his office going on about how "untouchable" he is.

Not to sound like one of those nerds but Luthor Corp is international, there's branches all over the world. I'd readily believe it has a private military, though no stories presented that far as I know.

Well, I'm not saying to not have Lexcorp/Luthorcorp as an element of it; most of my favorite Luthor stories have it in there. And I really don't want to see him running around in that ridiculous green battle-suit that he started wearing in the early 80s. But I've always felt that Lex is the kind of guy who's bent more on gaining genuine power rather than just making money, using his company and his wealth as just another means to an end for some even bigger master plan. Post-Crisis Luthor (especially during Byrne's original run) was more just bent on making himself richer, which to me made him less of an actual villain and more of just a dick.

I prefer the Armani suits and the giant tower to the old days of the purple spandex (or the real-estate schemes from the Donner movies), but to me, the obsessive megalomaniac is a far more interesting villain than a guy who just wants his stocks to rise a little higher.

I thought Luthor was traditional motivated toward world domination, influence, power... It's always more than money for him. I merely left that without saying. I pretty much agree with you, just want you to know I'm not talking about some strictly CEO Lex.

Ah, I gotcha. Again, when I think of people talking about "Lexcorp Lex," I always think of late 80s John Byrne-era Lex, who again, was just kind of a half-assed ripoff of Kingpin. Which isn't surprising, since so much of Byrne-era Supes felt like just a half-assed ripoff of the late 80s Marvel universe.

History repeats itself with Green "Iron Man" Lantern. Though I hope in doing so, the movie still entertains.

Goode is way too scrawny. Hope he bulks up, if it's true.

Dunno, evil corporate Luthor was absolutely amazing in 52.

He'd obviously work out, that's a given.

I love the smallville portrayal of luther after he made the final turn and became legit evil

Young Justice was awesome.

was just about to post about that. yeah, young justice pilot was fantastic. really enjoyed it. i like the new aqualad too. slightly different origin to the comic for obvious reasons but still has useful powers that make him > aquaman.

I was really impressed with Young Justice. Like, pretty much every part of the pilot I enjoyed.

The characters were generally well-written (though I could've done without Speedy, tbh), and Robin and Aqualad had plenty of awesome moments in particular. The art style is really cool looking, and most of the animation is great. I like the inclusion of pretty much the entire Justice League as well, something that I really thought was missing from the Teen Titans cartoon, and I'm quite interested in seeing where they're going to go with the show's villains.

I'm sure there are a few snagging points I could complain about, but the positives of the show really outweigh the negatives. If the rest of the show is as good as the pilot, then I'm sold.

I was neither over or underwhelmed by the pilot.

There are elements that make me want to keep watching, and other things that make me go "meh". I will probably watch a few more episodes.

One thing I will say is that I really really really hate The Guardian's redesign.

Nevertheless, I hope Cadmus sticks around. I have a feeling the story there isn't anywhere close to done, especially with Amanda Spence (the black scientist chick) still around (She was a big villain in the Superboy comics).

I dunno, I kinda liked Guardian's look--it made him look more like a super-cop and less like a Captain America knockoff.

I guess I see your point.

Still, just one of those things I am gonna hate no matter what because I love The Guardian in the comics.

Quick, someone photoshop this.

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......into what?

:lol:

Superman. Isn't that the guy rumored to be playing him in the 'reboot'?

In the race to replace Smallville after it's [presumed] final season, DC/WB is conceptualizing Teen Titan's Raven for television. A surprisingly rumor, but kinda likely. The occult and supernatural has been successful for WB before, with Supernatural now and Charmed in the past. Her popularity in the Teen Titans cartoon lifted her from the shadows of DC's roster. Her back story is also more open to presentation than that stupid Robin show they were so close to doing.

Or they could just do Gotham City PD and cast young police recruits. That's just me.

They should call it That's So Raven.

One of the few times I actually lol'd while typing it.

Don't really care about Raven at all.

DC has announced that it will launch an ongoing Red Lantern comic series, to be written by Peter Milligan, in 2011. Red Lantern will build on concepts introduced in the core Green Lantern series by DC CCO Geoff Johns, who asked Milligan to write the book.



According to Milligan, the new series will focus first on the far side of the prison planet Ysmault, where the story will explore why and how the rage of Atrocitus remains all-consuming.

Really don't see any potential in an ongoing Red Lantern series.

Yeah.

Ugh. Mini-series would be fine. Hate this because the Green Lantern series is starteing to get really overexposed. And I do not want to get sick of Green Lantern, like I got sick of Venom.

I think Batman has something ridiculous like six or seven books now. Not including stuff like Batgirl, Batwoman, Red Robin, Gotham City Sirens, and the dozens of Batman miniseries that they always seem to have going.

I don't mind every member of the Bat-family having a book. What I hate is one character having a few books. This is worse in Marvel than DC, though.

I remember a panel where Daredevil was asked to join the New Avengers, and I don't know if the writer wanted to share a point, but DD said he had enough going on in his life, "And I don't know how Peter [Parker] does so much in one month."