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Mr. Nerfect 05-23-2019 02:21 AM

Cody posted an image on Twitter of him, Dean Malenko and Tony Khan about to board a plane heading to DoN.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-23-2019 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5254497)
I like the idea of putting it on Jericho and then building someone up to take it off of him. They’ve only got one chance to have a “first ever champion “. Make it a legendary name.

Not to mention, the chase is where the money is at. Put it on a piece shit heel like Jericho. Build up a babyface to chase him and make that kid a star in the process. I'm all for Jericho being the first champ. Also gives him the gimmick similar to the "first undisputed champion" schtick.

Mr. Nerfect 05-23-2019 02:29 AM

I think "the money is in the chase" is a bit of a myth. Especially in modern wrestling when people's immediate interest seems to be in the performance. I can already hear the bitching if Jericho wins the belt first, with people tuning out because it's "just like WWE" (regardless of whether or not they have a plan for Jericho or not).

What would make potential fans the happiest? Would it be for Jericho to be a heel parading around for a few months as champion, because he's the guy with the most recognition to people who aren't watching, or him being shoved on his ass and being humbled up and sent back to the drawing board?

Mr. Nerfect 05-23-2019 02:32 AM

If they can find a babyface that people definitely want to watch, then that's probably more beneficial than having the belt on a heel just to mimic what used to work in territory wrestling, because you'd have a bunch of territory babyfaces that were built up. Omega is your territory babyface -- build him up. Hangman Page could be that guy in a few years, so while he shouldn't lose all the time, he can be the young guy with potential a heel like Jericho walks over to re-build him for title matches and the like -- eventually putting the guy over down the line, when you've pumped stakes and story into it.

I don't think there's one way to skin the cat in this situation. Jericho would not suck, from my perspective, as first champ. I just think it would be colder than people think to viewers that stopped watching WWE when Jericho meant something there.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-23-2019 02:45 AM

Modern wrestling still uses the heel being chased. We just saw it with Kofi and Rollins. Other than Omega, who may not want to book himself as champ given his stature in the company, they don't have any babyface stars. They're going to have to create them. Trying to do that on your second ppv in your first 4 months or so is a big ask. Putting the belt on a guy and expecting them to be over doesn't typically work. Jericho is useful here. Putting the belt on him to start doesn't automatically mean people are going to think it's just like wwe.

Mr. Nerfect 05-23-2019 02:46 AM

Lol, Rollins and Kofi aren't exactly setting the world on fire, are they? I'm not sure you create these babyfaces stars by booking everyone under Jericho for months. I think it comes with an element of risk.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-23-2019 02:47 AM

Not to mention Jericho winning doesn't necessarily not make fans happy. They shouldn't jump the gun and hot shot a guy strictly to make fans happy. We'll see what they do but given how unknown their roster is I can't see why putting the belt on an established star who you know will put a young guy over well and try to make him would be a bad start.

Mr. Nerfect 05-23-2019 02:48 AM

But that's what they've got a chance to do at Double or Nothing, lol -- use Jericho to make a guy. It's not hot-shotting to put a babyface over in the main event of your first PPV.

Mr. Nerfect 05-23-2019 02:55 AM

People tuning it may not know who Kenny Omega is, but they might ask "Who is Kenny Omega?" And the answer might be "Oh, he's the best wrestler in the company." You can't really say that with any sort of honesty if you've got a 50-year-old Jericho walking around with the belt because Omega done goofed. Keep it simple.

Fignuts 05-23-2019 03:49 AM

I think it's a situation where it doesn't really matter which way they go. You could do a lot of great stuff with either direction.

Personally I'm in the Jericho camp. It is indeed great to see a character like Jericho get humble. But I also think it's even better when it's built up really well. Jericho is their biggest and best heel. I think for a guy so good at being a shithead, the payoff should come a little later.

Also, Kenny is kind of a weird guy. He may not click with everyone in the mainstream audiences right away. But Kenny chasing the belt being held by one of his arch rivals and certainly his arch nemesis in AEW, is a story that will adhere him to people very well. Because I do believe Omega should be the one to dethrone Jericho.

While I don't believe the money is always in the chase, I think in this case, it's a really good option.

But like I said before, given the talent involved I'm confident they can make it work regardless who wins.

Jordan 05-23-2019 09:08 AM

I think Jericho is gonna screw Kenny and get his win that way we can get a rubber match down the road. And as far as Jericho's tweet to Lesnar, who cares.

Jordan 05-23-2019 09:11 AM

Further explanation of my thinking...

AEW "wants" to develop something with NJPW so they can exchange talent. They've already got some talent with verbal deals like Jericho and Omega. Perhaps giving Jericho a win over Omega makes Gedo happy so that Jericho comes in strong against Okada for their IWGP Championship bout in June, soon after Double or Nothing.

Also leaves the door open for the third match, which could take place on an AEW show or perhaps even on an NJPW show. And then there is the outside chance that Jericho is getting a run with the IWGP Championship, in that case it would be a great idea to have Omega lose to Jericho at Double or Nothing when neither of them have a championship, but AEW has announced the winner of Jericho/Omega at Double or Nothing will be #1 contender against he winner of the Battle Royal. And I think it would make the AEW championship match mean a hell of a lot more if the IWGP Champion was apart of it, and even won it to become a dual champion. And that would be so Jericho wouldn't it?

Sepholio 05-23-2019 10:43 AM

Let me preface this by saying Chris Jericho is one of my legit 3 favorite wrestlers ever, and I personally think he is the best I've ever seen in terms of pure talent. My other 2 favorites are not in the same league as him (Tazz and Kevin Nash) and are just people I enjoyed for whatever reasons.

Jericho should not be the first champion. No way in hell. Really bad look for them to have a 50 year old ex-WWE main eventer as their first champion when they are trying to be an alternative. You could do it by having Jericho when via shenanigans, but then you have your first main event not being a clean match and ending fuzzy and again, is that really a way to present yourself as an alternative to WWE?

Then there's Jericho's recent comments in regards to Lesnar. The ones about a 40 year old taking spots from the younger guys......and then just a few days later he's going to win the title in a new companies first major event? And he's 50??? Talk about taking spots from the younger talent. Not a good look there. At all.

If they are going to go the route of a dirty finish of some type and not have Jericho do the job I would hope they would find some way to end it in a double KO. Not a count out outside the ring, not a DQ. A double KO. No one leaves as champion, you have an excellent match, everyone looks strong, the fans are left wanting more and to see who is going to get that belt in the end. And it's not stereotypical WWE.

Edit: Forgot the winner faces the winner of that battle royale and it's not for the title directly. So I dunno what you would do here honestly. I take back the double KO finish idea because I don't want the eventual first title match to be a triple threat. I'd still say Omega has to go over unless Jericho goes over dirty and they have a rematch for the title shot as a blow off match.

Volare 05-23-2019 10:47 AM

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Sepholio 05-23-2019 10:51 AM

And with the winner facing the winner of the battle royale at a later date that would mean making Jericho champion would require him to go over 2 younger talents. Uhg on that idea.

Maybe they could have Jericho go over Omega in their match and then have Omega enter the battle royale later and somehow manage to survive and win it. That could potentially work.

Evil Vito 05-23-2019 10:54 AM

It sounds like the planned booking was meant to be Omega/Jericho and Page/PAC being the two matches to determine the first title match. And then Omega was going to go over PAC.

But with Dragongate deciding they wanted PAC to keep their belt longer, and PAC is refusing to lose singles matches while he's their champion so as to not cheapen it for whoever takes that belt off of him...that forced them to alter their plans so that now the battle royal winner faces the winner of Jericho/Omega instead.

At this point I think Hangman might simply enter the battle royal and win. Letting him hang with Kenny will help establish him fairly quickly, and if the plans were always for Kenny to be the first champion they can continue to go that route.

Given the stipulation, if it's not Hangman it surely has to be Moxley. Can't imagine their first ever title match would just feature some random scrub.

slik 05-23-2019 11:25 AM

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Damian Rey 2.0 05-23-2019 11:47 AM

Refreshing. Let's see if they can maintain that long termapproach.

#1-norm-fan 05-23-2019 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5254572)
Let me preface this by saying Chris Jericho is one of my legit 3 favorite wrestlers ever, and I personally think he is the best I've ever seen in terms of pure talent. My other 2 favorites are not in the same league as him (Tazz and Kevin Nash) and are just people I enjoyed for whatever reasons.

Jericho should not be the first champion. No way in hell. Really bad look for them to have a 50 year old ex-WWE main eventer as their first champion when they are trying to be an alternative. You could do it by having Jericho when via shenanigans, but then you have your first main event not being a clean match and ending fuzzy and again, is that really a way to present yourself as an alternative to WWE?

Then there's Jericho's recent comments in regards to Lesnar. The ones about a 40 year old taking spots from the younger guys......and then just a few days later he's going to win the title in a new companies first major event? And he's 50??? Talk about taking spots from the younger talent. Not a good look there. At all.

If they are going to go the route of a dirty finish of some type and not have Jericho do the job I would hope they would find some way to end it in a double KO. Not a count out outside the ring, not a DQ. A double KO. No one leaves as champion, you have an excellent match, everyone looks strong, the fans are left wanting more and to see who is going to get that belt in the end. And it's not stereotypical WWE.

Edit: Forgot the winner faces the winner of that battle royale and it's not for the title directly. So I dunno what you would do here honestly. I take back the double KO finish idea because I don't want the eventual first title match to be a triple threat. I'd still say Omega has to go over unless Jericho goes over dirty and they have a rematch for the title shot as a blow off match.

Jericho signed for 3 years so he’s in it for the long haul. I don’t think his age should be an issue. HBK was the best wrestler in WWE by far in the mid 2000s. But since he was “old”, he was treated like an over the hill legend who existed to get others over when he should have probably been getting serious world title reigns. It was stupid. Age should not factor in.

And as far as the hypocrisy of his Lesnar comments, it fits right in with his heel character. Troll the internet and be a hypocritical bastard. It’s harder and harder to make a heel nowadays. If you’ve gotta can me off as a scummy guy online to do it, so be it.

Also, the fact that he was a WWE main eventer shouldn’t factor in. He’s a star. Showcase him while you’re building homegrown talent. This isn’t TNA taking anyone who ever had a cup of coffee in WWE and making them champion over all their guys for a decade +. It’s a new company putting the title on their biggest star and then, hopefully trying to build up their own guys organically instead of just throwing the title on a midcard guy and crossing their fingers ala WWE. Make the title a big deal and THEN put it on the star you made.

Volare 05-23-2019 12:10 PM

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#1-norm-fan 05-23-2019 12:11 PM

And are these recent Jericho comments more than just that sarcastic tweet he sent about Lesnar? Has he said more on the subject that I missed?

Volare 05-23-2019 12:19 PM

He has cut plenty of promos about being in the ring makes soandso a bigger deal because of Jericho's name. Can easily run that.

slik 05-23-2019 12:23 PM

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Volare 05-23-2019 01:29 PM

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Sepholio 05-23-2019 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5254596)
Jericho signed for 3 years so he’s in it for the long haul. I don’t think his age should be an issue. HBK was the best wrestler in WWE by far in the mid 2000s. But since he was “old”, he was treated like an over the hill legend who existed to get others over when he should have probably been getting serious world title reigns. It was stupid. Age should not factor in.

And as far as the hypocrisy of his Lesnar comments, it fits right in with his heel character. Troll the internet and be a hypocritical bastard. It’s harder and harder to make a heel nowadays. If you’ve gotta can me off as a scummy guy online to do it, so be it.

Also, the fact that he was a WWE main eventer shouldn’t factor in. He’s a star. Showcase him while you’re building homegrown talent. This isn’t TNA taking anyone who ever had a cup of coffee in WWE and making them champion over all their guys for a decade +. It’s a new company putting the title on their biggest star and then, hopefully trying to build up their own guys organically instead of just throwing the title on a midcard guy and crossing their fingers ala WWE. Make the title a big deal and THEN put it on the star you made.

I thought we wanted AEW to be an alternative to WWE. Not more of the same. WWE gets shit on when they bring in legends and thrust them into the main event. Everyone whines about it.....but hey this is AEW so it's fucking awesome to bring in an old legend and thrust them into the main event. WHAT?

And we're just going to dismiss the shit Jericho said on twitter because hey it conveniently fits in with him being a heel? LOL that's rich. Do we give Lars a pass for saying racist shit because it's totally a heel move and he was just setting up his character to be hated?

It's like you're picking and choosing when certain things are acceptable based solely on the company/person doing them. People/companies you like get a pass, the ones you don't get grief.

I'm probably just too high and reading too much into this. You're probably just shilling for Jericho (can't blame you, he is the titties) or AEW.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-23-2019 01:58 PM

Jericho made himself relevant on that scene with his awesome performances in New Japan. He didn't just get 'thrust' into the scene OUTTA NOWHERE

Sepholio 05-23-2019 01:58 PM

Also age does matter. Let's not pretend it doesn't. When competing at the highest levels of any physical event it usually tends to be age that causes people to start dropping off in skill/strength/speed at an ever increasing rate. There is a huge difference between Jericho now at 50, and Jericho 10 years ago or 20 years ago. I wouldn't have an issue at all with a 40-42 (give or take here, but not much older) y/o Jericho being in this spot at the onset of AEW. But he's 50 now. He's not the same guy he was. 50 is.....pushing it to be acting like he's the best you've got when you have a bunch of physically superior guys that are 10-25 years younger.

Sepholio 05-23-2019 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5254611)
Jericho made himself relevant on that scene with his awesome performances in New Japan. He didn't just get 'thrust' into the scene OUTTA NOWHERE

And Jericho is always in the main event or adjacent to it in WWE. But he isn't universal champion. I just don't think he should be the first champion. It's not a good look to me. I'm probably using the term main event too liberally here because I don't mean it as in the whole main event scene, I mean it as in the main event of this particular show. That's the context I'm talking about here.

And I'll reiterate because of your point; I take issue with how Jericho recently talked about Brock. Brock didn't just randomly get thrust into the main event; he's the most credible guy in the business just because of his UFC run, like it or not. Brock is far more believable as a credible champion at this point. FAR MORE.

AEW needs to be presenting itself as something entirely different. I have no issue with Jericho being at the top of the card in terms of programs he's working. But I want that first champion to be someone awesome that is different, that hasn't been a long time WWE guy, that isn't old and nearing the sunset of his career, someone AEW can build into THEIR guy. Taking legends from WWE and making them your champion for a quick draw is so TNA.

Lock Jaw 05-23-2019 02:44 PM

Just found out the PPV is on Saturday.... working anyways... not that I'd get it for 50 bucks....

slik 05-23-2019 02:59 PM

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xrodmuc316 05-23-2019 05:44 PM

Anybody read the latest Jim Ross bullshit interview with ESPN??

Sits there saying the people who run WWE are "administrative" but don't know wrestling.

Could this asshole be gripping any harder???

He is legit turning me off on him having any involvement in AEW.

Does this dumb prick really not realize he is working for a dude that used his daddy's money to subscribe to the fucking wrestling observer newsletter, and that somehow means he "knows wrestling"??

I want AEW to stand in its own, not be the newest place ex WWE people go to bury WWE because they aren't as important to WWE as they think and WWE did them wrong.

JR trying to turn this into TNA version 2.0 because he has an axe to grind. Boomer Sooner blaaaaaah

xrodmuc316 05-23-2019 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5254596)
Jericho signed for 3 years so he’s in it for the long haul. I don’t think his age should be an issue. HBK was the best wrestler in WWE by far in the mid 2000s. But since he was “old”, he was treated like an over the hill legend who existed to get others over when he should have probably been getting serious world title reigns. It was stupid. Age should not factor in.

And as far as the hypocrisy of his Lesnar comments, it fits right in with his heel character. Troll the internet and be a hypocritical bastard. It’s harder and harder to make a heel nowadays. If you’ve gotta can me off as a scummy guy online to do it, so be it.

Also, the fact that he was a WWE main eventer shouldn’t factor in. He’s a star. Showcase him while you’re building homegrown talent. This isn’t TNA taking anyone who ever had a cup of coffee in WWE and making them champion over all their guys for a decade +. It’s a new company putting the title on their biggest star and then, hopefully trying to build up their own guys organically instead of just throwing the title on a midcard guy and crossing their fingers ala WWE. Make the title a big deal and THEN put it on the star you made.

Shawn Michaels retired at 44 years old.

And as great as Jericho is, he was never 'The Top Guy".

It's really not an Apple to Apple comparison saying a 48 year old is the same thing as the guy many consider the best ever was at 44 when he retired.

And no it doesn't play into his heel character, he is trying to be a babyface to AEW fans despite being a heel within the company, by bashing WWE, because like I just posted about JR, the BEST WAY to get a new company over is by having EX WWE guys talk about how bad WWE is.

WWE is frustrating as hell, so why would I go out of my way to watch a DIFFERENT show that is talking about WWE. It is the dumbest business model I have ever heard of.

Emperor Smeat 05-23-2019 06:30 PM

Observer confirmed the rumors from Jericho's recent podcast show of AEW being on ITV for the UK market.

Still waiting for AEW to officially decide which day of the week to run their weekly show before the deal can be made official.

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Originally Posted by Observer Newsletter
The move will come three months after what is expected to be AEW’s debut on ITV 4 in October with a regular live television show. The AEW deal is not official, but Cody strongly hinted at it on Being the Elite and Chris Jericho has talked about it on his podcast. ITV 4 will be airing both a Countdown like show for Double or Nothing on 5/24 and the one-hour Buy In show, as well as handle the PPV show in the U.K. market on ITV Box Office. The final deal is said to be not official until TNA decides whether to run the weekly two-hour live show on Tuesday or Wednesday nights. The hope is for ITV 4 to run the show live.


Ol Dirty Dastard 05-23-2019 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5254655)
Anybody read the latest Jim Ross bullshit interview with ESPN??

Sits there saying the people who run WWE are "administrative" but don't know wrestling.

Could this asshole be gripping any harder???

He is legit turning me off on him having any involvement in AEW.

Does this dumb prick really not realize he is working for a dude that used his daddy's money to subscribe to the fucking wrestling observer newsletter, and that somehow means he "knows wrestling"??

I want AEW to stand in its own, not be the newest place ex WWE people go to bury WWE because they aren't as important to WWE as they think and WWE did them wrong.

JR trying to turn this into TNA version 2.0 because he has an axe to grind. Boomer Sooner blaaaaaah

Dude, why are you looking for reasons to hate AEW? It's bordering on creepy at this point. Don't understand your 'deal.' Your posts are annoying as fuck and you add little to no insight.

Fignuts 05-23-2019 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5254655)
Anybody read the latest Jim Ross bullshit interview with ESPN??

Sits there saying the people who run WWE are "administrative" but don't know wrestling.

Could this asshole be gripping any harder???

He is legit turning me off on him having any involvement in AEW.

Does this dumb prick really not realize he is working for a dude that used his daddy's money to subscribe to the fucking wrestling observer newsletter, and that somehow means he "knows wrestling"??

I want AEW to stand in its own, not be the newest place ex WWE people go to bury WWE because they aren't as important to WWE as they think and WWE did them wrong.

JR trying to turn this into TNA version 2.0 because he has an axe to grind. Boomer Sooner blaaaaaah

He’s not wrong.

And if you watch interviews with Tony Khan, it’s clear that he has a genuine love for pro wrestling. He may not know wrestling as well as someone who’s worked in the industry but I’d bet money he knows a lot more than the execs in WWE.

Emperor Smeat 05-23-2019 07:25 PM

More details on PAC-Page being pulled from Double or Nothing:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer Newsletter
The feeling here is that beating Page had to be a big deal and lead to a major main event, because they are positioning Page as a big star. If it’s not to set up a match with Omega, Jericho or Cody, nobody should be beating Page. You could do a DQ, and many would, or a draw. They made the decision that they wanted winners and losers when you pay for a PPV. To not adhere to that concept on the first show basically ruins the concept they are pushing right out of the gate. They were not going to sacrifice the entire concept of what they were building to get out of a match.

As far as the draw idea goes, that had problems as well. They could have done it, but there were a number of reasons why they didn’t. First, Tony Khan was at the Revolution Pro show where Pac and Will Ospreay did a 30:00 draw in what was an easy ****3/4 match. But as great as the match was, the fans booed the draw. Khan didn’t want that reaction on his show, and also noted it wasn’t just that match, but other Pac draws in the U.K. had gotten similar reactions, noting another great match with Zack Sabre Jr ... He didn’t want a negative reaction like that on the debut show.

Also seems they already timed out the matches for DoN's card so a draw result was out of the question unless more changes were made. Also wanted to save their first draw result for a much bigger match in the future.

xrodmuc316 05-23-2019 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5254683)
Dude, why are you looking for reasons to hate AEW? It's bordering on creepy at this point. Don't understand your 'deal.' Your posts are annoying as fuck and you add little to no insight.

Exactly what did I say about AEW? I said JR and Jericho. Just because they work for AEW doesn't mean I said anything about AEW.

In fact I literally said JR is making me wish he had nothing to do with AEW, because I don't want his negativity and bullshit bitterness at "The E" to give AEW the perception they are like TNA.

Quite frankly it pisses me off that you equate what I said about 2 people running off at the mouth means I hate AEW, and feel the need to attack me. maybe if you weren't so far up their asses you wouldn't be so blinded by loyalty that you can't handle any negative aspects about anybody associated with AEW.

I'm sorry I'm not willing to blow JR or Jericho just because they are in AEW, and when they say stupid shit I'll say it's stupid regardless of what Wrestling Company they work for. Stop being so biased and maybe you won't get such "hurtfeels" every time somebody post something other than how they are busting a nut in their pants while thinking about AEW.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-23-2019 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5254721)

I'm sorry I'm not willing to blow JR or Jericho just because they are in AEW, and when they say stupid shit I'll say it's stupid regardless of what Wrestling Company they work for. Stop being so biased and maybe you won't get such "hurtfeels" every time somebody post something other than how they are busting a nut in their pants while thinking about AEW.

hmm nah I think you should just stop being a dipshit.

Seanny One Ball 05-23-2019 08:39 PM

I saw some promo for this with Jericho acting like it was real cage match stuff. He did some weak kicks and a back elbow called Judas something...

Then he swore.

He has Ric Flair tits now.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-23-2019 08:54 PM

I've seen his matches with Omega and Naito. Both were the fucking tits (not his saggy man tits, just v good).

Lock Jaw 05-23-2019 09:11 PM

Don't like Jericho using foul language..... also dislike his long hair nowadays..... also really dislike his Shannon Moore look......

He'll prob keep the hair, so hoping he does away with the other two things....

Damian Rey 2.0 05-23-2019 09:54 PM

Watched the "Judas Effect" video. Jericho looks thick but not as fat as he did at Wrestle Kingdom. Granted they didn't show his stomach so maybe/prob still fat.

#1-norm-fan 05-23-2019 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5254610)
I thought we wanted AEW to be an alternative to WWE. Not more of the same. WWE gets shit on when they bring in legends and thrust them into the main event. Everyone whines about it.....but hey this is AEW so it's fucking awesome to bring in an old legend and thrust them into the main event. WHAT?

WWE booking is shit and none of the matches matter. I'd like an alternative where the booking isn't shit and the matches matter. Bringing in legends has fuck all to do with it. In fact, I make it a point to say that guys like Lesnar SHOULD be the champ because they've done such a shitty job building their full-timers that Lesnar is by far the best option. So... yeah. You're gonna have to make that argument to the "everyone" crowd you're referencing. I'm not part of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 5254610)
And we're just going to dismiss the shit Jericho said on twitter because hey it conveniently fits in with him being a heel? LOL that's rich. Do we give Lars a pass for saying racist shit because it's totally a heel move and he was just setting up his character to be hated?

It's like you're picking and choosing when certain things are acceptable based solely on the company/person doing them. People/companies you like get a pass, the ones you don't get grief.

I'm probably just too high and reading too much into this. You're probably just shilling for Jericho (can't blame you, he is the titties) or AEW.

I give no fucks what Jericho said on Twitter when it comes to what should be happening in a wrestling story.

If the hypocrisy makes his heel character more unsavory, awesome. I'm not gonna go all "butthurt mark" and call foul and want a story that could be entertaining changed because it makes the guy playing the character a hypocrite. lol

And judging from the fact that you tried to make a comparison to Lars Sullivan's situation, I'm gonna say yes. You are too high.

Simple Fan 05-24-2019 12:10 AM

Something I just noticed and isn't really AEW related but with this thread about to be killed I thought I might throw it in here.

Not sure if many of you are familiar with Steve Earle but I was watching the video to Copperhead Road and realized he looks just like Nick Jackson in it.


Damian Rey 2.0 05-24-2019 02:16 AM

I don't how or why people would look at Lesnar showing up a handful or so times a year to barely defend a belt and get no one over in the process and Jericho being the first champion of an upstart company so they can build a new babyface star to dethrone him and make a guy and think to themselves that it's one in the same and makes Jericho a hypocrite.

Emperor Smeat 05-24-2019 03:05 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Double or Nothing shoutout on TNT �� <a href="https://t.co/S9JFa6XiQ1">pic.twitter.com/S9JFa6XiQ1</a></p>&mdash; Chris Montano (@gswchris) <a href="https://twitter.com/gswchris/status/1131746641176813568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double or Nothing ad during the NBA game. <a href="https://t.co/ypgRE9hQ1V">pic.twitter.com/ypgRE9hQ1V</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@FightfulWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1131746526760439808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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slik 05-24-2019 03:46 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a> has taken over Ceasar's Palace! Both stairwells are covered with Double of Nothing logos! �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Starrcast?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Starrcast</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STARRCASTII?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STARRCASTII</a> <a href="https://t.co/G2Kq5AW0g5">pic.twitter.com/G2Kq5AW0g5</a></p>&mdash; Amy O (@Phoenixnjpw) <a href="https://twitter.com/Phoenixnjpw/status/1131697408432197632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Fignuts 05-24-2019 04:23 AM

lol "Chris Jerecho"

slik 05-24-2019 09:02 AM

From reddit - first look at Double Or Nothing stage from AEW. Double Entrances (one for faces, one for heels maybe?)


https://i.imgur.com/ZCnIhFh.jpg

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2019 10:38 AM

Is that chandelier looking thing over the ring or the stage

Seanny One Ball 05-24-2019 11:07 AM

I can't Sia chandelier

slik 05-24-2019 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5254852)
Is that chandelier looking thing over the ring or the stage

I can't tell

Seanny One Ball 05-24-2019 11:10 AM

Can anybody Sia chandelier

slik 05-24-2019 11:17 AM

Safe to say one trend AEW will not be breaking away from WWE on is cringe-inducing apparel.


https://www.allelitewrestling.com/apparel


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Seanny One Ball 05-24-2019 11:19 AM

Here comes the shame

slik 05-24-2019 11:32 AM

https://i.ibb.co/dr8rT5r/1558657818796.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SNqJYW7/1558657357530.jpg

slik 05-24-2019 12:07 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just in my inbox: <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a> has announced it has signed Dean Malenko to serve as a producer on a multi-year deal. He and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> parted ways earlier this year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://t.co/URUPZtLICh">pic.twitter.com/URUPZtLICh</a></p>&mdash; Jon Alba (@JonAlba) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonAlba/status/1131954151238324224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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rez 05-24-2019 12:11 PM

Nice!

slik 05-24-2019 12:26 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AJ Styles crashed the stage at Starrcast <a href="https://t.co/DdAlhzaMXg">pic.twitter.com/DdAlhzaMXg</a></p>&mdash; The Real Suiter (@ZaQ5322) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaQ5322/status/1131794463976648705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2019 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5254860)
Can anybody Sia chandelier

The 3 tiered light thing about the Double or Nothing logo

Vastardikai 05-24-2019 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5254860)
Can anybody Sia chandelier

Well, Party girls don't get hurt...

Seanny One Ball 05-24-2019 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5254886)
The 3 tiered light thing about the Double or Nothing logo


How many tiers?


One, two, three, one, two, three,
One, two, three, one, two, three...

slik 05-24-2019 03:56 PM

There will be no Sia slander in this thread

slik 05-24-2019 03:57 PM

Other protected categories include:

All music from 2012 and before, with the exception of Creed & Nickelback. Those may be slandered, repeatedly.

Seanny One Ball 05-24-2019 04:10 PM

I love Sia, hence the sweet reference. Not one rep for it either.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2019 04:56 PM

Well now it feels forced

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2019 04:56 PM

And I don’t have a good Sia pun to leave in the comment

Seanny One Ball 05-24-2019 05:07 PM

Sia pun, make a pun.

Big Pun.

Fignuts 05-24-2019 05:08 PM

I Sia been asking for rep.

Mr. Nerfect 05-24-2019 06:30 PM

I don’t really buy that AEW has 6 months of stories planned when they can’t work out a way for PAC to win one match and somehow not be champion of the galaxy.

Damian Rey 2.0 05-24-2019 08:53 PM

Pac was gonna win and prob be in the first title match then lose. Now he won't lose to keep the DG belt strong. Aew brass doesn't want a guy they want to be their future star to lose on a one off. Makes sense to me.

Mr. Nerfect 05-24-2019 10:46 PM

Lol, he can lose a match. You can build to rematches, other matches, redemption matches, a rebound winning streak with one blemish -- there are a billion things you could do.

Mr. Nerfect 05-24-2019 10:47 PM

I've decided I'm not ordering. I was going back and forth, but I've decided to go out for a nice breakfast instead. :y:

Evil Vito 05-24-2019 11:21 PM

I hope people who find the price of the PPV too steep (understandable IMO) don’t end up having their enthusiasm soured for when they eventually start on TV.

xrodmuc316 05-25-2019 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5254945)
I don’t really buy that AEW has 6 months of stories planned when they can’t work out a way for PAC to win one match and somehow not be champion of the galaxy.

Yeah because they have like 2 shows in the next 4 months, not really a lot of meaning in saying that. They have like 12 hours booked lol

xrodmuc316 05-25-2019 12:18 AM

I like Adam Page's shirt, I think it's the best one they have currently.

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Mr. Nerfect 05-25-2019 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5255042)
Yeah because they have like 2 shows in the next 4 months, not really a lot of meaning in saying that. They have like 12 hours booked lol

Well, I don’t know if they mean literally the next 6 months from today, or whether they’ve got 6 months worth planned, but it’s not a good omen that they can’t be at all flexible and something simple like a wrestler not being able to lose in September affects a card in May.

Droford 05-25-2019 05:31 AM

I get AEW has nothing to do with Bleacher Report's straming, but their setup on Roku is awful. The WWE's isnt much better so it might be Roku sucks but still...

Droford 05-25-2019 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5255034)
I hope people who find the price of the PPV too steep (understandable IMO) don’t end up having their enthusiasm soured for when they eventually start on TV.

I might pay 50 bucks for a show based on a couple months buildup on tv but DoN is basically a glorified house show with a great on paper main event and a like 2 other matches that seem interesting.

Jordan 05-27-2019 09:40 AM

I think when it comes to AEW's 6 month plan they have laid out it's probably just a structure for the main players...

I think it's fairly easy to see that we are going to get a Jericho reign at the top and a build for Kenny to rise and reclaim his own title at best in the world as well as the AEW World Championship. Kenny was in contention for the first shot but now he has to deal with Mox, and I don't see that being a quite or quickly resolved issue. Jericho vs Page, and then who knows? Maybe a NJPW crossover? Perhaps Jericho wins the IWGP, then the AEW Championship, dual champ champ until Okada comes to AEW for a return match with Jericho and ends up taking one of the belts. Maybe Kenny has to go to NJPW to get he AEW Championship back. Lots of cool opportunities, I don't see how NJPW and AEW can't have some kind of deal together considering Jericho, Kenny and Mox all are going to be working at both.

Destor 05-27-2019 12:13 PM

Other than the young bucks theyve got a good core roster. Its a shame theyre attached at the hip to those guys, theyre really horrendous.

Fignuts 05-27-2019 06:34 PM

They've gotten better since their shift to heavyweight in NJPW.

DoN was more reminiscent of their all out high spot days, but in that spot, against those opponents, it worked. Hoping that going forward we see stuff more like their feud with Sanada and Evil, as that was really fun.

Droford 05-29-2019 12:46 AM

https://i.redd.it/w9b3dfqo5u031.png

all you gotta do is change 1919 to 2019 and root beer to wrestling

Fignuts 05-29-2019 12:52 AM

Luchasaurus officially signed.

Also, Moxley vs Janella at Fyter Fest

Janella sucks, but he's entertaining enough in hardcore matches, which given his oppopnent, I'm sure this will be.

Emperor Smeat 05-29-2019 01:23 AM

Janela's not that terrible but yeah his specialty is hardcore and deathmatch style wrestling so your not going to really get traditional 4+ star matches out of him nor would you expect him to do so.

Also based on his GCW specialty shows, the guy has amazing scouting skills considering the obscure people he's plucked from the indies and made into stars.

Triple A 05-29-2019 01:30 AM

Big Joey Janela fan over here...

Droford 05-29-2019 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5256676)
Luchasaurus officially signed.

Also, Moxley vs Janella at Fyter Fest

Janella sucks, but he's entertaining enough in hardcore matches, which given his oppopnent, I'm sure this will be.


i really hope thats free or at least reduced price

Mr. Nerfect 05-29-2019 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5256676)
Luchasaurus officially signed.

Also, Moxley vs Janella at Fyter Fest

Janella sucks, but he's entertaining enough in hardcore matches, which given his oppopnent, I'm sure this will be.

Luchasaurus looks like he's in good shape. I'd like to see the gimmick altered in time, but I think he's a good get.

Janela is awful. Really fucking bad. Moxley should brutalize him. I hope there isn't that compulsion to give him lots.

Fignuts 05-29-2019 02:37 AM

He looked cooler as Vibora in LU

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Fignuts 05-29-2019 02:37 AM

Fucking badass tatoo, I'll tell you what.

Emperor Smeat 05-29-2019 02:46 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How about that <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CodyRhodes</a> entrance?! I had the pleasure of creating his jacket and cape for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubeOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubeOrNothing</a><br><br>The main inspiration for this was Alucard from Castlevania (with different colors)<br><br>Here is a shot from concept to finished product <a href="https://t.co/cer1QTfRPa">pic.twitter.com/cer1QTfRPa</a></p>&mdash; Denise Cutler - Elite Seamstress (@couple_cosplay) <a href="https://twitter.com/couple_cosplay/status/1133405806374805505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Was thinking more of modified Richter Belmont when I first saw that gear mostly because of the colors.

Mr. Nerfect 05-29-2019 02:59 AM

Not an ugly dude and he did well in Big Brother, which means he must have some sort of appeal to idiots. He looks like Seth Rollins. I mean, I can see where that could be a problem and I think having a mask is fine. I just think "Luchasaurus" is a bit silly. I think there's a proper gimmick you can do there.

Evil Vito 05-29-2019 01:13 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW had my interest, now they have my support. <a href="https://t.co/Qo70cNkaVg">pic.twitter.com/Qo70cNkaVg</a></p>&mdash; Creature ₛₕ (@Creature_SH) <a href="https://twitter.com/Creature_SH/status/1133537665268224000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ol Dirty Dastard 05-29-2019 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5256785)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW had my interest, now they have my support. <a href="https://t.co/Qo70cNkaVg">pic.twitter.com/Qo70cNkaVg</a></p>&mdash; Creature ₛₕ (@Creature_SH) <a href="https://twitter.com/Creature_SH/status/1133537665268224000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Looking forward to people being enraged over freedom of speech being violated despite the gentleman being banned not having any rights infringed upon. WWE has kicked people out for having anti Roman Reigns signs.

slik 05-29-2019 01:23 PM

I like that this will make noted internet wanna be reporter "rovert" look like an idiot for tweeting the other day about how the Young Bucks clearly hate diversity/etc/blah blah blah bc they are Christians.

RP 05-29-2019 01:26 PM

What time does AEW come on tonight guys?

slik 05-29-2019 01:27 PM

9pm Central on TruTV

Evil Vito 05-29-2019 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One (Post 5256789)
Looking forward to people being enraged over freedom of speech being violated despite the gentleman being banned not having any rights infringed upon. WWE has kicked people out for having anti Roman Reigns signs.

lol yup. especially with that "BUT I THOUGHT AEW WAS FOR EVERYONE!" comment, like it's some sort of gotcha

Damian Rey 2.0 05-29-2019 01:45 PM

So who got the ban? The nerd asking the transphobic to leave or the transphobic?

slik 05-29-2019 01:46 PM

the phobic


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