All the smart and cool posters knew exactly what I meant (due to clearly using the word "rating"), interesting 🤔

Wow, AEW creeping up on WWF Raw in the ratings also! "The Cold War" is heating up . . .

Smeat returning with new entrance music and a cape

Xrod and Noid are the Legion of Doom.

Does that make you Rocco?

I'm definitely Paul Ellering

Fun fact: after retiring from wrestling and failing to get the Authors of Pain over, Paul Ellering became a dog sled racer and competed in Iditarod.

Lol I remember reading that

AEW is garbage. TNA was hitting millions of viewers every week and they clawed their way and earned their spot on tv instead of having everything handed to them. Remember the weekly ppvs and the Fox Sports Net days. Of course their ratings tanked as well as soon as they got rid of Russo.

AEW wish it had TNA's ratings


Vince Russo > Tony Khan

Oh man, time to step on the throat of the man with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever. Can anyone remember a time where Smeat actually posted his own thought on something? Not something he’s borrowed verbatim from another source. Not someone else’s thoughts. His. He calls other people dumbfucks, but he literally never applies his own thoughts to anything. Because he’s incapable.

I mean. He never does it. His response to anybody is always something like “that’s probably because [Observer factoid].” End thought. He can’t build on that.

Firstly, xrod is right. Triple A was trolling by calling the demo the rating, which is bullshit. Their rating is probably a 0.1 or some shit. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was 1/10 of TNA’s.

Also, I have brought up why the demos, as Meltzer lays them out, are fucking meaningless. You have to actually be a wrestling mark to subscribe to such shit. It’s a hangover from a period of time before advertisers cared about way more nuanced and specific metrics. Nielsen barely talk about the alleged “key demo.” You know why? Because 18-49 covers SO many people, of all different walks of life, with all different financial circumstances. It’s archaic to throw everyone in a box just because they fall into some random age bracket.

Women are now more prized than men. How does AEW do in that metric? Meltzer doesn’t talk about that, either because he doesn’t get the nuanced break-downs to actually talk about what these numbers might mean to advertisers in any serious sense, or because he doesn’t care to, because why ruin a good narrative when you have peons like Smeat to echo it?

If that demo mattered so much, why did it get its ass booted out of its time slot for hockey? Why did it get its ass shoved right off TNT? It’s because the people who watch AEW are largely the people who watch it. Sports like hockey will attract more unique viewers over time. Viewers that are more valuable than those within AEW’s “key” demo.

But don’t let common sense get in the way of the wrestling mark’s gospel.

You still watch ROH?

This is quite fucking true.

They would absolutely kill their mothers for that sort of attention. And I hate to say it, because I absolutely hate Russo, but my god would he do a better job than what AEW is doing.

The sad part is TNA could have hit way better ratings if they would have actually gave Russo FULL creative control. Unfortunately he had to deal with Jeff Jarrett and Dutch Mantel and then later on Bischoff and Hogan.

I'm not too hot on Hangman and Omega headlining the next PPV. But I am not hot on Omega at all right now. I am hoping the booking for Hangman is super interesting leading up, and with the fresh crowds that could help a lot. Hangman is ready to be the man for sure and Kenny needs a long rest and recovery from what I've read about his physical state. I think Hangman has a lot of great opponents for a long and successful title reign.

I like the aew company. They are close to amc, and I like the stock.

I just think Hangman vs. Omega is the logical way to get Hangman his big title win.

All Out is the same event where he suffered his two biggest losses - losing his AEW Title match in 2019 and losing the tag titles at 2020. The former set him off into a drinking gimmick and played into his decision to move into tag competition, the latter ended up causing him to fall out with The Elite after 4 years with them between the Bullet Club and Elite days. Befriends the Dark Order, but can't bring himself to join full stop. Seems to have an underlying fear that if he comes up short in a big match again, more friends will ditch him. Has to now go through his former tag partner at the same event where he's dealt with his biggest failings.

It'll be good, and I think the Chicago crowd are gonna be shit hot for Hangman so I hope they strike while the iron is hot. And yeah Kenny's been working hurt for months and while I'm sure it's tough to convince someone to take time off when they're finally gonna be getting back to performing in front of non-socially distant crowds, it'd be good for him to take a few months to clean up his nagging injuries and he can come back either tail end of 2021 or kick off 2022 with a big return.

AEW have made the same mistake as WWE and have assumed that the belt makes the man and not vice versa. He’s been booked into obscurity. They think they can flip the magical switch and just microwave someone. This is Dolph Ziggler winning the WWE Title out of nowhere. Except Page is not Ziggler good.

Omega vs. Page, if it happens, is going to be a pretty easy match to upstage. It’ll feel like such a forced and fake moment.

And that’s if it happens. People are clinging to it happening because they got the idea early on and they can’t face the fact this company can’t book. MJF was predicted by many to be the third champion in this company. Now look at him. Page was the babyface rising star. Now look at him. But they’re cradling that idea.

... Who have they given the belt to try to make? Did Page win the title and I missed it or something?

Not yet, but if that is the plan, that’s exactly what they’re doing. Page has not been built up for a World Title win. Or do you disagree? Didn’t you make the point that only Corgan seems to know how to actually build relative stars within the context of what he’s got?

If you want to get technical, I’d put Omega in that box too. If you didn’t know who he was, he won the belt out of nowhere.

You made the statement that AEW have made the same mistake as WWE based on something they’ve literally never done but you expect them to do.

They HAVE made the mistake WWE has made based on a future example you’ve created in your head.

That “If that’s the plan...” was a pretty vital part to leave out originally.

Either the plan is to try and make Page, which makes the 8 months completely irrelevant. Or they’re cutting bait because they can’t tell a story right. Take your pick.

Groaaaan. Come on, man. Don’t go picking that fight for the sake of it. If that’s the plan, and many people seem sure of it, then they have made that mistake. The booking doesn’t start when Page wins.

Nothing wrong with speculating about the future plans either. Since when has discussion on here been limited to retrospect?

Could be the latter. Let’s talk about it when it happens in real life.

Speculation and “They have already fucked up by doing this thing in the future” aren’t the same thing.

I’m not doing it for the sake of it. I’m doing it to prove the same point I’ve been trying to make to you (and Xrod before we became best friends) Even when you can just be right about saying “AEW is shit” and explaining why, you do a disservice to yourself when you do stuff like that.

For all their faults, AEW has only put the title on their top stars at the time. To try to shit on them for doing that dumb WWE thing where they put the title on a midcarder to try to get him over when they’ve literally not done it once is a bad fucking case to make. You twist things in a weird way to shit on AEW when you don’t need to.

In other news, Cassie and Jessie (formerly The IIconics) hosted Renee's podcast where they interviewed Tay Conti and Anna Jay and teased having a tag match someday.

You had to assume the IIconics were AEW bound with Cassie being married to Spears, but with Impact being the promotion with the women's tag scene you never know for sure.

Anyway, they're pretty bad in the ring but also have considerably more personality than anyone in the women's division not named Britt Baker. They could be foils for someone like Shida who will eventually cane the shit out of them.

IIconics vs. TayJay would likely be a bad match despite Tay's best efforts, but it would also make my peen happy.

That’s not what I said though. Don’t sling mud about twisting shit when you’ve got to do it to stick your point. I was clearly speculating. If they don’t do it, they fucked up the alleged plans. Just like WWE. If they do? Then it’s exactly what I’m speculating, and you know it.

All moot since I was speculating on the alleged creative direction (someone above just posted about it). And, as I said, I would pick at straws when it comes to Omega. He’s a guy that banks on what he’s already done, like Jericho and Moxley, but I think you can have him either way. He’s a guy that a lot of people would only know from AEW, and how strong a main eventer he is in that context is up to your interpretation.

On one hand, he main evented a lot of PPVs and they told you he was this amazing wrestler; on the other they did expect putting the belt on him to signify some sort of radical change in him being this next level guy. Never mind he did cheat to win the belt too, so he’s not exactly supposed to be seen on the level of a Moxley.

Am I wrong about any of that?

People who like AEW are the same sheep who voted for Biden. Brainwashed easily by the media aka Dave Meltzer. It's sad really. Same ROH bots from the 2000's just a new era of fans killing the business.

Adam Page has been very irrelevant since him and Omega split. As of today, him winning the title would just feel like he is the next guy in line, not the culmination of his arc into a top star. It certainly today doesnt feel like Page should be the guy.

That said, they do still have 2 months and when September 5th comes the feeling could be totally different.

What isnt going to get them there is him being encouraged by his Dark Order friends telling him how they believe in him while he is drinking backstage.

Have. Past tense. This thing has been done. You got called out and now you’re left arguing that it was just speculation despite every word clearly being in clear as fuck past tense English. But I’M twisting shit somehow. You can’t have an honest discussion. It’s not everyone else, it’s you. We’re done here.

Proper speculation.

(Probably not because AEW sucks. Doesn’t hurt to speculate though!)

lol @ Noid getting mad that #1-wwf-fan is not going in lockstep with his AEW hatred

Having only seen the quoted posts it also seems like he's decided that if Hangman doesn't win the belt, they fucked up the plans and if he wins, it means they also fucked up.

So they've already lost no matter what they do. Cool. Always nice to see good faith discussions.

they would be smarter to go to impact 1st an fight with fire an flave, an get better in the ring.

Have isn’t always past tense, champ. You can have something in the present tense. If Adam Page is “the guy,” they have (they are holding...as in now) the wrong idea. What you’re trying to do is pick a fight over me not adding the redundant context of “If AEW were to do that, then...” That’s bullshit and you know it.

You chose a reading, stuck to it, and call it calling someone out. Let me rephrase my obvious point: If AEW intends Adam Page to be the top guy in AEW, they sure have a shitty fucking way of going about it.

Nah, #fan doesn’t like AEW either. I get more annoyed at conversations that are based around semantics.

Those are the seeds they have sown. AEW fans were so certain he was the guy. Still are. But the booking has not led up to that. Call a spade a spade. Do you always give good faith to the WWE? Why the fuck would I put good faith in a company that continually proves to be anything other than what they promised? Who have they actually pushed right?

You can try and mock me as a poster all you want. At least I actually put thought into my views and try to actually explain them instead of trying to dismiss someone for having an opinion at all because I don’t like it.

Explain to me why this “push” of Adam Page is good. How is this going to make him a bigger star than he was at the outset of this promotion?

And before you say it, #fan, I did mean “have” in the past tense, because they have made that mistake if that’s the root they’ve decided to go down. The event doesn’t need to actually occur for the wheels to have been poorly set in motion. If you take back your horrible ex, you don’t need to wait until shit hits the fan for that to be called a mistake.

Point is: AEW fucking sucks and doesn’t know how to book.

I can’t believe they’re doing Christian vs. Matt Hardy as a main event feud in 2021. And that’s not because of Christian. I can’t believe I WISH a guy was in WWE.

Actually, the same goes for The Revival. It’s about a wash for how well they’ve been used at this point between the two shows. But if they were put back with Orton for a feud against, say, Matt Riddle, Jeff Hardy & Cedric Alexander, it could actually lend itself to some pretty cool stuff.

You can literally pull better stuff out of your ass than what AEW puts on with alleged effort.