Lol. I am pretty sure that most of those who Lockport Phil screws around with are of age. Unlike other folks in AEW...

Wasnt becky bayless 14

For real. I'm sitting here trying to figure out who he has ever actually helped and I'm drawing a blank.

And suggesting there are still things left for him to do....like what, cut the same old "everyones out to get me and hold me down and im not having it because im here for the fans!" promo he always cuts because it's literally his only promo? Or maybe he can put on a clinic on how to be out of shape and constantly botch moves.

There is nothing to be gained by anyone from having him on board at this point. Popping ratings for 2 weeks is not a draw, and even if you somehow consider those 2 weeks of an extra 200k people to be a good thing, that is not nearly worth having to deal with the baggage he brings with him everywhere he goes.

The only place Punk needs to be at this point is at home being the overrated bitter egomaniac he is and has always been.

Yeah, there are real concerns to be had…

I think that was Raven.

Will Hobbs, Darby Allin, FTR, MJF, Wardlow. Funnily enough their booking turns to shit when it turns out they are Punk guys.

Who have The Elite actually put over? Not lost to, actually put over.

You’re describing AEW.

No, I'm describing CM Punk everywhere he goes.

And your list of people who benefitted from Punk is laughable.

Will Hobbs: where's he at?

Darby Allin: Afterthought still meandering about in meaningless feuds with Sting in tow

FTR: Were already a big deal, now they are relegated to a non-existent RoH

MJF: Got the big win over Punk with help from Wardlow, only to have to turn around and job to Punk a month or two later to facilitate the Wardlow turn and disappear for months soon after.

Wardlow: Wardlow was the hottest act already outside of MJF, and while he had a good run for a couple months after, he's now been shoved into a tag team with Samoa Joe and they've stuck him back in a reformed pinnacle.

Meanwhile, female talent who are friends of Thunder Rosa are seeing their AEW bookings dry up.

Also, why do you have to deflect to "YEAH BUT THE ELITE" any time someone talks bad about Punk now? No one is talking about Kenny/The Bucks here besides you. They have nothing to do with Punk being an overrated blowhard who ends up pissing off everyone around him everywhere he goes.

And then there's this bit. Tell me exactly how he is helping people if people are getting buried just for being associated with him because of the drama he causes?

Punk: Pushed to the moon
Punk's guys: shit booking

Who is exactly getting helped here?

Tony Khan just announced this, and y'all can just call me General Hugh G Rection:

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They picked the wrong member of Death Triangle to challenge him

No, you’re describing AEW. So many dudes in AEW are what you project onto Punk.

Will Hobbs: He’s a Punk guy. Sabotaged by The Elite.

Darby Allin: Yeah, exactly. He was like an AEW mascot until Punk came in and worked with him. Now he’s basically treading water because The Elite can’t have that.

FTR: Yeah, The Elite.

MJF: Yes, because Tony is a fucking moron who wasn’t paying the dude as much as he deserved for his output with Punk.

Wardlow: Yeah, Punk made him look like a million dollars then TK jumped the gun with him and The Elite had him sabotaged for being a Punk guy.

The problem with this promotion isn’t Punk. It’s TK’s booking and The Elite being insecure bitches. Punk comes in and helps get people talking about talent — whether it’s through working with them on-air or behind the scenes — then after they shine they disappear. Well soon a lot of that talent will disappear for good because their deals will be up and they will get away from the political animals.

He’s helping them become better workers. Unfortunately that’s a threat to people in AEW. But hey, AEW sucks and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Lol, The Elite caused the drama because Punk came in and didn’t want to go with the indy mentality and popped that one rating. The last thing The Elite wants is validation of what guys like Cornette says. Plus when the numbers actually move it proves that numbers can move and they haven’t done it. Insecurity.

Because The Elite are the problem, bud. Never underestimate the wrath of the untalented in power.

Punk got Rampage over 1 million and started telling talent “try things this way” instead of “whatever you feel is correct is correct.” When some talent started saying “Hey, this works!” it validates all the veterans who have ever pointed out the flaws in the games of The Bucks and Omega. They will not be surpassed by people learning to do things better.

So they started the bullshit about Colt Cabana. They got Adam Page to go out there on their own show and try to tank the top babyface a week before their PPV and tarnish his reputation before TWO consecutive PPVs in Chicago. They’re the drama, because Punk understandably doesn’t like their sucky shit.

I’m not the biggest Punk fan in the world by any stretch. But he’s actually the lesser evil here. The Bucks and Omega poked and prodded because you can’t have someone with a traditional pro-wrestling mind in their vanity project.

Wouldn’t surprise me if New Japan wanted Punk and FTR over Omega and The Bucks too. You know, from that time where they outright lied to New Japan about staying even though their names were in the name of the new promotion cutting into New Japan’s US expansion and they thought it would be just fine.

Don’t think that didn’t make Kenny mad on top of Punk doing better Rampage numbers than him.

Punk didn’t suck their dicks and likely spoke out about their creative and how it is factually holding back the promotion. Yeah, he ruffled feathers. But he was also likely under the impression that he was brought in to help the product and assumed he was being paid enough for Tony to listen to his common sense. Nup. TK wants to entertain these two completely disparate visions. One is based on what works and doing things for effect. The other is based on what a handful of guys want to do to make themselves feel good regardless of if it works or not. They’re completely incompatible and it was always going to end in some sort of explosion between the people who want to bake a pie and the people who want to put their dick in it, regardless of if Punk was there or not. JR has had problems with this. FTR.

You have to go along with the corrupt management in AEW. It’s a toxic culture. Yeah, it’s gonna make a few people miserable, especially if they are already inclined to be miserable. But hey, they’re going to get theirs.

Yep. Because Thunder Rosa has been deemed a problem by someone who has Tony’s ear too.

There's a lot of imagining what so and so did going on right now

So, I just wanted to go back to Chris Jericho for a bit:

We know he talks to Dave Meltzer. It’s possible he flat-out lied to Dave for…reasons, but it’s more likely that Dave has the accurate details on Jericho’s contract, and that he was signed for two more years.

It’s pretty batty that TK has backed up a truck to Jericho’s house when he was locked in until 2024 anyway. The signing of Moxley to a 5 yr deal goes along with this, but at least his deal was expiring (or had already expired). TK is desperate to have guys locked for a long-ass time, probably for any sort of negotiating leverage he can get with networks. It was important to have Jericho locked in to a deal beyond 2023, because that’s when the Dynamite TV deal is up, right?

We’re seeing who TK sees as actually important, and it tells us who has not made a commitment. And it implies a measure of hesitance from Warner Bros Discovery to sign new deals with AEW — otherwise, why would Jericho signing now be so important?

And he’s taken TK for all he’s worth. He’s getting way overpaid to do horrible shit. Jericho is almost as big a problem as The Elite. They’re Hogan and Nash to Tony’s Bischoff. Adam Page might as well be Diamond Adam Page. If Hogan and Nash were able to do springboards, I wonder if Meltzer would have looked past their politics?

This ROH thing is horrible. These acts are getting low-key buried by Jericho. There are so many problems with this story.

* Why is Tony Khan letting Jericho beat up whoever he wants?
* Where is everyone who likes ROH in the company to stand up for ROH?
* What happens to the ROH guys once they get beaten by a 50 yr old Jericho?

You want to see a guy hurting the company, look at him.

You can see it on the television. The rumors are the rumors. If I were a wrestler, I sure as shit wouldn’t sign there.

I wouldn’t trust The Elite. You’re allowed to, but I think that’s stupid.

Will Hobbs wasnt elevated at all. He had a one off with Punk then kept doing exactly what he was doing in Team Taz, except he went from number 2 in that team to number 3 when Hook surpassed him. He finally did something by turning on Starks, but nothing since other than a few wins over ransom jobbers.

Darby Allin was on an upward trajectory, was TNT Champ, all before Punk came in. Since then, Darby hasn't done anything of note. He beat Jay Lethal one time, but he is much further down the card than he was before Phil.

FTR are exactly what they have always been. Just because Punk said they are good doesn't mean people were suddenly clued in.

MJF and Wardlow were built up to clash long before Punk. If anything Punk being involved dragged it out longer than needed.

There is also the fact that he did the opposite of help in burying the Bucks, Hangman, and the company. He also caused his friend to get fired, and Omega to get suspended.

He did far more to hurt the company than be did to help it, which is what I said was going to happen all along.

This isn’t aimed at you, Destor, but there is a lot of “Punk is definitely like this!” when it comes to him, even if it is demonstrably untrue. Like, I’ve seen people calling him lazy and acting like he’s known for shooting on people. The dude’s done one shoot interview and has never worked stiff lol. That’s okay. But I notice that there’s conversely a lot of demand for a reserved opinion on The Elite like you’re being grossly inappropriate for suggesting THEY might be bitter assholes.

I think they’re conniving little shits.

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Yeah, Punk works with guys and they get buried after he’s done. That’s exactly my point. He’s not Triple H lying down for guys and making himself look good. He was actually trying and there’s a concerted effort from other parties to make sure it doesn’t stick. I’d want them to get the fuck out of my locker room too.

They are, 100%, but they did God's work making Phil rage like the douchebag he is :rofl:

Before The Elite, after The Elite.

Look, I’ll let you have your Punk hate, but it’s got to cut both ways. I’m happy he stood up to them and looks to be taking a large chunk of money from them on his way out. :y:

I’m ok with him just retiring and never appearing in public again. I don’t really find replay value in his work like an all-time great. But if he signs with WWE or goes elsewhere I am happy with that too.

I want to stress that I am not a Punk mark. I didn’t really miss him after 2014. He’s a talented talker and he can work in the ring. There are problems with his credibility and some of his loftier opinions are just…wrong. In my opinion. But if he can lay off Goldberg, admit casual fans exist and accept that he’s a tier below the best ever, he’s like one of the best A-grade professionals out there. I wouldn’t wish on him to suffer fools though. I like that he went in there and didn’t just wrestle his own shit and keep quiet until he was irrelevant (like Bryan).

I love that Shad has to pay Phil probably $10 million just because his idiot son can't keep his employees in line :rofl:

I wonder if they’re trying to slip him extra to try and buy his silence.

If CM Punk is such a toxic person and a detriment to the business, why would AEW be trying to get him to sign a ludicrously long no-compete? Dave didn’t think that one through.

Preach, brother!

Because Tiny doesn't want anybody else playing with his toys.

Especially if that toy could be used better in the different environment.

That Adam Page went out there and did what he did is one of the most surreal things in recent pro-wrestling memory. Punk was probably told what the promo was going to be about. He may have even had input and helped Page prepare the talking points to sell the PPV. He goes out there expecting that thing and then Page comes out with this smug esoteric nonsense trying to hurt CM Punk in the wallet.

You’d expect the boss to pull that guy aside and put some punishment down on him for blindsiding someone, right? Instead, nothing happens and the guy is even possibly rewarded for trying to piss on your future. It’s absolutely bonkers.

That would challenge his Booker of the Year award :rofl:

Maybe AEW shouldn't have banked their future on a broken down 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Hangman is lame as hell, but he is also not a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Even if Hangman didn't cut that promo, Phil still would have injured his foot, still would have injured his arm, and still would have had something to complain about, because no matter what Page said, Punk would still be a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Potential yuge spoilers. Read at your own peril. You've been warned.

Every report of a wrestler getting extended makes me laugh, because Shad is on the hook to keep paying them no matter what.

There’s no defense for Punk getting embarrassed, but I’m pretty sure Hangman would have been embarrassed too. Even at his age, given what he can think up and provide with his promos and in other roles, Punk is still more valuable than the entire Elite.

If MJF signed a longer deal with AEW, that’s his choice to deal with.

You really think that he would amount to much in WWE ? MJF does better in a smaller pond.

MFJ vs the Miz would probably be his first program..and it would be downhill from there. He is simply not WWE homegrown talent. Fuck, they would just put him in NXT

MJF would be absolutely fine in WWE. It’s one of the easiest things to envision.

He’s not the biggest fish in AEW — he’s basically the only fish. I guess he gets the shine from the story of being the A1 guy there, but it’s so far down in AEW that it’s inconsequential.

If Vince was still in charge, I would have some reservations about MJF in WWE. Mainly because Vince doesn't really push smaller guys very often and tends to drop them in a hurry or use them to job to the main eventers.

However, with HHH in charge, that's not gonna be an issue imo. He is more than willing to push these guys that aren't big ole muscle men. If you have the "it factor" and you can go, HHH is gonna give you that shot. And MJF has all the "it factor" you can ask for, especially at his age.

Honestly, the downside in WWE would be they make him the next Miz. And is that really a bad thing? He's been at or near the top of the card for like 15 years consistently and always has something going on. He makes a bunch of money and gets to do side projects. Pretty cushy spot, really.

If he wasn't made to reign in his promos, he'd be fine. I think his size would be off-putting initially, but that'd quickly forgotten about.


He and Miz could have some excellent exchanges. World champ, nah. Solid IC / US title program participant.

Vince would have gotten MJF. One of his strengths is that it’s believable this guy would have hired muscle, which allows you to use MJF as a vehicle to get a huge guy over as a project. You’re not just pushing the small guy with a motor mouth.

I love hearing that some guys have been extended by Tony Khan. In my eyes, it's the greatest thing they could do.


When AEW shuts down in 3 years, they can go work somewhere else like WWE and still be getting paid by Tony Khan as part of still owing on their contracts. Genius by MJF, Moxley, and Jericho.

It’s good for the individual bank accounts of the guys being paid, for sure. The day where Shad is going to need to payout all these ongoing contracts is likely though.

Oh I don't disagree. But was Tony smart enough to write into those contracts language that says "if we go out of business, you cannot compete till the contract is up".

Like I know he's not going to have that physically written into a contract....Just saying.

Dave has completely changed his stance on Chris Jericho. He’s gone from saying he had a two year rollover to a one year one. The one year option always made more sense, but he was so certain it was two. Now he’s so certain it wasn’t.

My thinking is that either Jericho caught on that the optics of Jericho taking TK for a ride shows how desperate the company is to have stars under lock and key or the one year thing was always true and Dave is just clueless to how long his buddies are signed.

I do wonder if he just made up the two year thing with The Bucks too?

But this is all for the TV deal. That’s why TK is trying to suggest these guys with WWE names are involved in deep ways. You’d imagine they’d announce MJF signing to WBD for the same reason. That’s why I’m inclined to not believe the story of him being under a longer deal initially. I think they’re being pretty cavalier about who is Team AEW in order to get those TV deals, which obviously haven’t been penned yet. I also think this is a good indicator that Omega and The Bucks haven’t signed anything yet.

What happens if TK doesn’t get good TV deals? That is going to be interesting. Having Jericho and Mox under contract as you’re moving to AXS TV is a bit of a tough situation.

If there’s one thing I underestimated about Tony Khan, it was his penchant for sticking to legal advice and getting a tough contract done. And they have been ogres about those deals. He’s probably used to having lawyers cover his mistakes.

If AEW goes belly-up, I don’t think there would be a point to TK preventing them from working anywhere. I mean, they are independent contractors now, so there’s nothing stopping them from working WWE except TK not wanting them to.

If TK has a mental breakdown, WBD drop them, Shad wants to pull the plug, etc. — I think they just pay out the deals they have in place, sink the millions then Jericho, Mox, Danielson, etc. are free to work wherever. I don’t think we’ll get AOL/Time Warner paying WCW guys to sit at home even though there’s no WCW for them to wrestle on.

Unless the last ditch attempt to get something out of this is for TK to try and get people to buy out their deals. If AEW goes down, it would be interesting to see if WWE makes a play to purchase it and acquire whatever talent they have under contract, or whether they just let that mess sort itself out over time and use it as a cautionary lesson to wrestlers looking to sign with other billionaires.

This company has a guy who main evented 2 Wrestlemanias, and the best they could come up with is tapping him out to Daniel Garcia and having Wheeler Poopah talk down to him.

People still bring up how WCW misused Bret Hart 25 years later (and rightfully so). With AEW it’s “I guess Bryan doesn’t want to be used well.”

If another promotion booked like AEW, they would be laughing stock forever.

Danielson is just wanting to enjoy wrestling until hes ready to retire.

It makes for shitty television.

WBD reportedly wants to sign AEW longterm. These extensions for AEW's superstars are looking better by the second. Big Biceps Tony can't stop winning!

AEW fandom has turned into a meme. :lol:

By the way, the source for that is John Arezzi, and he makes no mention of how lucrative this alleged interest would or would not be. And it’s John Arezzi.

I have dead zero interest in AEW right now. I think I will take off watching this week because it's a waste of time, it's Halloween goddamnit.

Love AEDub. Can’t wait for tomorrow night.

You will miss Sammy Guevara and Tay Conti dressing up as Joker and Harley Quinn or something because they’re edgy from 7 years ago.

dammit i wish there were still valid links for jon kano's joker costume posts...

AEW has gotten so bad even Dave Meltzer is being honest about it now.

That has never been the issue, getting resigned or not. The issue is that the "Business Model" Tiny sold his dad on was they would get the kind of increase WWE did from their next rights contract. A 3x increase has always been the pot of gold.

It does not matter one bit if AEW's new deal goes from $45 million per year to $55 million per year. The entire purpose was for AEW to get a $150+ million per year deal to make Shad's investment worth it.

If they do not 3x their current deal, then their entire business model of "making it back" goes out the window, and they will be forced to trim their budget. Shad cannot want to continue funding something after 4 years of waiting for that payday that did not come?

AEW operates like a $100 million TV show expecting to be making $150 million. If they do not get that $150+ million deal, there are going to have to be some tough decisions made.

His entire basis for the claim is that there are AEW commercials during the MLB games on WBD networks.

He also claims that WBD want to negotiate this new deal because the current deal that they inherited with the merger is not very good for TBS/TNT and considered to be very one sided in favor of AEW.

That last bit doesn't make it sound like they are very high on AEW to me. What does it say when they apparently aren't happy with and consider the current 45 mill a year deal to be heavily in favor of the AEW side lol.

LOL that sounds like they want to give AEW less money. Shad is gonna be PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED!

AEW also get to keep half the ad profits, which is insane. If I were Warner, I’d be like “Yeah…no.” To make the current deal worth it, AEW would have to be pocketing <$45 million in ad rights. WBD wants that money.

Lana is doing a Melissa Santos and is complaining about Miro’s booking on Twitter for him. Sounds like a really great place to work. At least they’re likely bringing back The Elite, which shouldn’t lead to any future problems at all.

NBA, MLB, 'Rasslin, NCAA BBall Tournament games, and now NHL.

I miss NHL on NBC but that's quite the resume for WBD to make TNT (and TBS) a viable rival to Disney/ABC/ESPN.

and I'm not forgetting the juggernaut of FOX/BTN. BTN is doing it's own thing with NBC now. It's just wild to keep up what all these companies are doing with live sports. I mean, AMAZON PRIME? This is the shit that is going to fuck up cord cutters, eventually.

It's criminal that no promotion since his Rusev Day gimmick can get him over. That shit was golden. It made his future wife and his partner look good.

Someone claiming to be from Punk’s camp is saying that Larry the Dog got hurt when The Elite stormed into Punk’s locker room. Dave says that the story did come from Punk’s camp, but it’s the first he’s heard of it and other people say it’s a lie, but he doesn’t want to hit that too hard so he can back away from basically accusing a man of lying about dog being hurt.

Dave Meltzer also SUPPORTS the claim that the investigation didn’t contact Lucy Guy at all. But you can totally trust its findings.

Why this is insane:

* Punk lying about his dog being hurt is pretty slanderous and would be easily verifiable. It’s a stupid lie to tell (if it came from him).

* If it wasn’t part of the investigation and it’s coming up now…wtf? I don’t believe Meltzer knows anything about the investigation, but if it’s genuinely from Punk, chances are that it was part of the investigation — whether true or not. The assertion that it’s a lie and it’s a fresh one seems very unlikely. What would Punk have to gain now versus what he could potentially lose?

* Punk doesn’t need the dog story. If The Elite barged into his locker room when he was on edge and started provoking him in a private space, while he was hurt and vulnerable, without neutral witnesses, him responding with violence to protect himself, his friends or his pet is not necessarily unreasonable action, even if you don’t condone violence. The Elite just flat-out shouldn’t have been there.

* If the investigation didn’t consult Lucy Guy…wtf? There’s always a chance she could just defend Punk. But if The Elite conducted themselves as saints, it’s possible she could tell the truth. It is possible for someone to put their welfare and integrity above a friendship if the friend acted irresponsibly. That they didn’t ask implies they didn’t expect the story they wanted to hear. That’s bullshit in an investigation.

It’s possible Punk hasn’t said anything about his dog, he just punched the fuckers for stepping to him, and Lucy Guy was spoken with and Dave is just an asshole. But this story makes the company look like a way bigger mess and Dave normally wouldn’t have part in that.

There is zero reason to believe that story now. If that happened to his dog, he should have put that out instantly. That would have completely changed the public sentiment.

Instead he waits until the day The Elite return to work/begin their comeback??? That is as transparent as Vince McMahon waiting until Punk's wedding day to fire him.

He would have put the story out day one. He just would have put it out to the company, expecting them to actually do a proper investigation.

We’ve only heard versions of The Elite’s story. It’s possible Punk thought the investigation would actually be fair so he played along and kept quiet, public sentiment be damned.

Punk looks better swiping at a Buck for going into his locker room and mouthing off and telling the company to piss up a rope than he does lying about his dog now. This would be a way to poison sentiment against him.

If the story has come from Punk and none of it was in the investigation, I’ll agree that Punk is an idiot and an asshole. But that seems dubious. I have a much easier time believing that AEW botched the investigation.

Lol, what a crazy world: We’re left debating whether CM Punk is an insane liar hiding behind his dog’s health or if the promotion could be so insane as to discard that information.

The attempts by Elite fans to wiggle out from the dog story are bizarre. They range from “his story has changed” (we haven’t heard his story) to feigning disbelief that someone cooperating with an investigation would keep quiet publicly.

Meltzer is so weird: I don’t know how he can perpetuate the idea that the AEW investigation didn’t contact Lucy Guy and still stand by its findings. Well, I guess we don’t know what the findings actually were. The investigation could have turned up “yep, The Elite are guilty as sin” and they’ve still brought them back because Punk is leaving, but you know what I mean.

Would be such a weird thing to spur on — true or not — that makes the company look like absolute shit. I guess his loyalty is to The Elite and not to AEW.

Serious question: Do Americans genuinely think it’s OK for a boss to barge in on a disgruntled employee? I’ve seen lots of otherwise reasonable people who seem to think it’s a good idea for an executive to kick in the office door of someone they’re mad at. I’ve seen things like “Well, I can tell you’ve never worked in the corporate world” when it comes to defending The Elite here, for real.

Over here, that sort of conduct would be considered a nightmare. Proper protocol would be to have security escort the disgruntled employee from the building or to call a meeting with the employee. Going in and getting in their face would be a giant wtf because of things like…this, frankly. We call it “escalation.”

I assumed it would be a thing the world over, but maybe it’s just commonwealth countries or some shit.

No, it isn't alright.


Most people fail to report it for fear of retaliation. Most states are "at will" employment, meaning the employer can terminate your employment at anytime, for (mostly) any reason.

If somebody says "if you have a problem with me, come see me", is it really considered barging in? They already said the whole " kicking the door in" was a figure of speech, and that they didn't actually kick the door.

Phil invited them to come see him, and they did, with the company's lawyer with them. No matter how much people hate the Bucks, Phil should have expected them to come see him after he said to come see him.

I hate the Elite lol. Still, that story only comes out now, the day they return to work behind the scenes. It makes no sense to hold that part of it back, because that would absolutely justify everything Punk did.

I find it absolutely ridiculous to take your dog to work with you in the first place.

Yes, I would say it 100% is. My boss has an “open door policy.” It doesn’t literally mean you can just go in whenever you like lol. Also, I’m pretty sure Punk said that about mentoring guys. His locker room is always open. It doesn’t mean you can go in for whatever reasons whenever you want and if he doesn’t want someone in there he’s a massive hypocrite. THAT is what is called a figure of speech.

In the scrum, Punk said something along the lines of “if you’ve got something to say to me, I’ll walk the aisles of this place — let’s go.” That’s not the same as saying “Come into my locker room if you want to fight.” Also, The Bucks went and…yep, they got a fight (we’ve got no clue if Punk’s side is even backing away from the fight or if it’s something they stand by). We don’t know his side is even complaining they went or it’s just them complaining they did and got whacked (I don’t know what they expected to happen).

The whole Megha thing is weird, because you’d think the legal counsel would have the sense to say “Look, we shouldn’t do this.” That’s why I’m asking the question about whether yanks think it is OK. Over here, you see that, it doesn’t promote safety, it threatens with the opposite. For example: If Punk has it in his contract that when appropriate, he has his own space and people can’t just walk into his locker room whenever they want — and Megha knows this — seeing them violate that could very reasonable be interpreted as “OK, they clearly aren’t here kindly because they’re willing to breach my contract and invade my personal space and that cunt is just saying it’s OK.” I don’t know why Megha is a calming factor at all — especially if she’s as deep in as some speculate.

If Tony wanted to discipline Punk for the scrum (and that’s an if, because he didn’t discipline Page), then it would have been a phone call or arranged meeting later, right? That’s how things would work over here, which is why I’m asking. Too many people have made it seem way too normal for a manager or executive to just storm into a locker room, office, toilet, what have you because they didn’t like something the employee did. Over here, that would be considered GROSSLY inappropriate and incompetent.

Let’s say it did happen: When do you think you would hear about it? During the investigation when he was asked to keep to quiet? Isn’t it possible the story hasn’t come out because Punk was doing what he was told and expected the company to take his side because it would be insane not to?

I mean, you hate Phil, right? You just said it would justify his actions in this circumstance. I wouldn’t say it’s a coincidence it’s coming out now, but if it was true, wouldn’t the dog wanker bringing the dog kickers back because it’s absolutely insane be the trigger for it coming out? You might not bring it up outside the context of the investigation if you’ve got faith in the investigation or don’t expect them to just get off. Or you could bring it up out of spite once everything is done because fuck those guys. It doesn’t mean it’s a lie. That would be a massive salvo to shoot off in your own ship.

Just think it’s way more likely the claim has either falsely been attributed to Punk (possibly by The Elite, because they insidious like that) or that or that it’s only coming out publicly now. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but I would imagine it’s perceived to be true. But it’s detrimental and unnecessary as a lie.

I agree. I wouldn’t do it. But I’m not an avid pet guy. Punk signed a massive contract and probably got some provisions thrown in there. Regardless of whether or not I would take my dog backstage to a wrestling show, if that’s a part of Punk’s process allotted to him by the company and he had an expected right to privacy in that locker room — well, that’s just more reason to get mad when the dog gets hurt.

I imagine some stars talk business in their private locker room. Some would have weird mental things they do and don’t want other people in their space for them. Some have private visitors. Punk playing with his dog before he spends time with another man’s wife and plans his next failed venture is all the more reason why seeing the company’s lawyer come barging in might have been more of a threat than less of one.

It’s still just wild to me that even Dave Meltzer is saying Lucy Guy wasn’t even consulted as part of the investigation.

I want to say “Come on, that can’t be true,” but it’s alarming that with AEW you can’t be sure.

I cleaned up the language a bit, but he was not talking about mentoring anybody. He literally said "if you have a fucking problem with me, take it up with me, let's fucking go".

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The Bucks tried, and Phil came out swinging.

That’s what I mean though. He said he’ll be up and down the hallways, not aisles, sorry. That makes him sound like an usher, ha. But he didn’t say come into my locker room. That was in regards to the mentoring. Something along the lines of “if a young guy wants advice, my locker room is always open.” I don’t think it was from the media scrum. But people are conflating his statement about his locker room being open for mentoring to his one about walking the hallways and to take your bullshit up with him.

That’s if you want to take those things literally anyway. And for all we know he stands by socking the Buck and is still like “Yeah, let’s fucking go.” I think they may have thought hiding in a group with so many people would have deterred him, but it’s like they went both looking for a fight but wanted him to be too scared at the same time. And Punk can’t take too many people, he can probably take a member of The Elite. :lol:

BREAKING: It has been confirmed that The Elite threw Larry up in the air and gave him a triple superkick

SOURCE: Trust me bro

Henry Cavill does

Bullshit! No way they would just simply throw him in the air. They would have done it in a way that Larry flipped and corkscrewed like Pac doing that the black arrow, and only then would they have hit to superkicks :lol:

Either way, this is all on Tony Khan.

1. Settle this shit before it gets to this point.

2. If a wrestler is actively bleeding, has not showered, has medically been declared fucking injured and needing surgery; don't have them to do a meaningless/pointless/no money making post media scrum PPV whatever. Just Don't!

3. Tony Khan should have shut that shit down.

4. The Elite should have let some of the dust settle; let CM Punk go to his locker room to decompress, shower, whatever and raise the issue at a more appropriate time after talking to The Boss who is obviously busy and unavailable.

5. Fuck an investigation! This is professional wrestling and if shit happens, it happens, go make fucking money off it. Had AEW spun all of this shit into an angle where the EVP Elites took out the AEW Champ backstage after ALL OUT and now Kenny Omega becomes the AEW Champ and Punk is just GONE! INJURED! MEGA HEAT. You could fix things while he gets surgery and rehabs... hey Punk here's 1 Million and I want you to get over this, heal up and be ready to do business when your ready. We're MAKING MONEY when you are ready.

6. They made this all pretty lame.

I'm at the point where I hope they did and followed it up with a BTE trigger with full poses.

Man... Punk went from Wrestling big deal to MMA joke back to fairly big wrestling deal and now hes claiming terrified self defence because management brought a lawyer into his dressing room.

I'm unashamedly with the Elite on this one until someone gives some indication they did anything other than exactly what Punk claimed he wanted while throwing his tantrum at the media session.

Anyway, in positive AEW vibes the womens divisions getting a lot better lately. I was certainly not into it other than Jade a little and now her act is starting to get stale with me but Hayter is just awesome.

Toni Storm is really growing on me, Shida is great, Riho is fun, Baker talking and not necesarily working is good, Saraya I can take or leave but happy to give it time to breath yet.

Generally the women have been better lately.

MJF face turn... not a fan, let him be a prick people cheer. I sincerely hope he out heels the heels and people still cheer him like a madman.