I just wish he sought help if he was having marriage problems or whatever. Like Bret said he thinks anyone in the entire roster would have helped out Chris and supported him if he was depressed or upset about something

It has to be a devestating blow to the locker rooms morale. I bet many are heartbroken, but are also angry at what happened but it will take people a long time to get over.

Yknow what would have made this all better? If they found Benoit dead dressed in his old Pegasus Kid outfit, and they pulled him out of the house. Kinda like the scene on Airplane with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

That was sent to me. A link was in the midst of it, the commentary at the end i don't know where it came from, but that's interesting.

Yeah that kid didnt look "normal" tbh

Sane men who work their ass off for 22 years to become successful in their dream job, have a long history of being a respectful employee/friend and a wonderful family man; who works on making a marriage work for 10 plus years of his life don't just throw all of that away without having a major mental breakdown or mental disease.

What he did is absolutely horrible, tragic and unfathomable. However, by all accounts, I don't believe Benoit was an evil, cold blooded human being. CLEARLY though, I think Chris must have become very mentally ill and incapable of making rational, sound decisions and obviously not in control of himself.

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With that said, I still respect everything he did in that damn wrestling ring.



R.I.P. Benoit Family

When I saw him on TV, he looked about 3 years old.

I will say I'm glad Chris' other 2 kids weren't in the house at the time, cause god knows it could've been worse. Can't even imagine how his ex will explain their Dad and brother's death to them

I am no Monk by any means, nor am I any kind of a Behavioral Psychologist, but I'm thinking that it's possible that this disease, and the stress coming from treating it, may have had alot to do with Benoit's state of mind.

I'm not excusing it or condoning it, but it is a possible explanation.

I'm normally disgusted by jokes that mock the dead...but in Chris Benoit case's, I say make fun of him all you want.

The Canadian Murderaaaa

hey, where's CanadianCrippla at these days anyways? (CC). Oh right, he's Instant Classic

From the good ol' c-fed forum. Enjoy

BENOIT!
BENOIT!

Benoit was a wrestler
I mean, he was a murderer wrestler
Or maybe he was just a murderer

But he was still BENOIT!
BENOIT!

Strangulating his lovely wife,
Smothering his kid
Texting off to poor Chavo
And hanging himself with a WEIGHT-ROOM WIRE!
WEIGHT-ROOM WIRE!

When all the cops are on the scene,
And everybody's dead
Only one guy will be hangin'.

My money's on BENOIT!
BENOIT!

And the Benoit hangs in the NIIIGHT...

Gonna have to say that it was very interesting going through the 16 pages of posts I missed since last night and seeing the range of emotions as well as the confusion over the facts and rumors.

It's hard for a lot of us to accept it, but it appears proven that Benoit murdered his family, then killed himself. We will never know why, and that will eat a lot of us up, because it's human nature to want to reveal the unknown. How could a seven year old have died by his own father's hand? It doesn't make sense. It never does. And yet, life is absolutely fucked up sometimes.

While I'm not going to instantly shun all of Benoit's 40 years of life, I can no longer look at him the same way, nor can I see his career in the same, formerly shining light. It's like OJ Simpson. How many people now look at him as one of the greatest wide receivers in football history, and how many people view him as a murderer who got away with it?

Reputation and character are always intertwined. And in the span of a nightmarish weekend, Benoit threw both away. Whether it was through immediate madness or the result of a gradual descent into delusion, the fact remains that he was obviously disturbed.

And as to why no one saw this coming... no one ever has the benefit of hindsight. That's why no one saw the VaTech killer coming. You can't just suspect everyone for the slightest little thing. So I wouldn't blame people for not seeing it until it's too late; that's human nature.

As for how the WWE is handling it now... I think this is the best they can do. Be serious and state the facts. Then take down anything that glorifies Benoit. Some might say that's too harsh, but that's the consequence. The WWE is handling this in the best way they can right now.

Joe Montana was a quarterback, you idiot.

I said http://www.nndb.com/people/823/000024751/jm.jpg

I'm a brit and luckily, we have CNN and Fox news over here. I heard about the press conference and switched on. My wife and I watched and it hit us hard. Throughout the whole thing, my eleven month old son was asleep in my arms.

I think that's when it dawned on me that it WAS Benoit that did it. When I was holding my little man and thinking that Daniel would never grow up, etc. I couldn't ever contemplate hurting my little boy, let alone entertain the thought of killing him. Benoit must have been pretty fucked up!!!

So yeah... I know you're just being you, but I can't find any way for that joke to make sense at all. :?:

Thoughts about the matter from the Sports Guy, Bill Simmons:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=16362

I have so many things running through my head and I have no idea how to express any of it. Maybe I'll say something at a later date, maybe I won't. I don't know.

Wow, just wow.

I can understand alot of the emotions that are running high on here right now.

For one, Benoit definitly had some issues, no doubt. But at the same time, I can see why he could've done something like this, and while I'm not saying what happened was right at all, I can grimly understand that reasoning about not wanting the kid to have to live with such a grim illness to go and just "put him out of his misery". Think of a dog who is really sick, and it would be more peaceful for the dog to be "put to sleep" than to live the rest of its life with that illness that would cripple it. Same here. In Benoit's mind, he was mearly doing the right thing. Not sure if the description of the death of Nancy really adds up, though. Something in all of this doesn't seem correct, and it seems as though nothing will be truly clear until we get some kind of hard evidence (all we have are text messages, heresay, and reports of "might of, could of, was very possible, almost definite"). They really need to get some DNA or something (I'm being serious, too, here. We don't even have a fucking autopsy yet) to give us something concrete. Comb that scene, get anything you can FIND to give us what we really need, because something in this doesn't add up.

With that being said, I don't think it would be right to just throw away any of what Benoit's career meant like it never happened. Regardless of what we may think of what his human attributes were during those final days, fact of the matter is, he was a damn good wrestler, he was a damn good human being for most of his life (sans whatever THIS mess, and yes, it is a mess, says to us otherwise), and we shouldn't be looking at his athletic ability any different, to be honest with you. I certainly won't be.

Back to the actual situation for a moment, too, since I just thought of something while writing that last paragraph. Did anyone remember Chavo's testimonial on RAW? How he described Chris "missing the flight" or something? I'll have to go back and watch it again to see if I got this right, but wasn't he talking about that exact weekend? If Chavo was talking on the phone with Chris, and he was complaining about missing some flight, wouldn't Chavo, for one, be the last person to talk to Chris before the tragedy, and wouldn't that put Chris in a sort of out of place situation? Again, I will have to check it again (I have it saved on my DVR, so I can watch it again, not going to right now, though), but I'm pretty certain one needs to listen to Chavo's testimonial again, because that could be a VERY interesting piece of info.

Why am I seeing that these investigators are fucking this case up royally somewhere?

I decided to watch Raw last night even though I wasn't sure if I shoujld.

I think Chavo said that having stayed with the Benoit's that he (Chavo) missed his flight whilst Benoit made his. I thik this was a different weekend.

The most resounding thing having watched Raw after knowing what had happened more fully was he testimonials given. It was so hard to hear the guys (and girl) talk about how much of a family man Benoit was. How much he loved his wife and kids. How they were the single most important thing to him.

Just sat there thinking how bad it must feel for the people who said those things to know the truth now. Even the little comments about how "intense" he was, or how "you couldn't escape him" or that he was "so private". It was all so surreal.

And my opinion o h stands like this. Benoit was one of my favourite wrestlers, he emboied waht wrestling is about, no nonesense, wrestlling machine. I loved to watch him work, but now, everytime I see his face, if I see him in a match, my thoughts are not "MAn this guy is/was good!", they're going to be "This guy killed his family."

It'll be a long time before I sit and enjoy (or even watch) a Chris Benoit match.

I'm not so sure if we should do that so soon. We still do not have any solid evidence linking one thing to another, and, in my mind (and this is just my own opinion right now, having being a firm believer in innocent until proven guilty), we're accusing Benoit too fast (God, I'm feeling uneasy saying that, but something in my gut is telling me to just not judge this too quickly, there's something else, and it's not just not wanting to believe the story or anything. I really do think, with all the issues regardling police investigations and not having one shread of DNA evidence being revealed or being looked at, that there's something not right). Steroids, abusive person, sickness, stressful business life and personal issues, whatever the hell else we're going to blame for this tragedy. It's funny that everyone has a different belief as to what could've caused it.

The only thing concrete they got (that they arre revealing to us) is something about a bruise on Nancy's neck. And you know, I'm puzzled about how QUICK they suddenly made that assumption that Benoit used his knee to hold her down (or that it WAS a knee-sized bruise). Think about this for a minute: In order to have that bruise come from ANY knee, think about how the human body would have to be positioned. He would have to be kneeling right on her, and whatever position you would think he could have to be able to DO such a feat, how in the fuck could he have been able to DO anything else (and I could make a safe assumption that he would want to be able to have some other type of leverage because such a bruise in that way would have to be going down REALLY hard, and Nancy DID have some long hair, and I would assume that it would give her SOME shielding)? He would have to keep his knee on her neck, while twisiting his body backwards, or be a complete contortonist. Picture yourself in that position. Plus, bruises, last I remember, are caused by actual hits, not doing what police are assuming. So, if Benot were to cause the bruise with his knee in THAT fashion, he would have to do a lunging knee drop onto her neck (one HELL of a feat), or be able to knee kick her in the neck. Both seem unlikely.

All I'M saying right now is that, by that alone, I'm thinking we have to wait for something that we can safely go on before we make all thee assumptions. Plus, OF FUCKING COURSE they are going to say Benoit did it. WHO ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO SAY DID IT?! Anyone know any other enemies the Benoit's had that would want to do something this disgusting?

And yes, I feel uneasy saying some of this stuff because there ARE alot of reports going around to say otherwise, but damn it, I can't accept what some of this stuff is as being looked into throughly.

As much as I respect your right to belive all of that...I think you're clasping at straws.

Lee I say this from my heart and you know how much I love dylan, the thought of doing anything like that destroys me.

But he must have been in a dark place, as you said we will never truly know what hapened in the house apart from how they were killed and he killed himsel.

From all the reports on him, from the testimonials, from what I've heard the guy loved his kid. So what the fuck happened

It's just a sad sitaution on all parts

As much as I respect your opinions, I hope to GOD you're wrong.

I may be. But part of me says to not accuse yet, and I'm just not going to until all the autopsies are done and we know everything, and no resonable doubt is left. Again, innocent until proven guilty.

Until then, we're basically putting Benoit's ghost and corpse in Gitmo.

At this point, yes, yes I think we are.

Whatever caused it, Benoit went fucking nuts. I don't think he was in his right mind when he did it, and I feel pity for him for that, though not nearly as much as I feel for his wife and son. But, contrary to what we are led to believe on prime time cop shows, police investigators generally know what they're doing. If there was still a strong possibility that there was someone else involved in this incident, then the public would be asked for information. It seems that isn't the case.

I'm not sure if I will be able to seperate Chris Benoit the amazing in-ring performer from Chris Benoit the killer. Right now my copy of his DVD is sitting on top of a pile of DVDs that are going to be taken to a local store and sold for credit, because I don't think I'll be able to watch it again. Some other people might, not me. Anyone who saw me post yesterday knows that I wanted to see if there was more to this story that would make some sense out of it, but I never got it. So that's pretty much it at this point.

Yeah, just ask 2Pac, OJ Simpson, Notorious BIG, Bill Clinton, and the people who Bush "knows" is a terrorist about that. They'll agree. :love:

EDIT: Sorry, man, but that part kind of screams "Yeah, RIGHT!!"

What you mentioned is about corruption, not ignorance or incompetence. Can you show me someone in law enforcement who is covering up facts concerning Benoit?

Addidum:

Case in point: In Wheeling, there has been this hunt for some guy that raped a 11 year old girl after kidnapping her in broad daylight (raped her in a church parking lot), drove her 5 minutes to do it, drove back, and left her for dead across the river. And the FBI is STILL looking for a "John Doe" and some old truck in which they STILL only have a sketch composite as the perputrator. This was AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FUCKING YEAR!!

I'm only happy that the Wheeling police are not investigating the Benoit thing, because we would NEVER get a clear answer at THAT rate.

You know what darkpower? I hope to God that you are right.

Since this story broke and the speculation began I've been hoping there was some fowl play along the way. The last thing I want is for one of my favourite wrestlers to be a killer.

But sadly, regardless of all the things that "don't add up", I can't see there being another explanation to this.

And DE, I have no idea what your point was in that post.

And that is an ENTIRELY different story. For that to have any relevance to the Benoit situation, they would have to be looking at the dead girl and have a sketch and a vehicle description and be saying "well, we're not sure what happened." In the current situation, we know who is dead, and there is nothing that suggests that anyone else was involved.

Not saying anyone is....I guess part of me is not accepting it...I just want to be 100% sure...I think we're only 80% right now...something is just not settling right...they're only human, after all.

I guess I have a good talent for seperating the murderous guy from the talented guy. Not ready to say "I can't watch any Benoit matches anymore" because I still can...I will never regret marking out when he won the title at WM20.

Actually, I was just posting that to show how STUPID and LAZY some police people are. Didn't really have any relation.

If I'm competly right in this (and I don't know WHAT the fuck to believe right now), then they really need to fire everyone and hire me. :lol:

That is, after I get done with how freaked out I'd be if that were to happen. :shifty:

I can agree with that, but the thing is that even a stupid and lazy cop can look over a property with a double-murder suicide on it and figure out if anyone else was present at the time, or even if there's a reason to believe that there was.

BREAKING NEWS: CANADA GOOSE MURDERS CHRIS BENOIT, FAMILY
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With all the sudden talk about police and shit being a bunch of fucktards, we need someone to stand up...time to call in....
http://www.atlantaboy.com/photos/unc...cy_grace_1.jpg
NANCY "I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER" GRACE

SHE'LL get to the bottom of this!

lol, shit, i actually stopped to work out how to spell it. Feel sooooo stoopid right now!

I'd like to get to the bottom of her. :naughty:

What? She's hot.

Yeah, once you put a fucking paper BAG over her head.

Oh fuck you, I'd do her before Paris Hilton ANY day.

Now THAT, I may agree with you on.

Ok then. See, we can all find some happy fun ground sometimes. :D

I'd still put a paper bag over her head...

With Paris, you don't need a bag, just five condoms on your cock when you go to actually hit it.

5 are not enough. :shifty:

The only safe amount is the amount that makes it impossible to put it in there.

I have to agree with darkpower on this,some things do just not make sense in the way they have been described.

OMG MAKE SURE TO EMAIL ME WHEN U DO POST UR "MIND THOUGHTS!"

I don't think I could BUY that many condoms.

:wtf:


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I don't think that many condoms EXIST. :shifty:

Im serious now, anyone still thinking Benoit didnt do this is as crazy as he is/was.

Just not going to say anything one way or the other until at least those reports come out in a few weeks.

At this point, I accept that he did it, I'm waiting for more reports to start passing out blame and condemnation.

What more do you want?

Fuck :nono:

Uhh, dude...what's wrong with having everything there....I'm....kinda just expressing my view on this. Not saying he didn't or anything. I'm just trying to be respectful and actually using something called the AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM!!

You're basically telling me to fuck all MY morals just so I can please someone? C'mon!

To me, its arguable anyone willing to take another human life (in any circumstance besides self-defense) is not in his/her right mind. Benoit clearly was not in his right mind. My guess is after killing his wife, he just totally sunk into lunacy and lost complete touch with reality and any comprehension of right or wrong. In fact, killing his son and himself probably was more justifiable in his crazed mind then not doing so.

I think in the long run, Benoit's wrestling legacy will be strictly as a tutorial for up and coming wrestlers. You want to learn how to put on a wrestling clinic in the ring and execute hundreds of moves to perfection? Watch a Benoit match. But celebrating the man's accolades and accomplishments like you would any past champion or popular superstar who DIDN'T murder his family just seems wrong.

Regardless, I don't think his legacy should be thrown away...even if he is a murderer. This is more of a "this is what happens when you do steroids, this is what will happen" then a "Benoit is a murder, he was planning this from day one" sort of thing to me (part of the reason I'm waiting for the toxicity reports before passing any judgment).

Aparently this was found hidden at the Benoit house:







http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4...itshirtbo7.jpg











:shifty: Too soon?

Last Man Standing at the Benoits.

He is a murderer, He has destroyed any legacy he had or would have had

from NoDq.com

OMG BRET SCREWED BENOIT!!!!!!!














Too Late? :shifty:

It may destroy the image and the reputation, but it never destroys the past. It can never erase the past, regardless of the crime.

Why is it so hard for people to understand? I know I'm in a very small minority here, and I already can tell my opinion is pretty unpopular, but I have to stand my ground here. Regardless of what anyone thinks right now, I want to see what the hell the OFFICIAL reports say before making any final judgment. We can go and accuse, we can all disagree, tell anyone else they are wrong and that they are retarded cunts for a position they take on this, but thing is, it's just something that I, as a human being who has always believed of innocent until proven guilty, cannot go and pass judgment on ANYONE before all of the evidence is process and fairly looked at and found out what went wrong here. It's not because I'm trying to defend a murderer or anything (but again, everyone has a right to a defense here), it's just something that I feel I should be doing, and if anyone sees me as being wrong, then so be it, but I'm going to wait and see. Chances are he ODed or the roids and went out of his mind.

Now, if he was stable, and aware of his actions, then the insanity plea wouldn't apply here, and I would be more than happy to send him to his execution. But more than likely, there is at the very least, an insanity plea being seen here. I don't know. Again, just something that I've always believe in doing, because you never know. Just bear with me on this, it's just the heart in me cannot possibly send someone, anyone, to their execution without seeing EVERYTHING there was to see.

Just like to add my updated opinion. While I was holding out for some kind of alternate explantion as to what happened, its all now obvious.

I still respect, admire, love and will watch Chris Benoit the character (through DVDs etc obviously) and the dedication and loyalty he had for the wrestling industry was a paramount aspect of why I often looked up to him.

But for Benoit the person, the man he has shown to truely be, he should burn in hell.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d/Radicalz.jpg

If the trend continues it doesn't look good for the man of 1,000 holds or the man who molested Pepe. :wtf:

Which brings up a good question, since I don't watch wrestling anymore, is Perry Saturn even still alive?

Also, didn't Dean Malenko have throat cancer or something?

Thinking about Chavo there now. He's gotta' be pretty fucked up right now. How do you recover from something like this after losing your two best friends in these circumstances?

and Malenko to an extent.

I read on wiki, so it could be false, at some point after leaving WWE, Saturn attempted to stop some guy raping a woman, got shot 2 in the neck and eventually returned to the indy circuit. Fuckin soldier he is.

Yeah, what the fake king said.

I prayed for god to have mercy on his soul.

Benoit's got something to say.
He killed his baby today!
It doesn't matter much to him now that he's dead.[/Misfits]

I don't wish anyone to Hell, the after-life is none of my business.

Heaven's just an unlikely end point for Benoit.

This effects me more than anything else has as a wrestling fan since I've always been a Benoit mark and he's always been my favorite wrestler. More than that, I've always looked up to him as a wrestler and have always thought of him as a good person. I am not going to make any comments on his death other than R.I.P to him, his wife, and his son because I do not know the exact circumstances of it despite what's been reported, I wasn't there. I will always respect him, miss him, and continue to watch him. R.I.P Chris Benoit.

Chavo?

Yes, I would also like to wish for the best and send my regards to Chavo, Dean Malenko, and anyone else who was close to Benoit and his family.

I was asking if you were Chavo...

Welcome to TPdub.

As a wrestler, whose health is paramount, I doubt he would've been wrestling, let alone able to if this was the case. Im pretty sure after all the knocks, bumps and whatnot they are scanned/checked monthly or even weekly for things like that.

Yeah, that old gem. He wasn't really guilty, he was crazy. If being drunk is no excuse for commiting a crime, then neither is being crazy.

Meh, you choose to get drunk. If going out of his mind wasn't his fault, then I can't hold him fully responsible. Unless he went crazy because of something he chose to do.

For those who say you can choose to be drunk but NOT choose to be crazy....

http://www.mattwolf.info/images/tomcruise.jpg

I rest my case. :shifty:

On a more serious note, I don't think he was crazy, I think he snapped and then went crazy. He was fine until his wife called him and told him something that set him off. He flew home and lost it, killing her in the process. Once the reality set in of what he did he went off the deep end. Fear of his son growing up with what he did besides the fact of his handicap which had to play a factor into Benoits feelings towards his son, he contemplated it for a day and decided to end his son's life.

Not being able to live with what he had done along with going to jail and all the other ramifications (Friends/family/WWE/judicial system) that he would have to face, he took his own life, which after he killed his whole family took a day in itself to come to that conclusion.

I don't think he was crazy, I think he lost his temper in a fit of rage (Like it has been documented in the past with his abuse and furniture smashing)(BENOIT SMASH! :$ ) and killed his wife, which was the point of no return. And return he didn't. :-\

Note: I think it's eerily fitting that his signature taunt was the thumb across to throat as in he's going to cut off your head or it can now be taken as the media has thrown around so much lately, "asphyxiation".

example: he chose to do roids and roids are found to be the reason for what happened.

then, it's his own fault.

you smoke crack, you become a retard drooling on yourself because you smoked the crack it's your own fault.

you get drunk, you drive, you kill someone it's your own fault.

you choose to do roids, you rage, you kill someone it's your own fault.

On another note, probably the only reference to Benoit on anything WWE related (Besides the front page section where WWE basically, as someone put it best "Throws Benoit under a bus")

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/videos/
The tribute video that aired on RAW.

All very true. And if steroids or any other choice that he made turns out to be the reason for this, then yeah, fuck him.

I fail to see what this horrendous act has do to with his professional career. But whatever.

Also that roid bit is bs. There is a one day sepreation between all the killings. Roid rage doesn't work like that. Sounds more like Seppuku.

^ Exactly what im thinking Destor, the fact that there's almost a whole day seperation shows he knew what he was doing, to an extent atleast. Its weird the more i hear about this the more its starting to sink in and the more uneasy i feel. I haven't really been that affected yet.

I'm with darkpower. Regardless of what the media is saying, since they only like to trash pro wrestling and are trying in every way to make this look as bad as possible, I'm waiting for the whole story to come out before I say that he shoud rot in hell. Part of me doesn't even want to know what made this happen, but it's the only way to get closure.

Seriously. No sane person WANTS to know the details. None of us WANTED to watch the press conference yesterday for entertainment. Nobody WANTED to know exactly how these things were done. But otherwise we simply wander around for eternity with an unresolved issue, and most people's minds don't like to leave things unresolved.

The day long seperation between each murder is what makes the whole thing worse. I know some people don't want to believe it, but the fact is that no matter how you slice it Chris Benoit was a sick fuck. He did what he did and I just don't think theres a way around it.

Personally, I don't see how anyone can get past it. Technically, his career is still the same. But it's the same guy who flipped out and killed his family, it's a murderer. How often have you been entertained by a child murderer and watched them regularly? And how often have you continued to watch them?
To me, I think without a doubt the whole thing destroyed his career and legacy and everything about him.
I guess people can call their own shots. But to be honest I think anyone who says that Chris Benoit the man isn't Chris Benoit the wrestler bullshit is just in denial. I think it's really just a way of telling yourself some bullshit so you don't have to come to terms with it, and more pathetically, so you don't have to give up one of your wrestlers and some favorite matches.
Me, I have no problem doing it. I look at him, what he did to his family, what he did to his friends, what he did to his fans, his coworkers, his business and least of all his own legacy...I look at what he did and I see a monster and probably the biggest peice of shit that belongs in hell.

The thing that's weird about it, is not only is he a child murderer and wife killer, he's one that many of us have been in a presence of. One that all of us have watched. And one that most of thought we knew better, as wrestling fans falsey tend to do. Truth is we didn't. And now all I can say is true colors.
Usually when you hear about a filthy murderer, you hear about them because of what they did. Normally you don't know of them before it.

darkpower:
At this point, authorities have ruled it a double murder homicide. I recognize that it's very hard for you to accept that he did this, but unless there's video footage of him doing it, you're not going to get more proof than this. For a homicide investigation, this was absurdly fast. That means that when officers entered the home, it was so obvious what happened that they only had to check against other possible methods, rather than start from everything that might have happened and narrow that list down.

As painful as it is to accept, something in Benoit snapped, and he went into deliberate insanity. That is to say... he was aware of what he was doing, but his mental state of mind was obviously not normal. And all of this transpired over an extended period of time.

I liken the state of mind to the VaTech killer, who killed two people, went back to his dorm and mailed some shit, then went out and killed two dozen more people elsewhere before offing himself. This was deliberate on his part; no one will argue that. But obviously, the guy had some serious mental problems to drive him to that point.

I think Benoit had something similar that he kept to himself or to his family that drove him past the brink of deliberate insanity. Steroids MIGHT have contributed to that. Maybe they were what pushed him past the first act of murder, and after that, there was no turning back. OR maybe they had nothing to do with anything, and his mind had just already become so twisted that the murders would have happened regardless of drug use.

You know how in cults, members can be convinced of the craziest things? Consider this sort of a case of Benoit brainwashing himself, in a way. This wasn't "normal Benoit," but this wasn't a sudden fit of rage either. Not with confirmation that he killed Nancy on Friday, Daniel on Saturday or early Sunday morning, and himself later on Sunday.


In Regards to His Career:
People are right in saying that this deed, despite its despicable nature, cannot and should not ERASE his entire heralded career. But it taints it. A lot. People cannot help but look at it differently. No one looks at OJ and remembers his career more than his murder trial. Today, people see him as a sleezebag who got away with it. His actions as a human being tainted his legacy as a sportsman.

Lets face it: wrestlers are people too, and as much as you'd like to separate the two, human nature dictates that a person's character affects his performance legacy.

And even if you want to say "Benoit killing his family has no connection with his in-ring performances and his wrestling career..." Well, actually, I think it does. Think of the blow this deals to the WWE. Think of how he's crushed fans and colleagues who loved him, looked up to him, and viewed him. Think of the bad publicity he's dealt to the company. As an ambassador of the WWE, he represents the WWE, and more than most people because of his clout. But by doing what he did, he paints the WWE in a bad light, because people will see that a representative of a company brough violence out of the storyline and into real life.

So if you understand that argument, then you'll understand that in reality, Benoit's actions DO affect wrestling. They DO affect his legacy. His legacy is one of tremendous performance and excellence in the ring--only it ENDS with the most disgusting downfall anyone has ever seen.

Do you know the worst part of his killing himself? He leaves the WWE to pick up the pieces. Had he given himself up or stayed alive, he might be able to explain himself, or at least deflect the heat off the company by saying work didn't have anything to do with this (admittedly, he'd also have the chance to blame the company if he wanted to, but at least people could judge his manner and reaction and see if the blame was valid or not). But he killed himself. And at least in that way, the suicide was extremely selfish, because it ignored how his friends and his company would pick up after him.


Basically:
I can never look at Benoit the person the same way again. None of us can. But I can't look at him as a wrestler in the same way either, because like it or not, his actions as a person DID affect his legacy as a wrestler. They're not as divided, black and white, as some people want to believe. At least not the way I see it.

I believe Benoit killed his wife and family. Anyone who doesn't is in denial, similar to who some people believe Elvis or Tupac are alive, or that the World Trade Center was blown up by the feds and not terrorists. I am not denouncing those people for sticking with Benoit. I'm not calling you an idiot or saying you're stupid. You have every right to take your stance, because that's what fans do. But I am saying you're in denial, and I would urge you to accept what seems to be proven as soundly as possible under our legal and investigative system. As hard as that is to stomach.

Exactly. I've accepted the facts. He isn't and never will be anything to me other than a massive scumbag.

He claimed to be a family man, he claimed to love the business, he claimed to love his best friends, he claimed to be a man's man, and he claimed to be a fan and lockerroom favorite.
He let everyone down, to say the very least.
I look at him and just have hate. To be honest, I don't know how guys like Vince, Flair, Foley, Malenko, Jericho, Rey, HHH and all of the rest of them can't look at him and feel the same.
I'm very interested to hear comments regarding him. As far as I'm concerned, he's nothing but a child murderer.

That's a great point. I forgot to point this out in my above Alienoidasm (Alienoidasm - (noun) A long, apparently rambling post that actually makes good points and is well thought out, but may be hard to read because it's so damn long...). We've seen cases like this before in the news... dad kills wife and kids. Or dad kills kids. Or mom kills children.

We're quick to denounce these murderers. Heck, at another message board I frequent, many posters are denouncing Benoit. They don't know him. It's not a wrestling forum. They're seeing this from the common person's perspective. In Benoit's case, it's because we've loved and respected him in the ring. But how are we to know that he was fine outside of it? He was a very private person anyway. Even his friends might not have known, or been able to know.

The only difference here is that we knew and respected Benoit as a wrestler and "as a person" (or at least we thought we knew him as a person) before we knew him as a murderer. That's what makes this pill so tough to swallow.