Feel like ishii has phoned it in every time hes been in AEW.

Somehow Tiny has promised tonight will be the most eventful Dynamite EVER! How does he do it every single week, is there no ceiling?!?!? #LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

This is gonna be a historic week for AEW! Can't wait for MJF to be the surprise opponent for Mox!

It's gonna be Triple H. He's gonna come in, challenge Mox for the title and the fate of the company. Match with lots of goofy shit. Triple takes the AEW World Title and company.

Unless they come back with something BIGLY YUGE, the ship has sailed on the MJF story.

I think we find out if AEW is going to officially cross the event horizon into "lol tna" territory.

What am I looking forward to at the ppv at this point? Is there a single story that anyone gives a fuck about? Sure, you might have a couple of good matches but without much behind them its forgotten about as fast as Forbidden Door.

I remember the time I watched and they DID announce their main event match well in advance of Kenny Omega vs Adam Page..... but then they did very little to actually build to that match while the internet "filled in the heat/story" for themselves and hyped themselves for it, even though the build on TV was lackluster and was more focused on the next challenger for the title and not the current one.

What's Wardlow up to? Random 6 man tag with jobber stable.

What about Hook? Nowhere to be found.

Darby? Is he even booked?

Jade? No heat match vs Athena

Pac? Random indy defenses of the 33rd title on AEW TV.

FTR? Random 6 man tag.

Andrade? Miro? Black? Punk? MJF? Page? Cole?

I mean my God wtf is going on?

hook is feuding with one half of 2.0 lol

Christ.....I'm going to start drinking and join Tik Toc. That's how I feel about this.

Ok I do care about Starks and Hobbs but I just know thats going to get botched the way everything else is going.

Starks versus Hobbs and Jungle Boy versus Christian are the best programs going in because they have actual stories behind them they haven’t been drawn out for months on end and they’re helping in getting 3 young guys TV time and getting them over.

The ppv will likely deliver. But the build outside of those two matches has been the shits. The Bucks should’ve held on to the titles and he heading into their rubber match for those titles against FTR.

I’d rather see Swerve and Lee in a singles program against each other since that’s where they liked to be going until a random title win that’s done nothing for them.

Miro v Malakai was tailor made to happen after forbidden door.

It should be Toni Storm v Britt for the title. Hayder doesn’t need to be in the match. She should cost Britt the match on accident and then demolish her to turn face at the end. But that’s another long term story finishing to start a new one with Toni finally winning a big match and beating their top women to do it. She moves on and we’re finally get Hayter v Britt at the next ppv.

Wardlow has no story. The easy path was to build up Ethan Page after his buddy Scorpio was squashed, and keep him involved with Wardlow demanding a title shot and getting it at the ppv. Instead Wardlow has been directionless.

There’s 5 matches with history and easy builds that were passed on but make way more sense.

I can see Punk getting the title back Sunday, and then turning heel the following week. It’s dumb, since there’s no real reason for him to be a heel right now unless they’re bringing MJF back to oppose him, which would generate a massive pop since they’re running the New York are soon and MJF will be cheered as a babyface if or when he’s back.

The casino ladder match has a bunch of mid card guys in there, which I hate because even if they’re just going to be fed to Punk or Moxley, I want to at least believe they’d have a chance. We’ll see who the joker is.

But yeah, this is the most dire run of the company so far. Fly by night booking work very little long term direction.

I’d have Starks win by roll up counter to the spine buster. Have Hobbs immediately attack him after the match and spine buster him through a table or on the steps or a chair. Sell the neck injury. Build up a to a street fight at Grand Slam. Easy. We won’t get this probably but it’s one of the easiest stories Tony has that he can book simply and still get a lot out of it.

New Japan knows how to present their guys to cover up weaknesses. They go somewhere else and the “best in the world” look meh.

I don’t get this “drama.” As soon as he shows up it’s just “oh, he’s back.” What is being achieved by keeping him off TV? That’s why I’m pretty sure this isn’t a work. MJF is either sorting out some personal shit or he’s being iced while they argue about his contract. If this is a work, it’s all-time bad.

They lean on this a lot.

Starks should be breaking out. He recently spoke out against the drama being distracting bullshit. Steve Austin cutting through HBK and Bret vibes. This company won’t know how to run with him. Too many toes being stepped on.

There are sputterings that Bobby Fish’s contract is not getting renewed.

That would make total sense to break up Undisputed Elite by beating down the Bucks so Kenny can come back and not renew Fish before they can have a single match, Tony is such a good booker!!! :eek:

Now reading reports Fish is already a free agent, that his contract expired yesterday.

Is it weird to anybody else Tony signed Fish to a 10-11 month contract but gave Kyle O'Reilly a 5 year deal?

The difference between the 2 contracts is strange but Fish was always the bottom of the rung guy in Undisputed Era. Not sure where he even goes.

That does sound weird. Lio Rush had a similar thing before he was “released.” I wonder if there are cycles TK can use as outs or if talent have a certain number of dates?

Fish can find work in Impact Wrestling, New Japan or in NXT as a player/coach. Team him with Bobby Roode and Bobby Lashley as the Ripped Roberts (Daddies). RRD.

There doesn’t seem to be anything confirmed, but the rumors from Fightful and Raj Giri seem to be that Malakai Black has asked for his release.

I can see Buddy Matthews wanting out too. He’s been suspended in AEW, is part of a terrible faction, Triple H has power and it looks like his girlfriend might be put into a love story with Dominik Mysterio (and we know how those go).

Hell, I can see almost everyone wanting out of that shithole.

Rhodes backing out is pretty telling. They all kno theyve got a mark for a boss. No worker wants to answer to a mark. Its anathema

LOL Tiny out here blowing up against people questioning his booking of women again

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No doubt. The current backstage problems are also a symptom of this. It’s working for some guys because the mark is a mark for them.

Oof.

OOF indeed!

Bury that one FAST. Not a good look.

There’s nothing wrong with giving Punk more time. That doesn’t mean you go and bury your talent, lol.

I dunno, you said the AEW women's division is shit, and there's nothing wrong with giving Punk more time.


They did that, and then oof?

The oof is at Tony Khan’s self-own and treatment of his talent. I’d prefer it if they didn’t have a shit division in the first place. He’s stepped in his own shit there.

So him agreeing with your idea that giving Punk more time is okay is... somehow different?

Yes, it is.

1. I didn’t book the division.

2. They’re not talent on my payroll.

The issue isn’t Tony Khan giving CM Punk more time for a promo. It’s how he responded to the question of why.

“Why didn’t you push this person?”

“They’re not good enough.”

Yeah, that’s an oof.

That's how it goes in the business.


It's no different than any other booker, historically speaking.

Lol, are you still talking about the choice to give Punk a longer segment? I’m not arguing that. It’s not customary to be such a public dingbat about your talent at all.

Customary? Perhaps.




Any different historically? No.

Basically a bunch of morons complained about something stupid, Tony was asked about it at a media call and stated the obvious explanation and now it’s “oof”.

Lol That’s how you assessed his explanation of Punk getting a longer promo than Thunder Rosa.

Amazing good faith conversation there.

It is different historically. You’re not going to find too many examples of bookers/promoters going out there and saying the things TK is saying. It’s a fairly new thing.

Malakai Black’s desired departure from AEW is said to be for mental health issues. If true, that’s not good. I hope he gets everything he needs to sorted, shit wrestling presentation aside.

Tony has already come out and said he hasn’t asked for his release.

Oh everything is fine and dandy then nvm

Silly me.

Dirtsheets reporting something negative about AEW = the truth.

Do you deny there’s a large pro-AEW bias in the wrestling media?

More like LAME-stream media. Amiright??

fake (wrestling) news

Just like he went out of his way to point out Punk is a super nice guy and had NOTHING to do with Colt Cabana not being allowed to come to AEW, just hours after Punk freaked out because a fan tried to chant Colt Cabana. Tony never spins anything :rofl:

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Nash loves him some Orange Cassidy. Praises Punk putting guys over.

If you can watch ren and stimpy youll like orange cassidy"

Big Ren and Stimpy fan. I clearly need to give Orange Cassidy another shot.

Lol, classic Nash covering his bases.

It could very well be spin/damage control. My point was more that Noid is stating it as fact. Tony is saying otherwise.

I said “it’s said to be.” I’m not stating it as fact. It’s from the dirt sheets. But negative AEW news is not the norm. That shit used to be buried on purpose.

Do you disagree with this? And did Tony say that Malakai Black was happy or did he just say that he hasn’t requested a release?

I think the issue is bigger than that, in many directions:

1. An injury announcement involving a champion shouldn't be a ratings consideration.
2. It didn't have to be a 8 minute bit. It just should have been longer than 30 seconds and in front of the live audience.
3. Speaking of said live audience, not long after the announcement, Britt comes out to the crowd and buries your Champion, again.
4. Also, if there is any veracity to the heat between Rosa and Baker (which I am sure there is, given the parties involved), it looks as though Khan is taking sides. And it is with the party he is seen with in public at various sporting events. The same party who gets more screen time than both women's champions. As much as Vince was derided for having a "type" let's say. He wasn't having his picture taken standing next to Sable and taking her to big events with him.
5. The AEW Women's Division is not a draw. No lie there. That is because in no small part because it isn't treated as a priority. WWE had the same problem until Triple H noticed that four of the girls in developmental were bigger stars than most of the guys, and not just with horny dudes.

Guys, Thunder Rosa sucks on the mic.

It is just saying "I am gonna be out of action. Thank you and I'll be back to reclaim what's mine." That doesn't require much. No one is expecting her to bust out "Austin 3:16".

The “said to be” part is about the reason. Your sentence reads that his departure is desired (fact) and the reason is for mental health (speculation).

Tony just stated he didn’t ask for a release, didn’t mention happiness/mental well-being. I’d suspect Black isn’t happy/mentally well but this isn’t referenced anywhere by Tony, or by me when I said Tony has come out and said he didn’t ask for a release, you’ve raised that.

But we’ve been here before. Now you say “that’s the way you’ve read it”.

Everything on the show should be a ratings consideration.

Lol I may or may not even take issue with the other points you made. But the first issue stood out as something I disagreed with. So I addressed it. That’s not cherry picking.

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Tony tweeted that Andrade is at the cricket.

Bingo. There are ways to treat talent *you* put into position with dignity that isn’t 1:1 exactly the same thing. Her not being the promo Punk is isn’t the point in the slightest.

Well, it is the way you read it, sunshine. I am telling you, right now, I did not mean to state it is a fact. You can either be a #1-mark about it, or you can listen to what I’m saying.

I think you’re joking about the potential innocuousness of the tweet, but maybe talent should be more careful about what they post on social media.

AEW fans are already running with this and turning on Andrade something fierce. Just the usual tho.

I guess Andrade needs to find the sport that is more boring than his matches. Women’s tennis isn’t going to do it.

He says while avoiding actually admitting he was wrong for the thousandth time.

By the way, Tony Khan’s relationship to the ratings is so infantile. There’s no way he legitimately runs a promotion with that misunderstanding of what the numbers mean. It’s a total scapegoat to drag Rosa. If he misspoke, he needs to speak less. But he’s just using that to justify his shit booking, which is more to the point people are making (not that Rosa cutting a 8 min promo would be good).

If TK wanted higher ratings, get rid of the acts that cap your product. The guys with the gimmicks that shit all over what you’re doing, the guys with change-the-channel daylight between their shit. It’ll take time and a bit to course correct with the women because YOU and YOUR TEAM have cultivated the perspective there.

Maybe he would hire a booker if he wanted higher ratings? Maybe he wouldn’t waste guys like Danielson, MJF and Wardlow?

Everyone knows that wrestling fans don’t count for much with advertisers anyway. Acting like your prerogative is solely to get the highest ratings for your segments is bullshit of the highest order.

Noid's "I didn't say what you say I said even though everyone can read exactly what I said" gimmick is really something.

I said: “Malakai Black’s desired departure from AEW is said to be…” You can read it as his desired departure is fact. I thought it would go without saying that the speculative nature would apply to the whole statement without needing to paste ALLEGEDLY everywhere. “Malakai Black’s ALLEGED departure from AEW is ALLEGED to be because of ALLEGED mental health issues.” Fixed it for ya?

It’s obviously not fact Malakai Black wants out. It’s common sense, but it’s not fact. Yet.

So here’s the series of events…

- There were some rumblings from the wrestling media that Malikai Black wanted out.

- Noid relayed that report and tacked on a speculated reason with his usual smug “lolAEW”.

- XL stated that the owner of the company said the entire premise was not accurate.

- Noid scoffed at that and then tried to excuse himself by claiming he was never working with the assumption that any part of this was true as he went down his “speculated reasons, lolAEW” rabbit hole.

- He’s now OVER-correcting his mistake with too many “ALLEGEDS” to paint the original objection as ludicrous after he was called out. As opposed to just saying “I probably shouldn’t have even commented on this to begin with. My bad.”

Side note: Noid would really like you to know that there is pro-AEW bias in the wrestling media as a whole but he is only interested in good faith conversations.

LOL #1boilingFan's hero

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Mark Zuckerberg for a guest Rumble spot, pls.

Or team him with Kerry Morton as the modern day York Foundation. Kerrence Morton.

Still triggering cumdorx to try to get his heat back weeks after being “ignored”. Damn I’m good.

#1-norm-fan is boilin' for a fight!

… and karaoke after.

#1Fan-in-TATTERS :lol::lol::lol:

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xrod BOILINGTATTEREDSIMMERINGDUNKEDONROFLROFLROFL over his genius strategy to derp without being made fun of EXPLODING in his face. Much like Punk does at the end of his schoolgirl crush fantasies.

Lol, TK did another paid for interview with Forbes where he said AEW generates over $100 million in revenue and a bunch of AEW bots are going nuts over it like “See! It’s a success!” Given they get $45 million in TV rights and split ad revenue with Warner Bros Discovery 50/50, you’d hope they would generate >$90 mil before you even get to PPV, ticket sales and merchandise. That doesn’t say anything about their overall profits though.

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Something’s gotta give.

Damn that made me feel bad for him.

This is all by his design.

Malakai Black has been granted a conditional release.

I’ve read it for mental health reasons. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.

Really thought after his debut he’d be a top heel in the company but he’s gone mostly nowhere and he’s no longer a singles act, either. I wonder if the conditional release just means he’ll be back in AEW whenever he’s ready.

They had a god damned super villain and they just put him in a nowhere feud with Cody and a bunch of 6 man matches. SMH

If Malakai was actually working hurt with (by his own admission on Twitch) really severe back issues, or otherwise struggling, then working 6-man tags and nothing too high pressure, was probably the most appropriate way he could've been booked. That sort of thing goes to show that there's always a hundred stories and different reasons behind why someone is booked the way they are, beyond what you see on TV.

That said it's a damn shame, a lot more could've been done with a fully healthy Malakai. If he's struggling mentally I hope he gets all of that taken care of before he goes into whatever he's gonna do next.

Yes if he was dealing with a long term injury then obviously they did the best they could considering. I didnt know he was though.

Surprised more talent don’t get out from both companies on conditional releases. He seemed like he was going to be a big project for them. He was never really that good. I think they bought into Meltzer’s bullshit about him being a chosen one, then they got stuck with him.

I wonder if the release is for all wrestling or if it just excludes WWE? Because Court Bauer used to be nuts about the guy. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him in MLW.

I think both parties rushed into commitment because of the whole 30 day compete fiasco. Strike while the iron is hot, stick it to WWE type thing when Black could have done with some time off by all accounts. Would explain the release from WWE a little more if he wasn’t ready to return. Or did he injure himself in AEW?

I thought he injured himself in AEW, but if he didn’t, there should be a more careful screening process when it comes to bringing guys in.

Pretty sad to see Malakai go but it sounds like its more a health/personal thing so good on him for calling it. If he turns up in WWE again so be it but I really hope he returns to AEW at some point.

I'm curious what they do with HOB, I could see Buddy and Brody making an excellent tag team with Julia managing them if they chose to go that way and wait to see if Black returns but I feel like this leaves Julia a bit exposed.

Not to sure how good Buddy or Brody are on the mic but one of them needs to be able to hold up that end of the bargain a little bit if they go this route because I dont think Julia is ready to do al the talking.

How come The Rock is opening up the NFL season instead of somebody that is an actual megastar like Dante Martin or Tony Nese?

Damn. The “Tony Nese and Dante Martin are megastars” crowd has officially been checkmated.

Can you believe it? Jake Hager resigned with AEW and given a raise, damn.

He’s Jericho’s buddy. He’s going to have a job standing there for $1 million a year whether it’s warranted or not.

For those thinking Vince would've handled this better than Tony, that's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Vince wouldn't have run the post-match scrum--which is probably a credit to him in this instance. They're pointless anyway because all they do is break kayfabe. However, Vince on TV outside of a WWE context (and not on a late-night talk show where he used to do okay) is a dumpster fire. The Bob Costas interview is a fucking disaster and I can't remember the other one where he came across as a psychopath, but he's bad. Those appearances were probably why he never appeared outside of anything WWE produced for the past could of decades.

Also, he wouldn't have suspended anyone if he could've gotten away with it. If the network execs wanted it to happen, then maybe. But he wasn't some grand disciplinarian. Sure, he's a bully--but not someone who'd suspend his main stars. Maybe if it were a couple of underneath guys he'd have fired them.

In fairness--I'd prefer if nobody got suspended because this is pro wrestling and backstage fights happen. Could've slapped'm with fines and made them work it out.

Fines are wank and hardly serve a purpose.