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As for the "realism" of this, this is probably the first time I've literally felt sick at what someone did. There have been more heinous things that I've read about, but I've never felt physically ill about what someone did. I suppose following Benoit for 10+ years and THINKING I know at least his basic fundamentals really hit me hard.
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That press conference really hit me like a ton of bricks.
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What made me cringe was when they said Nancy was tied up. That felt like a damn punch to the gut, and it was the kind that pisses you off more than hurts you.
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Yeah man, same here. I am completely disgusted. I liked Chris so much, I dunno how I feel anymore. I think he's a sick fuck now actually, I can't see him in the same light. All the accomplishments, all the hard work, all the times I marked out for him, don't mean shit to me anymore. If he couldn't take it, he coulda killed himself, and not take his 7 YEAR OLD kid and his wife with him. Take time off WWE, Get some help, but for fuck's sake, don't murder your family. What's really sick is that he killed Nancy, and then Daniel the next day, and then he commited suicide. What kind of cold blooded sick fuck could do that?! So disgusted right now.
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Vince is on the defence already.
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It really seems as if WWE is acting like he never existed now. I was even looking through some of the other dvd's on shopzone, and his name has been removed from almost everything. Even on WM 23, Benoit/MVP is not in the match listings.
For me, it really takes a week or 2 to sink in knowing he's not going to be around every week. Now even though i'm disgusted by what he did, especially killing his defenseless son, I don't want to pass complete judgment until I hear why he would do this. WWE programming should be interesting tonight and Friday. I'm really interested to hear how the live crowd is going to react now. |
I'm reposting this because it was at the end of the last page and people will likely miss it. From WWE.com.
STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel. However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide: 1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions. 2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so. 3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative. 4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage. 5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts. WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities. |
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That he and his family was being held hostage by a super stealth group of Ninjas that gave Benoit a choice of killing his own family or being brutally killed via the Ninja's stars? So in a moment of panic, he killed his wife and son so the Ninja's left peacefully. Benoit seeing what he did, killed himself because the pain was unbareable. Would that be a good reason? |
I don't believe there is a good reason for why all of this happened. I just think that something happened to him, and he is not this monster that many have painted him out to be. Even most tv reports are saying that he regretted what happened and took his own life.
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Maybe he was a selfish bastard who didnt wanna live anymore, and felt that his wife and kid shouldnt either.
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Wow
I'm pretty certain that this is a first. On Sky Sports News, they actually have a heading saying: 'Wrestling Headlines' coming up across the screen. Surreal. |
You just have to wonder at what level of mentality the guy was at to kill his own son.
What gets me is that Nancy apparently filed for divorce in 2003, but it was 'thrown out' by a judge. Not being from US waters, what the hell justification is there over there to refuse a divorce? In this day and age? Also, the past-tense/present-tense line has been hugely smudged by these events. |
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Just goes to show that having it all - the big house, the money, the adulation of peers and fans, the respect of pretty much everyone in the history of the business and an apparently secure future means shit. |
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Is possible that nancy was bound by the hand and feet and her and Chris where having really rough sex where he'd like put a bag over her head or just plain choke and he accidently took it to far and then went to his sons room and cried and accidently put a pillow on his face and fell asleep?
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Man this is rough,
I'm really conflicted about this. Just trying to think how I would react if this were a family member who had done this, I just can't get my head around it all. Benoit will always be known as one hell of a wrestler, but a shit bag of a human being, it's such a shame. Such a dam shame |
I have come to this conclusion long ago:
I respected Benoit the wrestler, and I still do. I disliked Benoit the human being. I am torn between what the fuck and how? What happened was fucked up. I'll leave it at that for now. |
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I know ECW stars are encouraged to take things to the extreme, but Benoit went a little overboard here.
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So I decided to watch Raw from last night. Got through the JBL/Cole thing...chilling how the talk about Benoit being a family man that was all about his kids.
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I found these on 1wrestling.com, not seen these posted yet:
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Premeditated or not, the guy was sick. Wonder if anyone noticed. I mean, for all the people who will talk about how great he was, did any of them know him enough to know something was wrong? This didn't happen overnight. You don't just become a methodical, coldhearted bastard in a weekend.
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Shit. I was typing before that was posted. Looks like people DID know something was wrong. So why did it wait a year, until he KILLED HIS FAMILY AND HIMSELF?
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These are obviously actions of a man not his right mind.
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But isn't this always the case with wrestling tragedies? They could have obviously been prevented, but never are.
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Because they needed somebody to carry ECW, duh.
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So there were obvious signs of mental health issues, the fact that he is a private person and some what anti-social would also help hide them.
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Any tragedy could have been prevented in hindsight. I don't think anybody was expecting this to happen.
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I was going to stay away from this thread, but felt the need to post one last thing.
For a long time today, I've been waiting for news that just hasn't come, saying that there was foul play outside the home involved, or that somehow Benoit had not murdered the both of them, or anything. ANYTHING that would take the blame off of him. The sad fact is, it hasn't come. There was no outside influence. No tire tracks. No signs of forced entry. His german shepherds were outside, fenced in the yard. 'No one' got in, or came out. Chris Benoit has done this, and yes, you cannot be sure until all the evidence is finalized, but admittedly, it does not look good, for anyone still clinging to any wish that they want to find some 'out.' I've been thinking about this alot for the last day, and only in the last couple of hours has it really sunk in. I'm washing my hands of it. No matter what happens, God have mercy on all of them, and frankly, I still can't wrap my mind around this. This is a tragedy for all the families involved, friends, and the WWE. Who knows what the fallout will be, but the WWE has handled this situation flawlessly and with class, as far as I'm concerned. I wish it could have happened some other way. |
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Well of course, but obviously the WWE wasn't seeing it that way.
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I'm probably just in denial, but I can't bring myself to lose respect for Benoit right now.
I firmly believe that something took control of him, be it mental disease or anything else, and made him do it. Sounds like I'm looking for excuses, and I probably am. I refuse to condemn the man, when I don't believe he was of sound mind. |
After seeing that Text Message this is what I would like to believe....
Benoit hired someone to kill his wife....things got out of hand and the guy had to kill his child...Beniot comes home and discovers what happened...cant live with it....Kills himself... Sadly I doubt that any of that works with what happened and I really havnt accepted the other scenario yet....im afraid to accept it |
Just found this....
--------------------------------- In an interview with ESPN.com on Tuesday, Ballard indicated that the boy had needle marks in his arms. The district attorney said he believed that the boy had been given growth hormones for some time because the family considered him undersized. That was only one of the strange facts that Ballard revealed. He said that two text messages of note caused authorities to investigate the house. In one, Benoit told somebody he knew that his wife and son were sick. |
District Attorney Scott Ballard was interview on CNN Headline news by Erica Hill. Here are the highlights:
- Once again, Ballard said Nancy Benoit was killed sometime on Friday, Daniel on Saturday morning, and Benoit killed himself Saturday night. - According to the medical examiner, Nancy was found with bruise marks on her back which is consistent with a knee being placed on her back, bruising on the front of her body suggesting she had been pressed against the floor, and her neck indicated she had been strangled. - There is no indication Daniel tried to make contact with anyone after his mother had been killed. - There were needle marks in Daniel’s arm, suggesting he was taking growth hormones for quite sometime. - Ballard suggested that Benoit may have killed his son with a chokehold. - Text messages from Benoit indicated that Nancy and Daniel were sick (probably sent when Nancy and Daniel had already been killed), and one messaged indicated that the pets needed to be let out. - Dr. Alan Lipman, also interviewed by CNN, suggested that in the past, Benoit was breaking up the furniture in the home and threatening Nancy. |
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Maybe its just me not wanting to accept the inevitable.... |
Benoit was giving his 7 year old kid growth hormones. wtf.
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That's not TERRIBLY uncommon, Sammy. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but it's not exactly ridiculous.
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I know i seem to be fixating on this point but seriously does it not appear to be very strange |
Im willing to bet that ECW tonight gets the highest ratings its ever had....and that they mention Nancy and Daniel....but not Chris
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I really wish this weren't happening.
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What the Hell went on in the Benoit household?!?
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Someone turn on the damn Bat-Signal.
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... Fuck just fuck but atleast we can all say they have impacted our lives (good or bad) in one way or another, i mean whenever i hear someone say "lie, cheat & steal" it makes me smile. i'm going to miss both of them, but i'm glad to say when i was young i got to see both wrestle.
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Maybe he was just letting them know he fed the dogs already, so they when they came to find the bodies they wouldn't have to worry about taking care of the dogs immediately.
But seriously, I wish we could get some sort of reasoning and information as to why this happened and what exactly happened. |
I still can't believe this.
My mind won't let me accept Benoit has done this, I can't lose respect for him, I really don't know why. People are saying to me 'Benoit is an asshole, a scumbag' etc and for some reason it's annoying me and I find myself defending him, saying 'If he has killed them it was because he'd snapped or something, there's an explanation' :S. But the truth is if it wasn't a wrestler, and was just say some random actor in the same scenario, no way would I defend the actor. Please let there be another explanation, I don't want to have to accept this. |
I no longer wanna know "what exactly happened". This story went from tragedy to TV-Movie in 24 hours.
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I am still unbelievably disgusted by Benoit's actions, and I hope they don't pay tribute to that piece of shit anymore. I love the approach that WWE is taking with him right now. I woulda been really sad if he had just killed himself because of all the problems or stress he was facing, but to take his family with him is another thing. Rot in hell Benoit.
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I just read that McMahon will be on ECW tonight to personally apologize for the 3 hour tribute show to Benoit....apparently many people have complained that last nights show was to glorify a killer
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It just doesn't make sense.
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Just turned out that what the outlets thought happened ended up being true. Some fans now believe that Vince was trying to glorify a killer while other people now that he was unaware at the time and was just trying to pay respect to a man who was one of his top athletes |
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What that they failed their friend by not looking close enough at him becoming more withdrawn but putting it down to him being a quiet guy. To the fact that some last night served up empty platitudes to appease their own guilt. After all is said and done the wwe has to shoulder some of the responsibility regarding this tragedy. |
I just found out. Wow. I haven't watched wrestling for years, but...wow. I don't know what to think.
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" many people have complained that last nights show was to glorify a killer"
Anyone that said that is a fucking retard and I hope they die. Vince did the right thing at the time. |
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I agree with ya... There is no way that they knew at the time the show started that Benoit could of possibly done such a thing. I guess fans might be pissed that they didnt stop the show when it was revealed....but then again I think fans deserved the show. I know I was crying my eyes out the whole time. |
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his actions are kind of in keeping with a paranoid schizophrenic, and if he'd been demonstrating paranoia a year ago, it could have been developing over a period of time. And it's not something anyone can see in themselves. The world goes crazy, not you. Whether you completely detatch or not, it makes sense to you. You kind of NEED someone to step in. Which will never happen in wrestling. "You're like a brother to me, Chris, but I'd rather see you die than get you help." |
This is pretty damn terrible. Benoit the person is, apparently, a monster. What he did is insane and horrifying, and I don't blame anybody here that never wants to see another one of his matches.
Nevertheless, he has always been one of my favorite in-ring talents, and I will always enjoy his matches. |
Mcmahon should clarify that they had no knowledge of what had happenned before Raw, I wouldn't apologize for the tribute show, they didn't know what had happenned exactly. But I'd show a little banner saying in memory of the Benoit family once on ECW, once on Smackdown, and then you move on. Rebuild everything. Start from scratch.
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But now I sadly dont think I could ever watch another thing with Benoit in it....with out thinking about what happened.. The worst part of it for me is that people tend to look at wrestling ppvs and think of them as "I was there" moments....like...I was there when Benoit finally won the belt and was with Eddie in the ring....I was there when Flair won the Royal Rumble.....but for me its....I was there the night Benoit no showed Vengeance.... This has turned into what was a great ppv experience for me and has completely turned it the other way... |
Like other's I haven't really been able to collect my thoughts on all this stuff, it's just too fucking much. I mean, it's so weird that I'm actually hoping Chris had a mental illness so it doesn't seem/feel as bad. What do you do when you (want to) start pitying someone you looked up to?
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And another thing that they failed to explain properly,was his wife bound before or after she died,because either way thats a strange one,because if it was when she was alive why flip her on her stomach to choke her,or if it was when she was dead why bind her hands and feet and wrap her in a towel. Im not try to imply that he didnt do it but reading more press from the me and the da,more and more things dont add up,maybe its because they are only releasing certain information just now,but taking it as a whole it just doesnt make sense to the rational mind,maybe thats the problem. |
Everyone's thinkin it I'm just saying it:
The marks on his wife are marks a soft body sustains when put into a lethal variation of the Crippler Crossface. |
^ Wouldn't surprise me at all. It's already pretty obvious that the guy was a looney.
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As a guy with a girlfriend and a kid, this shocks me truly.
When XL first told me this morning i wasn't sure what to believe until i read it on british teletext. He must have been in a messed up place to do this, to kill your own flesh and blood. Just in shock |
I've been hearing numerous reports on and off today. Can anyone summerize and new news that has popped up? I know autopsies have are being conducted today. And I heard from work pretty much the same scenario from TV today.
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lol Miz. Also lol @ the idea of Benoit using the Crossface to murder his family. Think he was playing his theme song in the background?
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Damn, they even interviewed Bret Hart on MSNBC, and he was one of the others that said they had no idea Benoit would do something like this. Yet, the host of the show was just ripping WWE, even talking about them airing a tribute show last night.
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This is so massively fucked up. I can't believe it.
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Seriously fucked up.
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Okay so I was watching Court TV and how ironic is it that they were showing a case where this man suffocated his wife and young son to death.
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I just love the way everyone is now distancing themselves from the tragedy,the fault does not lie with just one man no matter how hard they try to make themselves believe it.
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Damn..WWE did the right thing though. But damn..Benoit went nuts..wonder why??
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I wonder how much of an effect on the locker room this is going to have.
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