No such thing

It's okay, I speak Gertner: who cares? she's hotttttttttttttt

Does exist. Same level of Baron Corbin heat. Just go away.

Srsly though, there's things like this that make me believe they are going to go more soap-opera, less wrestling.

It's weird that the fans say Baron has go away heat when actual wrestlers like Edge say otherwise.

I speak only for myself, and I only watch PPV's. Edge can also go away..... o wait.




He has?

Yeah, he loves him some Baron Corbin

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbo...-baron-corbin/

Eva Marie :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

You could tie a Barbie Doll to a bungee cord, attach it to the ring ropes and it would be better in the ring than her. Alternatively just tie her to the bungee cord, about the same amount of plastic in both.

Wwe describes her return as "Highly Anticipated" on their youtube video, would take her to be doing a porn for it to get any amount of anticipation.

USA Network: “Fuck the general public! What do actual wrestlers like Edge say!?!”

According to recent online speculation, this Bliss creepy doll storyline is sort of meant to explain some of RAW's weird direction in recent weeks.

Like Sonya Deville didn't actually become a heel authority figure but instead is only evil because she got suddenly possessed by Bliss' Lilly doll. Lilly made an apperance in the background during a segment Deville had backstage on Monday's show.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alexa Bliss said &quot;someone caught Lilly's eyes&quot; <a href="https://t.co/teUzRJeDcQ">pic.twitter.com/teUzRJeDcQ</a></p>&mdash; Lasik'd, Fully Vaccinated PS5 Haver Sean Ross Sapp (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1389407926276788226?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Same for Angel Garza deciding to actually shove a rose up Drew Gulak's butt was only due to him being consumed by Lilly's evil presence since the doll was also in the background during his backstage segment with Gulak.

I wouldn't consider neckbeard internet goobers the general public. Like those dweebs are gonna turn the T.V off when she's on. She'll probably have the highest rated segment of the show.

Pretty sure the general public that was interested in wrestling turned off the TV a long time ago and I can’t imagine Baron Corbin brought any of them back. Not even with Edge’s coaxing.

And the neckbeards are becoming the majority. They stop caring about wrestling as it turns to shit at a much smaller rate than everyone else.

When I picture someone who sits and spends their Monday night watching WWE Raw, unable to turn the channel because Baron Corbin is on the screen, I don’t exactly picture some middle class average joe who has his shit together.

I don’t picture a neckbeard either.

I picture a delusional wrestler with Vince-goggles on and a stake in the business trying to convince himself that one of his wrestling friends is a star.

That is probably the biggest problem with wrestling today. The companies know they have that base audience, and that base audience is enough to keep them on TV, so the companies do just enough to keep the minimum amount of fans needed to keep cashing TV checks.

There is zero sense of urgency or taking risks because there is no reason to.

They could take a bunch of risks and work 3 times harder, and maybe they can grow the audience by 10% and get a few more Million$, or they can coast and do just enough. It's why WWE bailed on Heyman about halfway through his plan to create new attractions And grow the audience.

I go back to somebody like Strowman. I know he is debated here, but the dude was poised to be red hot for a while. Instead of letting that happen, they decided he needed to be buried because he showed up 4 hours before Showtime instead of 7 hours beforw, so he needed to be taught a lesson. They buried a guy who could have made them so much money, for being less early than they preferred. But that is the point, they are making enough money that they would rather their product be less good but have complete control.

And that is AEW too. All the talk about them pushing to change the business, but they haven't created any new stars. I am not talking about guys who were unknown 2 years ago, I mean that it's all the guys they told us were going to be something at the beginning of AEW. Darby and MJF and OC and Jungle Boy. They haven't opened up anything, it's The Elite and the few former Indy Guys they hyped at the start, mixed in with former WWE and Impact wrestlers.

They have their built in audience, and they haven't really done much of anything different to try and grow it or let anybody unplanned take over. If you love The Elite, then you are hyped they have been the focus for over 2 years. Why change that up when the core fan base is content with that.

The closest thing I can think of is John Silver, who got some real steam by accident, but all it has done is give him maybe 10% more TV time. He certainly isn't leapfrogging the Young Bucks on the card no matter how over he gets. There is no reason to take that chance and go outside the original plan when there is no real pressure to do better.

Raw is for nobody. We can all agree on this.

Their base audience are a bunch of old people. Not young dweebs as per "muh demos"

Eva Marie is a modern day Roddy Piper

This is a good point in the Eva Marie debate.

Does a hot chick draw if your audience is too old to get a boner?

that's what blue pills are for. that's why all the wrestling podcasts sell blue chew

Haha well Sugardaddies are a thing

This seems like an incredible non sequitur.

Preview for tonight's show:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WrestleManiaBacklash?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WrestleManiaBacklash</a> is what happens to <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> stock come May<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAWTonight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/1391751444223647746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:eek: at RAW starting off with a match and not some long talkie segment.

Although also one of those Money Paw type situations since its kicking off with a women's tag match featuring some of the least entertaining women on RAW's roster.

ahhh the nia beast what did flair do wrong to get this

more crap to the fire

:| at Bliss randomly interrupting the tag match just to say her and Lilly just wanted to stop by and watch the rest of the match.

Not even 10 minutes into the show and its already gone downhill.

atleast randy is still good

If Alexa Bliss can lead to no more Charlotte for good, all the Fiend/Randy/Alexa stuff will have been worth it.

When Miz teased a potential breakup with Morrison several weeks ago, thought Morrison was going to get demoted back to NXT to be with his wife. Instead that potential storyline barely lasted a week and Miz went right back to acting as if he was never mean to Morrison to begin with.

Poor juicy giant tomato. Got viciously squished by Omos.

45 minutes done and RAW's been meh. The 8-man tag match up next should be good though although don't have any high hopes of WWE not screwing it up.

RKBro & New Day vs. Elias, Ryker, Styles, & Omos was pretty good overall.

Guess Orton's not a fan of New Day after those post-match RKOs.

randy may be the best part of raw

Still can't believe WWE threw away a 2-year win streak for Mansoor on his debut on RAW as if it was nothing just to continue this Carrillo vs. Sheamus feud that's been almost all one sided soo far.

Yikes at the botched landing from Carrillo's sunset flip powerbomb to the outside. Sheamus came crashing down hard on Carrillo's legs.

Sheamus US title run has been cursed soo far in terms of matches.

2 non-matches, another match that ended via a DQ, and now a no contest due to both Carrillo and Sheamus getting hurt.

Smeat, are you telling me that Alexa Bliss is walking around with a possessed doll? Jesus Christ. Of all the Lucha Underground storylines to steal...

Whelp there goes whatever potential Cedric Alexander's heel turn might have had after last week.

RAW must have a serious phobia when it comes to having interesting new things last beyond a week or so since the wankers running creative there keep doing a great job of killing whatever interesting stuff RAW could have on a consistent basis.

Yes and its been even lamer than you could imagine.

Not sure if Rhea just doesn't mesh that well with Asuka outside of their Mania match or whoever has been putting together their singles matches since Mania has been doing a really bad job. Back-to-back matches they've had that ended up being duller than it should have been.

Doesn't help tonight's match also has to deal with Charlotte's shenanigans dragging it down.

It doesn't help things that they have zero direction with her booking. I'm still not sure if she is a face or heel. Very few have the skill to be a tweener, and Rhea certainly isn't one of them.

Change of topic, Damien Priest still has the coolest entrance music!

Yeah, the only people who have any sort of direction on RAW's Women's division are Charlotte and Alexa Bliss. Everyone else is either just a bit player or an afterthought.

Even though WWE did a terrible job with her Mania build, Bianca has felt like a much bigger star and future top star of WWE's women's division than Ripley despite Ripley being the one who was getting all the high praise and as a "can't miss" top star of the future that not even WWE could manage to screw up.

I walked by my roomate watching RAW and saw everyone scared of a doll....A DOLL IS NOW THE MOST OVER FEMALE!!

The main event was fun. Braun destroying people is always entertaining.

Drew vs. Lashley was very good until Braun crashed the party and the whole thing ended via DQ.

Outside of Drew vs. Lashley and the 8-Man tag matches, RAW was really boring and dull overall this week.

RAW has felt mostly lifeless compared to SmackDown and NXT and even other wrestling shows. Like SD has been just a one storyline driven show in recent months but that one storyline with Reigns has been way better than all of RAW's stuff combined. Even something like NPJW Strong that barely has any storyline stuff and has suffered a lot from the empty arena setting still feels more lively than RAW these days.

Smeat doing God's work. Or maybe Satan's. Cannot imagine sitting through Raw every week.

How many times did you see Hulk vs Macho or Hulk vs Warrior on Raw ending clean? What about Rock and Austin? Of course they are not going to give you this match clean on Raw.

My main issue is WWE does that style of finish way too often these days and feels like its gotten way worse over the past year or so. Even the amount of no contest finishes feel like its gone up in usage in recent times.

Plus was feeling very bored of the show until that match happened and to get that buzz kill of an ending left a very sour taste in my mouth.

Also majority of the time, it comes across as WWE doing it just for the sake of it because they constantly back themselves into a corner booking-wise instead of being an actual important or integral part of an on-going storyline.

Hulk v Macho never happened on Raw. Nor did Hulk v Warrior. Rock v Austin happened 4 times with 3 non-finishes.

I think the wider issue is that Braun/Drew/Lashley have been involved in DQ and distraction finishes for most of the last few weeks. You want to keep guys strong but there are more interesting ways to do it.

Lance Storm had mentioned that for him it’s nigh-on impossible to get invested in any Raw match, especially the main events, because he’s been conditioned to assume there won’t be a finish in the first place.

Preview for tonight's show:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We had the craziest dream last night involving zombies.<br>That'll teach us to smoke something <a href="https://twitter.com/SuperKingofBros?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SuperKingofBros</a> gives us.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAWTonight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/1394317527648509956?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lashley now just banging a bunch of chicks, now that's a gimmick!

Lashley channeling his inner Ric Flair tonight.

Got the stylin and profilin part down. The Space Mountain ticket likely already booked. All that's missing is a random "wooo" or him doing a random elbow drop to his clothes for this opening segment.

guess his wife did not sign a contract

Styles vs. Elias happening now is a bit weird since WWE doesn't really like to do heel vs. heel matches.

yeah who will come out the face teem.

Probably Styles & Omos since Styles has been doing the "face in peril" stuff a lot recently in matches despite him being a heel.

Then again, wouldn't really matter who turns face since RAW's tag division has been a mess for a long while.

:| at the lame DQ finish for Styles vs. Elias

Minus that ending, that might have been Elias' best singles match on the main roster in a long while.

well aj can get a good match out of a mop

WWE airing a match hype vignette for tomorrow's North American title cage match and not just some generic style commercial NXT is interesting.

They didn't really bother putting that type of effort during the Wed. Night Wars when that would have been way more effective and meaningful for the brand.

randy the best part of raw

:lol: at Tamina's reaction to being on Alexa's Playground.

That was the best part of a bleh segment.

On one hand, its nice that Drew Gulak is finally getting some quality screen time and an actual feud on RAW.

On the other hand, his feud with Angel Garza revolving around a rose getting stuck up his ass is soo stupid and probably would have been better off just chilling in catering.

:lol: R-Truth

Wonder what it is about today's era of wrestling that wrestlers seem to get busted way more often in the mouth than in the past.

Like the Attitude Era was way more violent and bloody in terms of shots to the head and face but feels like bloody mouths have been way more common during the last 5-10 years in wrestling.


Also so far tonight's matches have either ended via shenanigans or was a squash. Orton vs. Kofi was no different.

Poor Shanya Baszler, doesn't deserved this BS booking on RAW nor being the sacrificial lamb for this shitty Alexa Bliss spooky stuff.

Also make that 4 for 4 on tonight's matches ending via some lame shenanigans or was a squash.

Worst part is the Women's Tag title match was actually looking to be a potentially good match before the Bliss stuff happened.

I remember Ken Shamrock bleeding from the mouth in like every single match and Jim Ross always yelling "HE'S BLEEDING INTERNALLY!!"

:lol: at Ricochet boinking Sheamus on the head with that splash to the outside. Either he misjudged the jump or Sheamus was a bit too close for the dive.

:lol: at the ref botching the pin count.

Sheamus vs. Ricochet was pretty good and also managed to break tonight's streak of matches not having a satisfying or clean ending. Easily the best thing on tonight's show so far.

Oh god the zombies might be returning tonight since Damian Priest vs. John Morrison just got revealed for later tonight and as a Lumberjack match.

Only saving grace is if Miz & Morrison are now zombies after what went down last night. If not, why even bother bringing back what was arguably the worst part about last night's Mania Backlash show.

Either Asuka or Charlotte had an accidental boob slip or someone in production accidentally pressed the wrong button and cut the video feed for a bit.

:eek: at Asuka beating Charlotte. Sure it was via shenanigans but a win is a win.

Asuka vs. Charlotte was very good and Charlotte's best singles match since her return last year.

Yeup, the zombies stuff from last night was extra stupid since Morrison isn't a zombie after all.

:eek: at a rare Nikki Cross sighting on RAW.

Must be a bit short-handed for people backstage if they needed her to be one of the lumberjacks.

Ouch at Morrison landing hard on his tailbone to the suplex to the outside since the Lumberjacks were way too close to catch him properly.

Lumberjack match ended up being pretty good.

yep time to move on

Probably won't happen but this Open Challenge match for Bobby Lashley would be a great way to debut someone new for the RAW brand.

Too bad it won't because of Triple H becoming very stubborn with call-ups in recent years and he would rather just hoard as much talent as possible for his NXT brand instead.

Kofi being the big mystery challenger is a bit of a buzz kill.

Why did WWE bother recapping what MVP said earlier unless they are having a laugh at fooling fans into thinking tonight's big hyped up Open Challenge match was for the WWE title.

:lol: at Kingston beating Lashley via shenanigans.

Match itself was nothing special after all that hype done for tonight's show.

Tonight's show was average at best overall. First half was mostly meh while the second half was mostly good. Only stuff I'd recommend is the Sheamus vs. Ricochet and Asuka vs. Charlotte matches. Everything else ranged from good to really bad.

Preview for tonight's show:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most of our morning has been spent trying to figure out where <a href="https://twitter.com/AngelGarzaWwe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AngelGarzaWwe</a> should stick his rose on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERAW</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAWTonight?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAWTonight</a></p>&mdash; WWE Creative Humor (@WWECreative_ish) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECreative_ish/status/1396901869126144004?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Guess Lashley decided to channel his inner Ric Flair again this week since he brought out more women to hang around him.

Lashley's Ladies have gone downhill from last week

damn those women are ugly enough to work at swingers place

Did he ever get officially divorced from his wife Lana?!?!

That opening segment with Lashley, MVP, Kofi, and Drew was somewhat boring.

Was thinking the same thing when he brought out the women again.

Outside of one of them saying they wanted a divorce, don't remember WWE ever actually following up on it on RAW.

Drew almost spiked Kofi's head with that Michinoku Driver he busted out.

Kofi almost whiffed on that backwards dive he likes to do from the top rope. Barely managed to land on Drew to cause the domino effect to Lashley.

:| A very good and entertaining match between Kofi and Drew ended via a DQ because WWE doesn't like to give satisfying payoffs to matches on tv.

is nicki cross getting her match before they fire her

:lol: at Rhea Ripley vs. Nikki Cross ending in a draw because Ripley's a dumbass when it comes to a Beat The Clock Challenge stip.

So Drew vs. Kofi going 30+ minutes tonight ended up being completely meaningless since instead of just making it a triple threat at Hell in a Cell for the WWE title, they are just going to redo Drew vs. Kofi next week.

yeah what was that about make there champ look dumb.

an it was not a draw since rhea could not beat nicki in 2 mins nicki won.

Charlotte somehow managed to botch getting tossed out of the ring. Like instead of going straight through the ropes, she decided to do a mini-flip and bounced right off of it.

Yeah Ripley's booking since she won the belt has been mostly bad.

Didn't help that she also felt like a big afterthought to Charlotte tonight since not only was the match a dud, they quickly played Charlotte's music for her match right after it ended.

That was one goofy looking Judas Effect/spinning elbow strike by Charlotte.

:lol: the ref botched the pin count win for Charlotte since Asuka's left shoulder kept coming up and he didn't stop.

Match itself was pretty good but came to the realization during it that I don't really care about Charlotte and her booking and matches anymore on RAW. Even her win felt anti-climatic since there was no way Asuka was getting the upper hand over her 2 weeks in a row and WWE's rock solid fascination with 50-50 booking.

WWE is going to drive their return of fans to shows announcement hard into the ground if all these promos on RAW is any indication.

I give it until around the 2nd show before fans go back to booing WWE's booking of things and only because RAW won't be their first tv show back with fans.

well that was a waste of a segment must be killing time.

Alexander's voice cracking during his pre-match promo sounded like he had just hit puberty.

Between the multiple long matches and people showing up in multiple segments, WWE barely put any effort in the writing for the 1st 2 hours of tonight's show.

Also that makes it 3 out of 4 matches soo far that either didn't end clean or was a quick nothing match.

oh hell no orton he has been the best part of raw the last few weeks.