I'd rather watch CM Phil over almost anybody in AEW. Definitely not in a shoot fight, though.

What I would book for an AEW vs NJPW card

IWGP title
Okada vs Danielson

AEW Interim title
Moxley vs Goto
(I think Goto's hard hitting style would mesh better with moxley than Tanahashi)

Bullet Club (KENTA, Jay White, Juice, Ishimori, ELP)
vs
Undisputed Elite (Young bucks, Cole, Fish, O'Reilly)

Mid Atlantic title
Miro vs Ishii

AEW Tag titles
Jurassic Express vs Taichi and Zack Sabre Jr.

House of Black vs House of Torture (Evil, SHO, Yujiro)

Never Openweight title
Hangman Page vs Tama Tonga

LIJ (Naito, Shingo, Hiromu) vs Death Triangle

United Empire (Ospreay, Aussie open, Cobb, O'Khan)
vs
FTR, Finlay, Tanahashi, Trent

New Japan Rumble- Winner gets shot at TNT title
Wardlow wins

Buy in
Hook and Danhausen vs Yano and Taguchi

Very good card with what they’re going for. I would like to see them get out of other things they’ve already committed to, but I like what you’ve done here.

Danielson challenging Okada was a no-brainer. It was the match everyone wanted to see. It should have closed the show and it could have drawn real emotion out of people, because they are that good.

I’d prefer Mox vs. Goto to Mox vs. Tanahashi too. Tough chance we’re getting it though. But I think that would be a pretty cool spotlight to put on Goto, who seems to be missing those moments in New Japan. I wouldn’t object to Goto winning the thing.

I guess the Undisputed Elite guys have to make the card, right? I had Adam Cole going against Kota Ibushi and it leading to an Omega return. But that’s not happening, lol. I guess this contains the crap. Just please put the Bullet Club over. Jay White and Juice Robinson are actually good.

I guess you’re stuck doing this All-Atlantic title thing, so I guess you’ve got to do it. I see the finals as Miro vs. Malakai Black, but I guess if you’re finishing at Forbidden Door it makes sense to have a New Japan guy in there.

I guess having the AEW Tag Titles defended works. Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus don’t seem to really fit the New Japan side of things, but I guess they’re a “thing” in AEW? If you can call them that. ZSJ putting Jungle Boy in submissions could be fun.

I get what you’re going with in the House vs. House match. I’m just not a fan of either side. Makes sense though.

Page and Tonga…it seems right for Page, but not what they’d like for him. I’d have the guy sitting out and being out of mind for a while, but we know they’re going to jam him down our throats. This would have been a nice offering to New Japan though. You can have our former World Champion and put a mid-card belt of yours on him.

LIJ vs. Death Triangle makes sense.

I think the 10-man tag is inspired. I like the face side of things there.

Overall, I think you’ve meshed the two “universes” well and have got everyone “important” on the card.

I'm just happy you've finally come around on Juice Robinson.

Hmm? I don’t think I’ve ever been too down on Juice Robinson. I thought he had something even back in NXT. I wasn’t feeling the heel turn. But hey, if it’s going to be good for him, go for it. Done now anyway, lol.

Oh, the only notable omission I really see is Jericho. Maybe acts like Sammy Guevara too, to get some women on the show, even if it isn’t a wrestling role. I guess Jericho’s entertainer act doesn’t really suit New Japan, but you know he’s going to want to glom on. I think New Japan would really like Hager, and they use Garcia for Strong. Maybe another 10-man tag featuring some of the Strong guys? Fred Rosser, Fred Yehi, Clark Connors, Karl Fredericks and maybe someone like Satoshi Kojima? Just throwing some names out. I don’t know everyone in Strong’s current face/heel alignments.

CJ Parker, good times.

WHAT

You literally wouldnt stop calling him CJ Parker while talking shit about him

LOL, kind of like how I just called him CJ Parker :rofl:

Also, Soloman Crowe 4 life!

CJ Parker is Pamela Anderson’s character on Baywatch. Has that been discussed before?

tell me more about this CJ Parker. use pictures if possible

Get a marriage sack

Was hoping for someone cool from AEW to be announced for the G-1, but its just Lance Archer.

I like Archer but we've seen him there already.

I’ve done a shallow dive into this and can confirm that the most common phase Noid used in regard to Parker was “I don’t hate him” which is high praise indeed.

wish they used karl frederickson from the la dojo

seems in-ring ready for a big push at any moment but njpw seems uninterested

AEW seems a bit like the wheels on the bus are a tad wobbly
WWE seems mostly 'just there'
NJPW seems in a weird funk
Impact is Impact

Not the most exciting of times in wrestling

Dude! WWE are giving you a <s>Undisputed WWE Universal Championship</s> <s>WWE Undisputed Universal Championship</s> WWE Universal Undisputed Championship match on free TV!!

WWE being "just there" is a huge compliment. Mission accomplished.

AEW is like a bus with wobbly wheels being driven by a socially awkward cokehead with a rich daddy and a bunch of people getting paid to be his friend and tell him he is cool.

Yeah it's tough to stay interested

There are gifts that pro wrestling has given us to be entertained by even as it dies a slow death. You just gotta know where to look. #Blessed

Yeah, I really don’t remember saying anything too negative about him. I was expecting some ass-stain like #fan to go back and try to dig up one time I said “Eh, the guy’s not that good” and try to use it as some major GOTCHA. I’m not the dude’s biggest fan or anything. But I’ve never thought he’s a blight on New Japan or they shouldn’t use him or anything. I just wasn’t a big fan of the concept of turning him heel when they did. Meh.

There appears to be fallout from the Thunder Rosa/Marina Shafir match from Dynamite:

A fan accused Rosa of sandbagging Shafir. It’s gained a bit of traction from fans and was liked by Britt Baker and Shafir herself. Some people pointed out Ivelisse said the same thing about Rosa, and Ivelisse has commented that the “Ivelisse was right” sentiments warm her soul. Other fans are lashing out at Shafir for saying she was obviously completely lost and she should be mad at Tony Khan for putting her in that position.

Just another straw closer to Tony Khan’s inevitable mental breakdown.

Are you cheering someone's mental health decline?




For shame.

Must…project…to defend…company mess!

I'm a Rosa fan, but I saw the suplex. I mean, Shafir is bad. Just awful. But her husband is Roderick Strong, and the person who started this shit show was trained by... Roderick Strong. And AEW really wants to hire... Roderick Strong. And Britt Baker doesn't like people who are legit over on their own. And her boyfriend is best friends with... Roderick Strong.

Marina Shafir might not be the most polished, but any of the Cultist sticking up for Rosa by saying Shafir was lost is dumb.

Also Marina Shafir is yet another pro wrestler with a professional MMA Victory, something Fan's Hero CM Phillip never accomplished :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Hey Fanhttps://i.imgflip.com/6jfj95.jpg

Oh, he’s doing that thing where he embarrasses himself in one thread and then randomly jumps to another thread out of nowhere with a nonsensical “gotcha!” to try to get that W he’s so desperate for. Who could’ve seen this coming?

You’re falling deeper into those keyboard warrior pussy stereotypes. But there’s still hope. Wanna talk about it?

For someone always talking about "trying to get W's", it is comical your Hero Phillip could never get one :rofl:

How would that even be projecting? Lol

Unless that last post wasn’t a sarcastic comment toward drave’s response and you were instead actually making the statement that you’re projecting your own mental decline onto Tony Khan? In which case, fair enough.

I’m honestly pretty sure that at some point in the last year you read an “Internet Arguing for Dummies”, found some words you like and now just use them as if the definition doesn’t matter.

Lolwut?


Sorry, I am not an "AEW cultist", nor a "FEDBAD cultist" or whatever drivel comes outta circlejerk/wrestling armchair booker fantasies.



I enjoy some things from both companies, but not all, not even close.





Regardless of all that, cheering on someone's mental decline, regardless of your opinions on their promotion, is gross.

Come on, guys. Just ignore the retards. It’s really that simple.

You’re projecting that I’m cheering on anyone’s mental decline. You’re lying. Stop lying and I won’t confuse you for a liar. :y:

It’s got its own thread, but Jeff Hardy has predictably gone and got himself a DUI under AEW auspices. Remember when Dave was half-way gloating about how Jeff was sober when WWE released him? Yeah, he went to AEW to get loaded.

Jeff needs fucking help. And no, drave — I’m not “cheering” it.

Pushing Kyle O’Reilly is a huge head scratcher. Fine tag wrestler and undercard guy but he shouldn’t be getting main event spots vying for a world title chance.

The battle royal also stunk. Very little star power and no stories told at all. If they want Wardlow to chase the TNT belt, have Paige and Sky eliminate him. Have them screw over Rusev so there’s some heat going into his match with Ethan Paige.

Jurassic Express should’ve been in there and had something with the Bucks and the Hardys to help get something going there before their ladder match.

Same goes for the Jericho feud with the BCC and Santana and Ortiz.

The beauty of a battle royal is you can advance stories and have guys lose the match without making them look bad. Tony missed the boat on that, in top of going with a completely wtf winner to wrestle against a guy who wasn’t top ranked to begin with.

I mentioned why I really liked Eddie as an interim champ. I also think Darby would’ve been perfect. For similar reasons as Eddie; super over, he’s perfect as interim champ since it won’t count but it gives him a rub, and though he’s not great on the live mic, his vignettes are usually pretty great and he’s just got a unique vibe to him.

There’s also a plethora of challengers for him and he’s the best underdog they have. He would’ve been perfect. Him beating Moxley in a roll up in the same way he beat Cody to win the TNT title is believable. Him going into All Out against Punk, presumably in Chicago, in a rematch from last year where, but now for the undisputed world title, is another great story. Plus we now it’s Moxley v Tana. They could’ve been a fun match with Darby.

Now we get what likely need a good but completely uninteresting match where Moxley , who’s better than being a placeholder champ, against Tana, who shouldn’t be AEW champ under any circumstances.

Huge missed opportunity and bumbling booking by Tony. Easily the least interested I’ve been in the company going into the ppv.

It is Dubbalos and Goofies FYI :cool:

Fightful now reporting All Out is going to stay in Chicago this year. God dammit. Punk v Darby II for the undisputed world title would’ve been a stellar main event.

No fun in that, Milfy.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RoadRager?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RoadRager</a> Live in St. Louis<a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> @ 8pm ET/7pm CT<br><br>After weeks of fighting between <a href="https://twitter.com/ringofhonor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ringofhonor</a> World Tag Team Champions <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FTR?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FTR</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/njpwglobal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@njpwglobal</a>’s United Empire, 2 of the world’s best go 1-on-1!<a href="https://twitter.com/DaxFTR?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DaxFTR</a> vs <a href="https://twitter.com/WillOspreay?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WillOspreay</a> <br>LIVE tomorrow night on TBS! <a href="https://t.co/JHz8VdNz5p">pic.twitter.com/JHz8VdNz5p</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1536812472333647872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not a huge Ospreay fan. But FTR has a track record of having REALLY good wrestling matches with flippy guys so it’ll be interesting to see if Dax can do it on his own.

Dax is one of the best in the world right now and Ospreay can bump and flip so it Will be Willy good.

Have full faith Dax will make it good

Seriously, get the AEW Tag Titles on FTR already. I guess the plan is to have them in ROH if that project ever gets off the ground but fuck that. They’re in AEW now. Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy are tag champs in division where FTR exists. Fix that.

Agreed. It’s an easy story too. FTR challenges, Christian turns on jungle boy mid match, FTR wins belts and Christian and Jungle Boy start their feud. Easy peasy.

This match is actually likely to be awesome and will shine a really good light on Ospreay.

People were calling him Will Ass Spray, and now I can't unhear it :rofl:

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LMAO oh MJF is a legend.

Willow Nightingale has good entrance music on Rampage

Leon Ruffin looked hilarious standing next to BEAR COUNTRY

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I didn't realize Forbidden Door was next weekend

Neither did AEW based on the card im seeing.

I’m sure the matches will deliver but this ppv looks like shit. It’ll prob be a flop which will either lead Tony to doing a better job on building it next year or dropping it all together.

Remember when Keith Lee was this "future star" after he threw that midget across the ring.

I remember being excited for him until they moved him into a make shift tag team

Def a downgrade from the Double or Nothing card

It’s almost like the guy sucked or something. You can say this about so many guys too. Didn’t Brian Cage headline one of their PPVs? Just a mess.

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If Johnny Gargano can’t turn around the ratings, I don’t know who can.

Danielson to appear on Dynamite to discuss his future at Forbidden Door and Blood 'n Guts. Doesn't sound good!

TK desperate for those ratings. It’s a shame he’s diminished Bryan.

Yeah the BCC has done no favors for Danielson.

He probably doesn’t want focus himself, but you’ve got to step in as booker then. A disappointing Bryan is more damaging than helpful. It’s been a great example of how AEW can take someone you care about and make them irrelevant really fast.

This is the card for Forbidden Door as of now.

• Interim AEW World Championship match: Jon Moxley vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi
• AEW Women's World Champion Thunder Rosa defends against Toni Storm
• IWGP United States Heavyweight Champion Will Ospreay defends against Orange Cassidy
• Four-way match to crown the inaugural AEW All-Atlantic Champion: Miro vs. PAC vs. Tomohiro Ishii vs. either Malakai Black or Penta Oscuro
• Winner-take-all match for the ROH Tag Team titles and IWGP Tag Team titles: FTR vs. The Great-O-Khan & Jeff Cobb vs. Roppongi Vice
• Chris Jericho, Minoru Suzuki & Sammy Guevara vs. Eddie Kingston, Wheeler Yuta & Shota Umino

Likely to add Jay White vs Hangman vs Cole in a three way or possibly Jay White vs Jonathan Gresham for the IWGP from what I've read.

With Danielson likely calling out, I am really at a loss for what could be added to this show of interest.

Lee Johnson also out with injury!

I would enjoy a rematch of CM Phil and Mickey Gall, for obvious reasons :rofl:

Not interested in Gresham on the on the ppv at all.

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I can't wait to see this match between Christian and (insert Jack's handle here).

At least (insert Jack's handle here) still has Luchasaurus in his corner.

Holy fuck that Forbidden Door card looks absolutely disgusting.

All Elite and no play makes (insert Jack’s handle here)

I’ll predict that Luchasaurus will likely turn too in a few weeks time or maybe at the next PPV and stick around as Christian’s muscle. Seems to be the natural progression of the story, but not necessarily a good outcome for Luchasaurus since I don’t know how much he offers when away from (insert Jack’s handle here). I really like him as the face who comes in on the hot tag to clean house. That’s a good spot for him, and he’s come on leaps and bounds since Lucha Underground.

I think he turns, loses the mask and gets a name change as Christian’s muscle. Adds an extra obstacle for Jungle Boy to overcome in the feud and helps extend it, then probably just ends up on Dark.

Yeah I could see him losing the mask.

Howabout…he ditches the mask becoming Judas Devlin again (which works well with stabbing (insert Jack’s handle here) in the back. He can wear leather and lots of chains. Eventually you have him sort of play up a split personality thing where you’re never sure if you’re going to get his “Judas” side or how Devlin/Devil side. This leads to a group forming with Christian at the helm, Judas as his large ally, then add a sort of gothy type female to the group, maybe Toni Storm or sign Paige. Name them “Payback” or “<s>WrestleMania</s> Backlash”. Then try to add “spooky bollocks” to the gimmick that Christian (rightly) isn’t down for and have disposed by a dude he pinned on PPV the night before.

Great use of multiple talents and better yet original.

Luchasaurus losing his man and gimmick seems like a death wish for him, tbh.

Luchasaurus doesn’t inspire me either way. He’s just not very good. Him being with Christian is going to drawn subconscious comparisons to Tomko, and I don’t think Luchasaurus can even live up to that.

Mask or not hes still sloppy as fuck. If he stopped trying to wrestle like a cruiserweight so much maybe he'd be better.

That could change my perception of him. But it’s be so jarring. They’ve kind of booked themselves into a corner with him. I think the best thing with him in AEW would be to stick him with a more experienced guy in a team to incubate him for a while. Christopher Daniels, Frankie Kazarian, that sort of thing.

ROH isn’t a thing, but you could send him there and hope for the best.

There’s a very low ceiling on the gimmick as is. AEW have got a million singles championships and I can’t imagine him carrying any of them.

That said, it’s not exactly holding him back from a main event run.

Being an updated Tomko is probably about right.

Unfortunately, I can. It’s not desirable, but I can see it.

The more I think about it, the more I can see them doing a completely new thing with him. A total repackaging that we are just supposed to “get.” Maybe leading The Butcher & The Blade or something like that? Dr. Lou Chasorous or something.

Maybe he'll give Christian a beat

No.

What's Luchadactyl doing in the IMPACT ZONE!?

I could see him having a throwaway transitional run with one of the secondary titles. But if they really wanna see how he does in singles at the higher end of a card I think they should toss him over to the ROH reboot and give him a makeover and a push there and see how it goes.

needs more uWu senpai!

undisputed WWE universal senpai

I wish Cena would do one of his "Doctor of Thuganomics" freestyles and incorporate the whole uWu thing, but he can't. But it'd be funny.

They’ve got a ton of guys they could move to ROH full time whenever they get that off the ground.

I still think they should use it as a minor league feeder for themselves.

Bobby Fish and Kyle O’ Reilly are both out with injuries. Fish’s is an ankle and he shouldn’t be out long. O’Reilly’s is said to be worse, but the degree to which is undetermined.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tomohiro Ishii was injured in his AEW <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllAtlantic?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllAtlantic</a> Title NJPW Eliminator Tournament match with <a href="https://twitter.com/ClarkConnors?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ClarkConnors</a>. With Ishii not medically cleared, he forfeits &amp; Connors will now go to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a> on Sunday to face <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Miro?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Miro</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAC</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/malakaiblxck?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@malakaiblxck</a> to crown the 1st All-Atlantic Champion <a href="https://t.co/IhI9inTnOv">pic.twitter.com/IhI9inTnOv</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1540107437411373061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Probably gonna be better now. Ishii has the mobility of a Hasbro WWF Action Figure.

PPV was missing a Clark Connors match.

Bros, he is so desperate he is thanking random fans individually...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you, that was super chill of you to do that, and I appreciate it very much.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a> <a href="https://t.co/8cKXIsYBuC">https://t.co/8cKXIsYBuC</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1540069051715780608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Guess with such a small audience it is possible :rofl::rofl::rofl:

I’m guessing we’re just using “chill” in place of “cool” now? Definitely not chill to force a restaurant to change the channel for you.

Yeah, that was my first thought too, lol.

That was super chill of that guy you guys. Come on.