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road doggy dogg 01-22-2017 11:43 AM

SI is reporting it... seems real

absolutely awful news

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-22-2017 11:47 AM

Another crash in the DR. Fuck

Bad News Gertner 01-22-2017 11:50 AM

Andy Marte died a few hours earlier in a separate car crash in the Dominican.

Ventura was reportedly drunk.

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-22-2017 12:04 PM

one of the #heels of the game. Definitely will be less interesting without him.

Evil Vito 01-22-2017 12:15 PM

Fucking hell. RIP

Droford 01-22-2017 01:13 PM

Personally thought he was an asshole but seeing the pic of him dead on the ground on Twitter was surreal

Bad News Gertner 01-22-2017 02:19 PM

Ventura was the opposing pitcher in Marte's last MLB game

Damian Rey 2.0 01-22-2017 04:43 PM

I saw that pic. Pretty weird seeing him just laying there. Dead. Sad. Especially if he essentially took his own life by drinking.

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-22-2017 05:46 PM

where'd you see the pic?

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-22-2017 05:48 PM

honestly just curious like where the eff is this shit just chillin. So morbid.

Droford 01-22-2017 05:53 PM

Yahoo linked to somebody with a Twitter account that was taking pictures

https://twitter.com/Jacobommoquete/s...93264346042368

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-22-2017 08:20 PM

bah! So fucking sad. Always hard to be reminded of your own mortality. Know a few guys from around here who've died under similar circumstances.

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-22-2017 09:42 PM

Yea had a friend from middle school who died similarly when he was 21. Guy was always trouble/ in trouble in school.

Nicky Fives 01-23-2017 09:54 AM

These Dominican kids need to hire someone to drive them around in the off-season.... Like pay one of their scrub friends $500 a night to stay sober and drive them home....Absolutely ridiculous....

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-23-2017 10:20 AM

You just get the idea that these athletes in general think they're bullet proof because of what they're physically capable of.

Bad News Gertner 01-23-2017 01:53 PM

On the bright side, at least it didn't happen to a Blue Jay!

Shisen Kopf 01-23-2017 09:22 PM

Even more brightside. Tigers have a better shot at winning the division now that KC is down an ace

Droford 01-23-2017 09:55 PM

KC was probably gonna finish 4th

Droford 01-27-2017 08:23 PM

Going to Fan fest tomorrow. They have clubhouse andvdugout tours..can't wait

screech 01-27-2017 11:44 PM

Got to tour the Baltimore stadiums when I was in college. It was awesome. Have fun!

Droford 01-28-2017 11:34 AM

https://s24.postimg.org/pc99mguw5/028201711327.jpg

Droford 01-28-2017 11:49 AM

Adam Jones had a Detroit Lions jersey hanging in his locker

Damian Rey 2.0 01-28-2017 12:18 PM

Adam Jones is a nice guy. Held a free baseball camp here in San Diego at his old high school.

Droford 01-28-2017 08:55 PM

I got 30 packs of last years baseball cards free. I got a Darren Oday card and Ubaldo. Also got mark Trumbo in a mariners jersey and Wade Miley in a Sox jersey. Also got Yordano Ventura and Jose Fernadez. I got like 10 giveaway t-shirts a media guide and year book a bobble head a Shorebirds cup a MD Flag Os hat and Os winter beanie hat.

Emperor Smeat 01-29-2017 06:19 PM

Apparently Hall of Famer Frank Thomas is upset this year's Hall of Fame class has members with allegations of PED use. Said the voters might as well no longer pretend to be against the Roid era or certain people from it if they don't have a problem voting for others with similar allegations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPN
The Big Hurt, a longtime critic of players using PEDs, spoke out again during the Chicago White Sox's annual fan convention Saturday.

"They should be in now, as far as I'm concerned," Thomas said. "They've let a few people in already we all know. It's uncomfortable at this point. I'm sure this year's going to be uncomfortable because we've got two great players going in, but they know. It's no secret. If they didn't do it, they would be stomping and kicking and in interviews saying, 'I didn't do it.'"

Bonds and Clemens, whose careers were tainted by allegations of steroid use, were passed over for the fifth straight year by the Baseball Writers' Association of America in voting announced a week and a half ago. But both received a majority of votes for the first time and could be in position to get elected in the next few years.

Ivan Rodriguez and Jeff Bagwell did get in despite allegations of PED use, along with Tim Raines, Thomas' teammate with the White Sox.

Jose Canseco wrote in a 2005 book that he showed Rodriguez how to inject steroids. Bagwell has faced speculation that he used PEDs mainly because he went from hitting six home runs in two minor league seasons to 449 with the Houston Astros from 1991 to 2005.

Raines used cocaine. But while Thomas was thrilled to see him get elected, he doesn't really think players who used performance-enhancing drugs belong.

"Not happy at all," Thomas said to a round of applause from fans. "Some of these guys were great players, but they wouldn't have been great players without drugs. ... I don't mind these guys doing what they want to do for their families and make their money. But don't come calling to the Hall of Fame and say, 'I'm supposed to be in the Hall of Fame,' when you know you cheated."

He said if those players are going to get in, then Bonds, Clemens and Sammy Sosa should be enshrined, too -- in a wing devoted to PED use. Otherwise, he said, keep them all out.


SlickyTrickyDamon 01-30-2017 04:24 AM

Writers don't really have a leg to stand on here. They made their money reporting on the increased popularity of baseball and did very little to investigate allegations. Could have done more to get names and discredit people quicker than they were. They made their money and now they have to vote on the people they put on a PED-estal.

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-30-2017 10:48 AM

Frank Thomas laying down a verbal big hurt

Damian Rey 2.0 01-30-2017 12:52 PM

For all we know, Thomas could've been on PEDs. I don't buy into the notion that they wouldn't be good if they didn't take them. Barry Bonds was pretty amazing before he got juiced.

And accusing guys like Bagwell, who had ZERO suspicion until after his career is a bit ridiculous.

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-30-2017 12:58 PM

well his known as one of the biggest assholes in the game.

Droford 01-30-2017 03:11 PM

I missed his interview at Fan fest but Chris Davis revealed he dislocated his left thumb back in April and played the whole season just about with it and still hit 38 HR

ClockShot 01-30-2017 03:15 PM

Judgement came down to the Cardinals from the Astros Hacking Scandal.

St. Louis gotta pay Houston $2 million dollars, and give up their top 2 picks (56 & 75) for the upcoming 2017 draft.

Former Cardinals scouting director Chris Correa has been put on the permanently ineligible list. He's banned from baseball for the time being.

RP 01-30-2017 03:17 PM

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/1...houston-astros

Wow this is huge!

RP 01-30-2017 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 4920835)
Judgement came down to the Cardinals from the Astros Hacking Scandal.

St. Louis gotta pay Houston $2 million dollars, and give up their top 2 picks (56 & 75) for the upcoming 2017 draft.

Former Cardinals scouting director Chris Correa has been put on the permanently ineligible list. He's banned from baseball for the time being.

This

Nicky Fives 01-30-2017 03:42 PM

Christ. Seems a bit overkill, but I guess when you're the first you have to set a precedent.

And just because someone has not been linked to PED's from that era, doesn't mean they didn't do them. I'm of the mindset that if a handful of people were taking them, essentially everyone was.

Ruien 01-30-2017 08:32 PM

Pretty sure Frank Thomas took a shitload of drug test to ensure he was never accused of using steroids. Remember White Sox in general doing a lot of extra testing for awhile too for the entire team.

Droford 01-31-2017 12:30 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Machado: &quot;When the time comes, I know they will come up and try to get something done...I'd rather get a ring than a long-term contract.&quot;</p>&mdash; Steve Melewski (@masnSteve) <a href="https://twitter.com/masnSteve/status/825399005391810560">January 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Damian Rey 2.0 01-31-2017 12:44 AM

Too bad neither are happening in Baltimore. Machado is gonna be free agent # 1A when he hits the market. He'll cost more than Davis, maybe close to or as much as Harper. Highly, highly doubt he stays.

Emperor Smeat 01-31-2017 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 4920835)
Judgement came down to the Cardinals from the Astros Hacking Scandal.

St. Louis gotta pay Houston $2 million dollars, and give up their top 2 picks (56 & 75) for the upcoming 2017 draft.

Former Cardinals scouting director Chris Correa has been put on the permanently ineligible list. He's banned from baseball for the time being.

According to Buster Olney, rest of the league is still upset since they think its too lean of a punishment for what happened. They wanted even more picks and fines to really send a message against the Cards. Also for the MLB to imply the Cards played a minor role in the incident and were mostly guilty by association.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some evaluators with other teams believe that the true value of STL draft picks sacrificed and the $2 million is negligible, in MLB context</p>&mdash; Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/826147538143166465">January 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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SlickyTrickyDamon 01-31-2017 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 4921546)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Machado: &quot;When the time comes, I know they will come up and try to get something done...I'd rather get a ring than a long-term contract.&quot;</p>&mdash; Steve Melewski (@masnSteve) <a href="https://twitter.com/masnSteve/status/825399005391810560">January 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Macho Man to be 3B for Yankees or Sox?

Droford 01-31-2017 07:37 PM

I need to make some kind of bet with you guys on this but its not going to pay off for 2 years. He's not going anywhere

RP 01-31-2017 08:36 PM

I'm taking the Yankees now!

Damian Rey 2.0 02-01-2017 02:00 AM

He sure is. Guys don't stick with their teams like before. There's big money and Machado isn't gonna give a team discount. It's HIGHLY unlikely he stays.

Droford 02-01-2017 02:24 AM

No

Damian Rey 2.0 02-01-2017 02:27 AM

Acceptance is the first step to recovery

Droford 02-01-2017 02:50 AM

Then you accept that he's not going anywhere

They might get rid of everybody else but Manny Machado will continue to play for the Orioles well beyond the year 2018.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-01-2017 03:14 AM

Lol what are you gonna say when he leaves

Droford 02-01-2017 05:23 PM

He's not going anywhere

RP 02-01-2017 06:16 PM

Who's playing third for the Yankee's right now? Gonna have to move him to another team.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-01-2017 06:22 PM

Headley. Think his deal is done by the time Machado hits free agency

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-01-2017 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 4922310)
He's not going anywhere

hypothetically tho

Damian Rey 2.0 02-01-2017 06:29 PM

No Dale. As Droford outlined, Baltimore will offer and Manny will accept a 3 yr discount before getting into big money just do he can stay in Baltimore and be a good guy.

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-01-2017 09:24 PM

Very consistent with a player represented by Scott Boras.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-01-2017 11:57 PM

We all know Scott Boras is all about putting his players' teams first

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-02-2017 09:00 AM

lmao fuck I didn't know Boras was his agent. Droford you're an idiot

Damian Rey 2.0 02-02-2017 06:58 PM

C'mon Dale. We all know good guy Scott Boras will work his tail off to make sure Manny and Baltimore strike a deal that will be fair and favorable to both sides, and will even give them a hometown discount.

I mean, look at how he got the owners to outbid themselves on Crushed Davis last year. That deal looks great for Baltimore right now. Imagine where they'd be if they didn't up their offer that no other team was matching? I shudder to think.

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-03-2017 02:24 PM

Sanchez has Scott Boras as his agent now. Not overly thrilled about that. But more credit to Sanchez, gotta pay them gimmicks that come in the mail called bills.

ClockShot 02-03-2017 08:45 PM

Twins DFA Byung Ho Park.

Signed this guy from South Korea and paid $12.85 million for negotiation rights, and gave him a 4-year $12 million contract.

Kei Igawa all over again.

Droford 02-03-2017 09:12 PM

Orioles should sign him. Must have some sort of power to hit 105 hr in Korea 2014/15

Evil Vito 02-03-2017 10:13 PM

Mets finally get some relievers! Fernando Salas and Jerry Blevins are both back on 1 year deals, and Blevins' deal contains a 2018 option.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-05-2017 07:01 PM

Korean baseball is a notoriously hitter friendly league. Maybe Park has some pop, but Baltimore already has 2 1b/dh only hitters.

ClockShot 02-06-2017 04:26 PM

Rob Manfred's crusade to change baseball rules continues.

His latest pitches (no pun intended): increase the strike zone, and eliminate the 4-pitch intentional walk.

screech 02-06-2017 04:29 PM

100p in favor of eliminating the 4-pitch intentional walk

Damian Rey 2.0 02-06-2017 06:21 PM

Agreed. Just let the guy take first. Bigger strike zone sounds like a fun to further suppress run scoring

Droford 02-06-2017 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 4923708)
Korean baseball is a notoriously hitter friendly league. Maybe Park has some pop, but Baltimore already has 2 1b/dh only hitters.

Trumbo and Davis can both play RF/DH so why not 3

4 guys in the lineup with 40+ HR potential would be something

Nicky Fives 02-07-2017 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 4924206)
100p in favor of eliminating the 4-pitch intentional walk

Same here. They need to eliminate the fat-ass umpires having to walk 60 feet and back to the plate over a dozen times a game.. that'll shave off 20 minutes easy....

Emperor Smeat 02-07-2017 05:46 PM

Getting rid of useless pitches for intentional walks is a great idea but making the strike zone bigger seems like a really bad idea.

Feels like the latter is meant to combat batters who constantly hover inside the zone but a better idea might be to not award a free base if they get hit as a result. Just call it a strike zone violation and make it worth a strike regardless of the count.

Droford 02-07-2017 06:25 PM

Quote:

The American League East is once again a mess. The Boston Red Sox are the class of the division, but the Tampa Bay Rays are projected for second with 84 wins. They are closely following the Toronto Blue Jays (81) and New York Yankees (81). The Baltimore Orioles bring up the rear at 73.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

Which means for like the 6th straight year the morons that think they know so much about baseball will be WRONG. AGAIN.
71 wins in 2012...oops they won 93
74 wins in 2013..oops they won 85
77 wins in 2014...oops they win 96
78 wins in 2015..the closest miss they won 81
72 wins in 2016..oops they won 89

ClockShot 02-07-2017 07:07 PM

Recent signings:

Royals sign Jason Hammel to a 2-year, $16 mil. deal. He's obviously got some big shoes to fill.

Yankees sign Chris Carter. 1-year, $3 mil.

Mike Napoli returns to the Rangers for his 3rd tour of duty. 1-year, $10 mil.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-07-2017 08:48 PM

Droford calling others wrong for thinking they know so much. Lol.

Droford 02-07-2017 10:09 PM

Im figuring the Orioles are about the same 89 win team they were last year. Lets see who is closer on the wins..

For crying out loud they're predicting Manny to only hit 25 home runs. Ill eat my damn Orioles hat and post the video of it if he only hits 25 homers. He should have 25 by July.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-08-2017 02:46 PM

Except they're likely playing above their talent level and are absolutely playing above their runs scored v runs against.

Maybe a homer like yourself thinks they're an 89 win team. But when someone who isn't inherently bias looks at their roster objectively, it's hard to see them being a better than average team when they're gonna likely stink on outfield defense and have a paltry pitching staff.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-08-2017 02:46 PM

I'd be hard pressed to say they're better than the Yankees right now.

Emperor Smeat 02-09-2017 01:28 AM

MLB considering another idea for making games go faster with this time targeting extra inning games.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPN
Yahoo! Sports, citing sources, reported Wednesday that MLB will test a rule change in the rookie-level Gulf Coast League and the Arizona League this summer that will automatically place a runner on second base at the start of extra innings.

A similar rule has been used internationally and will be in place for next month's World Baseball Classic.

According to Joe Torre, the idea on paper is to prevent extra innings from dragging on too long to the point managers need to use utility players as pitchers. Also to prevent extra inning games from getting too boring because of the slower pace.

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-09-2017 02:01 AM

Torre stop fuckin with the game you Yankee piece of shit! Fuck you! What runners are put on? What if they are the best hitters. Why would they just be on base. Fuck you!

Damian Rey 2.0 02-09-2017 02:05 AM

Yeah this is dumb. It's a solution to a problem that's seemingly not to common.

Droford 02-09-2017 02:08 AM

They should just make extra innings sudden death. If the away team scores first fuck the home team.

Droford 02-09-2017 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4925558)
Torre stop fuckin with the game you Yankee piece of shit! Fuck you! What runners are put on? What if they are the best hitters. Why would they just be on base. Fuck you!

Leadoff hitter goes to 2nd. Id assume the idea is two sacrifices to score a run however if I managed id walk the next guy to setup a double plsy. Would probably happen 98% of the time.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-09-2017 02:33 AM

You idiot. Adding base runners only increases the chances of scoring.

Nicky Fives 02-09-2017 08:00 AM

Instead of a 3-3 game ending 4-3 in the 12th, with these new rules the games would end 12-11 in the 17th and take twice as long with all the pitching changes. Theonly way it would work is if it was sudden death, which makes no sense whatsoever.

ClockShot 02-09-2017 01:31 PM

Chatter around the net is that Jeff Loria has a "handshake agreement" to sell the Marlins. A New York based real estate developer is the buyer and the price tag, $1.6 billion dollars.

Link to MLB Trade Rumors article. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/0...agreement.html

Emperor Smeat 02-09-2017 07:16 PM

No way the Marlins are worth that much money. Would put them inside the Top 10 and close to the Top 5 for valuable franchises if that was true.

ClockShot 02-09-2017 07:24 PM

Brand spankin' new stadium can always do the trick. And, sorta gotta blame Giancarlo Stanton. Gotta pay $325 million over the course of his deal.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-09-2017 08:25 PM

They could very well be worth that much. New stadium, tv rights deal, revenue sharing plus whatever revenue they generate on their own, etc.

Loria is a shit bag so thank God he's leaving. Feel bad for the people of Miami.

Emperor Smeat 02-10-2017 04:08 AM

Only thought it was odd since Forbes and others have their value at around $675 million. Doesn't mean they can only be sold for that amount but thought it felt a bit strange anyone would want to an extra billion on top for them.

Them actually being worth $1.6 billion would put them around 7th for all of MLB and not around 29th.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...teams-in-2010/

Nicky Fives 02-10-2017 06:40 AM

If Montreal had a decent stadium that didn't have a questionable roof, there's no doubt in my mind that Marlins would have been gone long ago....

Bad News Gertner 02-10-2017 12:12 PM

I'm all for the extra innings rule. I hate when games go past 9. Bleh.

Droford 02-10-2017 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 4925565)
You idiot. Adding base runners only increases the chances of scoring.

If you walk to setup double play you could theoretically pick off the lead runner first on a ground ball. You could also get the middle runner out but that opens up an opportunity for a sac fly if you don't turn the double plsy. I just wouldn't want the other team to get s shot at scoring a run without a hit. If they get a hit then whatever.

Teams do a variation of this all the time in extra innings anyway when a team gets 2 on no out..they'll walk them loaded to get the force at home and then turn a double plsy. Seem to remember that working for the Orioles recently.

Nicky Fives 02-10-2017 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 4926133)
If you walk to setup double play you could theoretically pick off the lead runner first on a ground ball. You could also get the middle runner out but that opens up an opportunity for a sac fly if you don't turn the double plsy. I just wouldn't want the other team to get s shot at scoring a run without a hit. If they get a hit then whatever.

Teams do a variation of this all the time in extra innings anyway when a team gets 2 on no out..they'll walk them loaded to get the force at home and then turn a double plsy. Seem to remember that working for the Orioles recently.

The problem with that is usually in extras if the reliever puts 2 on, they have to switch pitchers after the walk, resulting in more time....that's what kills the time in my eyes (especially in the playoffs) when you have more than 1 pitching change per half inning....

Emperor Smeat 02-10-2017 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 4926056)
If Montreal had a decent stadium that didn't have a questionable roof, there's no doubt in my mind that Marlins would have been gone long ago....

Could have been like the Twins and really fight MLB's attempt to relocate them. Rember them and the Expos were the teams MLB tried to move since both had similar problems but MLB didn't expect how much of a fight the Twins would give which is why they got to stay.

Droford 02-10-2017 05:41 PM

Orioles got Gabriel Ynoa from the Mets and apparently think he could be a starter. You know ah..

road doggy dogg 02-10-2017 06:59 PM

Illitch nooooo

Evil Vito 02-10-2017 07:39 PM

RIP :(

Droford 02-10-2017 07:46 PM

Died the day after pizza day..hmm

Nicky Fives 02-11-2017 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4926161)
Could have been like the Twins and really fight MLB's attempt to relocate them. Rember them and the Expos were the teams MLB tried to move since both had similar problems but MLB didn't expect how much of a fight the Twins would give which is why they got to stay.

The Jays' recent success in Canada has sparked a baseball interest in all of Canada. 5 years ago you wouldn't see anyone wearing Jays merch, whereas nowadays there are people wearing hats and shirts all over. Several bus loads of people from Quebec make the 6 hour drive to essentially all Jays home games, not to mention the busloads that head down to Boston as well.

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-11-2017 01:53 PM

I honestly believe part of it (maybe 15-25%) is that the Jays Merch isn't fucking hideous anymore. Very conservative, effective throwback style.

Your merch has to be appealing to sell IMO. Obviously the rest is the team itself being marketable, but man the Jersies from mid 90s onwards were hideous until the recent throwback incarnation back to the early 90s.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-11-2017 03:51 PM

What Dale said. You don't see a ton of the contemporary Padres stuff here in San Diego. But the 90s blue and orange and especially the brown are huge sellers here.

Which is why it pisses me off that the teams refuses to go to those colors even as the official team colors.

ClockShot 02-11-2017 03:58 PM

Ok. Update to the potential Marlins sale. Y'all gonna love this.

Joshua Kushner is the preliminary buyer. He's the son of Charles Kushner, who served time in federal prison for white collar stuff. The younger brother of Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump's husband and the son-in-law of El Presidente himself, Donald Trump.

Supposedly, Charles & Jared have no hands in this. Which would make it a bit easier for owners to approve him.

ClockShot 02-12-2017 07:42 AM

Dodgers re-sign Chase Utley to a 1-year deal.

The Braves' quest to fill their new stadium with butts & stars continues. They're set to acquire Brandon Phillips from the Reds. Who else is involved in the trade is unknown, but Phillips has agreed to waive his no-trade clause and do some tweaks in his contract for this to happen.

Damian Rey 2.0 02-13-2017 12:54 AM

Apparently the Reds are getting back non prospects and eating all but $1mil of the salary. Great move for Atlanta, while Cincy comes out with virtually nothing for one of their franchise players.

SlickyTrickyDamon 02-13-2017 01:26 AM

Why did Atlanta even need a new stadium?


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