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Jordan 08-20-2018 03:32 PM

I'm not impressed with the Long Beach card at all, no big singles match with Japanese stars is a big disappointment. I am happy that Juice and Cody will get the main, they deserve a spot like that but still, we want to see Tanahashi, Omega, Naito, Ishii get a good go for us here on US soil.

slik 08-20-2018 03:40 PM

Definitely

SANADA is my favorite dude in NJPW and whenever I get to catch them on U.S. soil I'd be very disappointed if he wasn't there (I'm not going to Long Beach, just saying 'in general')

Innovator 08-20-2018 03:54 PM

Japanese stars will be there but they won't reveal anything until after the big matches from Destruction shows are done

Ultra Mantis 09-09-2018 02:09 PM

Both BONE(R) SOLDIER and Bushi have been teasing about getting a partner for the upcoming Jr Tag League. There is word (maybe just wishful thinking) going around that Pac / Neville is coming in to join BCOG. Dunno who they would put with Bushi, he's been talking like he might have to sit it out but I guess it would make sense to bring in one of the Ingos from CMLL who isn't Rush? I don't know much about them.

I'm expecting / hoping Sabin & KUSHIDA come into play too as "Alex Shelley's Friends".
Or "Time Machine".
Whatever.

Emperor Smeat 09-09-2018 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5161837)
I'm not impressed with the Long Beach card at all, no big singles match with Japanese stars is a big disappointment. I am happy that Juice and Cody will get the main, they deserve a spot like that but still, we want to see Tanahashi, Omega, Naito, Ishii get a good go for us here on US soil.

NJPW's main problem is outside of the first G1 Special, doesn't seem like they really care about these US shows and their schedule or booking isn't flexible enough to add extra big events.

This year's set of US shows being right after big events ended up hurting more than it helped. NJPW was way too preoccupied with those major events and had little to no time left to build up the US shows.

Ultra Mantis 09-09-2018 07:09 PM

I think the problem lies in the way New Japan approach booking singles matches and the conditioning of western audiences who are exposed to cards full of marquee singles matches. The result is a lot of singles matches that aren't really massive deals. It was the same with SSE UK, but we still got two or three killer singles matches and a solid card with only Okada there of the big four.

I'd expect Tana / White (assuming Tana retains) and EVIL / Jericho (EVIL keeps talking about Jericho in every single post match interview) to be added after Destruction. Broken Okada probably in a CHAOS six man with Dustin and Greg. Omega will be there in some capacity, even if he's just defending against Yano or something lighter.

Ultra Mantis 09-09-2018 07:09 PM

Of course this is Gedo booking so he could easily NOPE every single one of those assumptions.

Destor 09-09-2018 07:14 PM

If they americanize the product they will ruin it completely. The matches that matter do so because of how rare they are.

We used to hace job matches here that served that purpose. To stretch important matches out and to maximize the mileage of a few workers.

Bischoff ruined that and its been consistently more difficult to make money since.

What NJPW is doing is in the best interest of sustainable long term money and hot shotting for quick pay days is the absolute worst thing they can do

Ultra Mantis 09-09-2018 08:17 PM

Yeah absolutely, honestly would much rather see SANADA or someone do two moves in a six man than just have WALTER squash Yujiro for the sake of a singles match too. They gave us Sabre / Okada and Ishii / Suzuki, two really strong matches. That was more than enough to make the show worth it.

The cost of flying everyone out from Japan as opposed to using gaijin talent as much as possible also seems like a big factor. It's obvs not as much of a big travel hit to have so many guys on a tour if it's mainly natives driving around Japan for two or three weeks. Could be another reason why they're doing so many singles abroad.

Feels like part of the reason they don't reveal much on the US side of things early on is because if they're not giving away Omega / Ibushi, Naito / Jericho and Tana / Okada plus Suzuki, Ishii, all of Bullet Club and LIJ then the internet will be disappointed. Kind of want them to just take it by the balls and be like "You're getting Okada vs Taichi and Naito vs Yujiro No Limit grudge match and you will LOVE IT".

Mr. Nerfect 09-14-2018 04:51 AM

New Japan is pretty good at pacing its shit out and milking what they can out of it. A big risk with putting all of these things on television or a streaming service is that people see it, and once you've seen it, you've often seen it. They're very good at making sure they can keep in real time, but also like they've got things in the back pocket you know you are going to see, and evolving the things you have already seen.

slik 09-14-2018 10:39 AM

Sanada

(just wanted to post his name)

Ultra Mantis 09-14-2018 10:12 PM

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Evil Vito 09-15-2018 08:43 AM

SANADA rules

Ol Dirty Dastard 09-15-2018 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5170051)
If they americanize the product they will ruin it completely. The matches that matter do so because of how rare they are.

We used to hace job matches here that served that purpose. To stretch important matches out and to maximize the mileage of a few workers.

Bischoff ruined that and its been consistently more difficult to make money since.

What NJPW is doing is in the best interest of sustainable long term money and hot shotting for quick pay days is the absolute worst thing they can do

:y::y::y::y::y::y:

mike adamle 09-23-2018 08:44 AM

Finally got around to watching the IWGP Title match from last weekend. Sad to see Ishii didn't win the gold. Not only do they need to get the belt off of Omega ASAP, but Ishii would be a perfect champion.

Emperor Smeat 09-23-2018 05:59 PM

Tanahashi vs Okada at Destruction in Kobe was amazing.

:lol: at another decision this year by Okada coming back to bite him in the end.

Also :lol: at YOSHI pulling a Titus when he came out. Ouch at the gash on his head though.

Fignuts 09-23-2018 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike adamle (Post 5175620)
Finally got around to watching the IWGP Title match from last weekend. Sad to see Ishii didn't win the gold. Not only do they need to get the belt off of Omega ASAP, but Ishii would be a perfect champion.

Why do they need to get the belt off omega?

Also, I love Ishii but he's more of an upper midcard act. I just don't see him as anything more than a transitional champ if anything.

Ultra Mantis 09-23-2018 07:28 PM

I actually like YOSHI-HASHI a lot more than I did before this tour. Felt like accidentally fucking himself up on the rescue attempt actually strengthened his role in this angle. Hope he's okay.

Naito's fuckery with Suzuki seemed to be hinting at dissention from Taichi in the post match promos. Taichi has been trashing the NEVER title and all its previous owners, which obviously includes his boss, he also tried to take the main event spot from Suzuki at Naito's insistence. Bushi was pissed at EVIL for not believing he could lead the Jrs in Hiromu's place, while Naito cryptically hinted that LiJ isn't going to stay the same going forward and they can't just sit and wait for Hiromu to come back. It's low key turbulent times for all the factions.

Volare 09-24-2018 10:01 AM

At least subtitles have been added. Makes you understand things alot better!

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slik 09-24-2018 12:31 PM

SANADA #1

Innovator 09-24-2018 04:27 PM

Stupid sexy Sanada

Ultra Mantis 09-25-2018 10:43 AM

SANADA is clearly TPWW's #1 New Japan hunk.

Innovator 09-25-2018 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan X (Post 5161837)
I'm not impressed with the Long Beach card at all, no big singles match with Japanese stars is a big disappointment. I am happy that Juice and Cody will get the main, they deserve a spot like that but still, we want to see Tanahashi, Omega, Naito, Ishii get a good go for us here on US soil.

Full card:

ACH, Ryusuke Taguchi and Liger vs Roppongi 3k (Sho, Yoh and Rocky Romero)

Christopher Daniels and Frankie Kazarian vs Hangman Page and Chase Owens

Jeff Cobb, Chris Sabin and Flip Gordon vs Goto and Best Friends (Chuckie T and Berretta)

Naito, Evil and Sanada vs ZSJ and Killer Elite Squad

Hiroshi Tanahashi and Kushida vs Gedo and Jay White

IWGP Jr. Heavyweight tournament semifinal bout: Will Ospreay vs Marty Scurll

IWGP Tag Team Championship: (c)Young Bucks vs Guerrillas of Destiny

IWGP US Championship: (c) Juice Robinson vs Cody

Main event: Okada and Ishii vs Omega and Ibushi

Ultra Mantis 09-25-2018 10:53 AM

All representatives of CHAOS seem to be with Okada, for now at least.

Innovator 09-25-2018 10:55 AM

I can see Sho and Yoh going with White and Gedo

slik 09-30-2018 09:38 PM

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slik 09-30-2018 09:54 PM

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Ultra Mantis 10-02-2018 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis (Post 5179272)
Next two cards are out:

NEW JAPAN ROAD - Ganbaro! UONUMA 2018 - SAT. OCTOBER. 6. 2018

Henare vs Tsuji
Nagata vs Narita
Umino / Tiger / Liger vs Despy / Kanemaru / Taichi
Taguchi / GBH vs Nakanishi / Tencozy
Uncle Goto / Uncle Ishii vs Suzuki / Iizuka
KUSHIDA / Tanahashi vs The Knife Perverts
CHAOS (SHO / YOH / Yano / Okada) vs LiJ (Naito / BUSHI / EVIL / SANADA)

KING OF PRO-WRESTLING - MON. OCTOBER. 8. 2018

IWGP Jr. HEAVYWEIGHT TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP Tiger Liger vs Despy & Kanemaru
GBH vs Juice / Henare
Young Bucks / Hangman Page / WWE presents "Crown Jewel" Chase Owens vs Tama Tonga / Tango Loa / BONER Soldier / Bad Luck Fale
Ospreay & The Uncles vs Suzuki / Iizuka / Taichi
CHAOS (SHO / YOH / Yano / Okada) vs LiJ (Naito / SANADA / BUSHI / Mystery Partner)
EVIL vs Zack Sabre Jr
IWGP Jr. HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP KUSHIDA vs Marty Scurll
BREIFCASE WANKER MATCH Tanahashi vs Switchblade
IWGP HEAVYWEIGHT TRIPLE THREAT CHAMPIONSHIP Omega vs Ibushi vs Cody (Rhodes)


Bullet Club OG never going to lose (until BONER gets pinned in the Jr Tag League)

CHAOS still standing with Okada, though they have been losing every single match and this looks like it's going to be the case here too.

Holy Emperor Taichi has apparently been scrubbing Suzuki-Gun references off all of his social media, is he about to get killed by the King for his insubordination?

Interested to see who is joining LiJ, 100% sure they will not be as handsome as SANADA though.

Ultra Mantis 10-02-2018 10:45 AM

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Emperor Smeat 10-02-2018 04:01 PM

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Mr. Nerfect 10-02-2018 06:55 PM

Kairi Sane is really "kawaii" (not to sound like Guru Dave). I know Vince doesn't watch other promotions, but someone should really show Vince some Japanese porn so he can "get it" with her.

Evil Vito 10-08-2018 07:15 AM

Spoilered even though spoilers are to be expected in an NJPW thread.
SPOILER: show

Shingo Takagi is the newest member of LIJ.

Jericho attacks EVIL, formally setting up the next IC TItle match.

Tanahashi retains the briefcase.

Jay White, Gedo, and Jado have joined the Bullet Club OGs.

You knew Jado was turning on Okada but I didn't see them going with the OGs. Suppose if they had to join a group it's the only one that makes sense.

slik 10-08-2018 09:11 AM

Dome Show already sounds good!

Emperor Smeat 10-08-2018 05:01 PM

Last Falconry looks pretty sweet as a finisher.

Emperor Smeat 10-08-2018 06:20 PM

Forgot to mention it earlier but White vs Tanahashi from today's King of Pro Wrestling show was way better than their bout at Wrestle Kingdom 12.

Mr. Nerfect 10-09-2018 07:10 AM

Have they dialed back on the Switchblade stuff? I remember it didn't feel authentic for the guy, but I've heard he's been more "comfortable" since.

Lol, Shingo Takagi. Good for him. I remember he was a thing when NOAH was hot in the mid-2000's.

Ultra Mantis 10-09-2018 08:20 AM

They transitioned him into a whiny teenager who plays with knives rather than the scary psychopath type they were originally going for. White is a lot more comfortable being a sneaky shitheel, the first iteration never felt genuine. His match against Suzuki in the G1 where he came up against an actual scary psychopath who absolutely crushed him was a cathartic moment.

Mr. Nerfect 10-09-2018 10:10 AM

Lol, that does sound great. I love Suzuki so much.

Innovator 10-09-2018 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis (Post 5182783)
They transitioned him into a whiny teenager who plays with knives rather than the scary psychopath type they were originally going for. White is a lot more comfortable being a sneaky shitheel, the first iteration never felt genuine. His match against Suzuki in the G1 where he came up against an actual scary psychopath who absolutely crushed him was a cathartic moment.

That fucking forearm

Swiss Ultimate 10-09-2018 11:59 AM

Are there any Japenese wrestlers that wear a maid costume?

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Vastardikai 10-09-2018 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 5182832)
That fucking forearm

When you get hit so hard, it fixes mental issues rather than causes them.

Innovator 10-11-2018 10:13 AM

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Mr. Nerfect 10-12-2018 02:31 AM

I really like the angle coming out of their latest show, provided I've got the history right:

SPOILER: show
* Okada joined with Gedo when he challenged Tanahashi and surprisingly won the IWGP Heavyweight Title from Tanahashi, right? If that's the case, then Gedo has been with Okada through his entire run as The Rainmaker.

* Okada and Tanahashi had a classic series of matches, that I believed ended in respect with Tanahashi claiming a final stake at the title and he would not bother Okada if Okada won.

* This is about the time Jay White was offered to train at the New Japan Dojo.

* Okada managed to continue as the ace, eventually having the greatest IWGP Heavyweight Title reign of all-time (in terms of stats).

* Okada lost the belt and then underwent a change. The loss really affected him.

* Okada failed to win the G1 and failed to beat Tanahashi, the man he now respects, to win the Tokyo Dome title shot.

* I'm not sure if this is overtly the story they are going to tell, but I like the idea of Gedo, the evil genius behind Chaos, beginning to lose a bit of faith in Okada the moment he began to "soften" on Tanahashi. But of course you stick with him while he's winning. But in the meantime, he found a guy that he will train to be Okada's kryptonite, if you will. Jay White has been a Gedo project in secret since 2013.

* Gedo attacked both Tanahashi and Okada. Tanahashi is the guy Gedo wanted to destroy, Okada is the "failed weapon" against him. Now he needs his Switchblade to enact revenge on both of them.

* Jay White obviously has the backing of New Japan, and he has been impressing fans more and more, but he is lacking that "oomph" that a lot of other rising stars have. Yet there is danger in him being paired with Gedo, because the last time Gedo did this, Okada won the IWGP Title out of nowhere. You can sell Gedo as a "starmaker" who takes guys from the middle to the top very quickly. He did it with Okada, he's going to do it with White.

* I like White as the choice, because he is quite unassuming in many ways, and he doesn't come with the "American cred." He's not dipping his toes in as many pools and seems mainly focused on New Japan. I also like that he's not a guy that people have "pegged," so his rise is both surprising and something a bit foreign or bitter. It's not simply a guy people love getting a push, it's this outlier of people's imaginations getting the push. It kind of reminds me how people thought Vince McMahon could turn people into stars during the Attitude era. You never knew where the next one could come from.

* I'm actually completely down for Okada vs. White at the Tokyo Dome. People might see it as a "waste" of Okada, but I really like the potential story here. And I like how it is a "schism" in how you would expect the top matches to turn out.

With a single angle and a couple of chair shots, New Japan have launched an angle with six years of history. You don't get to see that in WWE these days. And to be honest, I'm completely down with White beating Okada at the Dome. I feel that would be "shocking" and be a huge boost to this White/Gedo pairing. I think Tanahashi has beaten Okada twice at Wrestle Kingdom, but outside of that, I think Okada has won all his WK matches.

Fignuts 10-12-2018 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5182761)
Have they dialed back on the Switchblade stuff? I remember it didn't feel authentic for the guy, but I've heard he's been more "comfortable" since.

Lol, Shingo Takagi. Good for him. I remember he was a thing when NOAH was hot in the mid-2000's.

Noah? Shingo Takagi has always been a Dragon Gate guy, up until his recent AJPW run.

Mr. Nerfect 10-12-2018 05:32 AM

Oh yeah, they were working with both around that time. Because I thought of him as bigger, I assumed it was a NOAH thing. I may have also been confusing his promotion with Go Shiazaki's.

slik 10-22-2018 01:16 PM

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slik 11-26-2018 09:30 AM

Meltzer will be attending Wrestling Kingdom live, so get ready for the first 8 star rating.

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Ultra Mantis 12-09-2018 03:32 PM

Young Bucks are facing a lot of negative fan reaction after they refused to work World Tag League but then got put in the title match at the Tokyo Dome anyway. Cody was already somewhat of an unpopular figure due to only working the one off US shows and seemingly always being in a title match, while even Omega has caught some negativity for skipping most of the tours this year. If you look at the actual stats of actual tours worked by The Elite, it looks like this:

Omega: 2
Young Bucks: 0
Cody: 0
Scurll: 1
Hangman Page: 2

Compare that to some of the other foreign talent:

Beretta: 3 (was out injured for 6 months, came back in late July, while the G1 was well underway)
Chuck Taylor: 4
Juice Robinson: 8
Tama Tonga: 4
Elgin: 7
Killer Elite Squad: 4
ZSJ: 4
Chris Sabin: 2 (not even on the New Japan roster)

They're pretty much doing the Brock schedule :lol: Probably doesn't help that their current schtick is that they are leaving for WWE.

Mr. Nerfect 12-10-2018 06:17 PM

It certainly adds fuel to the fire that they aren't going to be sticking with New Japan.

Droford 12-10-2018 08:40 PM

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“Kenny Omega-thon” Schedule (subject to change) – Friday, Dec. 28 at 2pE/11aP:

· 2pE – G1 Climax 26 Final – Kenny Omega vs. Hirooki Goto
· 3pE – Wrestle Kingdom 11 – IWGP Heavyweight Championship – Omega vs. Kazuchika Okada
· 4pE – Dominion 2017 – IWGP Heavyweight Championship – Omega vs. Okada
· 5pE – G1 Special in USA – IWGP U.S. Heavyweight Championship Tournament Final –Omega vs. Tomohiro Ishii
· 6pE – Wrestle Kingdom 12 – IWGP U.S. Heavyweight Championship – Omega vs. Chris Jericho
· 7pE – New Beginning in Sapporo 2018 – IWGP U.S. Heavyweight Championship – Omega vs. Jay White
· 8pE – Dominion 2018 – IWGP Heavyweight Championship – Omega vs. Okada (2 hr)
· 10pE – G1 Special in San Francisco – IWGP Heavyweight Championship – Omega vs. Cody
· 11pE – King of Pro-Wrestling 2018 – IWGP Heavyweight Championship – Omega vs. Cody vs. Kota Ibushi

Evil Vito 12-11-2018 09:50 AM

Aside from the participants in the pre-show, the Wrestle Kingdom card appears to have been finalized

IWGP World Heavyweight Championship
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kenny Omega [Elite] (C)

IWGP Intercontinental Championship
Tetusya Naito [LIJ] vs. Chris Jericho (C)

Kazuchika Okada [Chaos] vs. Jay White [Bullet Club]

IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship
Taiji Ishimori [Bullet Club] vs. KUSHIDA (C)

IWGP United States Heavyweight Championship
Juice Robinson vs. Cody [Elite] (C)

IWGP Tag Team Championship
The Young Bucks [Elite] vs. EVIL and SANADA [LIJ] vs. Guerrilas of Destiny [Bullet Club] (C)

British Heavyweight Championship
Zack Sabre Jr. [Suzuki-gun] vs. Tomohiro Ishii [Chaos] (C)

IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship
BUSHI and Shingo Takagi [LIJ] vs. Roppongi 3K [Chaos] vs. El Desperado and Yoshinobu Kanemaru [Suzuki-gun]

NEVER Openweight Championship
Will Ospreay [Chaos] vs. Kota Ibushi (C)

Pre-Show - Gauntlet for #1 Contendership for the NEVER Openweight 6-Man Tag Team Championship

I would assume there will be at least five teams for the gauntlet. If I were to guess:

Chaos (Hirooki Goto, Beretta, Chuckie T)
Elite (Hangman Page, Marty Scurll, Yujiro Takahashi)
Taguchi Japan (Ryusuke Taguchi, David Finlay, Toa Henare)
GBH (Togi Makabe, Tomoaki Honma, Toru Yano...they've just had Yano and Makabe get on good terms again presumably for this)
Suzuki-gun (Taichi, Lance Archer, Davey Boy Smith Jr)...alternatively could be Taichi, Takashi Iizuka, and Minoru Suzuki...Suzuki on the pre-show feels weird and they might just have him do something at New Year's Dash instead)

Then again the gauntlet is replacing the New Japan Rumble, which was always like a 25-30 minute match so there might be more teams to get the New Japan Dads onto the show.

Vastardikai 12-11-2018 02:14 PM

Only thing I can see is Tana winning IWGP title and Suzuki coming in as the first challenger.

Mr. Nerfect 12-11-2018 07:24 PM

How has Will Ospreay been going? I'm kind of intrigued by the idea of him and Ibushi. It's certainly a different style of NEVER Title match. I've also got an interest in Tanahashi vs. Omega and how Okada vs. White goes down. A lot of these matches are going to be effected by contract situations, I imagine, which is going to make things interesting.

Vastardikai 12-11-2018 07:26 PM

I dislike the idea of Kota as NEVER champ. I kinda took it as the tough guy belt.

Mr. Nerfect 12-11-2018 07:30 PM

That's where they've taken the belt, but from what I have seen of Ibushi, they seem to want to tease him being able to snap and hold his own in that realm. But I don't mind a different style of champ getting it for a while. Ibushi with gold is good, and you can't put too much on him because of his free agent status.

Fignuts 12-11-2018 09:26 PM

Fucking hate osprey with that belt. Wouldn’t mind Ibushi. He can throw down and have a slugfest if it calls for it.

Also, hoping Omega retains. His reign has been completely uneventful so far. Needs a big defense against a made guy like Tanahashi for it to be successful. As it is it’s just a defense against Ishii and another against Cody. Beating midcarders isn’t the best follow up to the Okada run.

Ultra Mantis 12-12-2018 09:27 AM

Ospreay doesn't have it, at least not yet, and I wouldn't expect him to win it now as the plan was clearly Taichi > Ospreay > Ibushi. I'm interested to see what happens with it now that Goto has moved out of the picture and none of the other big boys seem to be after it. I'd imagine Ibushi gets a lengthy run as somewhat of a trial to see how committed he is before he gets a bigger belt.

Evil Vito 12-12-2018 10:14 AM

Omega's reign has underwhelmed, but I don't really blame him for it. Dominion is a pretty terrible time to win the belt as G1 is only like a month away which means the champ will straight away need to eat a pin or two to set up title matches, but you already pretty well know they aren't dropping the belt until the Dome.

Jordan 12-12-2018 11:31 AM

I wonder if perhaps Omega's reign has been booked "less strong" than we'd want because they knew he was leaving at the end of his current deal. Possible. Also possible they haven't had him in a Okada like spotlight because he's not Japanese.

Mr. Nerfect 12-15-2018 11:21 PM

I think it's helping Okada's reign stand out as special. If Omega continues to work with New Japan, I can see him winning it back from Tanahashi down the line.

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Vastardikai 12-16-2018 04:06 PM

I am not an Ospreay fan by any stretch, but I will admit that is cool. Mostly the reaction.

Mr. Nerfect 12-27-2018 05:02 PM

Not surprising, but Tanahashi has signed a new deal with New Japan.

Volare 12-28-2018 10:30 AM

That tag team match was insane!!

XL 12-28-2018 01:54 PM

Feels like NJPW isn’t carrying the same buzz into this Wrestle Kingdom as they did last year.

Evil Vito 12-29-2018 12:11 PM

I'd agree with that, and I can understand why it happened. I think Jericho vs. Omega was a complete dream match in the eyes of many within the IWC. Couple that with Naito becoming popular and everyone thinking he'd go over Okada and those two matches alone generated a huge buzz.

Now a year later, Jericho's still there, no longer a new face in the picture. Can't call Jericho/Naito a dream match when it already happened in June, and Naito himself has been cooled a bit by still never getting his crowning moment.

And in the main, Omega/Tana should be a great match but it just doesn't have the steam Okada/Naito had. They've also kinda booked themselves into a corner. If Tana wins, it means Omega's title run will have ended having lacked any real big moment, he peaked upon winning the title. If Omega wins, that means that yet again the G1 winner has failed to win the title.

Also in consideration - is Kenny leaving or not? I don't think we'll know until the end of January. Also, would Gedo even be willing to have a gaijin win in the main event of Wrestle Kingdom?

Ultra Mantis 12-29-2018 07:07 PM

I think most of it is down to repetition, the three big matches feature the same six guys, (the big four + Jericho and Jay White) but this time the pairings are less exciting. Omega only just showing up to start building the main event in the last few shows leading Tanahashi to help build up Okada's match instead of his own. Jericho is also never there so can't really have hot feuds, it's all surprise factor with him but he's been doing the same schtick all year when he shows up once and attacks somebody and that's it.

Then there's Cody taking up a singles title match spot again despite never being around and wont be going forward, Young Bucks in the tag title match but they are never around and wont be going forward, SANADA and EVIL still stuck in the tag scene wrestling GOD again, Jr Tag being a rematch from Power Struggle.

Ibushi / Ospreay suffered from the injury and the plan B to get there isn't as compelling as the Plan A was going to be. That pretty much leaves Okada / White as the only match that's got a hot build, so it's unfortunate White is not quite there yet to make the most of it. Also, no Hiromu.

Still really looking forward to it though.

Mr. Nerfect 12-29-2018 10:16 PM

Eh, I think the overall vibe is generally better. It feels like the company is always gaining steam, albeit slowly. I think ticket sales and business projections are generally higher too. It'll be interesting to see if that continues or whether they are due for a drop-off.

Evil Vito 12-30-2018 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis (Post 5209154)
Then there's Cody taking up a singles title match spot again despite never being around and wont be going forward, Young Bucks in the tag title match but they are never around and wont be going forward, SANADA and EVIL still stuck in the tag scene wrestling GOD again, Jr Tag being a rematch from Power Struggle.

In general, while I trust Gedo with booking long-term story arcs with the top singles stars - I feel like it becomes his sole focus and he subsequently goes into autopilot with the rest of the divisions.

The Junior Tag League wound up being completely pointless. The World Tag League didn't have much intrigue because EVIL and SANADA were obviously winning as they weren't going to be left off of WK. And the singles junior division, while hampered by the Hirmou injury, just feels like it's "there".

Mr. Nerfect 12-30-2018 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5209236)
In general, while I trust Gedo with booking long-term story arcs with the top singles stars - I feel like it becomes his sole focus and he subsequently goes into autopilot with the rest of the divisions.

The Junior Tag League wound up being completely pointless. The World Tag League didn't have much intrigue because EVIL and SANADA were obviously winning as they weren't going to be left off of WK. And the singles junior division, while hampered by the Hirmou injury, just feels like it's "there".

In theory, I don't mind this. Your main drawing cards should feel more like an arc, whereas the others can be more frivolous for emphasis. From my understanding, the Junior Tag League was won by Sho and Yoh to give them a babyface push, but Shingo and whoever his partner is have just kind of edged in? It's a decent heel tactic to create champions for the babyfaces to eventually beat. It's a neat trick, so I wouldn't say it's "meaningless." Putting EVIL and Sanada in position to challenge for the main tag belts makes sense.

I guess I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I don't think it's a bad thing. It's kind of foundational pro-wrestling.

Ultra Mantis 12-30-2018 09:54 PM

Shingo and Bushi are also babyface and objectively more popular than SHO and YOH. The WK Jr Tag match is actually the exact same match they had as the Jr World Tag League final, making SHO and YOH's win there seem kind of pointless.

EVIL and SANADA won Tag League and won the titles at WK last year too, then they got fed to the Young Bucks and were given a slight push as singles guys, EVIL had a much higher profile sustained push feuding with Jericho and Zack Sabre Jr, while SANADA got a world title shot early in the year, tweaked his gimmick so he now actually talks occasionally (meaning he can win a singles main event and do the end of show promo) and then remained super over despite not really being given anything else to do.

Business is very much still in a growth period though and shows are drawing more than ever, certain pockets of the internet might claim it's a "worse product" but it's definitely not. The matches themselves will be solid, worst match on the card is Cody vs Juice Robinson and that wont necessarily be bad.

Mr. Nerfect 12-30-2018 10:04 PM

There's only so many spaces at the tippy-top. You've got Tanahashi, Okada, Omega, Naito and Jericho. After that you've got Goto and Suzuki while you're trying to put some focus on Ibushi, Ishii, ZSJ and Ospreay. It's hard to give someone like EVIL or Sanada something more important to do than they actually are.

Fignuts 12-31-2018 03:19 AM

They need to make Sanada important. Dude is money.

Ultra Mantis 12-31-2018 05:26 AM

Seriously, SANADA is so over with the audience he should definitely be ahead of Goto, Suzuki, Ishii and ZSJ, while Ospreay is still a Jr. That's not a slight on any of those guys either.

mike adamle 12-31-2018 06:28 AM

He absolutely should not be ahead of Suzuki and Ishii...

Evil Vito 12-31-2018 07:44 AM

I love both of those guys, but Suzuki is 50 and Ishii is 43. SANADA is only 30.

I realize that age isn’t a huge deal in puro, but still. SANADA has a really long career still ahead of him.

mike adamle 12-31-2018 08:31 AM

But he's still behind those guys in the pecking order. ZSJ is ahead of him too.

Ultra Mantis 12-31-2018 10:19 AM

Suzuki and Ishii are both brilliant but they aren't going to go any higher up the card at this point in their careers. Same with Goto. Loads more potential in SANADA.

Innovator 12-31-2018 10:25 AM

Ishii is only 25 in Stone Pitbull years

Evil Vito 12-31-2018 11:03 AM

When Suzuki was murdering Tanahashi and winning the IC Title last year, I never expected that by Wrestle Kingdom he'd end up in the pre-show gauntlet. But I really think it's all by design to have Sabre usurp him.

Vastardikai 12-31-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Conspiracy Victim Vito (Post 5209573)
When Suzuki was murdering Tanahashi and winning the IC Title last year, I never expected that by Wrestle Kingdom he'd end up in the pre-show gauntlet. But I really think it's all by design to have Sabre usurp him.

I was honestly hoping he'd get the Main Title for the farewell run.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2018 10:20 PM

I think Suzuki and KES are going to win the gauntlet and the six-man belts.

Evil Vito 12-31-2018 10:22 PM

Very possible, although admittedly the 6-Man belts are completely useless.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2018 10:36 PM

Oh yeah, no doubt.

Evil Vito 12-31-2018 11:37 PM

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"Tanahashi wrapped his knee a used a cortisone shot!" :lol:

mike adamle 01-01-2019 06:50 AM

The more I think about it the more I don't understand why they have Cody vs. Juice Robinson on the main show and Minoru Suzuki is on the pre-show. Could easily do Cody vs. Suzuki or a 3 way with them. Suzuki-gun has more than enough people to replace Minoru in the gauntlet. I mean there's only so many spots on the card, but with the reactions this guy gets I don't understand how he doesn't have one of those spots.

Ultra Mantis 01-01-2019 07:53 AM

Anyone could win the gauntlet really, but supposing the 6 man tag is happening at New Years Dash I could see Makabe / Yano / Taguchi or CHAOS taking it and something happening there. The Elite guys are possible but their future is up in the air. Suzuki's team (along with Cobb / Finlay / formerly Elgin) are all going in pissed at Chuck Taylor for his chair shot antics and that seems to be leading somewhere. They were specifically teasing Suzuki wanting to murder Chuck.

Ultra Mantis 01-01-2019 08:01 AM

The Cody / Juice singles seems to be a redemption thing since Cody debuted at WK and easily beat Juice. It makes sense, but meh.

Suzuki's fall down the card could be totally by design, Taichi has shown insubordination ever since he moved up to Heavy, He's especially pissed off that he keeps getting left off the big shows.

After the Taichi / ZSJ vs Suzuki / Iizuka match in Tag League, ZSJ said that he has his eyes on the throne and Suzuki's time is nearly up. This time next year we could be seeing Zack vs Suzuki as a marquee WK match,

Fignuts 01-01-2019 09:08 PM

That Kenny’s Quest thing is amazing.

Evil Vito 01-08-2019 11:25 AM

I knew he was in his 50s but didn't realize that Takashi Iizuka was a lifer who has been with the company for 33 years. That's insane. And he still looks absolutely terrifying.

Having said that, he's been Suzuki-gun's designated fall guy for the two years I've been watching New Japan so I can see why he's ready to call it a career. Will miss seeing him run around the arena.

Ultra Mantis 01-08-2019 05:11 PM

I was sat right next to the aisle where Iizuka walked past in SSE:UK, he looked like he was having the time of his life doing that gimmick. Dude is also in much better shape than he looks on TV.

Hilarious spot too where he bit Gedo and everyone boo'd, Yano made the save and got bit, everyone boo'd, YOSHI-HASHI then makes the save and gets bit and the crowd popped huge. Iizuka was laughing his ass off.

Evil Vito 01-09-2019 04:46 PM

Iizuka reinvented himself so many times, too - he was a great technical, even shoot style worker, and even had a match in WCW teaming with Tatsumi Fujinami against the Steiners in '92, reinvented himself as a hardcore worker in the mid-00s, and then more recently as a kind of pastiche of that gimmick as part of Suzuki-Gun. One of those wonderful midcard mainstay type careers; never set the world alight, but a real reliable hand.

That he's held the tag titles with Riki Choshu and with Toru Yano is wonderful.

Emperor Smeat 02-11-2019 04:28 AM

Kota Ibushi just announced he's staying in NJPW for the foreseeable future and will compete in this year's New Japan Cup. Made the announcement during today's New Beginning event.

There were some rumors he might jump to AEW once his concussion cleared up but now its not going to happen any time soon.

Emperor Smeat 02-11-2019 06:19 AM

White vs Tanahashi for the IWGP belt at New Beginning was amazing.

SPOILER: show
BREATH WITH THE SWITCHBLADE. NEW CHAMP.

Era of the Knife Pervert begins

Jordan 02-11-2019 09:37 AM

Wow! Didn't see that coming. I really wanted to see Okada/Tana for IWGP at MSG. :(

Innovator 02-11-2019 10:52 AM

Gotta get that next gajin ready now that Kenny is gone

Volare 02-11-2019 11:02 AM

I was kinda shocked to wake up to this news. I mean hell since Jay beat Kenny before (US Title) why not do it again? Making Jay the only man in NJPW to never lose a singles vs Kenny, and he would've had "leverage" against Okada and Tana later.

Ultra Mantis 02-11-2019 04:09 PM

I didn't like this decision at first, Jay White doesn't really click for me as a main event talent, when I saw him live (Strong Style Evolved vs Kyle Fletcher) everything he did looked good but at the same time I was incredibly bored watching his match.

However, that was a fantastic match and the pervert has had a rocket strapped to him for 12 months, its so Gedo to go all the way and put the belt on him. I'm not so interested in Jay White being champion, but I am very interested in what happens now he is. Especially with Ibushi reportedly ACTUALLY signing a full time contract. Naito is also simmering in the background. Suzuki could make a believable challenger again. They could go somewhere fresh with Goto / Ishii.

Also of interest, EVIL planted the seeds for Okada and Tana challenging for the tag team titles and there's a very good possibility that match is going to happen at MSG. That could be a hell of a rub for EVIL and SANADA, while it could also take us down a (albeit long and winding) path to the Aces vs Golden Lovers for the tag titles later in the year. Tanahashi not being world champion is actually a clearer path, especially if he's next in line to be working a Jericho program.

Jordan 02-11-2019 04:16 PM

Goost post Mantis.


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