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ClockShot 12-22-2010 04:25 PM

The guy convicted in the Nick Adenhart death gets 51 years to life.

SlickyTrickyDamon 12-23-2010 12:35 AM

Sox picked up another RP: Bobby Jenks. Wow!

SlickyTrickyDamon 12-23-2010 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3366105)
The guy convicted in the Nick Adenhart death gets 51 years to life.

How old is he?

Aguakate 12-23-2010 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 3366538)
Sox picked up another RP: Bobby Jenks. Wow!

I'm REALLY liking the Red Sox.

That Red Sox vs Phillies World Series is going to be awesome.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-23-2010 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3366578)
I'm REALLY liking the Red Sox.

That Red Sox vs Phillies World Series is going to be awesome.

Aren't you a Yankees fan?

YOUR Hero 12-23-2010 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 3366540)
How old is he?

mid 20's

He has a history of felony DUIs

Aguakate 12-23-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardkore Kidd J (Post 3366716)
Aren't you a Yankees fan?

No. My favorite team is the Chicago Cubs, but we all know they're going nowhere this year.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-23-2010 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3366774)
No. My favorite team is the Chicago Cubs, but we all know they're going nowhere this year.

Ahhhhh well you never know. Let's see if all the Cubs needed is a new manager. I mean let's look at the O'S and how well their second half was because they changed managers. This is baseball anything can happen.

But, yeah with the Cards hitting and now Greinke on the Brewers the Cubs are gonna have a real hard time staying in second or third.

But, like I said anything can happen. With the Mariners off season they had last year I thought they'd be shoo in's to be in at least second place. If everyone stays healthy on the Phillies and the Red Sox it is going to be a tough ride.

Droford 12-23-2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3366774)
No. My favorite team is the Chicago Cubs, but we all know they're going nowhere this year.


http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/show...408-245417.jpg

My doppleganger will lead them to the World Series Championship!

or not, for the 103rd straight year.

Aguakate 12-23-2010 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 3366792)
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/show...408-245417.jpg

My doppleganger will lead them to the World Series Championship!

or not, for the 103rd straight year.

I still don't understand how this guy beat Ryne Sandberg for the job as Cubs Manager. There's GOT to be something else. Maybe Jim Hendry just doesn't like Sandberg or something. It boggles my mind. If you're going to rebuild, it doesn't matter if it's with Sandberg, or the bald version of Gary Busey...so why not give it to Ryno?

Supreme Olajuwon 12-23-2010 12:58 PM

Quade drinks vanilla coke. That's gotta be worth a couple karma points.

Innovator 12-23-2010 03:06 PM

INNO FACT: Inno's high school a cappella group sang at the opening of Vanilla Coke.

ClockShot 12-26-2010 02:27 PM

Nationals are out of the Brandon Webb sweepstakes. It's down to the Rangers and a NL Central team not named the Cubs.

parkmania 12-26-2010 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3369754)
Nationals are out of the Brandon Webb sweepstakes. It's down to the Rangers and a NL Central team not named the Cubs.

Well, it's surely not the Pirates. B-Webb actually has some talent left in his body.

ClockShot 12-26-2010 08:33 PM

Brandon Webb to the Rangers. 1-year deal pending physical. The Reds were the mystery team all along.

Blue Jays and Octavio Dotel are close to a 1-year deal.

Supreme Olajuwon 12-26-2010 09:06 PM

DANG

Aguakate 12-27-2010 02:27 AM

IDK if pitching in Arlington is the best thing for a pitcher trying to make it back from injury.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-27-2010 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3370332)
IDK if pitching in Arlington is the best thing for a pitcher trying to make it back from injury.

With some pitchers you gotta take a chance and plus it's only a 1 year contract.

dablackguy 12-27-2010 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardkore Kidd J (Post 3370509)
With some pitchers you gotta take a chance and plus it's only a 1 year contract.


That and he had that big sinker when he was in Arizona. If he can get that back, he shouldn't have too much to worry about ballpark wise.

screech 12-28-2010 10:26 AM

Takashi Saito to the Brewers, one year deal. His fourth team in as many seasons.

J.C. Romero stays with the Phillies, also a one year deal.

Emperor Smeat 12-30-2010 12:03 AM

Angels only team left going after Adrian Beltre since the Rangers bailed out due to asking price of 5-year $85 million and the need to move Michael Young to DH spot or trade him. The Angels could get Beltre cheap if nobody else joins and a few more weeks pass by to lower his value.

11 teams in the bidding war for Brian Fuentes with the asking price of at least 3-years $15 million. The Blue Jays, Rays, Rockies, Mariners, Twins, Pirates, Phillies, Brewers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets all are in the race to get him.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-30-2010 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 3373841)
Angels only team left going after Adrian Beltre since the Rangers bailed out due to asking price of 5-year $85 million and the need to move Michael Young to DH spot or trade him. The Angels could get Beltre cheap if nobody else joins and a few more weeks pass by to lower his value.

11 teams in the bidding war for Brian Fuentes with the asking price of at least 3-years $15 million. The Blue Jays, Rays, Rockies, Mariners, Twins, Pirates, Phillies, Brewers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets all are in the race to get him.

If the Red Sox get Fuentes then Papelbon is gone, sooner. I mean you guys all ready have Jenks being the 8th inning guy. I don't think Fuentes would settle for anything less then an 8th inning guy. And switching the 8th inning between Fuentes and Jenks might get a bit dicey. So if the Red Sox pick up Fuentes it is nearly 100 percent sure that they have a trade place for Paps.

I wonder what team will get him. The Jays did just get Dotel right? But would they consider him a closer? He strikes me more as an 8th inning guy. I think the Jays might go hard after him. But, I could say that about all of the teams here.

YOUR Hero 12-30-2010 10:15 AM

The Jays don't really need to lock up a closer for 3 years. They need to put money elsewhere and maybe find a closer within the organization. Personally a closer that eats up a lot of salary on a rebuilding team is wasteful.... but it's a sign of willing to spend some dough-ray-me, so I'm happy about that. AS LONG AS they don't turn around and say they can't sign or extend *player X* because of budget concerns.

YOUR Hero 12-30-2010 10:25 AM

Palmeiro still insists he never used steroids

Rafael Palmeiro is sticking to his story that a tainted vitamin shot caused his failed drug test five years ago, and hopes Hall of Fame voters will overlook the mistake and honor him for his 3,020 hits and 569 homers.

A week before the Baseball Writers Association of America announces its inductees to baseball’s Hall of Fame, Palmeiro told SI.com in a phone interview posted Wednesday that he never used performance-enhancing drugs in his 20-year career. As he asserted in 2005 after he was suspended for failing a test, Palmeiro again insisted the anabolic steroid was in a B-12 vial given to him by Baltimore Orioles teammate Miguel Tejada(notes).
[...]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...-palmeiro-peds

####

Finger wagging at Tejada
*tsk*

-surely this clears his name!

Supreme Olajuwon 12-30-2010 11:22 AM

Harmon Killebrew has esophageal cancer :(

Aguakate 12-30-2010 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero (Post 3374065)
Palmeiro still insists he never used steroids

Rafael Palmeiro is sticking to his story that a tainted vitamin shot caused his failed drug test five years ago, and hopes Hall of Fame voters will overlook the mistake and honor him for his 3,020 hits and 569 homers.

A week before the Baseball Writers Association of America announces its inductees to baseball’s Hall of Fame, Palmeiro told SI.com in a phone interview posted Wednesday that he never used performance-enhancing drugs in his 20-year career. As he asserted in 2005 after he was suspended for failing a test, Palmeiro again insisted the anabolic steroid was in a B-12 vial given to him by Baltimore Orioles teammate Miguel Tejada(notes).
[...]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...-palmeiro-peds

####

Finger wagging at Tejada
*tsk*

-surely this clears his name!

You never know with those guys from the 90's and early 2000's...there's no way to know who was clean and who wasn't. I have a tough time believing Rafael Palmerio knowingly took Steroids, but that's just me.

Anyway, whether you take Steroids or not, being able to hit a 95MPH Fastball 400 Feet, or a Breaking Curve to the opposite field, takes skill, hand eye coordination, and if any of us took Steroids, it doesn't mean we will be able to go to the Major Leagues and hit 40 Home Runs.

So I believe they should vote in the guys who have the numbers, and leave it at that. What are you going to do...

parkmania 12-30-2010 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 3373841)
11 teams in the bidding war for Brian Fuentes with the asking price of at least 3-years $15 million. The... Pirates... are in the race to get him.

LMFAO! Sure they are. I've got a bridge to sell you if you believe that.

Evil Vito 12-30-2010 04:19 PM

<font color=goldenrod>If Fuentes' price drops down to say 2 years, $10 million I'd LOVE for the Mets to jump in. Parnell-Fuentes-K-Rod would be a decent late inning punch.

Even better - they could give Fuentes a few chances to close out games and keep K-Rod from getting that 55 games finished option from vesting. I'm pretty sure the Players Association is gonna file a grievance if that option doesn't vest, so the Mets would need a really good excuse.</font>

Emperor Smeat 12-30-2010 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 (Post 3374389)
<font color=goldenrod>If Fuentes' price drops down to say 2 years, $10 million I'd LOVE for the Mets to jump in. Parnell-Fuentes-K-Rod would be a decent late inning punch.

Even better - they could give Fuentes a few chances to close out games and keep K-Rod from getting that 55 games finished option from vesting. I'm pretty sure the Players Association is gonna file a grievance if that option doesn't vest, so the Mets would need a really good excuse.</font>

I doubt he's going to drop either in years or price since he wants a 3-year deal and all those teams in the hunt means good news to his agent since he's going to go well over $5 million per year in the original request.

I'd be more worried about the Yankees boosting his price more than the Phillies since its been pretty disappointing off-season and no way they let the other New York team have the media focus and a "win" in free agency for a player.

YOUR Hero 12-31-2010 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3374165)
You never know with those guys from the 90's and early 2000's...there's no way to know who was clean and who wasn't. I have a tough time believing Rafael Palmerio knowingly took Steroids, but that's just me.

Anyway, whether you take Steroids or not, being able to hit a 95MPH Fastball 400 Feet, or a Breaking Curve to the opposite field, takes skill, hand eye coordination, and if any of us took Steroids, it doesn't mean we will be able to go to the Major Leagues and hit 40 Home Runs.

So I believe they should vote in the guys who have the numbers, and leave it at that. What are you going to do...

You make it sound so black and white.

You leave it how it helps recover from injuries quicker, builds muscle just to name a couple things.

Guy that already have baseball skills are able with 'drugs' to take themselves to a higher level, play longer, recover faster. Those are advantages based not on God given gifts but on chemicals.

just saying...

Supreme Olajuwon 12-31-2010 02:00 PM

If steroids didn't help, people wouldn't use them.

If they weren't a problem, they wouldn't be illegal.

Evil Vito 12-31-2010 02:14 PM

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/12/29/j...is-hall-voter/

<font color=goldenrod>It disgusts me that douchebags like this are allowed to vote for the HOF.

"Yeah I don't know that he did steroids and there's no evidence that he did, but I'm not gonna vote for him anyway!"

That's almost as bad as the assholes who send in blank ballots every year to prevent there being a unanimous HOFer.</font>

Aguakate 12-31-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero (Post 3375213)
You make it sound so black and white.

You leave it how it helps recover from injuries quicker, builds muscle just to name a couple things.

Guy that already have baseball skills are able with 'drugs' to take themselves to a higher level, play longer, recover faster. Those are advantages based not on God given gifts but on chemicals.

just saying...

You mention, the guy has to have the baseball skills in the first place.

If it was all about the drugs, Arnold Schwarzenegger could've played in the Majors and hit 50 Home Runs.

ClockShot 12-31-2010 06:52 PM

A few teams just made some moves.

O's and Derrek Lee agree to a 1-year deal worth about $7.5 - $8 mil.

Hideki Okajima goes back to Boston on a 1-year deal.

Nationals offer Adam LaRoche a 2-year deal after the O's picked Derrek Lee.

Droford 12-31-2010 09:30 PM

The 1 year deal for Lee to me means the Os are gonna go hard after Fielder next offseason.

Hardkore Kidd J 12-31-2010 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 3375511)
The 1 year deal for Lee to me means the Os are gonna go hard after Fielder next offseason.

What makes you think it's Fielder and not Pujols? Pujols would be a equally good guy to have short term at least.

Aguakate 01-01-2011 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 3375511)
The 1 year deal for Lee to me means the Os are gonna go hard after Fielder next offseason.

I am REALLY liking the Orioles. I'm not saying they're going to win the AL East, but I believe they can finish above .500.

screech 01-01-2011 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 (Post 3375244)
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/12/29/j...is-hall-voter/

<font color=goldenrod>It disgusts me that douchebags like this are allowed to vote for the HOF.

"Yeah I don't know that he did steroids and there's no evidence that he did, but I'm not gonna vote for him anyway!"

That's almost as bad as the assholes who send in blank ballots every year to prevent there being a unanimous HOFer.</font>

That pissed me off too. And this:

Quote:

...This is a Hall of Fame vote. I don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt in order to cast a vote for any candidate in either direction. I could refuse to vote for someone because I didn't like him personally, though I think that would be wrong. I could refuse to vote for somebody based on racial or ethnic or religious grounds, though I think that would be despicable. I could withhold a vote because I don't want people in the Hall of Fame who have blue eyes, or owned cats, or ever played on a Texas team. It's my vote, and the only standards to which I am beholden are my own.
Made him sound like even more of a jerk.

screech 01-01-2011 01:52 AM

Quote:

But it's the world in which we voters and Bagwell and his fellow Hall candidates now live -- a world of the cheaters' creation. If Bagwell's upset about it, and if he truly is innocent, then he has my apology, but I'd also advise him to seek one from McGwire and Palmeiro and all of his peers and contemporaries who decided they had to cheat and break the law in order to play baseball better.
Makes it seem like he is going to point the finger (or is already doing it) at players who took steroids if Bagwell doesn't make the Hall. Unreal.

Aguakate 01-01-2011 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 3375601)
That pissed me off too. And this:



Made him sound like even more of a jerk.

Writers irk me. They think they know it all. They haven't played in the MLB yet they think they know what it takes to be a Hall of Famer.

I think the only people who should get to vote for who gets in the HOF should be those IN the HOF. I would have the Hall of Famers vote, since they know what it takes to be a HOF'er, and see things from a different perspective...that of a player.

screech 01-01-2011 01:52 AM

I totally want Jeff Bagwell in the Hall, by the way.

Just sayin...

Emperor Smeat 01-01-2011 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3375604)
Writers irk me. They think they know it all. They haven't played in the MLB yet they think they know what it takes to be a Hall of Famer.

I think the only people who should get to vote for who gets in the HOF should be those IN the HOF. I would have the Hall of Famers vote, since they know what it takes to be a HOF'er, and see things from a different perspective...that of a player.

If I remember correctly, the idea behind the veterans committee was to try to get players into the Hall that the writers either ignored or forgot about.

The big problem was the veterans committee is even more stingy in voting since a lot of them don't want to expand the membership or only cared about themselves once they actually got inducted.

Aguakate 01-01-2011 02:03 AM

What qualifications must a writer have in order to have a vote? I know some writers vote, others don't.

Emperor Smeat 01-01-2011 02:23 AM

Need to be part of the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA) for 10 years as the minimum requirement and its possible to lose the ability to vote if the employer is upset at a writer or doesn't want to be involved in the BBWAA or Hall of Fame.

The writer himself/herself also has to be part of an approved list of companies and newspapers to be eligible as well. Also have to be at a certain number of games each year in person as part of reporter part of the requirement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basebal...ion_of_America

I think it has to be 10 years straight but doesn't have to be about the same team or same company for a writer to be eligible.

Aguakate 01-01-2011 02:26 AM

No writer should vote for who gets into the HOF. I don't think it's fair. I'm still upset Roberto Alomar didn't make it last year. It should be up to the players already in the HOF.

Triple Naitch 01-01-2011 10:13 AM

It's douchebags like that who try to make themselves bigger than the players.

YOUR Hero 01-01-2011 11:38 AM

Lee is one player that would have filled a need in Toronto. I was hoping the Jays were in talkes with Lee is silence.

Aguakate 01-01-2011 01:34 PM

The Jays should sign Carlos Delgado once he is healthy again. It could be to a Minor League contract or whatever.

YOUR Hero 01-01-2011 02:09 PM

or Jose Canseco!

Aguakate 01-01-2011 02:13 PM

Jose Canseco is in talks with the Puerto Rico Baseball League about coming down here and playing.

YOUR Hero 01-01-2011 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3375317)
You mention, the guy has to have the baseball skills in the first place.

If it was all about the drugs, Arnold Schwarzenegger could've played in the Majors and hit 50 Home Runs.

of course it's not all about the drugs. no one has ever in the history of intelligence argued it was.

Aguakate 01-01-2011 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero (Post 3376076)
of course it's not all about the drugs. no one has ever in the history of intelligence argued it was.

You'd be surprised at how much "power" some people will give to Steroids.

Droford 01-01-2011 10:25 PM

fangraphs is predicting the Os upgraded lineup will produce 5 runs a game (800 runs total) this year, up from 3.3 last year. Only two AL Teams scored 800 runs last year, and unfortunately they were both in the AL East.

Vox Populi 01-02-2011 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardkore Kidd J (Post 3375528)
What makes you think it's Fielder and not Pujols?

Probably due to the fact that Albert Pujols is going to be buried in some sort of St. Louis Cardinals memorabilia. Few and far between are the athletes in this day and age that will be borne to and die with the same franchise, but he's pretty clearly one of the few.

Hardkore Kidd J 01-02-2011 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vox Populi (Post 3376615)
Probably due to the fact that Albert Pujols is going to be buried in some sort of St. Louis Cardinals memorabilia. Few and far between are the athletes in this day and age that will be borne to and die with the same franchise, but he's pretty clearly one of the few.


Jeter and Mariano are probably some of that few.

Droford 01-02-2011 12:03 PM

Os reliever Alfredo Simon main suspect in shooting

way to start 2011..ugh

YOUR Hero 01-02-2011 12:21 PM

main suspect in killing, not just shooting.

DaveWadding 01-02-2011 01:00 PM

Wow, Alfredo Simon actually blew someone away.

Supreme Olajuwon 01-02-2011 01:18 PM

If only he had that kind of accuracy with a breaking ball.

Hardkore Kidd J 01-03-2011 06:03 AM

Wow, I never expected to hear this. I'm kinda shocked.

Emperor Smeat 01-03-2011 04:05 PM

Adrian Beltre close to a deal with Texas since Oakland dropped out and Angels lowered its interest in him. The deal is expected between a 5-6 year and $90-$96 million range.

If Rangers get Beltre, Young most likely gets traded if he agrees to waive his no trade clause. Neither Rangers nor Young feel he would fit in their DH spot.

Evil Vito 01-03-2011 07:37 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Mets sign Chris Capuano and Taylor Buccholz to 1-year contracts.

No idea what they are getting paid but it can't be much. Fine by me, both are low risk, high reward bullpen picks (maybe even starting for Capuano).

Hope they still go after Chris Young though.</font>

screech 01-03-2011 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 3378272)

If Rangers get Beltre, Young most likely gets traded if he agrees to waive his no trade clause. Neither Rangers nor Young feel he would fit in their DH spot.

Do you think Beltre would DH if it meant keeping Young on the team?

YOUR Hero 01-03-2011 08:27 PM

Young might go to 1st base

YOUR Hero 01-03-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 3378552)
Do you think Beltre would DH if it meant keeping Young on the team?

one thing that can't be argued is Adrian's defensive ability. GG

Emperor Smeat 01-03-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screech (Post 3378552)
Do you think Beltre would DH if it meant keeping Young on the team?

I don't think Beltre would be a good fit for a DH spot and Rangers have shown no intention to move him there since all the talk has been about Young possibly being moved as a DH.

Like Your Hero has said, Rangers are trying to get him for a defense upgrade more than power or offense upgrade. Rangers might end up just keeping Young but they want to see if there is any real interest for Young that benefits the Rangers enough to trade him.

Triple Naitch 01-03-2011 08:43 PM

I could easily see Young going back to Toronto for a catching prospect.

screech 01-03-2011 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero (Post 3378622)
one thing that can't be argued is Adrian's defensive ability. GG

I know, but if the Rangers wanted to keep both of them it could be an option. Putting Young at first would probably be a better plan, though if he doesn't get shipped somewhere else.

Skippord 01-03-2011 10:17 PM

Carlos Gonzalez getting close to a 7 year contract to stay here

:heart:

Supreme Olajuwon 01-03-2011 10:59 PM

Tulowitzki and Cargo are gonna get sick of each other by 2020.

Amazing offseason for Colorado's future.

Skippord 01-03-2011 11:10 PM

I'm fairly certain Dan O' Dowd is some sort of wizard

Aguakate 01-04-2011 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3378927)
Tulowitzki and Cargo are gonna get sick of each other by 2020.

Amazing offseason for Colorado's future.

Colorado's track record when giving players big money isn't great.

Emperor Smeat 01-05-2011 02:12 AM

Unless something drastic happens today when Beltre arrives to sign the contract, Rangers get Beltre on a 6-year, $96 million deal with the last year being an option year at $16 million. Since Beltre was a restricted FA, Red Sox get a 1st Round draft pick from the Rangers.

Dan Uggla agrees to 5-year $62 million extension deal with the Braves.

Aguakate 01-05-2011 02:19 AM

Today all us Puerto Ricans SHOULD get the news that our fellow countryman, Roberto Alomar, has been elected to the Hall of Fame.

I'm guessing Blyleven goes in too.

ClockShot 01-05-2011 07:48 AM

Yankees looking at Jeremy Bonderman.

Adam LaRoche to the Nationals. 2-years, $15 mil. with an option for a 3rd.

Supreme Olajuwon 01-05-2011 08:09 AM

Blue Jays sign Ocavio Dotel. That's his 11th team in 12 seasons.

Also signed Chad Codero to a minor league deal.

Both positive moves for Toronto who just can't ever seem to find a reliable closer.

Supreme Olajuwon 01-05-2011 08:17 AM

Reds are looking hard at Scott Podsednik, which is fine with me because I'm assuming Scott Podsednik's wife would come too as part of a package deal.

Evil Vito 01-05-2011 09:34 AM

<font color=goldenrod>Just want the Mets to lock up Chris Young and then probably call it an offseason. Maybe get either Scott Podsednik or Fred Lewis, but if that doesn't happen they have enough backup OF options anyway.</font>

Supreme Olajuwon 01-05-2011 10:12 AM

Lol someone hacked the BBWAA website last night.

My guess is it was Alan Trammell. Or maybe Dave Parker. Cobra.

Evil Vito 01-05-2011 02:22 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Alomar and Blyleven are in the HOF.

Jeff Bagwell was picked on only 41% of ballots, which is ridiculous. Gotta figure he'll get in eventually.

Mark McGwire was picked on 19%, Rafael Palmeiro on 11%. I figured many of the steroid guys would get in eventually but now I have my doubts about the writers ever allowing them in.

Juan Gonzalez - 5.4%

Barry Larkin - 62%

Kevin Brown didn't get enough votes to stay on the ballot at all.

Zero votes (aka why the fuck are they even on the ballot?):
Raul Mondesi
Kirk Rueter
Charles Johnson
Bobby Higginson
Lenny Harris
Carlos Baerga

BJ Surhoff also got 1 pity vote.</font>

Evil Vito 01-05-2011 02:34 PM

<font color=goldenrod>The fact that Bagwell, a guy with no steroid implications outside of the fact that he happened to play in the era, only got 41% of the votes - leads me to believe that Mike Piazza is going to be screwed in his first elibible year in 2013.

In fact, the 2013 ballot is going to be fucking crazy - Clemens, Bonds, Sosa, Piazza, Schilling, Biggio. Dare I say only Biggio is a first ballot lock due to the 3,000 hits. Schilling may get in on the first try due to postseason.

Whatever. Fuck the writers.</font>

Evil Vito 01-05-2011 02:43 PM

<font color=goldenrod>John Franco - 424 saves. Only on 4.6% of the ballots so he's gone.

Christ. He's more of a Hall of Very Good type guy, but still no reason he should have been one-and-done.</font>

Vox Populi 01-05-2011 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 (Post 3380851)
<font color=goldenrod>The fact that Bagwell, a guy with no steroid implications outside of the fact that he happened to play in the era, only got 41% of the votes - leads me to believe that Mike Piazza is going to be screwed in his first elibible year in 2013.
</font>

Nah. Piazza was the greatest offensive catcher of all time. While Bagwell got screwed pretty royally here today, he doesn't have any such claim that makes him a first ballot lock.

ClockShot 01-05-2011 03:00 PM

Blyleven will probably shut up now. Always bitched and moaned each year after they announced who was going in.

Looks like Larkin will make it in next season

Vox Populi 01-05-2011 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3380886)
Blyleven will probably shut up now. Always bitched and moaned each year after they announced who was going in.

I'm actually going to miss that a bit, because at times he came off genuinely crazy and it always made for some great soundbytes.

Aguakate 01-05-2011 03:13 PM

Roberto Alomar made it, baby...Puerto Rico is in PARTY-MODE! We only have two Hall of Famers, Orlando Cepeda and Roberto Clemente...so now we have a third.

Also, I knew Blyleven would get in.

About Bagwell, voters have to understand it's not their job to make "statements". They're there to look at the statistics, and vote. If they want to make a "statement", then they should call somebody or write an email. It's stupid.

Also, how Fred McGriff doesn't get more support sucks, too.

Vox Populi 01-05-2011 03:44 PM

Absolute dark horse candidate with no real chance of getting in here, but how is it that some Mets fan somewhere hasn't at least come up with a pamphlet trumpeting John Franco's credentials? His closest career comparison is Lee Smith, who always gets people shouting their support for him.

Hanso Amore 01-05-2011 05:58 PM

Beltre gets 6 years and 96 million from Texas.


Salaries are out of control. Last contract Beltre got - after a 48 HR year was about 40 millions less.

Vox Populi 01-05-2011 06:37 PM

5 years 80 million - there's a vesting option for a 6th year.

The deal with Seattle was 5 years, 64 million.

OssMan 01-05-2011 07:03 PM

Raul Mongedesi

Triple Naitch 01-05-2011 07:23 PM

Bagwell isn't a first ballot hall of famer anyway, but he deserves to make it eventually. Blyleven started with only 12% of the vote, so it seems Larkin and Bagwell will get in soon enough. Especially considering next year's class is pretty wekasauce.

Loose Cannon 01-05-2011 09:36 PM

Roberto Alamor Starting Lineup gets added to my HOF SLU shelf.

Vox Populi 01-05-2011 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Naitch (Post 3381331)
Bagwell isn't a first ballot hall of famer anyway.

Can't for the life of me see why not:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...agweje01.shtml

If measured by WAR, a very good statistical device in debates such as this, the only more productive offensive player than Bagwell over the course of his career was Barry Bonds. Bagwell doesn't have so much as a single legitimate juicing allegation hanging over his head. Batted nearly .300 for his career. He's got the 40th highest on base percentage in the history of baseball, the 35th highest slugging percentage, the 34th most home runs and the 21st highest OPS, all of which ranks him well ahead of literally dozens of those who have already been enshrined. Also, while it's a bit less important, it's worth noting that no one has yet been enshrined to the HOF as an Astro; this guy clearly deserves to be the first.

I'm just struggling to find any of these reasons that exist amongst the voters as to why he's not a first ballot HOFer. Far worse have gotten in their first time out.

MVP 01-05-2011 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vox Populi (Post 3381235)
5 years 80 million - there's a vesting option for a 6th year.

The deal with Seattle was 5 years, 64 million.

This is just baffling considering Beltre was 26 when he came off that monster season in LA. It shows how the free agent market fluctuates each offseason since he can land an even larger contract when he's probably past the peak of his career.

Emperor Smeat 01-05-2011 10:32 PM

I think the voters are going to limit 1st time inductees as a way to keep part of the Hall special since the last few votes involved players from the steroid era.

Last year Roberto Alomar was punished from being a first ballot winner due to playing during the era and the excuse of an off-field issue from the 1990s as a reason why.

Its a stupid reason but the last few years when ESPN and other places gets articles on why people voted a certain way, it sort of hinted at the voters believing in that mentality now.

MVP 01-05-2011 10:33 PM

FUN FACT: I share a birthday with Adrian Beltre

Hanso Amore 01-05-2011 10:54 PM

Bagwell was never even one of the 5 best players in the league at any point in his career.

I think he is a HOFer, but not a sure 1st ballot player. All of your reasons why he is, are actually just signs of his 2nd tier greatness.

HOLY BALLS! 35th HIGHEST SLUGGING! Thats a stat of someone in the hall, but not someone that must be.

McLegend 01-06-2011 01:25 AM

If you aren't a first ballot Hall of Famer you shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. The whole thing doesn't make sense.

Aguakate 01-06-2011 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 3381924)
If you aren't a first ballot Hall of Famer you shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. The whole thing doesn't make sense.

Right...it's not like Blyleven picked up any more wins or strikeouts during these 14 years...

...and Alomar certainly didn't hit more Home Runs or get more hits from 2010 to 2011.

It's all these voters making stupid "statements" with their votes and stuff. The voting process is a joke.

Vox Populi 01-06-2011 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanso (Post 3381745)
Bagwell was never even one of the 5 best players in the league at any point in his career.

Well, except for that one year where he unanimously won the MVP award, the other seasons where he finished top 5, and several other seasons where statistically speaking he clearly should have but was penalized by voters for playing on a bad team.

Other than that, though, never.


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